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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:13:00 -
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I work five days per week and only have maybe 4-6 hours to invest in Eve per week, and only if I want to pew-pew in some spaceships. Some weeks I prefer to spend my time doing something in RL like seeing friends or exercising. Yeah, very atypical of an Eve player.
But it sucks that I have to pay $15 per month, the same amount as a hardcore, basement-dweller who can sink 12+ hours per day into the game. Obviously the basement-dweller is getting much more utility out of his dollars than I am. This especially hurts if you choose to run with alt accounts. I can't really justify spending $30-$45 per month on a game that I might play for only 20 hours.
Can CCP look at alternative methods of paying or subscribing to the game? I'd rather go F2P and pay for "premium" content that I can use at my convenience. |
Stoogie
Cadre Assault Force Initiative Mercenaries
18
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:15:00 -
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No |
Kisumii
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:17:00 -
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I actually LOLed at this, you caught me off guard.
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Virgil Travis
GWA Corp
66
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:18:00 -
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What makes you so special Captain Entitlement? Roses are red. Bacon is also red. Poems are hard. Bacon. |
Eri Em
5
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:19:00 -
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SoonGäó
70% of games are FTP, just wait for it. |
hermot
The Back Yard Twilight Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:21:00 -
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what a terrible idea |
Stellar Vix
State War Academy Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:22:00 -
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The hardcore? They have multiple accounts up to 12 a pop.
-Vix |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
374
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:24:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I work five days per week and only have maybe 4-6 hours to invest in Eve per week, and only if I want to pew-pew in some spaceships. Some weeks I prefer to spend my time doing something in RL like seeing friends or exercising. Yeah, very atypical of an Eve player.
But it sucks that I have to pay $15 per month, the same amount as a hardcore, basement-dweller who can sink 12+ hours per day into the game. Obviously the basement-dweller is getting much more utility out of his dollars than I am. This especially hurts if you choose to run with alt accounts. I can't really justify spending $30-$45 per month on a game that I might play for only 20 hours.
Can CCP look at alternative methods of paying or subscribing to the game? I'd rather go F2P and pay for "premium" content that I can use at my convenience.
theres a game for this and its even free to play. Called Star Trek Online
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3644
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:25:00 -
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The only form of FT2 outisde of PLEX is confined to stations. Chang market orders enjoy some non space careers such as lab technician or factory worker.
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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
192
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:26:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:[quote=Kaivar Lancer]
theres a game for this and its even free to play. Called Star Trek Online
Hmmmm, Star Trek is kinda too girly for me. I have an account on LOTRO which is F2P + MT, but I prefer my sci-fi and Eve's nastiness, as evidenced in this thread. |
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Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
200
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:27:00 -
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Let me guess... If they gave you 50% off for being special, you'd still want the full '100%' skill-train speed that everyone else gets...
Terrible idea. |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:29:00 -
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There is... Cause I have the same issue.
It's called a sub fee. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
192
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:29:00 -
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Hiram Alexander wrote:Let me guess... If they gave you 50% off for being special, you'd still want the full '100%' skill-train speed that everyone else gets...
Terrible idea.
Actually I wouldn't mind a skill-train penalty in exchange for a discount. 50% for 50% sounds fair. |
Omu Matol
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
10
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:29:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I work five days per week and only have maybe 4-6 hours to invest in Eve per week, and only if I want to pew-pew in some spaceships. Some weeks I prefer to spend my time doing something in RL like seeing friends or exercising. Yeah, very atypical of an Eve player.
But it sucks that I have to pay $15 per month, the same amount as a hardcore, basement-dweller who can sink 12+ hours per day into the game. Obviously the basement-dweller is getting much more utility out of his dollars than I am. This especially hurts if you choose to run with alt accounts. I can't really justify spending $30-$45 per month on a game that I might play for only 20 hours.
Can CCP look at alternative methods of paying or subscribing to the game? I'd rather go F2P and pay for "premium" content that I can use at my convenience.
Serious? You basically turn your nose up at other people who play this game, then ask for their support for you to play at a cheaper rate? $30-45 a month, is 2-3 accounts. Sorry that's not what I'd describe as a super casual player. Quit whining and go play with your kiddie friends and take a long jump off a short pier. (in game) |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
179
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:29:00 -
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Make lots of isk and give it to me and I will buy a plex for you. Now your wish is granted, your game is free to play.
