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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2012.04.04 01:36:00 -
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Dear CCP,
Please put a checkbox to enable/disable "Margin Trading" when I'm buying stuffs. This is getting annoying as I've got to bloody remember not to move around funds between wallets, less the buy order fails.
Yours sincerely, Sturm |
Brock Nelson
525
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Posted - 2012.04.04 01:43:00 -
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This..is exactly why I have not trained for it Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Sturmwolke
158
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Posted - 2012.04.04 03:29:00 -
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What ticks me off is that @#%$@% skill is always enabled with no option to turn it off on demand. There are some transactions where it's useful, but there are many others that's its a major annoyance/hindrance.
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
818
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Posted - 2012.04.04 04:32:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:What ticks me off is that @#%$@% skill is always enabled with no option to turn it off on demand. There are some transactions where it's useful, but there are many others that's its a major annoyance/hindrance.
EVEMon will tell you whether your character has enough ISK to cover. It will even alert you.
Or you could look at the in-game wallet...
A checkbox option on each order might be interesting though. |
David Forge
Forge Enterprises
101
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Posted - 2012.04.04 05:31:00 -
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The OP has a fair point, you should be able to choose. If I could go back in time I would untrain the skill entirely. |
Dennmoth Ferdier
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.04 09:07:00 -
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I actually tried petitioning for the removal of Margin Trading for this exact reason.
However, the GM replied that they are not "technically" able to remove a skill completely off a character, which I find difficult to believe.
This means we're basically stuck with the skill til the ends of time. I'd hate to neglect all the SP I have in trading for a new trading char that does not have margin trading trained... |
Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:06:00 -
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Do it CCP.
I haven't bothered trained this skill, thankfully. |
Shar Tegral
144
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:08:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Please put a checkbox to enable/disable "Margin Trading" when I'm buying stuffs. This is getting annoying as I've got to bloody remember not to move around funds between wallets, less the buy order fails. I previously tried to get this on the implementation agenda. I wish you luck with your attempt and will sign/support anything to help you out.
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Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
28
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:47:00 -
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Margin Trading is awesome for bursty high-volume trading. I am constantly over-subscribed.
Just keep an eye on your wallet and "Escrow: Remaining to cover". If you need an additional 4bil to cover and you only have 1.8bil in your wallet, you may want to stop spamming buy orders. |
Hexxx
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:08:00 -
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It's a great skill and I've never found any reason to even consider the idea of disabling it.
If you track what you're doing, it should never be a problem and only be a benefit. |
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Ravenesa
The Bastards The Bastards.
24
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:14:00 -
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Brock Nelson wrote:This..is exactly why I have not trained for it
you use it for the scamming power it provides? |
Brock Nelson
529
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:25:00 -
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Ravenesa wrote:Brock Nelson wrote:This..is exactly why I have not trained for it you use it for the scamming power it provides?
Shush you Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Nub Sauce
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:03:00 -
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I love the skill and don't even scam with it. Never had a problem as I always keep enough isk in the wallet to cover at least half of my orders. Most of my orders fill slowly so I don't need to worry about any of them cancelling before some more sales go through.
Leveraging isk to make even more isk = winning.
Though, I would have nothing against them putting in the option to turn it off as long as it doesn't add an extra clicks to keep it on. |
Kalipoli
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:02:00 -
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I would love to have the option to turn it off.
The skill is useful for traders but overall i have found it to be more of an annoyance when it comes to tracking the total cost of my orders and that i have to recalculate for incomplete orders i cancel.
It is overall an annoying skill and i wish i hadnt trained it if only for the sake of simplicity. although simplicity is not something EVE is known for. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
235
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:07:00 -
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Hexxx wrote:It's a great skill and I've never found any reason to even consider the idea of disabling it.
If you track what you're doing, it should never be a problem and only be a benefit.
Same here , used it a zillion times and never ever had a problem with it.Just keep an eye on your wallet , wich you also need to do if you don't have it trained so not like it's an efffort.
But then i also don't see a problem why it shouldn't be able to be turned off as appearantly some people do have problems with it. |
Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
44
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:10:00 -
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If you fall for a margin trading scam you are after a cheap buck and thus deserve all you get. That simple. |
David Forge
Forge Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:33:00 -
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Why are we talking about the margin trading scam? |
Samroski
Games Inc. EVE Trade Consortium
47
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Posted - 2012.04.05 04:12:00 -
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I find this skill to be most useful for slow filling buy orders. Why would I want to invest 10b for 3 months upfront, when I can pay it as I go?
