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MissBolyai
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
14
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:16:00 -
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Gentle goons,
This thread will be the place that you can bring your questions and concerns to the CSM. I will take all of your suggestions to elise or seleene, so feel free to hit me up here with your questions. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1900
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:19:00 -
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MissBolyai wrote:Gentle goons,
This thread will be the place that you can bring your questions and concerns to the CSM. I will take all of your suggestions to elise or seleene, so feel free to hit me up here with your questions.
Lies you are just going to print them out and make a collage of e-misery to print out on your bedroom wall to point and laugh at!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1123
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:19:00 -
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MissBolyai wrote:Gentle goons,
This thread will be the place that you can bring your questions and concerns to the CSM. I will take all of your suggestions to elise or seleene, so feel free to hit me up here with your questions.
Uh both are solid CSM delegates so I don't know if you're trying to do some clumsy troll or something but ok? |
MissBolyai
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
14
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:22:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:MissBolyai wrote:Gentle goons,
This thread will be the place that you can bring your questions and concerns to the CSM. I will take all of your suggestions to elise or seleene, so feel free to hit me up here with your questions. Uh both are solid CSM delegates so I don't know if you're trying to do some clumsy troll or something but ok? I will be proof-reading your thoughts before they make it to elise. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1123
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:23:00 -
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MissBolyai wrote:Vile rat wrote:MissBolyai wrote:Gentle goons,
This thread will be the place that you can bring your questions and concerns to the CSM. I will take all of your suggestions to elise or seleene, so feel free to hit me up here with your questions. Uh both are solid CSM delegates so I don't know if you're trying to do some clumsy troll or something but ok? I will be proof-reading your thoughts before they make it to elise.
Friend, I have a direct line to THE MAN. |
MissBolyai
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
14
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:25:00 -
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He's too busy banning tengus and collecting nickels for the mcdonald's dollar menu to help. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1124
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:27:00 -
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MissBolyai wrote:He's too busy banning tengus and collecting nickels for the mcdonald's dollar menu to help.
I hope he shows up with his seer sucker pimp suit to the summit again. That owned. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
385
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:09:00 -
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Why would I not just speak to them directly? Who are you exactly? And why are we referring to Seleene as he? |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 19:29:00 -
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for the same reason we refer to jade constantine as "he" (they're dudes and it'd be pretty creepy) |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 19:33:00 -
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although it doesn't matter much in the case of jade; he moonlights as the madame of a space brothel and is pretty much off the creepiness scale |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1901
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:41:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:although it doesn't matter much in the case of jade; he moonlights as the madame of a space brothel and is pretty much off the creepiness scale
not quite as "creepy" as spam mailing a person's rl place of employment with the accusation they sell internet sex for money though is it little goon. Or indeed as "creepy" as putting an eve enemies rl picture on a goonwiki where he is described as being a child sex offender.
Lets face it. on the "creepy" scale the cyber stalker goons redefine the word into something truly grim.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:59:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:VCBee 180 wrote:although it doesn't matter much in the case of jade; he moonlights as the madame of a space brothel and is pretty much off the creepiness scale not quite as "creepy" as spam mailing a person's rl place of employment with the accusation they sell internet sex for money though is it little goon. Or indeed as "creepy" as putting an eve enemies rl picture on a goonwiki where he is described as being a child sex offender. Lets face it. on the "creepy" scale the cyber stalker goons redefine the word into something truly grim.
In fact,there is only accusations of you being terrible leader of csm(which is true because person with your personality traits should not be allowed to lead even ant farm)and link to your disgusting eve-cyber-sex roleplaying something....
Yes and jokes about how you look,thats terrible and it makes people who laugh at you straight stalkers,or atleast your imagination works like this.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1901
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Posted - 2012.04.06 02:39:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote: In fact,there is only accusations of you being terrible leader of csm(which is true because person with your personality traits should not be allowed to lead even ant farm)and link to your disgusting eve-cyber-sex roleplaying something....
I'm honestly not surprised you are posting under a ridiculous-named alt because your opinions are rather laughable. I mean lets face it, compared to actually finishing a CSM term as chair with universal good-press and getting the majority of one's campaign goals into the development cycle your latest fail leader falls rather short on the achievement fronts yes?
As for cybersex blah blah blah yada yada yada. Four years of pressing that line in RL harrassment hasn't really made up for the fact there isn't a single tasty chat log of this alleged cyber madame scandal doing the rounds. La Maison was an IC nightclub run the founders of Jericho Fraction in 2003 that we mostly used or war declarations and live events.
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote: Yes and jokes about how you look,thats terrible and it makes people who laugh at you straight stalkers,or atleast your imagination works like this.But to be honest,if you mean it seriously, it says nothing about goons,while it says a lot of about you...
So are you seriously attempting to defend hosting a RL picture of me alongside accusations of child sex crime?
If so then you really need help in real life. Try and get a sense of perspective before posting again.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Benny Ohu
The Lazy Dragoons True Apathy
48
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Posted - 2012.04.06 04:28:00 -
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the Goonwiki is not open to the public? They can do what they like. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1901
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Posted - 2012.04.06 04:34:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the Goonwiki is not open to the public? They can do what they like.
There are at least two public mirrors.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Benny Ohu
The Lazy Dragoons True Apathy
48
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Posted - 2012.04.06 05:41:00 -
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I doubt any mirrors are Goonswarm's responsibility. It's not particularly immoral to host a picture privately, even if it is distasteful. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.04.06 09:49:00 -
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I am amused that you poor Goons have to rely on acusations of cybersex to try and undercut Jade's character rather than dealing with any argument he might make. We live in a time of free pornography on the net, sex texting in high school, and nude shots from the girl friend sent to your cell phone... Heck, you've not made it in Hollywood now until your stolen sex vid is trending and reported on the local news. Do you really think anyone gives a **** if he jerked off over naughty chat session with some pubbie at home?
Frankly, I am ot sure why you think its worth reporting on in every forum thread? Are you jealous of his ***** from web cam "sessions"or something? So you just go on and on like some scorned internet lover?
Pffft... you ******* loser. Even a fat old bastard like me can afford a good hooker. Get out of the house a little.
I guess it's too easy to attack the person to get what you want when you can't reasonably win the argument. And that's become too common with Goons. Attack anything you can pick on "for the real life person in forum" for metagaming pwnz rather than play an internet spaceships game for kicks. Honestly, it's sick behaviour... You've made a fun little game into something else because you forget there are limits. Just quit. |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.06 11:09:00 -
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look "Kai Tel" i'm completely in favour of the whole sexual liberation thing and i don't really care what people do to get off, but if you're found to roleplay a female space prostitute and then make bad posts all over evo i'm going to mock incessantly you for it |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.06 11:15:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote: In fact,there is only accusations of you being terrible leader of csm(which is true because person with your personality traits should not be allowed to lead even ant farm)and link to your disgusting eve-cyber-sex roleplaying something....
I'm honestly not surprised you are posting under a ridiculous-named alt because your opinions are rather laughable. I mean lets face it, compared to actually finishing a CSM term as chair with universal good-press and getting the majority of one's campaign goals into the development cycle your latest fail leader falls rather short on the achievement fronts yes? As for cybersex blah blah blah yada yada yada. Four years of pressing that line in RL harrassment hasn't really made up for the fact there isn't a single tasty chat log of this alleged cyber madame scandal doing the rounds. La Maison was an IC nightclub run the founders of Jericho Fraction in 2003 that we mostly used or war declarations and live events. PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote: Yes and jokes about how you look,thats terrible and it makes people who laugh at you straight stalkers,or atleast your imagination works like this.But to be honest,if you mean it seriously, it says nothing about goons,while it says a lot of about you... So are you seriously attempting to defend hosting a RL picture of me alongside accusations of child sex crime? If so then you really need help in real life. Try and get a sense of perspective before posting again.
I deplore all RL actions* and mock you for RPing a prostitute, it's not like getting harrassed grants you some kind of weirdness immunity
there's nothing wrong with goons happening to host a picture of you (which must have been public at some point :) ) and captioning it with petty insults about it on our private wiki; if someone has stolen that wiki and publically hosted it elsewhere then the bad is on them, not us
* to pick up on this, RL harrassment from eve is really messed up. If it makes you feel any better it's pretty widespread and frequently aimed at goons/allies (my favourite one was when someone called up kug's Malasian web security firm and made a complaint about him... to his wife) |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2012.04.06 12:01:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote: In fact,there is only accusations of you being terrible leader of csm(which is true because person with your personality traits should not be allowed to lead even ant farm)and link to your disgusting eve-cyber-sex roleplaying something....
I'm honestly not surprised you are posting under a ridiculous-named alt because your opinions are rather laughable. I mean lets face it, compared to actually finishing a CSM term as chair with universal good-press and getting the majority of one's campaign goals into the development cycle your latest fail leader falls rather short on the achievement fronts yes? As for cybersex blah blah blah yada yada yada. Four years of pressing that line in RL harrassment hasn't really made up for the fact there isn't a single tasty chat log of this alleged cyber madame scandal doing the rounds. La Maison was an IC nightclub run the founders of Jericho Fraction in 2003 that we mostly used or war declarations and live events. PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote: Yes and jokes about how you look,thats terrible and it makes people who laugh at you straight stalkers,or atleast your imagination works like this.But to be honest,if you mean it seriously, it says nothing about goons,while it says a lot of about you... So are you seriously attempting to defend hosting a RL picture of me alongside accusations of child sex crime? If so then you really need help in real life. Try and get a sense of perspective before posting again. I deplore all RL actions* and mock you for RPing a prostitute, it's not like getting harrassed grants you some kind of weirdness immunity there's nothing wrong with goons happening to host a picture of you (which must have been public at some point :) ) and captioning it with petty insults about it on our private wiki; if someone has stolen that wiki and publically hosted it elsewhere then the bad is on them, not us * to pick up on this, RL harrassment from eve is really messed up. If it makes you feel any better it's pretty widespread and frequently aimed at goons/allies (my favourite one was when someone called up kug's Malasian web security firm and made a complaint about him... to his wife)
And moreso,If Jade is so terrified by his RL harrasment(which we proved imaginary at best and outright lies at worst and most possible scenario)why he helps/endorse with RL harrasment of prominent members of CFC?