I too work 5 days a week, sometimes with overtime. I also go to school for the last 3 workdays while I study during the other 4 days (and sometimes that isn't even enough time). I leave the house before first light and I get home well after dark. Sometimes I don't even get to log in and play for a given week. But I've never felt that the price was unjustified. 4-5 hours a week comes out to 12-15 hours a month which equates to roughly $1 an hour. How many other hobbies can you think of that are that cheap. |
Eric Konway
Silverwing Explorers Unfamiliar Presence
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:31:00 -
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To the OP: You have to realize what your getting for that 15 a month your only getting 20 hours out of. Unlike in other MMO's where you have to play to progress in levels, EVE has the benefit of offline training. This means your not falling behind skill wise of a hardcore player (not counting implants). Even if you have less expensive equipment (which isn't as important as skills if you know how to fit ships effectively) you can still run with fleetmates in whatever they do. In WoW, if you fall behind buddies in level, then your S.O.L. . I won't get into how F2P can go horribly wrong in a system built on P2P, but rest assured EVE is not the place for that. Regards, -Konway |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3645
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:31:00 -
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I used to dissapear 9 months from eve at a time and only got to see it once a month.
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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
192
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:34:00 -
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Omu Matol wrote:Serious? You basically turn your nose up at other people who play this game, then ask for their support for you to play at a cheaper rate? $30-45 a month, is 2-3 accounts. Sorry that's not what I'd describe as a super casual player. Quit whining and go play with your kiddie friends and take a long jump off a short pier. (in game)
It's the other way around. My dollars subsidise the "hardcore" players who play many more hours than I do, yet I pay the same rate.
Anyway I need to sleep. |
Conu Leonida
Ex 24.7 v3
9
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:41:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I work five days per week and only have maybe 4-6 hours to invest in Eve per week, and only if I want to pew-pew in some spaceships. Some weeks I prefer to spend my time doing something in RL like seeing friends or exercising.
I can't really justify spending $30-$45 per month on a game that I might play for only 20 hours.
Can CCP look at alternative methods of paying or subscribing to the game? I'd rather go F2P and pay for "premium" content that I can use at my convenience.
If you can only shell out 20h of gametime each month, than you don't need 2-3 accounts.
Also, they should create this kind of subscription where special people like you: - would need to pay 50 cents for using gates and docking into stations - would need to pay 75 cents to pull missions and use industry/medical/LP store facilities - won't be able to train skills when logged out of EVE - shooting and reloading the guns/missile bays would cost 1 cent - changing fits would cost 10 cents |
Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:44:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Omu Matol wrote:Serious? You basically turn your nose up at other people who play this game, then ask for their support for you to play at a cheaper rate? $30-45 a month, is 2-3 accounts. Sorry that's not what I'd describe as a super casual player. Quit whining and go play with your kiddie friends and take a long jump off a short pier. (in game) It's the other way around. My dollars subsidise the "hardcore" players who play many more hours than I do, yet I pay the same rate. Anyway I need to sleep.
you are always free to play more. noone is forcing you to play just 4-5 hours a week, noone is forcing you to play 2-3 accounts at the same time during that... You pay for access to this game, the servers, all your stuff being stored etc. A lot of that is being used by you even when you arent online (can ccp delete your stuff after you go offline?? ). Its definately your choice if you want to use the ability to play this game for the full 716 hours you could every month or if you just use 20 of those.
If 20 hours of your hobby arent worth 30-45 dollars each month then just reduce the number of accounts or stop playing eve completely...
to ccp: i know deleting stuff always sucks, so as soon as he gives you the ok to delete his stuf every time he logs off, why dont you just move all of his possessions to me instead. I'll gladly pay each month for you keeping track of "his" stuff as soon as it belongs to me. |
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Pyrus Octavius
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
10
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:45:00 -
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One way you can look at this is, yes, you actually get to play - as in fly around in your space ship - or do some PI - or - a few hours a month. HOWEVER, your character TRAINS 24/7. So you can look at it from the perspective that your character is still playing the game, even though you are not. Worth the money, in my opinion. |
Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
57
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:45:00 -
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Oh OP, thank you for the laugh i had when reading your post. I needed that! |
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
509
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:48:00 -
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There also should be a subscription option for bittervets - access to forums and chat channels only.
