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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2012.04.04 09:56:00 -
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I have not seen a definite answer about this from a GM yet know some people to be banned and others not.
If there has been an answer and I missed it I apologise.
I have seen various people talk about sitting afk in space, killing NPC's with their drones whilst they are shield repping them.
Effectively this means once they have initially setup their drones and repping, they can sit there indefinitely, afk, without having to use any automation tools, killing NPC's.
Now is this method an exploit, or is it only classed as an exploit if you do it with a certain space, i.e anons?
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Kehro Urgus
tech-legion AAA Citizens
284
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:01:00 -
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I seem to recall a post about someone being banned for this very thing... Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde
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Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:10:00 -
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Related question, is there a place you can see all known exploits that can result in a ban? I had a search across the KB and EVElopedia for "Exploit" and the results don't have a list. |
Sirinda
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:10:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:I seem to recall a post about someone being banned for this very thing...
Was a few weeks back, I think, I read it, too. No definitive answer whether this is considered to be an exploit or not. Though honestly, I don't see why it would count as such, you're using the tools the game client comes with and nothing more, really. |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:14:00 -
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Sirinda wrote:you're using the tools the game client comes with and nothing more, really
Isn't that true of a lot of exploits? E.g. the boomerang warping off grid, etc. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5908
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:27:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Now is this method an exploit, or is it only classed as an exploit if you do it with a certain space, i.e anons? No.
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Francisco Bizzaro
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:31:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Related question, is there a place you can see all known exploits that can result in a ban? I had a search across the KB and EVElopedia for "Exploit" and the results don't have a list. This has been requested before, and I'm not sure CCP has ever given a good explanation for why such a list doesn't exist.
Probably it has to do with the fear of "giving people ideas". I rather think it would actually save their GMs a lot of time, provided it is understood that the list is not exhaustive. Evelopedia would be a sensible and easy to maintain place for this list. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:33:00 -
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How is this banable?
Assuming you're doing it in an anom, then, you're in 0.0, so roamers are why you shouldn't |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:39:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:I have not seen a definite answer about this from a GM yet know some people to be banned and others not.
If there has been an answer and I missed it I apologise.
I have seen various people talk about sitting afk in space, killing NPC's with their drones whilst they are shield repping them.
Effectively this means once they have initially setup their drones and repping, they can sit there indefinitely, afk, without having to use any automation tools, killing NPC's.
Now is this method an exploit, or is it only classed as an exploit if you do it with a certain space, i.e anons?
I don't see how it could possibly be considered an exploit. It's using the game mechanics as they were designed. It doesn't involve any bugs, client modifications or third party programs.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:39:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:How is this banable?
Assuming you're doing it in an anom, then, you're in 0.0, so roamers are why you shouldn't
Nope, the person who claims they were banned were in high sec
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malaire
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:50:00 -
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Official way to ask if something is exploit is to make petition in "exploits" category. New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:59:00 -
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Of interest: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84360
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TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:03:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:How is this banable?
Assuming you're doing it in an anom, then, you're in 0.0, so roamers are why you shouldn't Nope, the person who claims they were banned were in high sec
HA, so war dec them, problem solved.
This doesn't seem that different from the old "domi take full agro, drop drones, go make food" |
Irisa Selenia
Capital Consortium Partners One Stop Research
12
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:12:00 -
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I remember reading about some people getting bans for doing this in cosmos plexes. |
Thomas Gallant
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:20:00 -
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it would seem kind of odd if such a thing was bannable, as the drones are programed to attack whatever on their own, If you aren't meant to let drones attack on their own, why are they programed to behave that way? It would be like getting banned for using the auto-pilot, it's programed to be automatic, and not require a ton of attention. |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:39:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:I have not seen a definite answer about this from a GM yet know some people to be banned and others not.
If there has been an answer and I missed it I apologise.
I have seen various people talk about sitting afk in space, killing NPC's with their drones whilst they are shield repping them.
Effectively this means once they have initially setup their drones and repping, they can sit there indefinitely, afk, without having to use any automation tools, killing NPC's.
Now is this method an exploit, or is it only classed as an exploit if you do it with a certain space, i.e anons?
Not an exploit Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:45:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:I have not seen a definite answer about this from a GM yet know some people to be banned and others not.
If there has been an answer and I missed it I apologise.
I have seen various people talk about sitting afk in space, killing NPC's with their drones whilst they are shield repping them.
Effectively this means once they have initially setup their drones and repping, they can sit there indefinitely, afk, without having to use any automation tools, killing NPC's.
Now is this method an exploit, or is it only classed as an exploit if you do it with a certain space, i.e anons?
People already got banned because of this, so don't do it.
Being AFK, dropping sentries and RRing them is a no-go.
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InstinctE17
Avant-Garde Monastery G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:53:00 -
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according to ccp you cant even talk about a exploit wheather its real or not. that is a bannable offense. you are only allowed to petition it in order to discuss it. be very careful in these matters as i have been on the wrong end of this situation in the past |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
284
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Posted - 2012.04.04 12:09:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I have not seen a definite answer about this from a GM yet know some people to be banned and others not.
If there has been an answer and I missed it I apologise.
I have seen various people talk about sitting afk in space, killing NPC's with their drones whilst they are shield repping them.