And Jade,your csm did nothing useful at all,even other members of it admits it,and its your fault and if you were atleast bit honest you will admit it...
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VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.04.06 12:10:00 -
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it's honestly pretty telling that the first thing jade did when faced with the wiki was to search his own name |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2012.04.06 12:17:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:it's honestly pretty telling that the first thing jade did when faced with the wiki was to search his own name
Its not pretty,but its true... |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1903
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Posted - 2012.04.06 13:38:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote: I deplore all RL actions* and mock you for RPing a prostitute, it's not like getting harrassed grants you some kind of weirdness immunity* to pick up on this, RL harrassment from eve is really messed up. If it makes you feel any better it's pretty widespread and frequently aimed at goons/allies (my favourite one was when someone called up kug's Malasian web security firm and made a complaint about him... to his wife)
Your comment appears less than sincere coupled as it is with continuing lies and defamation. Which is ironic given the supportive bleating in your leaders defense we've all recently been subjected too.
Yes this behaviour is widespread in Eve Online and it was pretty much brought to this game by the SA "community" which is famous for hiding behind the American notion of Freedom to Offend(freedom from the consequences of offending) so typified by institutions like the infamous Westboro Baptist Church.
VCBee 180 wrote: there's nothing wrong with goons happening to host a picture of you (which must have been public at some point
Of course it was, it was from my online CV which was used by the goons to target RL harrassment to my current and previous employers in the form of accusations of internet prostitution. I guess thats okay with you also?
VCBee 180 wrote: ...and captioning it with petty insults about it on our private wiki; if someone has stolen that wiki and publically hosted it elsewhere then the bad is on them, not us
"Petty insults" are such things as "you have a stupid avatar" or "you write like a primary school child". Not lurid accusations of child sex offending. That you cannot tell the difference says an awful lot about the community you are part of and illustrates the great distance you have slipped from rationality and healthy social behaviour.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1903
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Posted - 2012.04.06 13:53:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote: And moreso,If Jade is so terrified by his RL harrasment(which we proved imaginary at best and outright lies at worst and most possible scenario)why he helps/endorse with RL harrasment of prominent members of CFC?
The irony is I'd welcome the attempt at "RL harrassment" face to face at the next fanfest (for example) and I'd love a goon in the UK to host something like this. But of course the thing about internet cyber-bullies like Goonswarm is you guys really are immense cowards truth be told and the first time anybody even looked in your direction at a public event you'd be running beneath the skirts of the organizers and begging for protection from the consequences of their actions. (This from experience).
But its common goon practice to throw up a smokescreen of inky lies to defend their own so lets give you a chance to have your say. How pray tell am I helping/endorsing RL harrassment of "prominent members of" CFC? Conneticut Fried Chicken?
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:And Jade,your csm did nothing useful at all,even other members of it admits it,and its your fault and if you were atleast bit honest you will admit it..
Well its a common myth told by the Goon leadership to its pawns. But CSM1 was pretty successful for CCP. Extremely good press coverage, media relations. It worked well for me in the workplace too ironically - people were pretty impressed at my run as the first ever democratically elected chair of a multieplayer online game.
At least two members of CSM1 would go on to work for CCP. One went on to become a leading figure on the followup CSM2. We oversaw the successful implementation of PLEX into Eve online which has helped hundreds of thousands of players from poorer countries in the world to play the game despite the economic problems of their host countries.
It is a matter of public record the various gameplay improvements we advocated for Eve Online and I'm quite proud of the issues I advocated personally (such of which will probably surprise you when you tear your eyes from goonswarm propaganda and go look upon the facts as they happened).
And when my term was over I gave the final address at fanfest without bringing myself, the csm, or CCP and the wider player base into disrepute. I understand then as I do now that the role of CSM chair is to represent the game as an ambassador to the wider gaming media and show off the things that make Eve great (rather than wallowing in petty cyber bullying and mean spirited drunken nonsense.).
In many ways I think it is the degree to which the facts of CSM1's success are self-evident and undeniable that have made goon high command so rapidly addicted to smear attempts and making up nonsense about it ever since. It really stings that the CSM chaired by Jade Constantine, roleplayer and leader of a small alliance was a roaring success, while the CSM chaired by goonswarm's favourite son was a disappointing fiasco that ended in scandal and universal condemnation by anyone who is not a goon.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 13:56:00 -
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Jade, when you post... are you roleplaying? I can't see how anyone can hold such a strong internet grudge against goons and post so much about us while remaining otherwise fairly lucid. The only other explanation that occurs to me is that the harrassment and trolling aimed at you these past years has actually penetrated your usually thick skin and got you mad - how else could you make sweeping statements about a community of over a hundred and fifty thousand members without seeing the idiocy of it?
Just curious! |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.04.06 13:59:00 -
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You are roleplaying insects. I've heard you refer to yourselves in many many promotional goonswarm videos as bees and I've seen an attractive youtube presentation with little fabric animated bees dancing round a stargate that was highly rated by your general membership. At fanfest I met several goons who were even roleplaying bees in real life - they had little plush bee children with them and one chap was dressed up in a giant bee costume waving a goonswarm flag (with a giant bee on it). Even while I served on the CSM I often heard your illustrious leader (DARIUS) conversing with his second in command in a buzzing dialect and making rapid little tapping noises in channel pretending his fingers were mandibles. (Darius also looks a little like a Bee).
Further to in-game ideology - you are part of a swarm. You all serve the brain-goons. You present yourselves on this (largely) in character forum as idiot-level intelligence creatures without the ability to speak, argue or debate coherently and I acknowledge that must take quite a lot of dedication to the roleplay ethos of your organization. Look at the pure number of goonswarm threads with absolutely zero content produced in the last 24 hours! It takes champion roleplayers to so perfectly embody the mindset of tiny hive creatures toiling without conscious thought in banal labour of submission to the swarm.
So I salute your characterisation as vile bugs and horrible swarm things! Many in Eve asked for alien subspecies and you have finally provided the dramatic background for this.
Anyway. Lets not further derail this IC thread. If you want to discuss your roleplay with me further I'd suggest the general forum or maybe SHC. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1903
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:10:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:Jade, when you post... are you roleplaying? I can't see how anyone can hold such a strong internet grudge against goons and post so much about us while remaining otherwise fairly lucid. The only other explanation that occurs to me is that the harrassment and trolling aimed at you these past years has actually penetrated your usually thick skin and got you mad - how else could you make sweeping statements about a community of over a hundred and fifty thousand members without seeing the idiocy of it?
Just curious!
How about you address the substance of the post rather than flipping over on your back and claiming injury the first moment you feel threatened.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:21:00 -
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i'm not threatened in the slightest you big baby, i just don't care to reply to another jade constantine "goons are bad" post and would like to examine the reasons underneath your unhealthy obsession :) |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:23:00 -
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Lanasak wrote:You are roleplaying insects. I've heard you refer to yourselves in many many promotional goonswarm videos as bees and I've seen an attractive youtube presentation with little fabric animated bees dancing round a stargate that was highly rated by your general membership. At fanfest I met several goons who were even roleplaying bees in real life - they had little plush bee children with them and one chap was dressed up in a giant bee costume waving a goonswarm flag (with a giant bee on it). Even while I served on the CSM I often heard your illustrious leader (DARIUS) conversing with his second in command in a buzzing dialect and making rapid little tapping noises in channel pretending his fingers were mandibles. (Darius also looks a little like a Bee).
Further to in-game ideology - you are part of a swarm. You all serve the brain-goons. You present yourselves on this (largely) in character forum as idiot-level intelligence creatures without the ability to speak, argue or debate coherently and I acknowledge that must take quite a lot of dedication to the roleplay ethos of your organization. Look at the pure number of goonswarm threads with absolutely zero content produced in the last 24 hours! It takes champion roleplayers to so perfectly embody the mindset of tiny hive creatures toiling without conscious thought in banal labour of submission to the swarm.
So I salute your characterisation as vile bugs and horrible swarm things! Many in Eve asked for alien subspecies and you have finally provided the dramatic background for this.
Anyway. Lets not further derail this IC thread. If you want to discuss your roleplay with me further I'd suggest the general forum or maybe SHC.
blah blah blah anti-goon rant wrapped up in some half-baked analysis. i skimmed this post and there's no way i'm going to read it through for a detailed reply
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1904
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:23:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:i'm not threatened in the slightest you big baby, i just don't care to reply to another jade constantine "goons are bad" post and would like to examine the reasons underneath your unhealthy obsession :)
So go cry in the corner about how the world doesn't understand you some more. Come back when you are ready to have a serious discussion.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:24:00 -
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jade if you really want a discussion how about we wind back a moment to the part where i pointed out most prominent goon leaders have been targetted by rl harrassment? i notice you neglected to grace that part of my post with a reply! |
Hroya
28
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:26:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:jade if you really want a discussion how about we wind back a moment to the part where i pointed out most prominent goon leaders have been targetted by rl harrassment? i notice you neglected to grace that part of my post with a reply!