15Gé¼/month just to post on these forums is insane. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
156
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:48:00 -
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Conu Leonida wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:I work five days per week and only have maybe 4-6 hours to invest in Eve per week, and only if I want to pew-pew in some spaceships. Some weeks I prefer to spend my time doing something in RL like seeing friends or exercising.
I can't really justify spending $30-$45 per month on a game that I might play for only 20 hours.
Can CCP look at alternative methods of paying or subscribing to the game? I'd rather go F2P and pay for "premium" content that I can use at my convenience. If you can only shell out 20h of gametime each month, than you don't need 2-3 accounts. Also, they should create this kind of subscription where special people like you: - would need to pay 50 cents for using gates and docking into stations - would need to pay 75 cents to pull missions and use industry/medical/LP store facilities - won't be able to train skills when logged out of EVE - shooting and reloading the guns/missile bays would cost 1 cent - changing fits would cost 10 cents
- Lowsec/nullsec are off limits.
- You can purchase/use faction equipment/ships.
- You can join a corp but cannot create one.
- You cannot join FW.
- CQ is accesible with the gold member plan
- Opening the market will link you to the FTP store each and every time.
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Tyler Rainez
5
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:52:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I work five days per week and only have maybe 4-6 hours to invest in Eve per week, and only if I want to pew-pew in some spaceships. Some weeks I prefer to spend my time doing something in RL like seeing friends or exercising. Yeah, very atypical of an Eve player.
But it sucks that I have to pay $15 per month, the same amount as a hardcore, basement-dweller who can sink 12+ hours per day into the game. Obviously the basement-dweller is getting much more utility out of his dollars than I am. This especially hurts if you choose to run with alt accounts. I can't really justify spending $30-$45 per month on a game that I might play for only 20 hours.
Can CCP look at alternative methods of paying or subscribing to the game? I'd rather go F2P and pay for "premium" content that I can use at my convenience.
Your a ******* idiot...are you 12 or something?
I pay $1200/month for rent....oh but I work, go out sometimes....I want to pay less than those who have more time to be home than me.....yeah sure that'll happen. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:55:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:[quote=Kaivar Lancer]
theres a game for this and its even free to play. Called Star Trek Online
Hmmmm, Star Trek is kinda too girly for me. I have an account on LOTRO which is F2P + MT, but I prefer my sci-fi and Eve's nastiness, as evidenced in this thread.
as he said lol
Star Trek Online... Play Klingons if you dont want girly, theyre all about that man on man stuff (given theyre almost required to PVP to level lol) Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:55:00 -
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That little play time is hardly worth the subscription fee. They are not going to change their subscription service for people that have little time. That would be like telling your cable/satellite company you only watch XXX amount of television per week and you want a price break. Won't happen. Your choices are to bot to support your account(s) and take the risk of losing them, quit the game, or keep paying. |
Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
57
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:59:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:There also should be a subscription option for bittervets - access to forums and chat channels only.
15Gé¼/month just to post on these forums is insane.
Cant post here unless you have an active subscription :p
anyways bittervets like us stopped paying real money for this game years ago! |
Screenlag
Beyond The Gates The Methodical Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:00:00 -
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You're not casual if you have three alts. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
118
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:02:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I work five days per week and only have maybe 4-6 hours to invest in Eve per week, and only if I want to pew-pew in some spaceships. Some weeks I prefer to spend my time doing something in RL like seeing friends or exercising. Yeah, very atypical of an Eve player.
But it sucks that I have to pay $15 per month, the same amount as a hardcore, basement-dweller who can sink 12+ hours per day into the game. Obviously the basement-dweller is getting much more utility out of his dollars than I am. This especially hurts if you choose to run with alt accounts. I can't really justify spending $30-$45 per month on a game that I might play for only 20 hours.
Can CCP look at alternative methods of paying or subscribing to the game? I'd rather go F2P and pay for "premium" content that I can use at my convenience.
Hell no to F2P, it's a terrible idea that's been shot down time and time again.