Effectively this means once they have initially setup their drones and repping, they can sit there indefinitely, afk, without having to use any automation tools, killing NPC's.
Now is this method an exploit, or is it only classed as an exploit if you do it with a certain space, i.e anons?
Not an exploit So the other guy who claimed he got banned for doing this... lied ? Edit: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84360This thread. Only one GM post at the end, which locked it. No idea what really happened, but he claims he did this and got banned. No reason to believe he didn't actually do it, so it's rather confusing. Otoh, of course he could have done something else he shouldn't have, but still ...
More than likely that fella might have done something illegal while his ships were ratting npcs.
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Raneru
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2012.04.04 12:38:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:I have not seen a definite answer about this from a GM yet know some people to be banned and others not.
If there has been an answer and I missed it I apologise.
I have seen various people talk about sitting afk in space, killing NPC's with their drones whilst they are shield repping them.
Effectively this means once they have initially setup their drones and repping, they can sit there indefinitely, afk, without having to use any automation tools, killing NPC's.
Now is this method an exploit, or is it only classed as an exploit if you do it with a certain space, i.e anons?
I'm confused. How exactly would you do this " indefinitely, afk, without having to use any automation tools" ?
If your drones go out of your very limited shield transporter range, they wont get repped. Even if you could guarantee that the npcs and drones stayed in range (sentries), running 5 transporters along with your own local tank wouldn't really be practical. Not to mention killing small npcs with sentries is tough. |
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Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
20
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Posted - 2012.04.04 12:54:00 -
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I can totally see why this a bannable offense.
Otherwise, anyone could come into any cosmos plex out there, put out their drones with permarep and earn x isk per hour indefinitely... completely tying up that plex for everyone else and virtually removing it from the game.
Ya,,, let's not push to make that legal.
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The proper use of dual monitors with the eve client. http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/2821/img0275jr.jpg |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2012.04.04 12:58:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote:I can totally see why this a bannable offense.
Otherwise, anyone could come into any cosmos plex out there, put out their drones with permarep and earn x isk per hour indefinitely... completely tying up that plex for everyone else and virtually removing it from the game.
Ya,,, let's not push to make that legal.
S
Erm.. not sure you noticed but it has been confirmed as not an exploit |
Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:06:00 -
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I don't do it, but I'm glad to hear that it's not an exploit.
If anything it's just one more reason on the ever growing list of why npc AI's need to be buffed all-round.
And although I have no evidence, I'd still like to quote, from the Original complaint, the following:
Quote:My brother and a friend were banned a few days ago. The explanatory mail accused them of "Macroing".
They weren't macroing. How many of you believe them...? I know I don't... I don't have any evidence, but I bet CCP do.
How often do we hear? :
Quote:My brother and a friend were banned a few days ago. The explanatory mail accused them of "Botting".
They weren't botting.
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Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
20
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:11:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Spy 21 wrote:I can totally see why this a bannable offense.
Otherwise, anyone could come into any cosmos plex out there, put out their drones with permarep and earn x isk per hour indefinitely... completely tying up that plex for everyone else and virtually removing it from the game.
Ya,,, let's not push to make that legal.
S
Erm.. not sure you noticed but it has been confirmed as not an exploit
Ya I saw the GM response after posting. Always wise to post in a thread without actually reading it. My apologies for being an idiot.
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I still don't want peeps doing this. I suppose you could bump the ship out repair range if someone were truly doing this and hogging all the NPCs in a certain area...
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Prince Kobol
506
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:12:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Spy 21 wrote:I can totally see why this a bannable offense.
Otherwise, anyone could come into any cosmos plex out there, put out their drones with permarep and earn x isk per hour indefinitely... completely tying up that plex for everyone else and virtually removing it from the game.
Ya,,, let's not push to make that legal.
S
Erm.. not sure you noticed but it has been confirmed as not an exploit Ya I saw the GM response after posting. Always wise to post in a thread without actually reading it. My apologies for being an idiot. *** I still don't want peeps doing this. I suppose you could bump the ship out repair range if someone were truly doing this and hogging all the NPCs in a certain area... S
hehe. I do that but yeah totally agree, even if it isn't an exploit it does go to show that the AI does needs some serious upgrading |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1459
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:14:00 -
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I am really not sure how this could be considered an exploit as well. If you aren't using a macro or any other 3rd party program to make it happen and it is part of the games mechanics, which repping drones is, then how could it be a bannable offense? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
128
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:28:00 -
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Just because one GM said its not an exploit doesn't actually affect how another GM would rule on the situation.
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:41:00 -
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Patient 2428190 wrote:Just because one GM said its not an exploit doesn't actually affect how another GM would rule on the situation.
This is incorrect. All GMs operate under the same rules and policies. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:49:00 -
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Have any of you seen how poorly the cosmos sites pay out these days?
there's still money in hacking the containers but just sitting there killing the rats?
No dice |
Prince Kobol
506
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:00:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:Have any of you seen how poorly the cosmos sites pay out these days?
there's still money in hacking the containers but just sitting there killing the rats?
No dice
Yeah but if you doing this afk for say 14 hrs per day, pretty sure that would add up to a nice tidy sum. |
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