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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:27:00 -
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Well Marksalot, firstly I do acknowledge the effort you made in addressing the post rather than simply slurring out personal attacks and ooc harassment like many of your fellows, so points for that.
For what itGÇÖs worth I too have never really believed in the ad hominem fallacy as a debating sacred cow. Sometimes it really is appropriate to attack the credibility of the person making the argument GÇô particularly on an internet forum where so many GÇ£argumentsGÇ¥ are actually rather cowardly deployments via alts and sock-puppets. By default (to my eyes) the argument of a person posting with their main and established Eve identity is more valid than the argument of an alt or cloaked identity because of the courage of convictions / standing up to be counted thing. Throwaway alts lead to throwaway opinions and hence ad hominem GÇ£you donGÇÖt count because you are an altGÇ¥ does have some credence.
Now then, you begin by hinting that just because IGÇÖm referencing a smallish subgroup (1-4) of Goons with the worst behaviour IGÇÖm being unfair to categorize the whole by their misdeeds. Problem is these few do set the tone for the average goon member. Many if not most goons are simply uncreative / unimaginative followers. They use the goon-wiki and other internal sources to inform their behaviour.
One of the GÇ£1-4 mouthbreathing unwashed basement dwelling poison-pen spewing self-hating cybernerdsGÇ¥ (you acknowledge do exist in Goonswarm) simply needs to post an Eve enemies real life picture beside accusation of child-abuse on your wiki GÇô and thousands of others will repeat this accusation by uncritical repetition and unconscious peer-pressure. Hence the 1-4 GÇ£worst examplesGÇ¥ of your community will inevitably come to be the leading opinion-makers and will beat the drum for the thousand footsoldiers behind.
You go on to misrepresent my next line, claiming I have said that CCP will GÇ£turn offGÇ¥ pvp GÇ£because of goonsGÇ¥ which is not what IGÇÖve said at all. Nor have I said that goons are the only people that e-stalk people.
What I have said is that goons are the poster-children for e-stalking and extreme metagaming of out of game attacks. Currently we have an issue going up in the assembly hall for CSM members to have anonymity through fear of cyber-stalking (largely perpetrated by goons) because of the understanding (born from assessment of SA culture) that anything posted on the internet is a valid weapon against an enemy (including oneGÇÖs RL name, photograph, contact details and RL address.)
GoonGÇÖs very much popularized e-stalking in eve online. The smoske signatures mocking a rl playerGÇÖs death. The lady scarlet harassment campaign to drive an enemy corp leader from the game, even the constant GÇ£e-prostituteGÇ¥ allegations made against me to this day. Your leader GÇ£MittaniGÇ¥ in his Ten Ton hammer column has gloried in the metagamed destruction of foes out of game (mocking SirMolle's blue collar job as a heating repairman for example) and he (mittani) quite understands the role that harassment and bullying against the player fills in these endeavours.
When I say that Eve risks getting GÇ£over-sanitizedGÇ¥ as a knee-jerk response to Goon misbehaviour the kind of thing I mean is this:
IGÇÖm a roleplayer in this game. My character is not me. Your character is not you. I play a radical anarchist guerrilla/terrorist with an agenda to undermine nationalist imperialism in New Eden (the game world we play in). A large part of my roleplay used to be psychological warfare against in-character leaders and organizations delivered by public propaganda and local chat channels. Once upon a time IGÇÖd have been quite happy telling the Caldari nationalist CEO of a statist corp to GÇ£end himselfGÇ¥ or GÇ£commit corporate seppuku to assuage the shame of his cowardice in warGÇ¥. This was an adult roleplaying game and adult themes of death and murder and intrigue were acceptable.
But because your leader GÇ£MittaniGÇ¥ doesnGÇÖt believe Eve is a roleplaying game. And because Goons have taken the GÇ£kill yourselfGÇ¥ meme to the extreme of trying to harass a target player to suicide on-stage at fanfest on live internet feeds. Now the impact is that I wouldnGÇÖt dare to say such a thing even in roleplay because the chances are that Eve GMGÇÖs have become supersensitive to this terminology and will use the GÇ£RP is not a cloak for bullyingGÇ¥ term of the EULA to warn and ban me simply for roleplaying Jade the anarchist terrorist against statist government.