What I would say yes to is plexs in lower amounts, even as low as 1 day plexs. That way those that are all "waaaaaaa tis unfair" can get their "I'M ON AND CONTRIBUTING!!!" although then you'll cry about the lack of skill training. |
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RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
184
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:04:00 -
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if I could convert my 2ndary accounts to free to play i.e. no skill training I'd be happy .... my army of alts have no need for more skills http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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Zircon Dasher
123
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:19:00 -
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20hrs X 25m per hour = Free To Play. |
Vestor
Magma Planetary Investigation
6
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:56:00 -
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RaTTuS wrote:if I could convert my 2ndary accounts to free to play i.e. no skill training I'd be happy .... my army of alts have no need for more skills Just train an alt on those accounts an trade those alts for PLEX every year. That should cover the costs nicely |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
417
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:07:00 -
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You see, even though you're not playing as much as the "hardcore," you're still training skills.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Stellar Vix
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:08:00 -
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Casual in eve is one account
-Vix |
Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
29
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:31:00 -
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$7/month SP trains at 1/2 rate Can only log on any 15 days* out of your pay period.
*A day starts when you first log in. Any logins for the next 24 hours will not count as another day.
Just a random idea. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:34:00 -
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It works out at roughly 50p a day. You can't even buy a decent can of name brand soft drink for that from most shops, lordy most chocolate bars cost more than that. You can't even have a decent night out at the cinema nower days for the cost of the subscription. I know people who spend more than that in an hour at the pub.
Quite simply if you can't justify the cost then don't pay and don't play it pure and simple. If you have not right to play the game after all. |
Kunming
CyberShield Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION
22
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:35:00 -
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[quote=Stellar Vix]Casual in eve is one accoun
-Vix[/quote
Actually I dont understand the ppl with more than 3-4 accounts, even 2 are enough to cover all aspects of EVE. Unless you going for titans and wanna max all super capitals in all races I cant see the point of 3 accounts even. I made a 3rd account for pirating but it got redundant since I had enough action with the other 2 anyway
Casual is one account.. well yes but even more so, real hardcore is also one account
Back to the OP
NO
Im also working 5 days and only got max 6 hours after work. EVE is the only game out there that is not some commercial Mcburger pos. EVE is not the type of game that requires you to sit online all the time to be someone and do something. Skill training is the same whether ur online or not, so its upto you how long and how much you can utilize your playing time. |
Stellar Vix
State War Academy Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:43:00 -
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I'm just saying I have similar play time as the OP.
I still manage to pay for a plex and pvp ships for the PVP weekend roams while running swa's various not so npc corp functions such as ship placement and pilot adoption programs and upgrade my rather eccentric collection of pinata caldari ships.
Though 500kk for a plex is getting to me, IGÇÖm glad I didn't lose my scorpion in a ball of fire (thought I tried by best being the last one out of system.)
Now imagine what sort of mayhem I can cause using my intel agent credential and certifications to start practicing infiltration subterfuge and sabotage on a second account.
-Vix
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Krenalla
Modern Order of the Praetorians
26
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:10:00 -
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I thought the same as you OP a while back . To get around it and feel like your getting your dollars worth
1) Divorce / separate from wife / partner / Griefer 2)Shun all interaction with friends and colleagues. They WILL eventually give up calling you 3) neglect personal hygiene - this helps with step 2 4)Profit
Hopes this helps |
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
590
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:12:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer, you are paying a monthly subscription to expose others to your stupidity on a forum. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
152
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:30:00 -
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"I only plan on drinking half of this soda. I don't need to pay full price, right?" "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Lazrim
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:56:00 -
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The truth is the OP's argument HAS worked in the past on games like EQ and WoW where the so-called casual player (another name for I suck at this game) complained that they were not experiencing high end content like the better organized (ie people who could make friends in game) players were. They had equal access to the content like all players but over time the specious arguments from players like the op convinced those games devs to make the high end content more accessible to bad players. So you have what you have in those awful games now thanks to players like the op. I don't blame the op for trying since this type of post has worked in the past but his argument is dead in the water here at Eve O because Eve really has no PvE content. (which when you think about it is probably a good thing). OP has just as much access to any place in Eve as anyone else. |
Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
257
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:58:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I work five days per week and only have maybe 4-6 hours to invest in Eve per week, and only if I want to pew-pew in some spaceships. Some weeks I prefer to spend my time doing something in RL like seeing friends or exercising. Yeah, very atypical of an Eve player.
But it sucks that I have to pay $15 per month, the same amount as a hardcore, basement-dweller who can sink 12+ hours per day into the game. Obviously the basement-dweller is getting much more utility out of his dollars than I am. This especially hurts if you choose to run with alt accounts. I can't really justify spending $30-$45 per month on a game that I might play for only 20 hours.