I have no objections to having a check-box to turn it off, as suggested by OP, though it negates roleplaying somewhat. Best (not) to train a new character, or biomass your present one. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
235
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Posted - 2012.04.05 05:49:00 -
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Herman Klaus wrote:If you fall for a margin trading scam you are after a cheap buck and thus deserve all you get. That simple.
If you don't feel like reading the OP that's fine, but then don't press the post button either my dear. |
Liberty Eternal
Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2012.04.05 06:17:00 -
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I find it incomprehensible that anyone could have a problem using this skill, but if it is going to be nerfed please do it with a checkbox, don't get rid of it as some of us find it extremely useful. |
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Naschen
Raffen Relikt Ruin Nation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 12:10:00 -
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you want the option to turn off one of your skills?
personally I would rather see the option to manually add isk to the market escrow and that the market escrow gets emptied before it goes looking in your wallet. |
Aina Sasaki
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:51:00 -
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Margin Trading is awesome. It allows me to put up buy orders worth far more than i'd normally be able to put up. So long as I continue to sell what items I buy, i'll never run out of ISK because of Margin Trading. :) - Rei |
volhar
V Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:06:00 -
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Not to long ago I bought 19 plexes at 49.99m per unit rather than 499m. Didn't even get hatemail, I was slightly dissapointed. I've also been on the other side of that mistake a few times for a couple bil though so I know how easy it is to make when tired/intoxicated/distracted, etc. |
Flios Bror
Persnickety Pilots
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Posted - 2012.04.06 22:25:00 -
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The only really annoying thing with margin trading (for me): it is not visible in game if someone has used margin trading with a corp buy-order. |
Xaqa
Cryptic Arch
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Posted - 2012.04.07 19:01:00 -
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I, for one, cannot get enough of it. Me loves it something fierce. Although I find it interesting that there are people out there who don't. Cheers |
Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.10 22:40:00 -
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I'd be for a check box to apply or not apply this skill. There are places where it's useful and times that you'd rather not use that effect. |
Ben Bernank
The Goldman Sachs
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Posted - 2012.04.11 10:40:00 -
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I'm against this.... simply because the skill is clearly beneficial, like any other skills. Should we have a check box to disable other skills too? I think not, just don't train the skill.
Don't leave your wallet empty and you'll enjoy the full benifits of the skill. I can't think of why it would ever be preferable to place buy orders without it. Don't place a buy order which would way overextend your wallet, unless of course that's what you're trying to do. |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2012.04.11 11:43:00 -
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Lol .. judging from the replies, I'd say there's quite a few folks who's too lazy to read and understand the gist of the OP. Hopefully CCP doesn't fall into that trap, but I'm not holding my breath.
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YuuKnow
The Long Kiss Goodnight
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Posted - 2012.04.11 11:55:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Dear CCP,
Please put a checkbox to enable/disable "Margin Trading" when I'm buying stuffs. This is getting annoying as I've got to bloody remember not to move around funds between wallets, less the buy order fails.
Yours sincerely, Sturm
How could to forget that you have large buy order obligations and more the funds in the first place? Sounds like sloppy isk management to me.
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Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
The Three Musketeers
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:28:00 -
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Having learned my first programming language in 1973, and having been a programmer for many of the years since then, I would have to say that I would have to be out of my mind to enable a feature such as margin trading with no way for the user to toggle it on and off. That is just incredibly thoughtless, sorry to say. Thankfully, CCP always thinks things through, and I'm sure they will soon realize their mistake and correct it. Independent thinking is not encouraged in a professional Army. It is a form of mutiny. Obedience is the supreme virtueBritish Prime Minister Lloyd George, in his 'War Memoirs'-á |
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Ben Bernank
The Goldman Sachs
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:28:00 -
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Anyone who needs a checkbox to keep track of their isk for them really shouldn't be trading. Oh no, I'll buy too many things CCP help me!
Sometimes I want to pay more taxes and fees. We should add check boxes to those skills too. Why stop there? We can make all the skills disableable! |
Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro
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Posted - 2012.05.12 23:19:00 -
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A checkbox would be very handy in certain circumstances. The first that springs to mind would be for those orders that you know will fill and are your basic bread and butter versus those where you are taking a bit of a punt. It would allow you to prioritise certain orders over others.
For those corps using a wallet division to trade from for multiple people (for whatever reason) it would also be handy since you won't know how much of what remains in the wallet is needed to cover others market orders that have used the margin trading skill. Or more precisely, you don't know how short you could be running that wallet. Help rid New Eden of T2 BPOs:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62797 The Full Pocket Aggro blog:-á http://fullpocketaggro.blogspot.com/ Now showing: The incursion situation |
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
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Posted - 2012.05.14 23:52:00 -
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The margin trading skill is the most destructive skill in EVE. It is totally bending the economy towards older and higher skilled and higher liquid players. The fact that it made it to the design table is a terrible oversight imho..
