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Drima Veeshaub
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:06:00 -
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There are hardly anyone on any time wanting to FC, since there's no reward for the hassles and FW is riddles with spies anyhow. Without competent FCs the militias are just people in ships waiting to get shot up by random pirates and the odd combo that are actually on voice together.
People just stop logging on and fleeting up.
There needs to be some kind of reward system in place for the FCs at least based on performance and approval rating from the people that fly with them.
Who cares about stinking medals and ranks? People want good fights. It's just not happening.
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Col Carter
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:08:00 -
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EVE is not the same as TV, where you can tune in and be entertained. It's a place where you make your entertainment. Same applies to command.
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Bobbeh
Minmatar Navy of Xoc
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Bobbeh on 29/10/2008 16:12:38 Hey man even when we get our fc's on the gallente won't come out to play... The few that do i commend, but for the most part the Caldari militia hunts blinky pirates asmuch or more than wartargets.
Agreed with above post... One bonus is if you do it well enough you get regular pilots to fleet with you. Members will join your corp, Better players will fleet with you, newer players will feel safer fleeting with you because of their lack of pvp experience. As well lets not forget the loot from good kills... if your a good fc and have a solid fleet they will let you have an equal or more portion of the loot
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:11:00 -
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I doubt this is on any priority list.
I think the next faction warfare addition is at least 6 months away.
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Drima Veeshaub
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Col Carter EVE is not the same as TV, where you can tune in and be entertained. It's a place where you make your entertainment. Same applies to command.
Ok so I got a golf peg and now I'm only short a whole set of clubs, some balls, a course and some stupid pants.
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Aprudena Gist
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:14:00 -
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its because factional warfare isn't anything other then blowing up or losing ships there is no real point to it. It doesn't matter who controls what space at all.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Drima Veeshaub
There needs to be some kind of reward system in place for the FCs at least based on performance and approval rating from the people that fly with them.
There is already such a reward system.
If you're a good FC, people think that you're awesome. Is there any better reward?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Drima Veeshaub
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin I doubt this is on any priority list.
I think the next faction warfare addition is at least 6 months away.
Like I said, it's dead, the main gallente FW system has a handful of people in it already and many of the dedicated corporations are leaving or have left already. No-one new is entering.
Phyrric Age more likely, talk it up much then fail to follow through.
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Drima Veeshaub
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Drima Veeshaub
There needs to be some kind of reward system in place for the FCs at least based on performance and approval rating from the people that fly with them.
There is already such a reward system.
If you're a good FC, people think that you're awesome. Is there any better reward?
Yes, a salary of sorts helping to keep the FCs in ships would be a better reward. Being a good FC in FW is damn hard seeing how infiltration is nothing you can even begin to ward against without defeating the whole purpose of the feature.
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CrayC
Gallente CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Drima Veeshaub Who cares about stinking medals and ranks? People want good fights. It's just not happening.
A LOT of people care, actually. Not everyone wants to fight all the time. I have flown with, or FC'd myself, numerous Gallente militia members that wanted to capture plexes, hoping to make a system vulnerable, all the while they were chatting with the rest of the fleet and looking forward to getting a promotion and the standing-increase that comes with it...
I left FW due to lack of rewards, will be back when they are in place and people are willing to do more than mindlessly X up in order to chase the enemy for hours without doing anything...
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Julius Rigel
House Rigel
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:22:00 -
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Quote: Faction Warfare Is Dead
Finally.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:24:00 -
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Dude on the internet said it's dead, so I guess it's dead
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Col Carter
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Col Carter on 29/10/2008 16:25:39
Originally by: Drima Veeshaub
Originally by: Col Carter EVE is not the same as TV, where you can tune in and be entertained. It's a place where you make your entertainment. Same applies to command.
Ok so I got a golf peg and now I'm only short a whole set of clubs, some balls, a course and some stupid pants.
If you don't have any balls it could become a problem indeed.
Now serious. This is EVE. Nobody is going to give you anything. You make it, or you take it.