This is a tiny single example of goonswarm ruining an aspect of the game by undermining the notion of roleplay separation between player and character. You guys donGÇÖt believe in this separation GÇô so you donGÇÖt believe anyone else should. Your culture doesnGÇÖt allow difference, its your way or the high way, and the consequence is that you will push matters to extremes by using this kind of threat against the player (which is e-harassment) in order to have the language sanitized by CCP in knee-jerk response.
Then we are back to the GÇ£this one time doesnGÇÖt matterGÇ¥ / GÇ£it was just that one timeGÇ¥ thing.
You acknowledge that members of the goonswarm attempted RL harassment / e-bullying against my RL identity. But it doesnGÇÖt matter (to you) because it was GÇ£just this one timeGÇ¥ and it was GÇ£some other goon wot did itGÇ¥.
Fine, so why donGÇÖt YOU go and do what you can to separate yourself from this behaviour by removing my RL picture (and associated abuse) from the goonwiki which you have access too? CanGÇÖt be bothered? Or perhaps itGÇÖs because you agree with the notion of metagaming a RL personal attack against an GÇ£enemy player.GÇ¥ See how quickly the GÇ£its some other guyGÇ¥ becomes something you can be held responsible for.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:27:00 -
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You state boldly that GÇ£nobody buysGÇ¥ that a likely consequence of Goonswarm cyberbullying will be that somebody ends up dead.
Why? Its not like vulnerable people have not already committed suicide on the internet to the mocking cries of cyber-bullying is it? There have been examples. I recall a guy killing himself live on skype while the chatroom trolls urged him on reaching the newspapers a couple of years ago.
And I say to you that some of the things that go on in Eve Online originating from Goonswarm are pretty damned terrible. The fact that nobody from Eve has yet (to our knowledge) topped themselves over your abuse is probably a credit to the fact that Eve players ARE pretty tough customers on average. I mean IGÇÖve put up with five years of constant abuse and harassment from goons and IGÇÖm listed as one of the ancient archetypal foes of your organization on your internal wiki. The volume of hatred and frenzy coming out of your guys is astonishing sometimes. I had friends in this game say to me. "Are you SURE you want to go to fanfest aren't you afraid some goon will try and knife you?" (fortunately I'm well most goons are far less bite than bark).
But CCP wants this game to grow. They want to introduce new players to the universe of New Eden. Dust 514 will bring a younger audience. Expansion will involve diluting the GÇ£hard as nailsGÇ¥ community of Eve with some softer-core arrivals from elsewhere.
You only have to look at comments and reactions to Eve scandal stories in the wider gaming press to see the naked horror a lot of these people see for the e-harassment and cyber-bullying that Goonswarm rejoices in to understand a clash of cultures is coming and sooner or later some ordinary gamer is going to harassed into doing something stupid and regrettable by Goons spamming pictures of his or her photoshopped face book profile picture in 0.0 local.
As for Something Awful forums. Yes, I have looked at them. I have read the Goonswarm Specific threads and seen Eve Goons talking about their community there and how much they despise the game and non goon (pubbie) community of Eve Online.
IGÇÖve seen casual racist and sexist epithets, IGÇÖve seen people urged to suicide, self-harm, self-destruction. IGÇÖve seen MittaniGÇÖs wife trying to justify his behaviour, IGÇÖve seen various goon-columnists mocking the gaming sites they write for and acting astonished at the way they are getting roasted in the feedback comments to those articles.
IGÇÖve seen the nonsense strategizing over a counterattack vs Massively and Rock Paper Shotgun up to and including legal threats against anyone prepared to use the name Gianturco and term Cyberbully in the same sentence. Really its quite astonishing how truly "out there" the various lawyers and investment bankers and real estate agents writing for SA can be.