Maybe he will but you dont even read posts made from others because you couldnt be bothered so why should anyone even try are put some effort adressing your concerns ?
You go your corridor but. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1904
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:30:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:jade if you really want a discussion how about we wind back a moment to the part where i pointed out most prominent goon leaders have been targetted by rl harrassment? i notice you neglected to grace that part of my post with a reply!
On the contrary. I addressed that little point with the observation that SA community has brought the RL harrassment practise to eve. Before you guys arrived it was not a lauded "mainstream" activity. Goons made RL harrassment of players a metagame tactic (see Smoske affair, see Lady Scarlet affair) etc etc. You made attacks against the player part of the "game" and applauded the people who use them. You still do it right here in this thread where you support ongoing RL attacks against me.
So I'm not really sure the point you are making by bleating about problems certain goons have had with RL stalkers too.
You brought this problem to eve.
In order for it to be resolved for everyone the goons need to learn to respect RL barriers and end the harrassment of people in real life. Its as simple as that.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:30:00 -
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Hroya the advantage i have here is that i can post anything i want about jade constantine and he can't help himself but to reply, while ignoring whatever posts i please (walls of text about bees fall firmly into this category) |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:35:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:VCBee 180 wrote:jade if you really want a discussion how about we wind back a moment to the part where i pointed out most prominent goon leaders have been targetted by rl harrassment? i notice you neglected to grace that part of my post with a reply! On the contrary. I addressed that little point with the observation that SA community has brought the RL harrassment practise to eve. Before you guys arrived it was not a lauded "mainstream" activity. Goons made RL harrassment of players a metagame tactic (see Smoske affair, see Lady Scarlet affair) etc etc. You made attacks against the player part of the "game" and applauded the people who use them. You still do it right here in this thread where you support ongoing RL attacks against me. So I'm not really sure the point you are making by bleating about problems certain goons have had with RL stalkers too. You brought this problem to eve. In order for it to be resolved for everyone the goons need to learn to respect RL barriers and end the harrassment of people in real life. Its as simple as that.
do you have any proof whatsoever to back this up? BoB hoisted smoske's corpse like a flag as they used it to justify an in-game war and LV infiltrated goonfleet.com by hiring anthonyz to (successfully) hack Remedial's admin account.
when some years later we get ourselves into BoB forums and see the real-life pictures thread of course we're going to call Lady Scarlet fat. GoonSwarm is exactly what the "eve community" (ugh) made it. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1904
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:35:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:Hroya the advantage i have here is that i can post anything i want about jade constantine and he can't help himself but to reply, while ignoring whatever posts i please (walls of text about bees fall firmly into this category)
And the thing you miss little goon alt is that I'm happy to reply to you in such a way as to illustrate your nature as a cowardly little internet troll without credibility or reputation. The fact you've now fallen back to the "lol I wus trolling U" response as attempted damage control for being publicly broken on the wheel of discussion simply demonstrates how pitiful you truly are.
Perhaps next time you should put your virtual fingers in your ears and just type. "la la la I'm not listening la".
It would have about as much credibility.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Hroya
28
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:39:00 -
[37] - Quote
VCBee 180, Jade does take his time to make coherent replies that provide alot of details and are easy to read.
I wouldnt mind to read similar structured replies both ways and see a mature discussion going. It isnt rocket science. It isnt a battle of wits or a means to gain power. It is a way to understand things and figure out what role it all plays within a larger setting.
You go your corridor but. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1904
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:45:00 -
[38] - Quote
So hang on, one post ago you were boasting about "LOLO I TROLL U" and now its back to serious posting and you are claiming that somehow you are in control of the discussion? This is getting surreal.
[quote=VCBee 180 do you have any proof whatsoever to back this up? BoB hoisted smoske's corpse like a flag as they used it to justify an in-game war and LV infiltrated goonfleet.com by hiring anthonyz to (successfully) hack Remedial's admin account. when some years later we get ourselves into BoB forums and see the real-life pictures thread of course we're going to call Lady Scarlet fat. GoonSwarm is exactly what the "eve community" (ugh) made it.[/quote
The goons ran a campaign of forum signatures to mock an eve player who died in a traffic acident and you expected people not to get angry? You infiltrated an enemy alliance, took RL pictures of players and then mocked a woman over her RL looks mercilessly until she quit the game?
Is that supposed to be some kind of defense of goonswarm tactics - where did you learn law - downing Jaegerbombs at the Mittani practise.
I guess its lucky my RL pictures are more attractive than 99.9% of goons otherwise I'd have had you guys go "lady scarlet" on my appearance too. Here's a protip from RL. Games are for playing. Not living.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:49:00 -
[39] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:So hang on, one post ago you were boasting about "LOLO I TROLL U" and now its back to serious posting and you are claiming that somehow you are in control of the discussion? This is getting surreal. VCBee 180 wrote: do you have any proof whatsoever to back this up? BoB hoisted smoske's corpse like a flag as they used it to justify an in-game war and LV infiltrated goonfleet.com by hiring anthonyz to (successfully) hack Remedial's admin account. when some years later we get ourselves into BoB forums and see the real-life pictures thread of course we're going to call Lady Scarlet fat. GoonSwarm is exactly what the "eve community" (ugh) made it.
The goons ran a campaign of forum signatures to mock an eve player who died in a traffic acident and you expected people not to get angry? You infiltrated an enemy alliance, took RL pictures of players and then mocked a woman over her RL looks mercilessly until she quit the game? Is that supposed to be some kind of defense of goonswarm tactics - where did you learn law - downing Jaegerbombs at the Mittani practise. I guess its lucky my RL pictures are more attractive than 99.9% of goons otherwise I'd have had you guys go "lady scarlet" on my appearance too. Here's a protip from RL. Games are for playing. Not living.
lmao literally everything in this post is wrong |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1904
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:51:00 -
[40] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:So hang on, one post ago you were boasting about "LOLO I TROLL U" and now its back to serious posting and you are claiming that somehow you are in control of the discussion? This is getting surreal. VCBee 180 wrote: do you have any proof whatsoever to back this up? BoB hoisted smoske's corpse like a flag as they used it to justify an in-game war and LV infiltrated goonfleet.com by hiring anthonyz to (successfully) hack Remedial's admin account. when some years later we get ourselves into BoB forums and see the real-life pictures thread of course we're going to call Lady Scarlet fat. GoonSwarm is exactly what the "eve community" (ugh) made it.
The goons ran a campaign of forum signatures to mock an eve player who died in a traffic acident and you expected people not to get angry? You infiltrated an enemy alliance, took RL pictures of players and then mocked a woman over her RL looks mercilessly until she quit the game? Is that supposed to be some kind of defense of goonswarm tactics - where did you learn law - downing Jaegerbombs at the Mittani practise. I guess its lucky my RL pictures are more attractive than 99.9% of goons otherwise I'd have had you guys go "lady scarlet" on my appearance too. Here's a protip from RL. Games are for playing. Not living. lmao literally everything in this post is wrong
I see you took me up on the suggestion to use the "la la la i'm not listening la" defense after all
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:53:00 -
[41] - Quote
in order: false paradox, it wasn't a campaign it was an individual, they posted the pictures themselves, it was more her weight than looks, mittani retired!, we do mock your pictures
i do agree that goons are pretty ugly too though! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1904
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:56:00 -
[42] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote:i do agree that goons are pretty ugly too though!
Well there you go. The thread wasn't a complete waste.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 15:01:00 -
[43] - Quote
who's trolling now? mods? |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.04.06 15:23:00 -
[44] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote:blah blah blah anti-goon rant wrapped up in some half-baked analysis. i skimmed this post and there's no way i'm going to read it through for a detailed reply
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1004861&page=2#49
hurr
(skip down to post #49 since the anchor link doesn't work, :ccp:) |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1904
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Posted - 2012.04.06 16:53:00 -
[45] - Quote
Only goons would want to link examples of themselves getting utterly owned on the forums.
:you guys:
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 16:56:00 -
[46] - Quote
doh
oh wow i don't think i was subscribed when that one was posted |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
390
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Posted - 2012.04.06 16:57:00 -
[47] - Quote
And that's one properly derailed thread, :highbros: we did it. |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 16:57:00 -
[48] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Only goons would want to link examples of themselves getting utterly owned on the forums. :you guys:
bad poster!!!!! bad
e: if there's one thing to take from the archives, it's that calling jade out for RPing a space prostitute is timeless |
Uronksur Suth
Viziam Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.04.06 22:01:00 -
[49] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:[quote=VCBee 180]Or indeed as "creepy" as putting an eve enemies rl picture on a goonwiki where he is described as being a child sex offender.
Um, isn't that libel? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1907
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Posted - 2012.04.07 00:09:00 -
[50] - Quote
Uronksur Suth wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:[quote=VCBee 180]Or indeed as "creepy" as putting an eve enemies rl picture on a goonwiki where he is described as being a child sex offender. Um, isn't that libel?
Yeah good luck trying to find a lawyer prepared to take the case transatlantic against one of a thousand random goons operating through dodgy/obscure hosting agreements though. Though it would be nice to give these guys a figurative kick-in-the-teeth the reality is doomed to frustration.