Can CCP look at alternative methods of paying or subscribing to the game? I'd rather go F2P and pay for "premium" content that I can use at my convenience.
All I read was "Boo hoo I'm not a fat nerd who lives in his basement".
We're a very elite group. You're not cool enough to be one of us. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
525
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:58:00 -
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You pay to play Eve? Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
248
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:02:00 -
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I log in for probably 10 minutes a month to change skills, so it's only fair that one PLEX pays for a year gametime for me. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3266
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:05:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I work five days per week and only have maybe 4-6 hours to invest in Eve per week, and only if I want to pew-pew in some spaceships. Some weeks I prefer to spend my time doing something in RL like seeing friends or exercising. Yeah, very atypical of an Eve player.
But it sucks that I have to pay $15 per month, the same amount as a hardcore, basement-dweller who can sink 12+ hours per day into the game. Obviously the basement-dweller is getting much more utility out of his dollars than I am. This especially hurts if you choose to run with alt accounts. I can't really justify spending $30-$45 per month on a game that I might play for only 20 hours.
Can CCP look at alternative methods of paying or subscribing to the game? I'd rather go F2P and pay for "premium" content that I can use at my convenience.
I've ordered a pizza but I'll probably only eat 5 or at most 6 slices out of 8. I should ask for a discount, right? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1457
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:07:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I've ordered a pizza but I'll probably only eat 5 or at most 6 slices out of 8. I should ask for a discount, right?
No, you should ask for the pizza company to pay for postage to ship the remaining slices to Africa or North Korea...
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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DonHel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:26:00 -
[49] - Quote
This topic is a good laugh!
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
205
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:29:00 -
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DonHel wrote:This topic is a good laugh!
Not emptyquoting. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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Kestrix
UV Heavy Industries
7
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:35:00 -
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Yes you pay for a months 'play time' and they only deduct time off this month for time your actually online. Down side is your skills will only train in the time your online as well! As soon as you log off your skill stops training. Where as the normal subbed players skills train 24/7... |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
160
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:46:00 -
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You rent for one month -30h of game time. What you choose to do with that time for the entire month is on you, not the company. And as others have said, you may not be on, but your character is still doing something, especially if he's an indy or marketeer on top of the skill training. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
141
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:46:00 -
[53] - Quote
One of the dumber posts ive read on here, and that's saying something |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
407
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:26:00 -
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Obvious troll OP. I could point out why, but I shouldn't need to. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
520
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:44:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I work five days per week and only have maybe 4-6 hours to invest in Eve per week, and only if I want to pew-pew in some spaceships. Some weeks I prefer to spend my time doing something in RL like seeing friends or exercising. Yeah, very atypical of an Eve player.
But it sucks that I have to pay $15 per month, the same amount as a hardcore, basement-dweller who can sink 12+ hours per day into the game. Obviously the basement-dweller is getting much more utility out of his dollars than I am. This especially hurts if you choose to run with alt accounts. I can't really justify spending $30-$45 per month on a game that I might play for only 20 hours.
Can CCP look at alternative methods of paying or subscribing to the game? I'd rather go F2P and pay for "premium" content that I can use at my convenience. I'm pretty casual. I pay with PLEX. You should try it. You play for free.
If you can't afford it playing casually, get better at making ISK.
...otherwise make sure your billing info is up to date.
tbqh, even if there was no PLEX I'd still pay to play... because like you, I have a job, and it doesn't take THAT long to make 15 bucks even if you are working at taco bell.
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Moolti
Skadi's Call
4
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:51:00 -
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4-6 hours a week... lets call that 20 hours a month... for less than $15.00
less than a dollar an hour... what else can you do that is that cheap? Frell you can't even enjoy a $1 candy bar for an hour. |
baltec1
1028
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:04:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I work five days per week
Try working 7 night shifts in a row and never getting the weekend off. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:09:00 -
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Lazrim wrote:The truth is the OP's argument HAS worked in the past on games like EQ and WoW where the so-called casual player (another name for I suck at this game) complained that they were not experiencing high end content like the better organized (ie people who could make friends in game) players were. They had equal access to the content like all players but over time the specious arguments from players like the op convinced those games devs to make the high end content more accessible to bad players. So you have what you have in those awful games now thanks to players like the op. I don't blame the op for trying since this type of post has worked in the past but his argument is dead in the water here at Eve O because Eve really has no PvE content. (which when you think about it is probably a good thing). OP has just as much access to any place in Eve as anyone else.