The difference between 4chan and Something Awful is that the 4chanGÇÖrs know they are absurd and revel in their lack of morality and taste. The Eve SA community by contrast believes itGÇÖs better than anyone else and justifies its e-harassment and online bullying by claimed internet-aristocracy and assumed intellectual superiority. 4chanGÇÖrs are gutter punks really. But SA Goons are trust fund fraternity cliques who want to take their casual racism and hateful rhetoric into government (in this case Eve CSM) hence the amazing outpouring of angsty entitlement rage that attended Mittani's removal.
And finally, really, you link to your great leaderGÇÖs Ten Ton hammer column for evidence of a non-goonGÇÖs e-stalking. Hardly a reputable independent source is it? Right now Ten Ton hammer is getting urged to cancel that column because its readers are annoyed at seeing a Cyber-bully using their site as a bully-pulpit to beat on his player enemies.
But who knows really if Evil Thug really did pay a Russian Ninja to sabotage a power bloc? We all have apocryphal stories of ancient eve history after all. But the reality weGÇÖre talking about is current and contemporary, the continuing behaviour of Goonswarm inspired by your leader and reflected in the content of your posting brigade and Goonswarm Wiki.
I am quite sure that other non-goons have done some terrible things in the history of Eve Online. But IGÇÖm also sure that no other organization has done as much to glorify the casual abuse and continual harassment and e-stalking/e-bullying of other eve players, as Goonswarm has to this date.
Ultimately the situation is not tenable. Not for the Eve player base, not for CCP, and not for the future agenda of an improving and widening game universe. The consequence of Goonswarm continuing an unrepentant and unreformed agenda of e-harrassment is going to be a rapid GÇ£pussificationGÇ¥ of the game universe that your leader spoke of in his last address.
He knows this, thatGÇÖs why he wants to push it to a confrontation so heGÇÖll end up having justification to quit with what he perceives to be the high moral ground of being GÇ£unfairly censuredGÇ¥ by CCP. IGÇÖm sure thatGÇÖll be the victory for him and his wife in the long term. "Eve Online burns itself because of goons LOL!"
But the victims will be the hardcore Eve players pvpers, roleplayers, psychological warriors, plotters and schemers in this game universe who will find the sandbox a little more restrictive because CCP knee-jerked to protect their reputation and profit line for the future of their employees and shareholders.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:34:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Or are you planning to usurp my ability to post because i dont fullfill your reqiurements of purity of race/worthy RPing name? No I'd just like you to post with your main rather than hiding behind a fake posting identity (most likely because your main got banned for rl-harrassing other eve players). So now you are accusing me of being cyberbully? Yes/not or stfu pls... Everyone can see your registration date. Your posting history is public knowledge. You have made 28 posts (of 29) in the period since Mittani got banned. You post identically to any of thousand random goon trolls and you are clearly using this identity to continue the nonsense you began on another character. Your posts are generally one-liner insults and its clear you don't care if this character gets banned either. Its the scattergun approach of e-harrassment and forum cyber bullying really. You derail other threads and try to wind up people so they get their own more valuable posting identities with some actual reputation endangered by engaging with you. So sure, its a strategy you are using. Bravo. But it doesn't really fool anyone. So okay, you are accusing me of being cyberbully just because you checked my posting history,and while doing so you forgot to check my employment history and i started posting here after Mr. Mittens ban simply because i joined cfc where posting on forums is endorsed after mittens ban and in my before corp and alliance posting here was looking down and "not supported" Also you are not claiming that only I am cyberbully,but that all the GS and CFC are cyberbullies?8k persons are cyberbullies simply that some of them are on forums you despise? And if you try to answer my questions (if you try it for first time...) can you tell me if you really think that your thoughts are rational or you can admit that you are driven by irrational hate?
Post with your main and I'll be happy to debate with you.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:38:00 -
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As i just proved i am posting with my main,but you in your fanatical blind rage towards cfc still try to dismiss it and valid points in my posts...
