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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:01:00 -
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I like asymmetrical Caldari. The retouch to the Raven was great because it really didn't need to be changed much to "fix" it. (although the original hull design looks more like mini carrier than BS to me but that's moot) The Scorpion however was just plain silly. Mainly the tail to center-mass connection was a sheet of cardboard. And while it now beautifully fits its namesake. I just wish the pirate version modified the structure more. The new Manticore is a nice blend of symmetry and do-dads like the Naga.
My only hope for the Manticore and Kestrel is that they don't add stupid blinky lights all over it that does not match the skin like how it is currently. |
Orator de Umbras
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:07:00 -
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Too bad this is only a side-project of the artists. (If I heard correctly.)
To CCP's Artists:
You may also want to think about internal layout of the ships, when thinking of ship redesigns.
If ever you implement your future vision in it's full glory, we'll want to walk around our actual ships. Would help if the interiors matched the shape of the hull.
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
176
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:10:00 -
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Orator de Umbras wrote:Too bad this is only a side-project of the artists. (If I heard correctly.)
To CCP's Artists:
You may also want to think about internal layout of the ships, when thinking of ship redesigns.
If ever you implement your future vision in it's full glory, we'll want to walk around our actual ships. Would help if the interiors matched the shape of the hull.
If you look at the manticore preview it has a tiny person that looks like a speck for scale on the left side. I think they have plenty of space to work with within even a frigate whenever they get to their future vision. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
61
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:17:00 -
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Solhild wrote:New Nemesis is fantastic - I support changing all Gallente ships to fit this aesthetic. I trained Amarr frigate to V so I NEVER have to look at a Helios in my hanger again. "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
137
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:21:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Solhild wrote:New Nemesis is fantastic - I support changing all Gallente ships to fit this aesthetic. I trained Amarr frigate to V so I NEVER have to look at a Helios in my hanger again.
The old Maulus-Helios or the Imicus-Helios? http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
10
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:22:00 -
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Dr Prometheus wrote:Semi offtopic; but i wonder how a drake will look like, as its current design doesnt allow the missile turrets.
I always took this things sticking up from the sides as recessed missile bays. I figured that is what missiles would look like, fixed launchers with the missles flying in whatever direction they need to go. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
3
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:22:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote: I understand how the mechanics in EVE don't allow for coaxial guns and ships having only eight 'maximum-size' turret slots possible, but this can't be an excuse to not make the ships look like they are actually built around their weapon-systems.
While I get your point, ands don't disagree, I ought to point out that modern warships even today hardly show much of their undeniably deadly weapons systems, so the artists can be forgiven a bit.
Observe: http://www.fas.org/man//dod-101/sys/ship/ddg82-3.gif
Where are the weapons..? Only the CWIS and the 5-inch gun are obvious. Invisible are the 90 VLS cells, loaded with all maner of nastiness. Nor can you see the Harpoon launchers, the torpedo tubes, or the ASW helos (or drones, as things are progressing).
Only the sensors are really visible, aside from the 5-inch mount (which is arguably very much a secondary weapon).
Anyway, agree that the new designs are pretty tasty. |
The Snowman
Aliastra Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:28:00 -
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I think the _Gallente_ Stealth bomber is the best looking ship because its quite radically different from typical gallente design, the other bombers follow their established design protocols and while they look nice, they arnt as spectacular.
I wonder if other ships will get unique skins or is it just because of the turrets that they changed the bombers.
I for one would love to see a new skin for Marauders or black ops....CCP could show us what they are REALLY capable of! :D |
Rashmika Clavain
Revelation Space
6
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:31:00 -
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I was wondering if they'd redesign the Stealth Bomber to take into account launcher turrets. |
Orator de Umbras
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:37:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:If you look at the manticore preview it has a tiny person that looks like a speck for scale on the left side. I think they have plenty of space to work with within even a frigate whenever they get to their future vision.
Yeah, I've seen even the early WiS videos that demonstrate the humongous scale between even a cruiser and your avatar, but I think it still warrants consideration.
You don't just need room inside the ship to design interiors, but you have to match what is seen outside, with what is inside.
If the 3D ship model / texture, has a 3 story high window, you should have a 3 story high window on the inside as well.
Get my point?
Rashmika Clavain wrote:I was wondering if they'd redesign the Stealth Bomber to take into account launcher turrets.
One of their presentations showed the bomb launcher "turret" always being mounted on the underside of the bomber, so I'm sure they are taking that into account. |
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:07:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:The old Maulus-Helios or the Imicus-Helios? Considering I'm only a year old, which do you think?
I doubt CCP would go back to the Maulus look; you should see their "I'm taking a ****" mock-ups for a new Helios... "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
killorbekilled TBE
Dare Bears
37
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:10:00 -
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i hope the team behind the new models of ships including the maller re do all the other ships (that need redoing of course) huh? |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
137
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:15:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Tobiaz wrote:The old Maulus-Helios or the Imicus-Helios? Considering I'm only a year old, which do you think? I doubt CCP would go back to the Maulus look; you should see their "I'm taking a ****" mock-ups for a new Helios...