Incorrect comparison.
People have asked for such a time system in WoW and it hasn't been introduced. Every time they ask they get told no.
As to your comments. It is called business. The "casual" gamer makes up the vast majority of gamers. As such it is more profitable to cater to them then the so called "hardcore" players. There are three levels of raid and the "casual" one raid finder does not give anywhere near the level of loot as the other two. Shock horror a business changes its' model to suit the largest customer base to make more money. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:11:00 -
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no |
Ai Shun
585
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:15:00 -
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Kalathia Eginald wrote:As to your comments. It is called business. The "casual" gamer makes up the vast majority of gamers. As such it is more profitable to cater to them then the so called "hardcore" players. There are three levels of raid and the "casual" one raid finder does not give anywhere near the level of loot as the other two. Shock horror a business changes its' model to suit the largest customer base to make more money.
It would depend on the game. EVE is not a strictly casual game; it requires more from the players than most other MMOs. It is a niche product and does well in that niche. It is not marketed to the mindless masses. And one would hope that CCP would not sell out on their game just to chase a few dollars. |
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Zircon Dasher
124
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:18:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote: EVE is not a strictly casual game; it requires more from the players than most other MMOs. It is a niche product and does well in that niche. It is not marketed to the mindless masses.
Just a mindless niche? |
Kobal81
Awesome Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:19:00 -
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There is
>>Account management >>Select cancel subscription >>"Reason">> I work 40 hrs a week and need too go to the gym and can't justify spending $40. A month |
Ai Shun
585
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:25:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Ai Shun wrote: EVE is not a strictly casual game; it requires more from the players than most other MMOs. It is a niche product and does well in that niche. It is not marketed to the mindless masses. Just a mindless niche?
You're filling it admirably. |
Zircon Dasher
124
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:32:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Ai Shun wrote: EVE is not a strictly casual game; it requires more from the players than most other MMOs. It is a niche product and does well in that niche. It is not marketed to the mindless masses. Just a mindless niche? You're filling it admirably.
EVE is an MMO so I have to do what I can to fit in.
Go on...... give the like. You know you want to... |
Ai Shun
586
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:38:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Go on...... give the like. You know you want to...
Go on then. Have it. |
Zircon Dasher
125
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:40:00 -
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\o/ |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
591
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Posted - 2012.04.04 23:23:00 -
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The spring is definitely here if two guys on a forum can develop feelings for each other through copious amounts of bad posting. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.04.04 23:30:00 -
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Still worth the sub at even 1.50 per hour. Pretty good entertainment value, really. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
193
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Posted - 2012.04.06 03:24:00 -
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I believe my suggestion is valid. I think if CCP wants to attract new modern gamers, especially women, it'll need to examine alternative subscription or payment methods that caters to casual gamers.
I looked at the fanfest vids and noticed that most attendees were male aged 35+. Nothing wrong with that, except that Eve "Online" will develop a market perception of being old and obsolete, with an anitiquated subscription system that forces players to play. Rather than charge a time-based fee that discriminates against the time-poor, it'll be far more rational for CCP to introduce a USAGE-fee. This measure will eliminate heavy users from freeloading on time-poor, working people like myself.
In otherwords, end freeloading and introduce MT. Make everyone pay their fair share. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
222
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Posted - 2012.04.06 03:29:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I believe my suggestion is valid. I think if CCP wants to attract new modern gamers, especially women, it'll need to examine alternative subscription or payment methods that caters to casual gamers.
I looked at the fanfest vids and noticed that most attendees were male aged 35+. Nothing wrong with that, except that Eve "Online" will develop a market perception of being old and obsolete, with an anitiquated subscription system that forces players to play. Rather than charge a time-based fee that discriminates against the time-poor, it'll be far more rational for CCP to introduce a USAGE-fee. This measure will eliminate heavy users from freeloading on time-poor, working people like myself.
In otherwords, end freeloading and introduce MT. Make everyone pay their fair share.
How about reduced subscription fees for the developmentally disabled, too? With a lower overall mental capacity than the average subscriber, they can't get as much out of the game, either.
The same person should probably get discounts at book stores, electronics stores, and just about every other store to be honest.