+ of course "libel" is something that only happens too goons rather than done to them. Its "libellous" (apparently) to refer to Gianturco as a "cyberbully" but just harmless joking when labelling a goonswarm enemy a sex offender. Go figure.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
396
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Posted - 2012.04.07 04:00:00 -
[51] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: + of course "libel" is something that only happens too goons rather than done to them. Its "libellous" (apparently) to refer to Gianturco as a "cyberbully" but just harmless joking when labelling a goonswarm enemy a sex offender. Go figure.
I don't think any goon has called that label Libel. We've mostly be fapping on the fact that's its an incorrect label. DrunkenAsshole is far more accurate in Mitten's case. Many of the "gaming media" have written retractions to that effect even, including the blog post that is often cited as having started all those shenanigans. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
257
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Posted - 2012.04.07 05:24:00 -
[52] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote:Lanasak wrote: [stuff that made little Lyrra grin] blah blah blah anti-goon rant wrapped up in some half-baked analysis. i skimmed this post and there's no way i'm going to read it through for a detailed reply
^^The sense of humour is weak in this one.^^
Oh, and post on your main, you sanctimonious coward. This signature is intentionally left blank.
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2012.04.07 08:46:00 -
[53] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Only goons would want to link examples of themselves getting utterly owned on the forums. :you guys: bad poster!!!!! bad e: if there's one thing to take from the archives, it's that calling jade out for RPing a space prostitute is timeless And True |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2012.04.07 08:50:00 -
[54] - Quote
Jade and can you pls tell us what your csm 1 really achieved expect getting elected and getting free trip to the Iceland? |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.04.07 09:11:00 -
[55] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:
^^The sense of humour is weak in this one.^^
Oh, and post on your main, you sanctimonious coward.
my main is forum banned for threatening to kill myself if mittani was made to resign :(
a VCBee character is as good as a goonswarm ticker so w/e
e: your alliance is a piece of **** btw |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
257
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Posted - 2012.04.07 09:51:00 -
[56] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote: [tripe]
e: your alliance is a piece of **** btw
Are. You. *******. Serious.
Really? Really?
0/10 if troll, -10/10 if serious.
The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.04.07 10:02:00 -
[57] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Uronksur Suth wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:VCBee 180 wrote:Or indeed as "creepy" as putting an eve enemies rl picture on a goonwiki where he is described as being a child sex offender. Um, isn't that libel? Yeah good luck trying to find a lawyer prepared to take the case transatlantic against one of a thousand random goons operating through dodgy/obscure hosting agreements though. Though it would be nice to give these guys a figurative kick-in-the-teeth the reality is doomed to frustration. + of course "libel" is something that only happens to goons rather than done by them. Its "libellous" (apparently) to refer to Gianturco as a "cyberbully" but just harmless joking when labelling a goonswarm enemy a sex offender. Go figure.
So how long are you going to continue to be mad at a few thousand dudes because of what one (a few?) of them did?
edit:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Are. You. *******. Serious.
Really? Really?
0/10 if troll, -10/10 if serious.
E:
Is that truly all you've got? My God, you're pathetic even by the standards of the dregs of the Internet known as goons. Stop taking Internet Spaceships(TM) so seriously, honey: See, for those of us who have friends and lives away from the computer, what one braying piece of Internet-garbage thinks of my pixel-spaceships pixel-space guild/corp/thingy really just...isn't overly relevant.
God they're adorable sometimes. |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2012.04.07 10:22:00 -
[58] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:VCBee 180 wrote: [tripe]
e: your alliance is a piece of **** btw Are. You. *******. Serious. Really? Really?0/10 if troll, -10/10 if serious. E: Is that truly all you've got? My God, you're pathetic even by the standards of the dregs of the Internet known as goons. Stop taking Internet Spaceships(TM) so seriously, honey: See, for those of us who have friends and lives away from the computer, what one braying piece of Internet-garbage thinks of my pixel-spaceships pixel-space guild/corp/thingy really just...isn't overly relevant.
Lol,internet spaceship serious bussines nerd telling GS member to be not so serious about spaceships...
Pubbies still manage to surprise and make me laugh...
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VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.04.07 16:35:00 -
[59] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:VCBee 180 wrote: [tripe]
e: your alliance is a piece of **** btw Are. You. *******. Serious. Really? Really?0/10 if troll, -10/10 if serious. E: Is that truly all you've got? My God, you're pathetic even by the standards of the dregs of the Internet known as goons. Stop taking Internet Spaceships(TM) so seriously, honey: See, for those of us who have friends and lives away from the computer, what one braying piece of Internet-garbage thinks of my pixel-spaceships pixel-space guild/corp/thingy really just...isn't overly relevant.
rack 'em |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1907
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:11:00 -
[60] - Quote
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Jade and can you pls tell us what your csm 1 really achieved expect getting elected and getting free trip to the Iceland?
Well CSM 1 being bad is a common myth told by the Goon leadership to its pawns. When (from the goon's perspective) what was "bad" is you didn't win.
CSM1 was pretty successful for CCP and the game at large. Extremely good press coverage, media relations. It worked well for me in the workplace too ironically - people were pretty impressed at my run as the first ever democratically elected chair of a massively multiplayer online game.
BBC taking democracy to the stars
New York Times on Virtual Democracy
Massively spotlight CSM1
Ten ton hammer on the process
And dozens more like these.
At least two members of CSM1 would go on to work for CCP. One went on to become a leading figure on the followup CSM2. We oversaw the successful implementation of PLEX into Eve online which has helped hundreds of thousands of players from poorer countries in the world to play the game despite the economic problems of their host countries.
It is a matter of public record the various gameplay improvements we advocated for Eve Online and I'm quite proud of the issues I advocated personally (such of which will probably surprise you when you tear your eyes from goonswarm propaganda and go look up the facts as they happened
And when my term was over I gave the final address at fanfest without bringing myself, the csm, or CCP and the wider player base into disrepute. I understand then as I do now that the role of CSM chair is to represent the game as an ambassador to the wider gaming media and show off the things that make Eve great (rather than wallowing in petty cyber bullying and mean spirited drunken nonsense.).
In many ways I think it is the degree to which the facts of CSM1's success are self-evident and undeniable that have made goon high command so rapidly addicted to smear attempts and making up nonsense about it ever since. It really stings that the CSM chaired by Jade Constantine, roleplayer and leader of a small alliance was a roaring success, while the CSM chaired by goonswarm's favourite son was a disappointing fiasco that ended in scandal and universal condemnation by anyone who is not a goon.
All the goonswarm can take away from CSM6 really are humiliating headlines like these.
Cyber bullying for applause
Goonswarm's attempt to cyber-bully massively
Investigation over mocking suicidal player
Harrassment mars Eves fanfest
And so on.
Take off the goonswarm blinkers and breath the fresh clean air outside the SA basement for a moment and see how the rest of the players and gaming media see you.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1907
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:18:00 -
[61] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: + of course "libel" is something that only happens too goons rather than done to them. Its "libellous" (apparently) to refer to Gianturco as a "cyberbully" but just harmless joking when labelling a goonswarm enemy a sex offender. Go figure.
I don't think any goon has called that label Libel. We've mostly be fapping on the fact that's its an incorrect label. DrunkenAsshole is far more accurate in Mitten's case. Many of the "gaming media" have written retractions to that effect even, including the blog post that is often cited as having started all those shenanigans.
I don't think you are in any position to know precisely what your goonish brethen have said really. A horde is as a horde does - I find it rather ridiculous for anyone except the alpha dog in your community to say whats what really - the rest are just followers repeating the party line.
And as for the media writing retractions - I think Massively were very cowardly in stepping back from the "cyber bully" headline and they looked like a news site who had been legally-threatened by goons that week. That said the editor tried to win back some independent credibility by refusing absolutely to apologize to goons and going so far as to label the harrassment and spam mails as "cyber bullying" itself.
But its typically really to accuse a news site of having reported "shenanigans" as being responsible for all this. I really don't buy the "he was drunk" excuse - its clear that he planned the presentation months in advance and did precisely what he intended. That being said labelling an incident of public cyber-bullying as cyber-bullying is simply accurate reporting.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
80
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Posted - 2012.04.07 18:56:00 -
[62] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Jade and can you pls tell us what your csm 1 really achieved expect getting elected and getting free trip to the Iceland? Well CSM 1 being bad is a common myth told by the Goon leadership to its pawns. When (from the goon's perspective) what was "bad" is you didn't win. CSM1 was pretty successful for CCP and the game at large. Extremely good press coverage, media relations. It worked well for me in the workplace too ironically - people were pretty impressed at my run as the first ever democratically elected chair of a massively multiplayer online game. BBC taking democracy to the starsNew York Times on Virtual DemocracyMassively spotlight CSM1Ten ton hammer on the processAnd dozens more like these. At least two members of CSM1 would go on to work for CCP. One went on to become a leading figure on the followup CSM2. We oversaw the successful implementation of PLEX into Eve online which has helped hundreds of thousands of players from poorer countries in the world to play the game despite the economic problems of their host countries. It is a matter of public record the various gameplay improvements we advocated for Eve Online and I'm quite proud of the issues I advocated personally (such of which will probably surprise you when you tear your eyes from goonswarm propaganda and go look up the facts as they happenedAnd when my term was over I gave the final address at fanfest without bringing myself, the csm, or CCP and the wider player base into disrepute. I understand then as I do now that the role of CSM chair is to represent the game as an ambassador to the wider gaming media and show off the things that make Eve great (rather than wallowing in petty cyber bullying and mean spirited drunken nonsense.). In many ways I think it is the degree to which the facts of CSM1's success are self-evident and undeniable that have made goon high command so rapidly addicted to smear attempts and making up nonsense about it ever since. It really stings that the CSM chaired by Jade Constantine, roleplayer and leader of a small alliance was a roaring success, while the CSM chaired by goonswarm's favourite son was a disappointing fiasco that ended in scandal and universal condemnation by anyone who is not a goon. All the goonswarm can take away from CSM6 really are humiliating headlines like these. Cyber bullying for applauseGoonswarm's attempt to cyber-bully massivelyInvestigation over mocking suicidal playerHarrassment mars Eves fanfestAnd so on. Take off the goonswarm blinkers and breath the fresh clean air outside the SA basement for a moment and see how the rest of the players and gaming media see you.