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:43:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:As i just proved i am posting with my main,but you in your fanatical blind rage towards cfc still try to dismiss it and valid points in my posts...
Rofl. There is no prove this is your main. The fact you want to discuss things that happened way way before you joined the game in a manner asif you have any clue as what it's about alone indicates the opposite.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:47:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:As i just proved i am posting with my main,but you in your fanatical blind rage towards cfc still try to dismiss it and valid points in my posts...
Rofl. There is no prove this is your main. The fact you want to discuss things that happened way way before you joined the game in a manner asif you have any clue as what it's about alone indicates the opposite.
Here's a man that gets it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:50:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:As i just proved i am posting with my main,but you in your fanatical blind rage towards cfc still try to dismiss it and valid points in my posts...
Rofl. There is no prove this is your main. The fact you want to discuss things that happened way way before you joined the game in a manner asif you have any clue as what it's about alone indicates the opposite. Here's a man that gets it.
There is man who is lucky to use discussion figure of rebuttal. Why cant i know event of past if i am interested in history of eveand okay to use forum searching and blog digging to get known with it?Just because players like you dont wish me to be too clever?WHY they wish it?Because its easire to spread the hate amongst uninformed... |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:56:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote: Why cant i know event of past if i am interested in history of eveand okay to use forum searching and blog digging to get known with it?
Then here is a suggestion to you. If you want to sound like a player who is NOT posting on a disaposable forum alt then try addressing other people's posts rather than making stupid little snipes and trying weak second hand goon trolling memes.
A few posts above there is a substantive reply I made to a goonswarm player. By all means go and make a cup of tea, clear your thoughts, then come back and read it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:59:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:
There is man who is lucky to use discussion figure of rebuttal. Why cant i know event of past if i am interested in history of eveand okay to use forum searching and blog digging to get known with it?Just because players like you dont wish me to be too clever?WHY they wish it?Because its easire to spread the hate amongst uninformed...
The whole " I am interested in EVE history and then your posting suggests clearly where you have been searching and which blogs you have been digging in. You did a one sided research and formed your opinion on that.
I would applaud it if the average EVE player would attempt to become clever, but even more so if they would attempt to be well informed. And on the topic of spreading hate amongst the uninformed you should really work a bit to get the whole story. I am sure you grasp what I am implying there. Now are you clever and know how to do the work to find the information I am hinting to and are you intelligent enough to form your own opinion after finding the whole story and not only the parts you were looking for.
It's easy to look at history as it is dished out to you, but remember, history is written by those who won. But the ones that lost also have a history, but it's easier to forget that.
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:08:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote: Why cant i know event of past if i am interested in history of eveand okay to use forum searching and blog digging to get known with it?
Then here is a suggestion to you. If you want to sound like a player who is NOT posting on a disaposable forum alt then try addressing other people's posts rather than making stupid little snipes and trying weak second hand goon trolling memes. A few posts above there is a substantive reply I made to a goonswarm player. By all means go and make a cup of tea, clear your thoughts, then come back and read it.
Well,your "substantive reply" is in fact nothing else than proof of your mental unstability,shows that you are either not able to work with infomational sources or that you are willingly bending tem,shows that you are bearin irrational haterd towards all members of some internet communities and you in fact bears atleast ambivalent feelings towards eve online |
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:09:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:
There is man who is lucky to use discussion figure of rebuttal. Why cant i know event of past if i am interested in history of eveand okay to use forum searching and blog digging to get known with it?Just because players like you dont wish me to be too clever?WHY they wish it?Because its easire to spread the hate amongst uninformed...
The whole " I am interested in EVE history and then your posting suggests clearly where you have been searching and which blogs you have been digging in. You did a one sided research and formed your opinion on that. I would applaud it if the average EVE player would attempt to become clever, but even more so if they would attempt to be well informed. And on the topic of spreading hate amongst the uninformed you should really work a bit to get the whole story. I am sure you grasp what I am implying there. Now are you clever and know how to do the work to find the information I am hinting to and are you intelligent enough to form your own opinion after finding the whole story and not only the parts you were looking for. It's easy to look at history as it is dished out to you, but remember, history is written by those who won. But the ones that lost also have a history, but it's easier to forget that.
