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Yaba Yaba
Massively Profitable
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:01:00 -
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Hello,
I've made it my personal mission to try to catch as many botters as I can. As everyone knows, it takes a lot of time and effort catching them as they usually safe up when you enter local. However, so far I've taken out 3 Tengus in the last 2 weeks worth a total of 3.5+ bil.
With the first two tengus, I blew them up and reported them. However, the most recent tengu I took out, I sent a mail and made a proposal: They give me a sum of ISK, in return I don't report them and don't bother them again. No answer yet tho, so who knows.
I'm wondering if this is even allowed in game as I would be profiting from illegal activities. And if they were to catch the botter, (especially with the new dev blog out about botting), they may take the cash from me as it was originally from botting.
Not that I had any intentions of upholding my end of the bargain; I would still hunt them down and report them. But I'm just wondering if I'm putting my own account at risk if I were to receive a 'player donation' from a bot |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
161
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:03:00 -
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Yaba Yaba wrote: I'm wondering if this is even allowed in game as I would be profiting from illegal activities.
And that's the tread ladies and gentlemen... Good night! |
Nub Sauce
State War Academy Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:07:00 -
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You would be receiving the tainted ISK. Seems illegal to me.
Edit: And not just receiving it, but knowingly asking for it. Can't even claim ignorance. |
Zoloft Rx
Forged Prophets
13
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:07:00 -
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Yaba Yaba wrote:Hello,
I've made it my personal mission to try to catch as many botters as I can. As everyone knows, it takes a lot of time and effort catching them as they usually safe up when you enter local. However, so far I've taken out 3 Tengus in the last 2 weeks worth a total of 3.5+ bil.
With the first two tengus, I blew them up and reported them. However, the most recent tengu I took out, I sent a mail and made a proposal: They give me a sum of ISK, in return I don't report them and don't bother them again. No answer yet tho, so who knows.
I'm wondering if this is even allowed in game as I would be profiting from illegal activities. And if they were to catch the botter, (especially with the new dev blog out about botting), they may take the cash from me as it was originally from botting.
Not that I had any intentions of upholding my end of the bargain; I would still hunt them down and report them. But I'm just wondering if I'm putting my own account at risk if I were to receive a 'player donation' from a bot
Dirty money.
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
86
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:11:00 -
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How do you ransom a botter?
Since by definition, no one is at the controls, wouldn't this be a rather boring way to mess with a bot?
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
96
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:14:00 -
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I would cover your @$$. Not sure but I believe we are required to report any violations of the gameplay agreements. |
stoicfaux
910
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:14:00 -
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Just ask for ransom and/or protection money while making very indirect references to botting. Indirect references are hard to use as evidence against you, while the botter's guilty conscience will make the reference obvious.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
178
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:15:00 -
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Ultimately a question for CCP Sreegs, perhaps you should check out this thread and ask him there, as he is rather active in it at the moment. Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
89
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:35:00 -
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Black mail and Extortion are the back bones of politics in Eve.
BUT
Once his account gets banned, and they track all the ISK, you will get it taken away from you. ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious....
Butt Hurt about Harrasment? Read first GM post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread |
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group Ayn Sof Aur
63
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:39:00 -
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Report bot button... you did your part in eve. If ccp was worried about you getting isk, they would check it out and ban right away...
So what if you also turn some isk off the guy. As I said you did your part and reported him...
CCP is not going to take your isk |
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Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate EVE Animal Control
46
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:43:00 -
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Read ccp screegs new dev blog. Sounds like the isk you received from that would be taken away at least. Just to be on the "safe" side I wouldn't accept any isk from someone you know is botting and/or involved in RMT.
Good job on blowing up botters woot I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
165
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:43:00 -
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Way I see it, worst they can do is tempban you while they investigate, take the ISK you got off convicted botters, and leave it at that. Assuming you're not guilty of anything else. |
Xyrcaryn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:49:00 -
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Posting in "I'm just ransoming bots and definitely not RMTing" thread |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1450
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:01:00 -
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Not really sure it would matter since you should be reporting said bots and if they are dealt with, the money is removed by CCP which would include any money they sent to you as a ransom payment. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
46
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:05:00 -
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I ransomed a bitter to his guild once in UO. They paid to save their reputation. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
194
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:16:00 -
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How do you ransom a bot, that's the question.
Did they write that in to the macro? Pay 2 billion in ransom on certain cases? Ransoming an RMT player is just another transaction that counts as a legitimate way to do illegitimate things. I think the status Quo answer is to report them. |
Yaba Yaba
Massively Profitable
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:22:00 -
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Skydell wrote:How do you ransom a bot, that's the question.
Did they write that in to the macro? Pay 2 billion in ransom on certain cases? Ransoming an RMT player is just another transaction that counts as a legitimate way to do illegitimate things. I think the status Quo answer is to report them.
You send them a mail and hope that the operator reads it. Chances are it wont happen, but you never know. I've seen a few operators actually get in game and do stuff
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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group Ayn Sof Aur
63
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:23:00 -
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If ccp removes botted isk from your wallet they are going to have some major rage threads...
How does the op KNOW it is a bot?
Do we all need to make sure to not accept ANY isk ANY more?