Jade Constantine wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: + of course "libel" is something that only happens too goons rather than done to them. Its "libellous" (apparently) to refer to Gianturco as a "cyberbully" but just harmless joking when labelling a goonswarm enemy a sex offender. Go figure.
I don't think any goon has called that label Libel. We've mostly be fapping on the fact that's its an incorrect label. DrunkenAsshole is far more accurate in Mitten's case. Many of the "gaming media" have written retractions to that effect even, including the blog post that is often cited as having started all those shenanigans. I don't think you are in any position to know precisely what your goonish brethen have said really. A horde is as a horde does - I find it rather ridiculous for anyone except the alpha dog in your community to say whats what really - the rest are just followers repeating the party line. And as for the media writing retractions - I think Massively were very cowardly in stepping back from the "cyber bully" headline and they looked like a news site who had been legally-threatened by goons that week. That said the editor tried to win back some independent credibility by refusing absolutely to apologize to goons and going so far as to label the harrassment and spam mails as "cyber bullying" itself. But its typically really to accuse a news site of having reported "shenanigans" as being responsible for all this. I really don't buy the "he was drunk" excuse - its clear that he planned the presentation months in advance and did precisely what h... |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
80
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Posted - 2012.04.07 19:07:00 -
[63] - Quote
Haha, so I looked up that wiki you were talking about. No wonder you're so pissed off.
Jade Constantine wrote:OOC
You are roleplaying insects. I've heard you refer to yourselves in many many promotional goonswarm videos as bees and I've seen an attractive youtube presentation with little fabric animated bees dancing round a stargate that was highly rated by your general membership. At fanfest I met several goons who were even roleplaying bees in real life - they had little plush bee children with them and one chap was dressed up in a giant bee costume waving a goonswarm flag (with a giant bee on it). Even while I served on the CSM I often heard your illustrious leader (DARIUS) conversing with his second in command in a buzzing dialect and making rapid little tapping noises in channel pretending his fingers were mandibles. (Darius also looks a little like a Bee).
Further to in-game ideology - you are part of a swarm. You all serve the brain-goons. You present yourselves on this (largely) in character forum as idiot-level intelligence creatures without the ability to speak, argue or debate coherently and I acknowledge that must take quite a lot of dedication to the roleplay ethos of your organization. Look at the pure number of goonswarm threads with absolutely zero content produced in the last 24 hours! It takes champion roleplayers to so perfectly embody the mindset of tiny hive creatures toiling without conscious thought in banal labour of submission to the swarm.
So I salute your characterisation as vile bugs and horrible swarm things! Many in Eve asked for alien subspecies and you have finally provided the dramatic background for this.
Anyway. Lets not further derail this IC thread. If you want to discuss your roleplay with me further I'd suggest the general forum or maybe SHC.
It's also worthy of note that your real name is never mentioned once in the page; despite your picture being there. And that the entire article is 1/4th the size of your posts from earlier, and mostly comprised of that post of yours that I quoted. It's almost like nobody cares. Drop the persecution complex.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1907
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Posted - 2012.04.07 19:21:00 -
[64] - Quote
D Derp wrote: It's almost like nobody cares. Drop the persecution complex.
If you don't care then it shouldn't be difficult for you to stop harrassing other players in real life over your serious business spaceship politics.
If you don't care then remove my RL picture from your wiki.
If you don't care then remove the allegations of child-sex abuse.
If you don't care then stop sending letters to the people I work with.
If you don't care then simply walk away and stop trying to drive a player away from the game because you are so completely :butthurt: over never winning internet arguments.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
80
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Posted - 2012.04.07 19:36:00 -
[65] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
If you don't care then remove my RL picture from your wiki.
If you don't care then remove the allegations of child-sex abuse.
Don't care enough to log back into the wiki. At least not for you, since you seem hell-bent on calling every goon a stalker.
Jade Constantine wrote: If you don't care then it shouldn't be difficult for you to stop harrassing other players in real life over your serious business spaceship politics.
If you don't care then stop sending letters to the people I work with.
I haven't done either of those things. Neither have any of the other goons you've thrown that at. Stop being deluded.
edit: Because you're striking me as kind of crazy, I just wanted to make sure that you understood that the above line is not me saying those things never happened!
Jade Constantine wrote: If you don't care then simply walk away and stop trying to drive a player away from the game because you are so completely :butthurt: over never winning internet arguments.
I don't think I've ever told you to quite eve. And at least I'm not so butthurt over the internet that I write mini-essays at people for years about how terrible the big bad goonies are. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2012.04.07 20:40:00 -
[66] - Quote
D Derp wrote:I'd call you a pretty good troll, but you consistently write pages of this stuff. Space essay's, even. I, uh, think it's a self-trolling thing.
Minimum attention required, will troll self on forums for your amusement ~
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.04.08 00:23:00 -
[67] - Quote
As someone who flew Jade when he was still "perma"-banned from the Eve-O forums (oh, happy days) only to later find my way into Goonfleet/waffe, I thought it would be nice to say a couple of true things.
First and most disappointing, La Maison (et etera) was not an e-brothel. It was just a sad little chat room where a bunch of lonely nerds pretended to be all-powerful gods of space. Sexes chats occurred frequently and with vigor. The rest of the time, everyone seemed to be engaged in a no-holds-barred contest to decide once and for all who was the most pretentious ass online.
I once picked up a character from a guy who quit Eve and spent the next six months telling undersexed hausfraus who met Wren in La Maison that, no, sorry, he sold his character and no, I was not aware that your characters were 'involved' and NO, I do not wish to continue the relationship. La Maison wasn't quite as overtly sexual as a brothel, but it sure was weird.
Second, Jade is seriously a crazy person, just not in the, "he put GHB in the orange juice at his local playground" way, though. He's crazy in the "not joking around when he starts talking about his character's in-game ideology". I've known a lot of people who engaged in roleplay in my life; from people sitting around a table roleplaying elves and dwarves (a vice I continue to indulge in to this day) to people pretending to be nonconsenually PVP'd by a burglar that is actually their significant other. I'm sure as hell not one to judge. Still, sane people who roleplay all know that they are not their characters. Their characters are a part of a story and what they do and what happens to them only matter in the context of the story. Jade is one of those poor guys who's spent too long playing the same character (and he passed that point of no return long before I met him) to know the difference between "me" and "my character".
I'm not saying that he thinks he's an immortal starship captain living tens of thousands of years in the future. He's just pathologically incapable of separating his in-and-out-of-game personas. His "in game" ideology? The whole "Freecaptain" thing? That's not just an in-character thing that he does to have fun. He believes that craptle. He doesn't just think people should play the game the way he does. He's obsessed with "regressive memes" and "imperialist enclosurism". He doesn't care if the people in his alliance are having fun and he sure as hell doesn't care if they're competent. Or at least that's how he was a while back. Maybe he has a whole new dogma now. If so, I'm confident that he is just as willing to hold to it no matter what, even if it's no damned fun and makes something like half of the people in his alliance leave (which happened twice in the time I knew him, both times because the way Jade insists everyone in The Star Fraction play Eve is just not fun.)
Anyway, that's the Jade Constantine I know/knew. He's basically just some sad English twit who edits copy who got in on the ground floor with Eve, got himself a taste of relevance and promptly went crackers. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1910
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Posted - 2012.04.08 01:21:00 -
[68] - Quote
Devilish Ledoux wrote:As someone who flew Jade when he was still "perma"-banned from the Eve-O forums (oh, happy days) only to later find my way into Goonfleet/waffe, I thought it would be nice to say a couple of true things.
First and most disappointing, La Maison (et etera) was not an e-brothel. It was just a sad little chat room where a bunch of lonely nerds pretended to be all-powerful gods of space. Sexes chats occurred frequently and with vigor. The rest of the time, everyone seemed to be engaged in a no-holds-barred contest to decide once and for all who was the most pretentious ass online.
I once picked up a character from a guy who quit Eve and spent the next six months telling undersexed hausfraus who met Wren in La Maison that, no, sorry, he sold his character and no, I was not aware that your characters were 'involved' and NO, I do not wish to continue the relationship. La Maison wasn't quite as overtly sexual as a brothel, but it sure was weird.
Second, Jade is seriously a crazy person, just not in the, "he put GHB in the orange juice at his local playground" way, though. He's crazy in the "not joking around when he starts talking about his character's in-game ideology". I've known a lot of people who engaged in roleplay in my life; from people sitting around a table roleplaying elves and dwarves (a vice I continue to indulge in to this day) to people pretending to be nonconsenually PVP'd by a burglar that is actually their significant other. I'm sure as hell not one to judge. Still, sane people who roleplay all know that they are not their characters. Their characters are a part of a story and what they do and what happens to them only matter in the context of the story. Jade is one of those poor guys who's spent too long playing the same character (and he passed that point of no return long before I met him) to know the difference between "me" and "my character".