So,i didnt even stated my sources,but i am goon so they have to be wrong...
Tell me about factual mistakes again,its so cute... |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:41:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Well,your "substantive reply" is in fact nothing else than proof of your mental unstability,shows that you are either not able to work with infomational sources or that you are willingly bending tem,shows that you are bearin irrational haterd towards all members of some internet communities and you in fact bears atleast ambivalent feelings towards eve online
Right so "mr I'm a real player not a goon troll alt" it takes you about half a dozen words to start talking about mental instability. Well lets compare RL-peens shall we.
Whats known about the player behind Jade Constantine. Professionally successful, confident public speaker, adept at dealing with journalists and the press, capable of running a successful CSM campaign and defeating the goonswarm candidates in the polls. Beyond that your comrades have discovered I have a Master of Arts degree in English Literature alongside significant professional qualifications. Add that to a iron-cast ego that has survived over five years of personal attacks and rl-harrassment from goonswarm and you end up with the image of a capable Englishman who is quite capable of obliterating a forum-only speck like you in the time it takes to boil a cup of tea.
And whats known about the player behind "PleaseDONTblow MyShip"?
Well you started posting on the forums the day after Mittani was banned. Your forum output has been in trolling various Jita and general discussion threads in service of goonswarm. You are pretty bad at english (but perhaps thats a second or third language so we'll leave that aside.) You know nothing about eve history beyond that written in the goon wiki and you idolize Mittani for his RL accomplishments without actually knowing if whats been written is actually true in any regard. I don't think its much of a stretch to assume you are a teenage american boy posting on the forums between bouts of skipping language lessons whose major educational resource in the world is SA MMO HMO.
So thats the argumentum ad hominem segment of the rebuttle.
You go on to cite the goonwiki and Mittani's Ten Ton hammer column as an "informational source" to I must reply with a hearty LOL.
Before rolling on your back and whining "omg you irrationally hate me111!111".
I don't irrationally hate anyone mr "mr I'm a real player not a goon troll alt".
I dislike people who cheat at games either by breaking the rules or by using out of game metagamed attacks against the players. I don't like people who fix fights, who rig horse-races, who steal elections either.
I have absolutely no problem with goons who actually play this game as a game.
I don't mind suicide ganking, I don't mind their scamming. I don't mind their blobs and generally nonsense in 0.0. I don't mind their videos, their in-game propaganda or their roleplaying as humanoid bees in furry costumes. Whatever really. None of that stuff is a problem.
What I condemn is the instinct that leads goonswarm to target players out of character for RL harrassment and attempts at bullying because goonswarm itself is too lazy, too innept, too incapable to actually bring a genuine gameplay threat within the rules of Eve Online.
I'm listed as one of the greatest enemies of Goons in Eve on your internal wiki. Why then in five years have I never lost a single ship to Goonswarm?
You have to admit thats a bit pathetic. It's not like I haven't lost around 22b isk in ships to practically every other entity in the game at various points!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:07:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote: So,i didnt even stated my sources,but i am goon so they have to be wrong...
Tell me about factual mistakes again,its so cute...
Your constant evasive maneuvering from the point at hand is sheer dumbness. You present nothing new outside of the socalled CFC state of mind. Your relevance is clear now.
None whatsoever.
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Selene Evgenia
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.10 19:38:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:I'm listed as one of the greatest enemies of Goons in Eve on your internal wiki.
You have a gimmick article listed in the "drama" section under "stupid ****" with the warning, I quote: "Don't read any of his posts or you will lose IQ."
This may come as a surprise to you, but like most wikis, ours can be edited by anyone with an account, and the existence of an article does not particularly convey any significance, implied or otherwise. You are not, as you have so eloquently stated, "one of the greatest enemies of Goons"
Killer Gandry wrote:Your constant evasive maneuvering from the point at hand is sheer dumbness. You present nothing new outside of the socalled CFC state of mind. Your relevance is clear now.