Short of meat for the grinder? Recruit your own team and manage it. Short of FC's? Step up yourself. Train your meaty friends for the job. Short of targets? Seduce, lure, grief folks into going for it.
CCP created the arena and supplied the sand and a few paper tigers, up to players to fill the place and let the blood spill.
I'm not saying it's easy, but this place wasn't designed to be easy. Just don't lean out of the comfort chair only to say "hey guys, EVE sucks cause I ain't getting entertained by y'all".
Originally by: Winterblink Dude on the internet said it's dead, so I guess it's dead
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Rodai Draconi
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:25:00 -
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yes there are some improvements needed, Such as maybe fleet bonus's to militia members in your fleet according to your rank? But W.e
I fly for the caldari militia, we have 4-5 fc's and if there isnt one on line, we fleet up anyway and fight anyway. you dont need an fc in a fleet under 10, just someone to call primary and to coordinate.... i do it all the time in oms.
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Bobbeh
Minmatar Navy of Xoc
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:26:00 -
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yes there are some improvements needed, Such as maybe fleet bonus's to militia members in your fleet according to your rank? But W.e
I fly for the caldari militia, we have 4-5 fc's and if there isnt one on line, we fleet up anyway and fight anyway. you dont need an fc in a fleet under 10, just someone to call primary and to coordinate.... i do it all the time in oms.
sorry bout double post selected my alt accidentally
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:28:00 -
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Lots of potential scenarios for FW when the numbers drop there.
It might be make FW quite good for solo/small group PvP when all blobs are gone. ..or the pirates might be killing off the bottlenecks and thus things are back to what it was before FW.
It might be that more and more pirates join FW to use it for PvP that doesn't pull their sec status down, now that blobs are gone. ..or then again, they might not.
Either way, the key is to get rid of as many of the regular militia-corp guys out as possible, and get more corporations to join FW. So far FW has been pretty pointless as it's basicly just 0.0 fleet warfare and a huge isk sink, crowded with spies and people that try to trick their own milita into traps just for **** and giggles. Until that's sorted you're better off joining an Empire wardec corp for easy access PvP instead.
..but as Zulupark pointed out, CCP seems to be considering to let alliances in one day, and that might be exactly what FW needs. Yah more blobbabe, but it'll make it more attractive for roleplayers and 0.0-corporations to sign up.
Who knows. I personally see the NPC-milita corp as the major problem with FW in it's current shape, that needs to go, tbh. Players should be allowed to enter on a personal level, that'd allow people in NPC corps and in alliances to join FW.
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Col Carter
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:30:00 -
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Faction Warfare needs POS warfare imo.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Drima Veeshaub There are hardly anyone on any time wanting to FC, since there's no reward for the hassles and FW is riddles with spies anyhow. Without competent FCs the militias are just people in ships waiting to get shot up by random pirates and the odd combo that are actually on voice together.
People just stop logging on and fleeting up.
There needs to be some kind of reward system in place for the FCs at least based on performance and approval rating from the people that fly with them.
Who cares about stinking medals and ranks? People want good fights. It's just not happening.
CCP and it's game design team, in their infinite wisdom, decided to squander a great opportunity to develop something epic and far reaching and dumb it down to make an entry level farce of World of Warcraft's battlegrounds with an Eve haircut.
This is why nobody is participating in FW any longer.
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam. [Vid] I M M O R T A L
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Bobbeh
Minmatar Navy of Xoc
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:35:00 -
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Bunch of good points Mis, and yes fw will improve if alliances were let in, but then corps would be over powered, And still there would be no reason to capture space seeing as theres no reward for it in fw. Personally i think they should make the npc corp into an npc alliance that FW corps join when they enter fw. This would make Pos more plausable, as well give the militia the power to take 0.0 as an npc alliance then your really see some interesting dynamics.... 0.0 corps joining fw for the support of their state... N2m great for the roleplayers.
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Dark Soldat
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:37:00 -
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Quote: FW is dead
well that was quick.
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Drima Veeshaub
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:41:00 -
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First of all on the improvement list anyone with a negative sec status should be an open target to all militias in a warzone, -0.1 too bad, collateral damage, get everything sketchy looking off the gate!