After all how do you know ANY ransom is not botted isk?
stop failing people. |
Yaba Yaba
Massively Profitable
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:23:00 -
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Also, a tentative answer from the man himself:
CCP Sreegs wrote:Yaba Yaba wrote:Question, as per this topic: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=91174tl;dr: can you ransom botters (send a mail and hope they read it after you blow them up) under the premise that you won't report them or bother them again (but of course do both those things). Basically, scamming them for ISK on false premise (legal in EVE), but the ISK is tainted (illegal and might get taken away) I'll have to get back to you on that. I believe it would be fine but it's a hypothetical. Bots get dinged for isk generated and we're not looking at passing that on unless it's going bad places. |
Nub Sauce
State War Academy Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:36:00 -
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supersexysucker wrote:If ccp removes botted isk from your wallet they are going to have some major rage threads...
How does the op KNOW it is a bot?
Do we all need to make sure to not accept ANY isk ANY more?
After all how do you know ANY ransom is not botted isk?
stop failing people.
There is some obvious bot behavior that will give it away. Let's say you waste their mining ship, yet their pod still warps to and from a station/POS at regular intervals. Sure, there's an infinitely small chance that the player is just pretending to be a bot, but let's be real here.
There are plenty of other behaviors that give it away, as well. Entirely observable by the OP. |
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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group Ayn Sof Aur
63
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Posted - 2012.04.03 21:23:00 -
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The OP is not CCP
The bot is going to spend the isk
Why should the OP not get some because he saw the guy MAY have been a bot...
It is NOT the OP's job to care where the isk is coming from...
If the OP is using *legit* ingame mechs to get the isk... it is FINE for the OP...
CCP can not take that isk... |
Morph Eis
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:17:00 -
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A corp member of mine was given an official warning after attempting to ransom someone we caught flying a dramiel in a DED site while not appearing in local. We were reporting him anyway but hey if he wanted to give us ISK....
This was not just a bug either as he was seen doing it another day. Around the time of that whole drama where someone was outed as exploiting to kill anom botters too so I imagine it got patched successfully anyway.
Long story short its a grey area. Ive had people try to ransom me while mining and petitioned it only to recieve a "who cares" response. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
349
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Posted - 2012.04.03 23:10:00 -
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Yaba Yaba wrote:Hello,
I've made it my personal mission to try to catch as many botters as I can. As everyone knows, it takes a lot of time and effort catching them as they usually safe up when you enter local. However, so far I've taken out 3 Tengus in the last 2 weeks worth a total of 3.5+ bil.
With the first two tengus, I blew them up and reported them. However, the most recent tengu I took out, I sent a mail and made a proposal: They give me a sum of ISK, in return I don't report them and don't bother them again. No answer yet tho, so who knows.
I'm wondering if this is even allowed in game as I would be profiting from illegal activities. And if they were to catch the botter, (especially with the new dev blog out about botting), they may take the cash from me as it was originally from botting.
Not that I had any intentions of upholding my end of the bargain; I would still hunt them down and report them. But I'm just wondering if I'm putting my own account at risk if I were to receive a 'player donation' from a bot Might be legal, but you'd have to stop coming here and crowing about your altruistic efforts. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Plus 1
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.04.03 23:19:00 -
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supersexysucker wrote:The OP is not CCP
The bot is going to spend the isk
Why should the OP not get some because he saw the guy MAY have been a bot...
It is NOT the OP's job to care where the isk is coming from...
If the OP is using *legit* ingame mechs to get the isk... it is FINE for the OP...
CCP can not take that isk... CCP owns the ISK. They can take it if they want to. |
5n4keyes
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
11
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Posted - 2012.04.04 03:03:00 -
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How can you ransom a 'Bot', for it they respond then they probably arent a bot... |
ASuperVillain
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.04 03:52:00 -
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Take the money and report him anyway... duh |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
99
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Posted - 2012.04.04 04:22:00 -
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Recent news, it would be quite bad in my opinion to do so. If that is RMT money, who knows where it will get you. They will have to say sorry to prevent fake ransoming from becoming a way to launder isk. |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:48:00 -
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Yaba Yaba wrote:Hello,
I've made it my personal mission to try to catch as many botters as I can. As everyone knows, it takes a lot of time and effort catching them as they usually safe up when you enter local. However, so far I've taken out 3 Tengus in the last 2 weeks worth a total of 3.5+ bil.
With the first two tengus, I blew them up and reported them. However, the most recent tengu I took out, I sent a mail and made a proposal: They give me a sum of ISK, in return I don't report them and don't bother them again. No answer yet tho, so who knows.
I'm wondering if this is even allowed in game as I would be profiting from illegal activities. And if they were to catch the botter, (especially with the new dev blog out about botting), they may take the cash from me as it was originally from botting.
Not that I had any intentions of upholding my end of the bargain; I would still hunt them down and report them. But I'm just wondering if I'm putting my own account at risk if I were to receive a 'player donation' from a bot Did your mom drop you on your head when you were a baby? |
Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
57
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:53:00 -
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Cant believe only 1 other person said this and on the second page... take money... report anyways.. win win situation.... |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
291
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:03:00 -
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5n4keyes wrote:How can you ransom a 'Bot', for it they respond then they probably arent a bot...
How dense are you people? People still have to run the macros. You might not get a reply immediately, but eventually they have to rebuild the ship, start up the macro after DT, etc.
If they allow contact, they will see the mail eventually.
'Suspected' Botters are actually FAR more likely to pay ISK to be left alone. A) The ISK is 'easy money' because they earned it while asleep. B) More trouble to set them up to respond to suicide ganking in highsec - or a dedicated pursuer in nul... |
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