None whatsoever.
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:43:00 -
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So Jade
Lets sum the facts:
If someone is acting like cyberbully,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is promoting/endorsing constant harrasment and belittening of its members). If someone presents danger to eve,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is promoting approach which in its ends leads to much less subscribers) If someone has RL problems,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who obviously totally lacks the social intelligence and have too big ego to admit that he isnt the biggest enemy of anything) If someone is obviously lying,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is trying to ignore all the work of csm7/6 or whatever even distantly joined with anyone from CFC while promoting your zero direct results and influence) If someone loses touch with reality and concept of the game,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is argumenting with age of your character and your killboard and who mixes your RL achievement with those in game) If someone is really disgusting towards new players,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is promoting RP and space brothels)
And after this all,you still act as you have some moral high grounds above us.
Can i ask you some intimate question: How does it feel to be such a hypocrite? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1917
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:55:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone is acting like cyberbully,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is promoting/endorsing constant harrasment and belittening of its members).
Just because you are rolling on your back and crying like a little girl because you lost a forum argument hardly means that you are being cyber-bullied.
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone has RL problems,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who obviously totally lacks the social intelligence and have too big ego to admit that he isnt the biggest enemy of anything)
I thought we'd established that I was quite secure in my RL ego while you are the person posting with a ridiculously named alt.
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone is obviously lying,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is trying to ignore all the work of csm7/6 or whatever even distantly joined with anyone from CFC while promoting your zero direct results and influence)
I think CSM 6 tried its best to warn Eve of the dangers of the Incarna approach. I think some of CSM 7 also worked quite hard. I happen to disagree with Mittani's approach to chairing CSM 7 however and I think the loss of transparency and accountability during his tenure was very poor.
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone loses touch with reality and concept of the game,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is argumenting with age of your character and your killboard and who mixes your RL achievement with those in game)
On the contrary I was merely showing you the consequence of ad hominen argumentation. When you make it about the person having the argument you can't expect not to be criticised yourself for posting with a ridiculous anonymous alt.
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone is really disgusting towards new players,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is promoting RP and space brothels)
I believe a senior goon has already let the cat out of the bag on the space brothels bull (ie it never happened) but continue to smear nonsense in the manner of an incontinent squid trying desperately to avoid a superior combatent.
Your arguments and trolls are null at this point. Feel free to roll another forum alt and try again.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Lorem Ipsum Eriker
Cult of Escobar Broken Toys
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:20:00 -
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Quote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone loses touch with reality and concept of the game,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is argumenting with age of your character and your killboard and who mixes your RL achievement with those in game) On the contrary I was merely showing you the consequence of ad hominen argumentation. When you make it about the person having the argument you can't expect not to be criticised yourself for posting with a ridiculous anonymous alt.
ridiculously-named: yes, alt: no. This guy flew with us for quite a while. Who's making the ad hominem argument then? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1921
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:50:00 -
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Lorem Ipsum Eriker wrote:Quote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone loses touch with reality and concept of the game,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is argumenting with age of your character and your killboard and who mixes your RL achievement with those in game) On the contrary I was merely showing you the consequence of ad hominen argumentation. When you make it about the person having the argument you can't expect not to be criticised yourself for posting with a ridiculous anonymous alt. ridiculously-named: yes, alt: no. This guy flew with us for quite a while. Who's making the ad hominem argument then?
We both were. I was simply demonstrating that I am much better at it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:51:00 -
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Lorem Ipsum Eriker wrote:Quote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone loses touch with reality and concept of the game,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is argumenting with age of your character and your killboard and who mixes your RL achievement with those in game) On the contrary I was merely showing you the consequence of ad hominen argumentation. When you make it about the person having the argument you can't expect not to be criticised yourself for posting with a ridiculous anonymous alt. ridiculously-named: yes, alt: no. This guy flew with us for quite a while. Who's making the ad hominem argument then?
