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Hitomi Yamagiri
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Posted - 2008.11.05 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Hitomi Yamagiri on 05/11/2008 02:27:17 i'm half expecting a cheese plate to come with all this whining. i didn't realize this many ppl complained about this game.
i do understand the chief complaints - this is not an expansion. this is a content patch with a bit of a game balance. and by game balance, i agree that the nano's needed to be nerfed. i say this having helped a friend of mine IRL and pilot in game work on becoming a nano pilot himself.
why do i say this? because it is inherently wrong that a group of 6 nano pilots should be able to tear a fleet of 20 pilots apart with little if any damage to themselves. because it is inherently wrong that pvp belongs only to those willing or able to spend 5 billion on modules and fittings that will allow a cruiser/HAC/BS to go faster than an interceptor. let the interceptors have their fleet roles back.
imo, this nerf is long overdue.
and to everyone who thinks that this nerf is "unbalancing" - grow a backbone, throw some guns on a real ship, and trade fire in pvp. if you aren't willing to risk your ship, you shouldn't be playing this game.
to CCP: you might have to re-think this nerf if you ever want to include planetary flight in the game, even if that is years down the road. escape velocity (the velocity required to travel from the earth to the moon, for example) is actually 10,000 meters per second. and that's from Earth, with a gravity acceleration of 9.7 meters / second^2. you might be re-thinking this nerf, along with your starship velocities, if you are still thinking about planetary flight. just so you know. |
Sillat
Minmatar ShadowTec Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sillat on 05/11/2008 02:57:18
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: kurikymoko yasai One final question: when will we get patch note?
Soon. We're still compiling the release notes, they are at 15 pages and growing.
I can't help but wonder just how many pages of release notes the whiners consider is enough for a "real expansion"?
This thread sponsored by the BBC Drama Department me thinks, I love it!
That said, the release date being around the same time as World of Failcraft probably wasn't going to win many votes of confidence.
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Sat Thu
Minmatar Viscosity Ocularis Inferno
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Posted - 2008.11.05 03:56:00 -
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This expanded patch seems to be a content failure based on everything made available on it so far. I hope you're holding something back for Fanfest but doubt it based on recent performance. Also, the speed nerf is PvP game breaking without a complete rebalance of several other ships, weapons and mods which you obviously forgot at some point along the way. This would be an excellent time for a onetime skill point refund and redistribution option.
Quoting Cpt Branko's excellent post.
Originally by: Cpt Branko CCP, thank you for making me fit scramblers to every short range ship instead of disruptors. I did not need the ability to fight outside of webrange in my frigates/cruisers/BCs and everyone I warp to is always at 0 anyway.
Thank you for making me have to fit 2x medium neuts to every cruiser/BC hull in order to not die to a single AF in a BC/CS/cruiser/HAC. I always considered the way those CS can fend off a AF totally overpowered.
Thank you for making a 15 mil T2 fit interceptor safe from turret fire for solo tackling, while even the pimped interceptor - which can no longer be pimped within reason of course - is extremely unsafe in gang fights.
Thank you for making medium blaster boats have even less of a chance to ever fire in optimal. If people want to get in optimal, that's what power of 2 and a Falcon alt is for.
Thank you for nerfing nanos by lowering the speed of everything else in game. After all, with the relative speed differences remaining the same and you scaling weapon and EW range/tracking/DPS to compensate, everything is still the same.
Thank you for enticing me to blob with my battleships. I'd just lose them while solo, after all, and you protected me from this error by making this clearly unfeasible. Also, thank you for making them more effective vs those dreadful smaller things when they are in properly sized blobs.
This is a awesome combat upgrade, and I really have to thank CCP for a awesome job, splendid job done balancing and fine-tuning the changes, and above all, excellent communication with its customers.
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2008.11.05 04:07:00 -
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Edited by: Sciencegeek deathdealer on 05/11/2008 04:09:34 HMMMMMMMmmmmm................................................. Little More Content? Maybe? Please?
This cannot be called an expansion. although i am excited about the orca, there is hardly enough here.
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2008.11.05 04:07:00 -
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Edited by: Sciencegeek deathdealer on 05/11/2008 04:08:11 HMMMMM........ Little more content please?
EDIT: sry didnt know the last one posted could a moderator remove this one pls
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Ron Bacardi
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.11.05 04:43:00 -
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Cool.
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Reten Kip
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.11.05 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: Reten Kip on 05/11/2008 05:02:50
Originally by: Hitomi Yamagiri to CCP: you might have to re-think this nerf if you ever want to include planetary flight in the game, even if that is years down the road. escape velocity (the velocity required to travel from the earth to the moon, for example) is actually 10,000 meters per second. and that's from Earth, with a gravity acceleration of 9.7 meters / second^2. you might be re-thinking this nerf, along with your starship velocities, if you are still thinking about planetary flight. just so you know.