I'm not saying that he thinks he's an immortal starship captain living tens of thousands of years in the future. He's just pathologically incapable of separating his in-and-out-of-game personas. His "in game" ideology? The whole "Freecaptain" thing? That's not just an in-character thing that he does to have fun. He believes that craptle. He doesn't just think people should play the game the way he does. He's obsessed with "regressive memes" and "imperialist enclosurism". He doesn't care if the people in his alliance are having fun and he sure as hell doesn't care if they're competent. Or at least that's how he was a while back. Maybe he has a whole new dogma now. If so, I'm confident that he is just as willing to hold to it no matter what, even if it's no damned fun and makes something like half of the people in his alliance leave (which happened twice in the time I knew him, both times because the way Jade insists everyone in The Star Fraction play Eve is just not fun.)
Anyway, that's the Jade Constantine I know/knew. He's basically just some sad English twit who edits copy who got in on the ground floor with Eve, got himself a taste of relevance and promptly went crackers.
Its true I shoot regressive road-blockers in the face IRL. But seriously that is a pretty intense wall of text to demonstrate how little you care.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
|
Posted - 2012.04.08 01:38:00 -
[69] - Quote
Unlike you, I am not pretending not to care. I care, bro. We used to have times. Where did you go so wrong? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1910
|
Posted - 2012.04.08 02:02:00 -
[70] - Quote
Well according to your friends in the swarm running for CSM and letting them find out my RL name and link it to a CV site for out of game abuse.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
|
Posted - 2012.04.08 03:42:00 -
[71] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Well according to your friends in the swarm running for CSM and letting them find out my RL name so they could link it to a CV site and copy my photograph to be used for repeated harrassment and out of game abuse. Try not to kill yourself over it. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1910
|
Posted - 2012.04.08 04:09:00 -
[72] - Quote
Devilish Ledoux wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Well according to your friends in the swarm running for CSM and letting them find out my RL name so they could link it to a CV site and copy my photograph to be used for repeated harrassment and out of game abuse. Try not to kill yourself over it.
You too.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
|
Posted - 2012.04.08 04:21:00 -
[73] - Quote
So ... we cool? |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
80
|
Posted - 2012.04.08 06:05:00 -
[74] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Its true I shoot regressive road-blockers in the face IRL. But seriously that is a pretty intense wall of text to demonstrate how little you care.
What? Where did this even come from?
Jade Constantine wrote:Devilish Ledoux wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Well according to your friends in the swarm running for CSM and letting them find out my RL name so they could link it to a CV site and copy my photograph to be used for repeated harrassment and out of game abuse. Try not to kill yourself over it. You too. :masterstroke: |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
|
Posted - 2012.04.08 06:10:00 -
[75] - Quote
Devilish Ledoux wrote:So ... we cool? Your clothes are cool. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1910
|
Posted - 2012.04.08 17:10:00 -
[76] - Quote
D Derp wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Its true I shoot regressive road-blockers in the face IRL. But seriously that is a pretty intense wall of text to demonstrate how little you care.
What? Where did this even come from?
That was the gist of the wall of text your comrade posted. He unironically believes I'm a space anarchist in real life and plots the downfall of western capitalist imperialism apparently. He's welcome to his opinion stated as it is without recourse to posting poison pen letters to my contract placements or hosting RL pictures of me beside criminal allegations and all that.
Also rather amusingly he takes credit for infilitrating roleplayer accounts and acting all surprised about the fact that grownups cybersex each other in eve online. The horror!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.08 20:30:00 -
[77] - Quote
Jade you still didnt delivered any real achivement of CSM1 except of fact that it was elected and you were a chair,also your claims about Goonswar(sic!)being cyberbully towards interntet news media (sic!) are so geniuely stupid that i think that even you cant think it seriously.Futhermore your tries to bellitle the achievements of csm7 are not only invalid to those who play this game,but also so blatantly sided against some kind of gameplay (and no its not "evil evil blob")that you only show that its you and not GS who is perfectly willilling to hurt this game to simply bend it towards his wishes.And even you must admit that you represent much thinner minority than GS does and also that its you and not GS who want to make people responsible for their in game actions,and to my further terror you seem to support fact that your in game enemies (or people who you think that they are your enemies while they dont give a flying **** about you,simply because you are so sad example of irrelevant "i have so many sp that i mus be rite" bittervet)are irl stalked (and no,you werent never stalked by GS,and your claims that you were are insulting to all real victims,no matter if they are results of your lost touch with reality or your "master plan to bring down gs",in both cases you showed much worse taste than mittens and contrary to him you are not showing any regrets or willingness to apologize,which makes you only extremely sad example of how low can human being be brought by hypocrisy),so i think that you should feel ashamed of yourself,and on how you betrayed your own ideals,take step away from computer,think about your hypocrisy,think about fact that its only you is okay with ******* with eve and take a "proper german officer approach(with your character of course)" before you will be only sad joke of sad joke you currently are. |
Hroya
28
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Posted - 2012.04.08 22:34:00 -
[78] - Quote
>PleaseDONTblow MYship< Err, could be mistaken but would you mind scrolling back and read earlier replies-copy/pastes to that statement ?
And if possible could you please use punctuation in your posts ? I allmost ran out of air. You go your corridor but. |
Argyle Jones
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.04.08 22:39:00 -
[79] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: If you don't care then stop sending letters to the people I work with.
They really did that? |
knobber Jobbler
152
|
Posted - 2012.04.08 23:26:00 -
[80] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Jade and can you pls tell us what your csm 1 really achieved expect getting elected and getting free trip to the Iceland? Well CSM 1 being bad is a common myth told by the Goon leadership to its pawns. When (from the goon's perspective) what was "bad" is you didn't win. CSM1 was pretty successful for CCP and the game at large. Extremely good press coverage, media relations. It worked well for me in the workplace too ironically - people were pretty impressed at my run as the first ever democratically elected chair of a massively multiplayer online game. BBC taking democracy to the starsNew York Times on Virtual DemocracyMassively spotlight CSM1Ten ton hammer on the processAnd dozens more like these. At least two members of CSM1 would go on to work for CCP. One went on to become a leading figure on the followup CSM2. We oversaw the successful implementation of PLEX into Eve online which has helped hundreds of thousands of players from poorer countries in the world to play the game despite the economic problems of their host countries. It is a matter of public record the various gameplay improvements we advocated for Eve Online and I'm quite proud of the issues I advocated personally (such of which will probably surprise you when you tear your eyes from goonswarm propaganda and go look up the facts as they happenedAnd when my term was over I gave the final address at fanfest without bringing myself, the csm, or CCP and the wider player base into disrepute. I understand then as I do now that the role of CSM chair is to represent the game as an ambassador to the wider gaming media and show off the things that make Eve great (rather than wallowing in petty cyber bullying and mean spirited drunken nonsense.). In many ways I think it is the degree to which the facts of CSM1's success are self-evident and undeniable that have made goon high command so rapidly addicted to smear attempts and making up nonsense about it ever since. It really stings that the CSM chaired by Jade Constantine, roleplayer and leader of a small alliance was a roaring success, while the CSM chaired by goonswarm's favourite son was a disappointing fiasco that ended in scandal and universal condemnation by anyone who is not a goon. All the goonswarm can take away from CSM6 really are humiliating headlines like these. Cyber bullying for applauseGoonswarm's attempt to cyber-bully massivelyInvestigation over mocking suicidal playerHarrassment mars Eves fanfestAnd so on. Take off the goonswarm blinkers and breath the fresh clean air outside the SA basement for a moment and see how the rest of the players and gaming media see you.
You get caught up in your own hype. The only successful csm was 6. The previous 5 were farcical pr stunts for ccp. |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1910
|
Posted - 2012.04.08 23:45:00 -
[81] - Quote
Argyle Jones wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: If you don't care then stop sending letters to the people I work with.
They really did that?
Yep.
The goons take their spaceship politics VERY seriously.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
243
|
Posted - 2012.04.08 23:49:00 -
[82] - Quote
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:HUGE WALL OF TEXT
Ouch, now if only ingame you could hurt as much as your typing skills.
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
932
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 00:19:00 -
[83] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:D Derp wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Its true I shoot regressive road-blockers in the face IRL. But seriously that is a pretty intense wall of text to demonstrate how little you care.
What? Where did this even come from? That was the gist of the wall of text your comrade posted. He unironically believes I'm a space anarchist in real life and plots the downfall of western capitalist imperialism apparently. He's welcome to his opinion stated as it is without recourse to posting poison pen letters to my contract placements or hosting RL pictures of me beside criminal allegations and all that. Also rather amusingly he takes credit for infilitrating roleplayer accounts and acting all surprised about the fact that grownups cybersex each other in eve online. The horror!
Sorry, did you just admit to your futanari brothel dealings? |
Runar Hawk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 00:25:00 -
[84] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Also rather amusingly he takes credit for infilitrating roleplayer accounts and acting all surprised about the fact that grownups cybersex each other in eve online. The horror!
lmao you roleplay a dickgirl in eve online |
Hroya
28
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Posted - 2012.04.09 00:27:00 -
[85] - Quote
Fellow roleplayers being suprised of anything ? Noo, really ?
You go your corridor but. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
243
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 00:32:00 -
[86] - Quote
I play a spaceship pilot who can never die and I hit on female characters that are also spaceship pilots.\
Now let's see howmany real females play and howmany socalled female characters I have hit on.
Wanna bet not all were female?