Hes not argumenting at all lorem,hes just showing us the consequences...
And you are my alt for sure :) |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:54:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:i'm not threatened in the slightest you big baby, i just don't care to reply to another jade constantine "goons are bad" post and would like to examine the reasons underneath your unhealthy obsession :)
He has explained why he doesn't like the goons. He has indicated they are publishing real life pictures of him with false accusations that he commits sex crimes with children. They are sending this to his employers because of some sort of internet spaceship grudge.
And you are still asking him why he doesn't like the goons?
Its funny that you never really deny this is happening.
You say its unfortunate, but you still remain with that group. I mean if the SA community as a whole was remotely normal they wouldn't stand for that.
Yet you remain with them and continue to try to dodge the problems with your "community."
Is SA doing anything to change how they act? If not, they are going to be criticized on the forums.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.10 22:08:00 -
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Cearain wrote:VCBee 180 wrote:i'm not threatened in the slightest you big baby, i just don't care to reply to another jade constantine "goons are bad" post and would like to examine the reasons underneath your unhealthy obsession :) He has explained why he doesn't like the goons. He has indicated they are publishing real life pictures of him with false accusations that he commits sex crimes with children. They are sending this to his employers because of some sort of internet spaceship grudge. And you are still asking him why he doesn't like the goons? Its funny that you never really deny this is happening. You say its unfortunate, but you still remain with that group. I mean if the SA community as a whole was remotely normal they wouldn't stand for that. Yet you remain with them and continue to try to dodge the problems with your "community." Is SA doing anything to change how they act? If not, they are going to be criticized on the forums. He explained that he doesnt like goons because publishing of publicly aviable pictures of him with mocking commentary of his looks before.Goons are sending nothing to noone because internet spaceships,but youcan ask Darious Johnson how does it feel when some pubbie decide that its good time to do it.Or maybe you can ask Mittens how it is when another pubbie decide that your wife should be raped and your dog killed.Or just maybe you can ask Jade why is this okay with him while he is so terrified by the fact that someone mocked him....
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.10 22:09:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lorem Ipsum Eriker wrote:Quote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone loses touch with reality and concept of the game,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is argumenting with age of your character and your killboard and who mixes your RL achievement with those in game) On the contrary I was merely showing you the consequence of ad hominen argumentation. When you make it about the person having the argument you can't expect not to be criticised yourself for posting with a ridiculous anonymous alt. ridiculously-named: yes, alt: no. This guy flew with us for quite a while. Who's making the ad hominem argument then? We both were. I was simply demonstrating that I am much better at it.
There is big difference between using speech figure as tool of discussion and using it as tool of evading discussion (which is exactly what you did) |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.04.10 22:38:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:He explained that he doesnt like goons because publishing of publicly aviable pictures of him with mocking commentary of his looks before.
Accusing a person of sex-crimes with children is not "mocking commentary" and if you think it is then you are a flapping mentalist.
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Goons are sending nothing to noone because internet spaceships,
More senior goons than you have acknowledged this happened.
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:but youcan ask Darious Johnson how does it feel when some pubbie decide that its good time to do it.Or maybe you can ask Mittens how it is when another pubbie decide that your wife should be raped and your dog killed.
Well I have payed a fair degree of interest to the characters involved in the RL address and "**** wagon" scandal. The former was clearly banned. The latter has been logging in continually since. As for dog killing, I've never seen any real substance of that allegation. I'm sure somebody is crazy enough to threaten it as people were crazy enough to write to my work address with stupid allegations. But are you really arguing that two wrongs make a right here?
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Or just maybe you can ask Jade why is this okay with him while he is so terrified by the fact that someone mocked him....
Learn to read.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.04.10 22:55:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:He explained that he doesnt like goons because publishing of publicly aviable pictures of him with mocking commentary of his looks before.Goons are sending nothing to noone because internet spaceships,but youcan ask Darious Johnson how does it feel when some pubbie decide that its good time to do it.Or maybe you can ask Mittens how it is when another pubbie decide that your wife should be raped and your dog killed.Or just maybe you can ask Jade why is this okay with him while he is so terrified by the fact that someone mocked him....