Erm, not really. Anything bigger than the frigates in this game probably shouldn't be able to enter/exit atmosphere anyway. Also, escape velocity is only if you cut off the power, keep pouring the juice on and you'll get into space even if you're only going a foot per second. It'll just take forever.
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Second Omega
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: Chris Tao
removal of ghost training (Epic whine)
When did they do that? i was ghost training a couple months ago while i went out of town.
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Second Omega
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Second Omega
Originally by: Chris Tao
removal of ghost training (Epic whine)
When did they do that? i was ghost training a couple months ago while i went out of town.
Crap i reactivated my account thinking they nerfed ghost training. seems i still trained 3 days inactive, answered my own question.
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Griznatle
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Posted - 2008.11.05 06:17:00 -
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If anyone plays warhammer 40k here, this seems like much the same. Space Marines continue to be buffed (they brought back the mole mortar) and everyone else bites the bullet. Those CNR loving freaks need to learn to adapt, not complain until CCP puts their binky in and tells them it will all be over soon. I am so sad to think I will have to shred my account. I spent almost 3 months cross training into fun stuff, and im not going back to missile boats. I swear, the new WTTTFPOWNBOOM will be a falcon, a drake, and a cerebus. I swear CCP, whats going on? All your customers are telling you DONT DO IT! and yet you keep listening to the people who wont adapt. I MUST KITE TEH MISSILES! pease? ill give you a hug? ppppease?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.11.05 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey's Clone CCP keep bringing out poor and small expansions the population will shrink and the game will die over time.
uhhh ok most mmorpgs that make you pay for expansions come out every 2 years with content patches.
ummm...
and I don't pay more or eve than any other mmorpg don't know what people are going on about there.
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Sar Ferredj
Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.11.05 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: Sar Ferredj on 05/11/2008 06:21:36 Edited by: Sar Ferredj on 05/11/2008 06:20:13 Well . . . still no informations regarding critical points of this expansion (speed, stores . . .)
Even if some features are worth it (weapon group, some UI enhancements) I have the feeling they call this update an 'expansion' only for the word itself . . . But I don't play Eve for expansions : i play it because i can have fun & enjoy playing !
Again, Sissi don't reflect changes . . .
So even if i don't like whining I have to say there are still broken things on Sissi (tracking & missiles for example), I don't know how they expect to fix it in the next days when they've been working/tuning this d*mn thing for months . . .
And please, could you avoid peeping about fitting BS with cruiser sized weapons . . . this is just . . . insane . . .
Please don't make the fun to disappear !
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.11.05 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Second Omega
Originally by: Second Omega
Originally by: Chris Tao
removal of ghost training (Epic whine)
When did they do that? i was ghost training a couple months ago while i went out of town.
Crap i reactivated my account thinking they nerfed ghost training. seems i still trained 3 days inactive, answered my own question.
they did nerf it, but you still train one week or so before it cuts off.
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Quicktime
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.05 06:38:00 -
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Edited by: Quicktime on 05/11/2008 06:40:17 Good Bye Eve! 2.5 years were great! All accounts are going down down down! I hope people look at this expansion as one of the worst changes to a successful game in the history of games, time will tell. I tried everything I can think of to get the devs to rethink this mess, and it looks like all hope is lost.
X-crow pilot, and ****ed off for life customer, I will never buy another CCP game! If I sound bitter then you are smart enough to read this correctly! I would have paid up 300 dollars for a good expansion 100 per account, but this very very sad.
To all my friends when I find a good game to play which I look for everyday now that Eve is almost over, I will find you again!
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Hi Lo
Faulty Solutions
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Posted - 2008.11.05 06:44:00 -
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WHERE THE HELL IS MY AMBULATION?????? Karl Kopalnia > omg Hi Lo is the name I use for all my gaming characters for 15 years--you're the one that took it :*( |
Lilla Kharn
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Posted - 2008.11.05 07:11:00 -
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So I have to ask, when is black ops getting fixed?
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Pliauga
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.11.05 07:35:00 -
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When I saw the features page I thought - "this can't be right, that's not an expansion". But then I read this:
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: kurikymoko yasai One final question: when will we get patch note?
Soon. We're still compiling the release notes, they are at 15 pages and growing.
15 bloody pages of patch notes !!! You should have announced those instead of that lame features page.
But then on a side note: if this is a staged expansion will it have a third stage to it, after QR is released and well? I would really love some industrial content. Any ideas when that might be coming? Pretty plz
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Blood Bathroom
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Posted - 2008.11.05 07:39:00 -
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Fail expansion is Fail. that is all
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doobey
Minmatar Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 07:48:00 -
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Well, I have cross trained all races bar amarr (currently training) so speed nerf really doesnt bother me. If a minnie/gal ship doesnt work ill just fly something else. no big deal. We get the patch for free so stop whining. Adapt or GTFO
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Jordan Musgrat
H A V O C Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.05 07:53:00 -
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So did you trash the black ops fuel bay?