You play a male character, but how manly are you?
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D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
80
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Posted - 2012.04.09 02:36:00 -
[87] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Argyle Jones wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: If you don't care then stop sending letters to the people I work with.
They really did that? Yep. The goons take their spaceship politics VERY seriously.
It's like you say a dumb thing, get called out, then on into full-on RP mode.
Killer Gandry wrote:I play a spaceship pilot who can never die and I hit on female characters that are also spaceship pilots.\
Now let's see howmany real females play and howmany socalled female characters I have hit on.
Wanna bet not all were female?
You play a male character, but how manly are you?
Calling people gay isn't really funny when they're actually gay. Grats. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
243
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 03:24:00 -
[88] - Quote
D Derp wrote:Calling people gay isn't really funny when they're actually gay. Grats.
Well, if that is the suggestion you like to seek behind my words then it actually says more about you than me.
And for your information. Someone who is gay doesn't mind being called gay. The other words people like to use are the ones they don't find funny.
As for Jade. Just be honest. You're just jealous someone actually plays the game they want to play it and you can't get further than being an anonymous grunt for some bigger entity or just an inknown who attempts to build up a name by spewing random crap at the more e-famous.
I don't make fun of you.
I pity you.
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Goldnut Sachs
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 07:12:00 -
[89] - Quote
Hey OP I need to have Seleene the new chairman confirm the fact that he pledges keep that walking in stations bullshitt on the slowest of all burns for as long as possible, and post entertaining exchanges with issler dainze. |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
5
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 15:46:00 -
[90] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:D Derp wrote:Calling people gay isn't really funny when they're actually gay. Grats. Well, if that is the suggestion you like to seek behind my words then it actually says more about you than me.
well what does it say then you vague, badposting pubbie :allears: |
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Mikalia Sunstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
3
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Posted - 2012.04.09 15:53:00 -
[91] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:D Derp wrote:Calling people gay isn't really funny when they're actually gay. Grats. Well, if that is the suggestion you like to seek behind my words then it actually says more about you than me. well what does it say then you vague, badposting pubbie :allears:
Penispenispenispenispenispenispenis!!!
I spam zee meesulz at you'ze!! |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
243
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 16:17:00 -
[92] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote:
well what does it say then you vague, badposting pubbie :allears:
Hello Goon alt or Goon wannabe.
It reads as that which you want to read. The concept might be a little out of your grasp, but eat your cereals and veggies, stay in school and one day you might comprehend the whole idea.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1911
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Posted - 2012.04.09 17:13:00 -
[93] - Quote
Its a bit pathetic that all we've seen in this thread is childish alts of goons (who presumably got banned for badposting long before). Any time they are faced with an actual argument they run for the hills and roll on their bellies and call in the alt-tastic unfunny smear brigade.
But the fact remains, Eve online as a game needs to move beyond this rubbish really. If we're to keep the no-holds-barred brutal in-game reality we've grown fond of then certain kinds of out of game RL personal attack rubbish needs to be ruled beyond the pale.
I don't mind goons in space suicide ganking people. I don't mind goons trying to scam the credulous. I don't mind goons blobbing and bubbling and generally making themselves unpleasant in 0.0.
Thats all gameplay end of the day.
My issue is with those goons who have such a tenuous grasp on reality that they believe making out of game attacks on the RL identity and livelihood of in-game enemies is part of Eve's grand tradition of "meta-game".
These guys are the most pitiable creatures on the internet really: the mouthbreathing unwashed basement dwelling poison-pen spewing self-hating cybernerds in the spotlight.
And anyone who wants to see Eve online remain a full on pvp game (rather than getting over-sanitized in knee-jerk response to the frankly insane antics of a few dozen internet madmen) should join in condemning this behaviour without reservation.
The real question of all this is "who is griefing who" when RL attacks and OOC harrassment become the norm of Eve metagame. One might think its an easy question to answer with "well its the victim isn't it?" But the reality is more complex.
The consequence of Gianturco's behaviour at fanfest this year will likely be that nobody gets to drink in public at future events and talk about Eve in a relaxed manner of comradely intoxication.
The consequence of Goonswarm Cyberbullying and ooc harrassment will likely be that somebody ends up dead and Eve will pay the penalty of being flayed in the press.
The consequence of SA culture dominatiing Eve culture is that this game community is seen as a poisonous snake-pit by the gaming media and other MMO players and rather than respecting the "core game" harshness and admirable difficulty level of Eve, they end up despising the petty-minded vindictive bully-culture laden with sexism, homophobia and racist frat-boy antics that would make most student campus societies call for expulsion.
Goons once were rumoured to have come to Eve to "destroy the game". They refined the message to we're here to "destroy your game."
Ironic that the latest target group for destruction is the hard core gamers who want to play a full-tilt full death penalty open world MMO without crossing the line into Cyber-bullying, Internet Harrassment and outright out of game criminality.
Food for thought.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
243
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 17:18:00 -
[94] - Quote
I knew there was more than one reason I like you Jade.
Too bad english is only my third language and as such I am not as elegant and clear in my posting in it as you are. If I were to post in my own language I would be able to be more clear but alas the audience who can actually read it would be significant smaller.
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HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
219
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 21:07:00 -
[95] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Argyle Jones wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: If you don't care then stop sending letters to the people I work with.
They really did that? Yep. The goons take their spaceship politics VERY seriously.
Clearly it must have been a goon.
Your old friend CCP Sreegs had similar issues at his previous job, I guess we should assume it must have been a Star Fraction member that tried to get him fired? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
177
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 21:56:00 -
[96] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Argyle Jones wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: If you don't care then stop sending letters to the people I work with.
They really did that? Yep. The goons take their spaceship politics VERY seriously.
I would like to see verifiable proof of this. |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
5
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 22:53:00 -
[97] - Quote
I'd like to blame Jade Constantine and the Jericho Fraction for the numerous incidences of real-life harrassment, appropriation of personal pictures and DDOS attacks on community websites that GoonSwarm leaders have faced over the years. This includes death threats, intimidating phone calls and threats against family members and pets.
I make this accusation with the same amount of evidence as Jade makes his, which is to say absolutely none whatsoever. |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
5
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 22:57:00 -
[98] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Argyle Jones wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: If you don't care then stop sending letters to the people I work with.
They really did that? Yep. The goons take their spaceship politics VERY seriously. I would like to see verifiable proof of this.
I don't doubt in the slightest that it's happened, but to write a wall of words about how it's an issue solely caused or pioneered by goons (particularly when goon leaders are frequently targetted) is completely unhinged.
I recall ASCN directors complaining about real life harrassment like phone calls in the middle of the night back before they collapsed, goons were politically insignificant back then and definitely uninvolved. Ultimately it comes down to Jade's unhealthy hatred of a particular in-game alliance v0v |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
243
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 23:05:00 -
[99] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote: Bladibla
To quote your leaders favoutite words.
NPC alts hold no relevance. So back into the woodwork or pile of dung you crawled out of. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.09 23:08:00 -
[100] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote: Clearly it must have been a goon
Your old friend CCP Sreegs had similar issues at his previous job, I guess we should assume it must have been a Star Fraction member that tried to get him fired?
Obviously I have no knowledge of what happened in CCP Sreeg's case. But I certainly noted identical links, text and RL harrassment between the mails sent to my employers and "trolls" posted on these very forums by senior goons. Coincidence.Unlikely
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.04.10 00:09:00 -
[101] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Its a bit pathetic that all we've seen in this thread is childish alts of goons (who presumably got banned for badposting long before). Any time they are faced with an actual argument they run for the hills and roll on their bellies and call in the alt-tastic unfunny smear brigade.
But the fact remains, Eve online as a game needs to move beyond this rubbish really. If we're to keep the no-holds-barred brutal in-game reality we've grown fond of then certain kinds of out of game RL personal attack rubbish needs to be ruled beyond the pale.
I don't mind goons in space suicide ganking people. I don't mind goons trying to scam the credulous. I don't mind goons blobbing and bubbling and generally making themselves unpleasant in 0.0.
Thats all gameplay end of the day.
My issue is with those goons who have such a tenuous grasp on reality that they believe making out of game attacks on the RL identity and livelihood of in-game enemies is part of Eve's grand tradition of "meta-game".
These guys are the most pitiable creatures on the internet really: the mouthbreathing unwashed basement dwelling poison-pen spewing self-hating cybernerds in the spotlight.
And anyone who wants to see Eve online remain a full on pvp game (rather than getting over-sanitized in knee-jerk response to the frankly insane antics of a few dozen internet madmen) should join in condemning this behaviour without reservation.
The real question of all this is "who is griefing who" when RL attacks and OOC harrassment become the norm of Eve metagame. One might think its an easy question to answer with "well its the victim isn't it?" But the reality is more complex.
The consequence of Gianturco's behaviour at fanfest this year will likely be that nobody gets to drink in public at future events and talk about Eve in a relaxed manner of comradely intoxication.
The consequence of Goonswarm Cyberbullying and ooc harrassment will likely be that somebody ends up dead and Eve will pay the penalty of being flayed in the press.
The consequence of SA culture dominatiing Eve culture is that this game community is seen as a poisonous snake-pit by the gaming media and other MMO players and rather than respecting the "core game" harshness and admirable difficulty level of Eve, they end up despising the petty-minded vindictive bully-culture laden with sexism, homophobia and racist frat-boy antics that would make most student campus societies call for expulsion.
Goons once were rumoured to have come to Eve to "destroy the game". They refined the message to we're here to "destroy your game."