I too explain I don't like Goons. What is there to like?
They themselves proclaim that they are the true advocates of pure freedom, yet the only way to express their freedom is by making all that aren't standing beside them as miserable as possible. Be it ingame or if possible even outgame.
Darius Johnson. The one who said " We aren't out to ruin the game, we are out to ruin YOUR game" Ah yes a real usefull and trustworthy character to put up in the witness stand.
And I stated before that if people are threatening Mittens, his wife or his dog in real life I am absolutely against it. I also posted that if such a thing happens the course of action is to inform the police and if there is information about the one threatening to be found in EVE in some way I am 100% confident CCP will work along with the police to get any and all information they have to the police.
But hinting to that you forget to point out the " Wanna make him kill himself? This is his name....." The fact someone might or may not threaten Mittens, his wife or his dog is in no way lessening what The Mittani did. But how dare I point out that again. That is trivial like everything else being done against those who aren't part of the "in-crowd"
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Cpt Underpants
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.11 03:23:00 -
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Jade Constantine's posts are so bad, USPS would send them all to the dead letter office. Lurk more - http://i39.tinypic.com/2nktoiq.gif |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.04.11 03:50:00 -
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Cpt Underpants wrote:Jade Constantine's posts are so bad, USPS would send them all to the dead letter office.
And another workerbee pops up to carry the torch.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.04.11 04:10:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Cearain wrote:VCBee 180 wrote:i'm not threatened in the slightest you big baby, i just don't care to reply to another jade constantine "goons are bad" post and would like to examine the reasons underneath your unhealthy obsession :) He has explained why he doesn't like the goons. He has indicated they are publishing real life pictures of him with false accusations that he commits sex crimes with children. They are sending this to his employers because of some sort of internet spaceship grudge. And you are still asking him why he doesn't like the goons? Its funny that you never really deny this is happening. You say its unfortunate, but you still remain with that group. I mean if the SA community as a whole was remotely normal they wouldn't stand for that. Yet you remain with them and continue to try to dodge the problems with your "community." Is SA doing anything to change how they act? If not, they are going to be criticized on the forums. He explained that he doesnt like goons because publishing of publicly aviable pictures of him with mocking commentary of his looks before.Goons are sending nothing to noone because internet spaceships,but youcan ask Darious Johnson how does it feel when some pubbie decide that its good time to do it.Or maybe you can ask Mittens how it is when another pubbie decide that your wife should be raped and your dog killed.Or just maybe you can ask Jade why is this okay with him while he is so terrified by the fact that someone mocked him....
Did Jade do these things? Were people from Jade's Alliance doing these things? I do not understand why this is relevant to what goons do to other players like Jade. Are you saying you do these things out of game to attack people because you think "everyone does it" so its just part of the game?
That is what I mean when i say you continue to try to dodge the problems with your own community. You start to talk about other bad guys who exist in the world as if that somehow excuses your alliance.
Why am I trying to reason with a goon?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Dry Martinis
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:16:00 -
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Posting in yet another "I hate goons thread" CAPS LOCK: CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.04.11 11:30:00 -
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Selene Evgenia wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I'm listed as one of the greatest enemies of Goons in Eve on your internal wiki. You have a gimmick article listed in the "drama" section under "stupid ****" with the warning, I quote: "Don't read any of his posts or you will lose IQ." This may come as a surprise to you, but like most wikis, ours can be edited by anyone with an account, and the existence of an article does not particularly convey any significance, implied or otherwise. You are not, as you have so eloquently stated, "one of the greatest enemies of Goons" Killer Gandry wrote:Your constant evasive maneuvering from the point at hand is sheer dumbness. You present nothing new outside of the socalled CFC state of mind. Your relevance is clear now.
None whatsoever. time is it eve forums i am on post haiku
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:09:00 -
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Every anti Goon post is important.
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