Getting rid of it entirely would be the best thing to happen for the EVE economy. You want credit rating and leverage use metagame mechanics and get loans, and shift the risk onto actual real players..
While they are at it removing the limit on market orders and contracts would help a lot to, and improving the general UI on market and contracts. We did not need inventory UI upgrade, we needed it everywhere else..
These old flaws to EVE economy mechanics is some terrible perma docked pandas protection act.
While on that note nerf the hell out of the npc corp strawman trading, by adding the same hike on taxation as was done on mission running. Simply add a default +1.5% transaction tax.
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Drab Cane
Carbenadium Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:32:00 -
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Caleb Ayrania wrote:The margin trading skill is the most destructive skill in EVE. It is totally bending the economy towards older and higher skilled and higher liquid players. The fact that it made it to the design table is a terrible oversight imho.
Really? Older and higher skilled players? It takes 30 days or less to train Margin Trading to V from nothing (including prereqs), and total skill cost is less than the cost of a battlecruiser.
As for players with 'higher liquidity' having an advantage, you have a point. I'm sure that there are plenty of players that have felt it was completely unfair when they get outgunned by another player with superior skills and better weapons. And yet, the game (and its players) manages to survive and fight another day.
Caleb, I respect that you really enjoy the economic simulation that is the EVE market, but really. The game, at its core, is about flying and blowing up internet spaceships.
Skill training is a deep part of EVE gameplay. I'm glad there is a tradeoff between training trade skills vs. ship skills vs. weapon skills, etc. It make life ( and character development) much more interesting. |
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:51:00 -
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Drab Cane wrote:Caleb Ayrania wrote:The margin trading skill is the most destructive skill in EVE. It is totally bending the economy towards older and higher skilled and higher liquid players. The fact that it made it to the design table is a terrible oversight imho.
Really? Older and higher skilled players? It takes 30 days or less to train Margin Trading to V from nothing (including prereqs), and total skill cost is less than the cost of a battlecruiser. As for players with 'higher liquidity' having an advantage, you have a point. I'm sure that there are plenty of players that have felt it was completely unfair when they get outgunned by another player with superior skills and better weapons. And yet, the game (and its players) manages to survive and fight another day. Caleb, I respect that you really enjoy the economic simulation that is the EVE market, but really. The game, at its core, is about flying and blowing up internet spaceships. Skill training is a deep part of EVE gameplay. I'm glad there is a tradeoff between training trade skills vs. ship skills vs. weapon skills, etc. It make life ( and character development) much more interesting.
I was def not saying there should not be trade skills, I merely pointed out that imho that one skill is really a bad idea. It might be fast to train, but its a bit akin to thermodynamics and infomorph it takes a while to find it and figure out what it does. Sadly the way EVE players have decided to use this skill is make it a scamming tool. Its one thing that it is balance breaking, but when its also a scam tool I would have either fixed it or removed it, if I was on the ccp side of the table.
The idea of margin trading, and geared investment is really great. It should however be linked directly to something like you current faction standing, and only work where you had good standing. Thus reflecting credit rating. Which brings the Caldari centric F***-up.. It would really be useful if we could get the scc neutral trade corp to actually be the trade corp in EVE. This would be the corp you should grind missions for, and there should be stations for hub trade in each faction. Ideally CCP could just make one station SCC in each of the current populated hubs and add mission agents to this. Then add the derivates from the relevant faction npc corps, like the banking corps and shipping corps.
The next step would be switching the public to internal "upside down" policy around, so corp orders and corp contracts would highly benefit the players. The last tweak would be boosting/fixing the npc faction standing calculations in corps, so big entities did not suffer by having many and new members. These issues have been around for so many years, that people arent even paying them attention anymore.
Yes EVE is pew pew space ships. That is among the main goals, but if I just wanted pew pew, or twitchy shooting stuff, I think EVE is the wrong game. The aspects that makes EVE unique is exactly the economy and the p2p ecology. The cirlce of life. This pseudo realism needs a bit of long over due tweaks, that will hugely improve the game experience. Lucky that some related features are slowly creeping into the game come this inferno patch. Not all, but some is better then none.
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Drab Cane
Carbenadium Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.15 20:35:00 -
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Caleb, interesting ideas, all of them.
If I read CCP's gameplay strategy correctly, their big priorities are 1) get players into player corps, and 2) get players out of high-sec.
Keeping new players 'safe' in the high-sec 'kiddie pool' is important for bringing new players into the game, but keeping high-sec carebear activities 'safe' for experienced players doesn't seem to be a priority.
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