When a dev was asked on the live dev blog how small gang would be viable, black ops fuel bay was his only answer. If you are not even going to give us the fuel bay to make the thing functional, then it says a lot about your commitment to us. -----------
Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0... |
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DeLaBu
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Posted - 2008.11.05 08:00:00 -
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Well done CCP. Being a developer, I understand how hard it can be and how much work can go into something without it being patently obvious to the users.
So, it may not be as feature rich as some people may have wanted, but I'm sure it was lots of code under the hood.
Maybe the nano nerf will be too much, but REALLY, it's a game. Part of the fun is to adapt. And where it was overdone, I'm sure it will be rebalanced some.
Funny how many forum posters' behaviour mimic's my children's
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.05 08:02:00 -
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lol just 1 new ship? .....
sǝʎǝ ɹn ƃuıuınɹ `sɯnɹoɟ ɹn uı zı |
Mallikanth
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Posted - 2008.11.05 08:08:00 -
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I don't normally respond to these expansion posts but I feel that CCP have failed somewhat in managing players expectations with this one.
Two good things to come out of it in my opinion: The Orca, the efforts to reduce lag and the Orca
The rest doesn't seem to have enough content behind it to class as an expansion. Don't get me wrong I'm grateful for what we can get but an expansion? I'd class it as an update.
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Ag3nT 0rang3
Caldari DamageDealer Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.05 08:16:00 -
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Never change a running system.
Like someone said: can we plz have Revelations back?
Only things we get since two years are: nerf's....
I'll give QR a try. But if it turns out like it seems, i'm off.
2.5 years of fun....no ALT :D
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Flawliss
Gallente Pilots of True Potential
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Posted - 2008.11.05 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Karade So where is the tracking formula fix guys? We've shown you how to work with your current formula to correctly account for size vs. distance, to make 'signature radius' actually mean something, and de-couple the ability to hold a target in place with the ability to hit with close range turrets without the need to boost tracking by hundreds of percent...
So where is it?
Indeed Sir! Indeed...
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Thraxon
Black-Sun Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.11.05 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: Thraxon on 05/11/2008 08:35:41
Originally by: Blood Bathroom Fail expansion is Fail. that is all
Originally by: Ag3nT 0rang3 Never change a running system.
Like someone said: can we plz have Revelations back?
Only things we get since two years are: nerf's....
I'll give QR a try. But if it turns out like it seems, i'm off.
2.5 years of fun....no ALT :D
Peace!
Can I have your stuff?
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ntronic
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Posted - 2008.11.05 08:48:00 -
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Why dont we just call it quantum nerf as thats what it is..
Maybe we shoud pay for expansions from here on or make them optional, as this is just lame all we are geting is more blob and more lag...
Who the hell gives a **** about stargates they are broken as it is(Notify Session change already in progress.)i love this msg fix them first than add a new models for them ....
about the Orca ow yea its great if you have 200k sp in industry and mining at 40 mill sp ...
anyway great nerf at list name it right ....caldari here i come ..... lol
hate post ftw
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Arthur Black
Gallente SoE Roughriders
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Posted - 2008.11.05 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kesper North
Originally by: CCP RyanD
Originally by: Ocularus Dothumiter
On a side note, how hard is it... seriously.
It's ridiculously hard, which is why we've had more than a year go by without releasing it, despite having a team at Transgaming working on it nearly full time, and the direct participation of our CTO (who is a graphics Wizard) assisting.
RyanD
...Wouldn't it have been easier and cheaper to just write a native OpenGL client by now? That would solve your performance problems and make your code fully cross-platform. WoW has had this forever.
If you want to kick Transgaming to the curb and start work on a native client now, I promise I'll patiently wait another year.
I'll see your port and raise you one helping hand. My platforms of choice are Solaris and OS X. I would love nothing more than to be able to play the premium content version on those. Send over any NDA you see fit and lets get to work. I'm sure others would be equally interested, especially the Linux crowd.
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Sar Ferredj
Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.11.05 08:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sar Ferredj on 05/11/2008 08:52:13 I understand the complaints as on TQ :
- Blackops . . .well you know - AF . . . what are they for - Destroyers are just a (bad) joke . . . - Railguns are broken - Indus need some love
- Linux & MacOs need serious love too
There are a lot of fixes needed without fixing what is not broken . . . Especially if you want to bring fun the newplayers (which I support) by nerfing older players (which i can't stand).
Or do you plan to create a decent turnover (by disguting 2+ years old Gal/Matarr) to lower chars levels & make the game funnier to newcomers?
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Beave
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Posted - 2008.11.05 09:46:00 -
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Please, Please, with sugar on it, strawberry's on top, add the fuel bay to the black ops class. Just that one little tidbit. More like a bit really. Pretty insignificant task if you really really think hard on it for just a short time.
Those of us who play Eve salute you!
/asskissing off
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