I've seen most of the feed from fanfest, but I can't remember seeing much of the new stuff. What part is it from?
edit: NM I found it. That new Imicus is HORRIBLE!!!! WFT is CCP smoking there?
http://imgur.com/a/KFuhX#7
They should just at least keep the slanted design! Jeez! http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
61
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:17:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:I've seen most of the feed from fanfest, but I can't remember seeing much of the new stuff. What part is it from? There's a picture floating around somewhere of an Imicus hull with two "legs". It's pretty disturbing. "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1454
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:21:00 -
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Orator de Umbras wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:If you look at the manticore preview it has a tiny person that looks like a speck for scale on the left side. I think they have plenty of space to work with within even a frigate whenever they get to their future vision. Yeah, I've seen even the early WiS videos that demonstrate the humongous scale between even a cruiser and your avatar, but I think it still warrants consideration. You don't just need room inside the ship to design interiors, but you have to match what is seen outside, with what is inside. If the 3D ship model / texture, has a 3 story high window, you should have a 3 story high window on the inside as well. Get my point? Rashmika Clavain wrote:I was wondering if they'd redesign the Stealth Bomber to take into account launcher turrets. One of their presentations showed the bomb launcher "turret" always being mounted on the underside of the bomber, so I'm sure they are taking that into account.
Interesting.
Well, if the bomb launcher is always going to be mounted on the bottom of the hull then the Nemesis will certainly look.... happy to be there. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
521
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:24:00 -
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I agree with OP.
It's not rocket surgery. |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
50
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:25:00 -
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ME GUSTA. |
Selinate
794
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:36:00 -
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Don't stop here, a sizable portion of the ships still need complete redesign in order to not look like a malignant tumor... |
Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:53:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:The Caldari ship is great but far too symetrical. I prefer the asymetric and almost semi-modular designs like the raven moa kestrel blackbird and condor. Caldari and Minmatarr should be largely asymmetrical.
Hell No... I am tried of asymmetrical ships that look like a 3 year old was playing with some Legos.
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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group Ayn Sof Aur
63
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:54:00 -
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Wow the amarr SB looks like a ******* grub now... |
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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:02:00 -
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Yeah I have to agree that ships look better with the purpose behind them designed in. Kinda like an A-10 was a planet built around the gun; not the other way around.
More ships designed/redesigned with their role might not be such a bad thing. (Especially cruisers) |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1454
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:04:00 -
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supersexysucker wrote:Wow the amarr SB looks like a ******* grub now...
In Amarr space, the grubs turn over rocks to look for YOU. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
111
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:12:00 -
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My favorite thing is that they are doing something never done before on their ships, especially since the ability to choose turret location. That is the bomb launcher. They showed how the bomb launcher has a very specific bomb location, and it will only show there. The underbelly of course of the hull. This is a very cool idea and hope to see it implemented more with specialty equipment.
Now the other point brought up is how the new models look on the ships. I do have to call out on the prophecy hull with launchers, ie the damnation. The big and boxy launchers look terrible in the demo video on the wingtips like that. Hopefully the gunpoints get moved with V3, or some other styling changes on the damnation specific so they don't look so bad. |
Hesidak Uroboroon
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:33:00 -
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I honestly think that almost all ships need a redesign. some like the megathron, hyperion, scorpion, maller, talos and other pretty ones should get minor tweaks to make them more centered around the weapons. Then there's the moa, apocalypse, typhoon, cyclone, incursus and many many others that just need to be scrapped and started over. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
178
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:37:00 -
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Hesidak Uroboroon wrote:I honestly think that almost all ships need a redesign. some like the megathron, hyperion, scorpion, maller, talos and other pretty ones should get minor tweaks to make them more centered around the weapons. Then there's the moa, apocalypse, typhoon, cyclone, incursus and many many others that just need to be scrapped and started over.
Scorpion is just fine. specially when its weapon system is ecm and a bunch of antennas. What should be changed is the Rattlesnake. That should have a unique hull. |
Hesidak Uroboroon
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:38:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Hesidak Uroboroon wrote:I honestly think that almost all ships need a redesign. some like the megathron, hyperion, scorpion, maller, talos and other pretty ones should get minor tweaks to make them more centered around the weapons. Then there's the moa, apocalypse, typhoon, cyclone, incursus and many many others that just need to be scrapped and started over. Scorpion is just fine. specially when its weapon system is ecm and a bunch of antennas. What should be changed is the Rattlesnake. That should have a unique hull.
agreed, and i cant stand how the blood raider frig and cruiser are original but the bs is a geddon hull
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1454
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:39:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Hesidak Uroboroon wrote:I honestly think that almost all ships need a redesign. some like the megathron, hyperion, scorpion, maller, talos and other pretty ones should get minor tweaks to make them more centered around the weapons. Then there's the moa, apocalypse, typhoon, cyclone, incursus and many many others that just need to be scrapped and started over. Scorpion is just fine. specially when its weapon system is ecm and a bunch of antennas. What should be changed is the Rattlesnake. That should have a unique hull.
Yes, pirate hulls should emphasis weapon placement, Navy hulls should look thicker and more resilient.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:49:00 -
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Best designed so far?
That honour goes to the old Heliosmodel, aka, the CreodronMaulus.
Look at it!
Phwoar!
*Does a Vic Reeves and rubs thighs*
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Oberine Noriepa
582
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:50:00 -
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I hope this means Heavy Assault Cruisers will get redesigned in the same fashion. It would be nice if the Ishtar received a Nemesis equivalent upgrade for its design. |
Hesidak Uroboroon
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:50:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Hesidak Uroboroon wrote:I honestly think that almost all ships need a redesign. some like the megathron, hyperion, scorpion, maller, talos and other pretty ones should get minor tweaks to make them more centered around the weapons. Then there's the moa, apocalypse, typhoon, cyclone, incursus and many many others that just need to be scrapped and started over. Scorpion is just fine. specially when its weapon system is ecm and a bunch of antennas. What should be changed is the Rattlesnake. That should have a unique hull. Yes, pirate hulls should emphasis weapon placement, Navy hulls should look thicker and more resilient.
Yes, pirate hulls should have a more aggressive, strange and almost alien appearence, like the angel ships |
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