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Bobbeh
Minmatar Navy of Xoc
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:45:00 -
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There was a thread a while ago trying to discuss closing the fw lowsec regions to non militia pilots let concord close the gates to militia only saying its a warzone and if you entered you were blinky cause you were in a warzone
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Shard Merchant
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Col Carter EVE is not the same as TV, where you can tune in and be entertained. It's a place where you make your entertainment. Same applies to command.
This.
When it boils down to it, FW is just a perpetual war that you can join and leave anytime you want.
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Drima Veeshaub
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Shard Merchant
Originally by: Col Carter EVE is not the same as TV, where you can tune in and be entertained. It's a place where you make your entertainment. Same applies to command.
This.
When it boils down to it, FW is just a perpetual war that you can join and leave anytime you want.
Fanboi much? The system is seriously flawed and people want to and do leave.
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Jac Straw
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:55:00 -
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Either do teh FC'ing yourself or set up a system where you/fleet pay the FC....
Seriously FC'ing isn't all that hard.....anyone, and yes I mean anyone can do it.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.10.29 16:57:00 -
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Yeah, it was fun for a while, but after some time it gets BORING.
Plexing is broke.
RP alliances should never be allowed to join. EVER. All they do is cause trouble and they get ****y at every little thing. The last thing they want to do is take orders from some "noob" who doesn't play the 0.0 game.
Taking systems should be more dynamic.
Rewards should be immediate.
Running missions should count torwards VP's.
Capping plexes should get you LP.
Frigs should not be able to tank a major plex solo, it should be suicide with out support.
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Jac Straw
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.10.29 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jac Straw on 29/10/2008 17:01:24 http://fwstats.eve-ic.net/
look at the Population Statistics prity static, who said its dead?
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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2008.10.29 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink Dude on the internet said it's dead, so I guess it's dead
Targeting the consensus on the following opinion. "Because there is no point." LOL like what you do outside of FW has a point? It's game, there is no point in anything you do. I guess missions have a point, make money. Same for mining. But anything PvP related there really is no point other than to...PvP!
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Bobbeh
Minmatar Navy of Xoc
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Posted - 2008.10.29 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard Yeah, it was fun for a while, but after some time it gets BORING.
Plexing is broke.
RP alliances should never be allowed to join. EVER. All they do is cause trouble and they get ****y at every little thing. The last thing they want to do is take orders from some "noob" who doesn't play the 0.0 game.
Taking systems should be more dynamic.
Rewards should be immediate.
Running missions should count torwards VP's.
Capping plexes should get you LP.
Frigs should not be able to tank a major plex solo, it should be suicide with out support.
I agree One idea was do not allow militia members to dock in stations in systems that arent occupied by their militia. They should add fast web frigs in major facilities to stop speedtanking.
There should more immediate rewards but more long term rewards aswell, maybe grant militia pos's reduction in fuel cost in their occupied systems and an increase in fuel cost if not occupied by their militia. Personally i think the neutrals should be kicked outa fw space, but i dont see it happening.
Victory Points have no use atm neither does rank, i think they should be given some value.... Rumor was individual, corp and militia points would be used like lp in militia, not sure how it would work at the militia level, but i could see individuals using vic points from kills missioning and plexing, to get fw specific items...
I dont think plex's should give you lp personally i think they should tie something into rank, the hirer your rank the better something or so on and so forth...
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Drima Veeshaub
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.10.29 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Highwind Cid
Originally by: Winterblink Dude on the internet said it's dead, so I guess it's dead
Targeting the consensus on the following opinion. "Because there is no point." LOL like what you do outside of FW has a point? It's game, there is no point in anything you do. I guess missions have a point, make money. Same for mining. But anything PvP related there really is no point other than to...PvP!
Point being people aren't doing it often enough, they just sit around waiting for a gang to form and listen to some noob cry about how he ran smack into the camp everyone had talked about the last 15 minutes.
Perhaps it's EVE Voice that needs some more advertising, it seems to be a novel concept to most.
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