The issue here is your sense of value of the game is out of proportion to the investment it entails. Perhaps the investment component you're really missing is time, not money.
In either case, you do not get a discount because, essentially as you're telling us, you're bad at Eve. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
193
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Posted - 2012.04.06 03:44:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:[quote=Kaivar Lancer]
The issue here is your sense of value of the game is out of proportion to the investment it entails. Perhaps the investment component you're really missing is time, not money.
Yes, I am time-poor. Paying $15+ per month when I'm not interested or too busy to play is difficult to justify.
With the current sub system, you pay and play hard for 30 days. It's like living on McDonalds for a month. As a treat it's nice, but you get sick of it if you force yourself to consume it for too long. An MT model would be nice, so I can login whenever I like, and pay for whatever I like.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
224
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Posted - 2012.04.06 03:48:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:[quote=Kaivar Lancer]
The issue here is your sense of value of the game is out of proportion to the investment it entails. Perhaps the investment component you're really missing is time, not money. Yes, I am time-poor. Paying $15+ per month when I'm not interested or too busy to play is difficult to justify. With the current sub system, you pay and play hard for 30 days. It's like living on McDonalds for a month. As a treat it's nice, but you get sick of it if you force yourself to consume it for too long. An MT model would be nice, so I can login whenever I like, and pay for whatever I like.
You can already do that, bro.
Cancel sub. Re-up when it's prudent.
Moderation is key, right? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Arc Typ
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.04.06 04:02:00 -
[73] - Quote
When I first started reading you post I thought you were going to suggest something like an alternative subscription rate of $0.75 per day to play, as opposed to the current $15 per month, but I'm not a fan of the whole free-to-play thing. Especially with the PLEX system, which essentially makes the game free to play if you have the ISK. |
Endeavour Starfleet
790
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Posted - 2012.04.06 04:06:00 -
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Tiberius Amzadee
The Omega Sovereign Flux Initiative
11
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Posted - 2012.04.06 04:50:00 -
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The $14.95 monthly plan x 12 months=$179.40(Provided you used a credit card and no international exchange charges) The yearly plan,$131.40
If you can't save between $14.95 up to $131.40 in one year,your in the wrong job or your priorities are so F'ed up you shouldn't be here. If the latter. Can I have your stuff? |
Ai Shun
605
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Posted - 2012.04.06 07:37:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:[EDIT: Another option which I would entirely support is a Training-Only monthly fee which would be much lower than the standard fee which actually grants access to gameplay, servers, and web content.]
Yes, let's destroy the character bazaar completely. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
238
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Posted - 2012.04.06 07:39:00 -
[77] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:[EDIT: Another option which I would entirely support is a Training-Only monthly fee which would be much lower than the standard fee which actually grants access to gameplay, servers, and web content.] Yes, let's destroy the character bazaar completely.
Nothing, I repeat nothing, beats the bizarre for instant gratification.
It's the holy grail of the Eve Trust Fund Baby.
This feature would enhance its wares. Think about it. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
229
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Posted - 2012.04.06 08:22:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I work five days per week and only have maybe 4-6 hours to invest in Eve per week, and only if I want to pew-pew in some spaceships. Some weeks I prefer to spend my time doing something in RL like seeing friends or exercising. Yeah, very atypical of an Eve player.
But it sucks that I have to pay $15 per month, the same amount as a hardcore, basement-dweller who can sink 12+ hours per day into the game. Obviously the basement-dweller is getting much more utility out of his dollars than I am. This especially hurts if you choose to run with alt accounts. I can't really justify spending $30-$45 per month on a game that I might play for only 20 hours.
Can CCP look at alternative methods of paying or subscribing to the game? I'd rather go F2P and pay for "premium" content that I can use at my convenience.
Think of it like this; how much time for $15 buy you at the cinema or in the bar with your friends? I'll bet both are a lot less than the 20+ hours your spend on EVE for the same money.
Just sayin. If you're in a player corp then war-dec is just something you have to accept is coming with it, regardless of your play-style. ~CCP |
Ai Shun
606
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Posted - 2012.04.06 08:34:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:This feature would enhance its wares. Think about it.
Oh, I don't disagree that it would lead to a massively increased supply. If it is $5 or whatever per account I'd certainly buy a good 10 or so per month. Spend a few months training them and ... well. I can imagine a lot of ISK.
Where's that fellow that was moaning about PLEX being pay to win?
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