Ironic that the latest target group for destruction is the hard core gamers who want to play a full-tilt full death penalty open world MMO without crossing the line into Cyber-bullying, Internet Harrassment and outright out of game criminality.
Food for thought.
Irrelevant internet forums superstar Jade Constantine posts yet another essay on goons, and how all goons are clearly out to get him. Within this essay he says goons released his info, while simultaneously re-re-re-re-releasing the irl info of another goon. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.04.10 00:10:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote: Clearly it must have been a goon
Your old friend CCP Sreegs had similar issues at his previous job, I guess we should assume it must have been a Star Fraction member that tried to get him fired?
Obviously I have no knowledge of what happened in CCP Sreeg's case. But I certainly noted identical links, text and RL harrassment between the mails sent to my employers and "trolls" posted on these very forums by senior goons. Coincidence.Unlikely
It's almost like the entire eve community knows you ran a space brothel, and not just a few ELITE SENIOR GOONS.
edit: haha you ran a space brothel
e2: as a woman, in space |
Cryo Huren
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.10 00:15:00 -
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How's your Arthurian studies going Jade? |
Cryo Huren
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.10 00:19:00 -
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Sir Marksalot wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:HELIC0N ONE wrote: Clearly it must have been a goon
Your old friend CCP Sreegs had similar issues at his previous job, I guess we should assume it must have been a Star Fraction member that tried to get him fired?
Obviously I have no knowledge of what happened in CCP Sreeg's case. But I certainly noted identical links, text and RL harrassment between the mails sent to my employers and "trolls" posted on these very forums by senior goons. Coincidence.Unlikely It's almost like the entire eve community knows you ran a space brothel, and not just a few ELITE SENIOR GOONS. edit: haha you ran a space brothel e2: as a woman, in space
Don't forget as a woman with a schlong |
Selene Evgenia
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.10 00:34:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Its a bit pathetic that all we've seen in this thread is childish alts of goons (who presumably got banned for badposting long before). Any time they are faced with an actual argument they run for the hills and roll on their bellies and call in the alt-tastic unfunny smear brigade.
Please go on more about my living conditions and hygiene habits while lamenting said smear brigade. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 00:58:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Its a bit pathetic that all we've seen in this thread is childish alts of goons (who presumably got banned for badposting long before). Any time they are faced with an actual argument they run for the hills and roll on their bellies and call in the alt-tastic unfunny smear brigade.
But the fact remains, Eve online as a game needs to move beyond this rubbish really. If we're to keep the no-holds-barred brutal in-game reality we've grown fond of then certain kinds of out of game RL personal attack rubbish needs to be ruled beyond the pale.
I don't mind goons in space suicide ganking people. I don't mind goons trying to scam the credulous. I don't mind goons blobbing and bubbling and generally making themselves unpleasant in 0.0.
Thats all gameplay end of the day.
My issue is with those goons who have such a tenuous grasp on reality that they believe making out of game attacks on the RL identity and livelihood of in-game enemies is part of Eve's grand tradition of "meta-game".
These guys are the most pitiable creatures on the internet really: the mouthbreathing unwashed basement dwelling poison-pen spewing self-hating cybernerds in the spotlight.
And anyone who wants to see Eve online remain a full on pvp game (rather than getting over-sanitized in knee-jerk response to the frankly insane antics of a few dozen internet madmen) should join in condemning this behaviour without reservation.
The real question of all this is "who is griefing who" when RL attacks and OOC harrassment become the norm of Eve metagame. One might think its an easy question to answer with "well its the victim isn't it?" But the reality is more complex.
The consequence of Gianturco's behaviour at fanfest this year will likely be that nobody gets to drink in public at future events and talk about Eve in a relaxed manner of comradely intoxication.
The consequence of Goonswarm Cyberbullying and ooc harrassment will likely be that somebody ends up dead and Eve will pay the penalty of being flayed in the press.
The consequence of SA culture dominatiing Eve culture is that this game community is seen as a poisonous snake-pit by the gaming media and other MMO players and rather than respecting the "core game" harshness and admirable difficulty level of Eve, they end up despising the petty-minded vindictive bully-culture laden with sexism, homophobia and racist frat-boy antics that would make most student campus societies call for expulsion.
Goons once were rumoured to have come to Eve to "destroy the game". They refined the message to we're here to "destroy your game."
Ironic that the latest target group for destruction is the hard core gamers who want to play a full-tilt full death penalty open world MMO without crossing the line into Cyber-bullying, Internet Harrassment and outright out of game criminality.
Food for thought.
Just in case the goons in the thread fancy taking a shot at debating the subject (rather than continuing to provide examples of the bad behaviour mentioned.)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Cryo Huren
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.10 01:36:00 -
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You'll never have a froo-froo |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.04.10 02:24:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Just in case the goons in the thread fancy taking a shot at debating the subject (rather than continuing to provide examples of the bad behaviour mentioned.)
I'm drunk, so I'll bite in Two-Post form. This is so you know that I've put serious effort into this.
And to stop you before you start, this is not a real debate. I don't care what the rules were in your highschool and or college debate club. Ad hominem owns.
Jade Constantine wrote: My issue is with those goons who have such a tenuous grasp on reality that they believe making out of game attacks on the RL identity and livelihood of in-game enemies is part of Eve's grand tradition of "meta-game".
These guys are the most pitiable creatures on the internet really: the mouthbreathing unwashed basement dwelling poison-pen spewing self-hating cybernerds in the spotlight.
Well, you sure seem to talk about these guys alot. All 1-4 of them. Good luck with that I guess.
Jade Constantine wrote: And anyone who wants to see Eve online remain a full on pvp game (rather than getting over-sanitized in knee-jerk response to the frankly insane antics of a few dozen internet madmen) should join in condemning this behaviour without reservation.
You heard it here folks, CCP will turn off PvP because of goons. I say because of goons because clearly goons are the only people who e-stalk people.
Jade Constantine wrote: The real question of all this is "who is griefing who" when RL attacks and OOC harrassment become the norm of Eve metagame. One might think its an easy question to answer with "well its the victim isn't it?" But the reality is more complex.
The consequence of Gianturco's behaviour at fanfest this year will likely be that nobody gets to drink in public at future events and talk about Eve in a relaxed manner of comradely intoxication.
How dare ALL THE GOONS contact my employer that one time! By the way here is the name of their alliance leader! I sure hope OOC and Out of Game harassment doesn't become the new norm for Eve Online! By the say, did you know the name of the goonwaffe CEO is...
Jade Constantine wrote: The consequence of Goonswarm Cyberbullying and ooc harrassment will likely be that somebody ends up dead and Eve will pay the penalty of being flayed in the press.
Nice try, but nobody buys this.
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.04.10 02:24:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: The consequence of SA culture dominatiing Eve culture is that this game community is seen as a poisonous snake-pit by the gaming media and other MMO players and rather than respecting the "core game" harshness and admirable difficulty level of Eve, they end up despising the petty-minded vindictive bully-culture laden with sexism, homophobia and racist frat-boy antics that would make most student campus societies call for expulsion.
Have you ever even looked at the www dot Something Awful dot com forums? Because I think you've confused them with 4chan.
Jade Constantine wrote: Goons once were rumoured to have come to Eve to "destroy the game". They refined the message to we're here to "destroy your game."
Ironic that the latest target group for destruction is the hard core gamers who want to play a full-tilt full death penalty open world MMO without crossing the line into Cyber-bullying, Internet Harrassment and outright out of game criminality.
Food for thought.
Ah, yes, the innocent non-goon eve playing masses who have never once done anything creepy to people out of game. Like that one time Evil Thug or whoever it was tried to get someone to go to an enemy titan pilot's house and cut his power.
In conclusion, stop trying too hard to be a relevant forums superstar, stop writing so many halfassed essays on eve-o about the big bad goonies who are going to literally destroy eve. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
243
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Posted - 2012.04.10 13:14:00 -
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I love it how Goons swarm in here with feeble attacks on Jade.
We know why they do so. It's because Jade was a more prominent figure who also spoke fervently for applying the rules on The Mittani just as they would on others for breaking some rule(s).
Seeing that Jade is eloquent and to the point and the fact that The Mittani singled out a few specific characters, of which one was Jade, those now get targetted by his pubbie henchmen. It just displays the poor quality of people behind the characters. How easy it is to manipulate the weakminded flock on the CFC core alliance to bid their masters will. This just proves how dangerous The Mittani's speech and singling out a specific player was at the Fanfest and how right CCP was in applying sanctions. Now a new witchhunt season has been opened by The Mittani by singling out a few others who dared to oppose him.
He doesn't have to call out to his flock to go harrass. He merely has to mention names in a negative way and the herd under his wings can't await to eagerly please their (puppet)master. This kind of idolation has been seen time after time in human history. And not one of those segments in history are remembered fondly but only with shame and denial.
EVE was a game a few years ago, but sadly enough the game part has been lawined in by people who's ego's grew far outside the gaming world. Even worse is the herd of simpleminded drones who just can't wait till someone leads them to be as inhumane as possible.
Throw off the shackles. Freedom of speech and more like that sort of uproars sprout over the internet. Regardless if their own socalled freedom is hurtfull, damaging or narrowing others freedom. As soon as freedom of speech get's abused to hurt others it loses it's true spirit and becomes nothing else than a weapon to hurt, deny and overcome other people. No need to discuss on a normal level. It's so damn easy to hide behind anonimity of the internet or behind your own personal points of vieuw without any regard to others. Why even take responcebility for your actions. That isn't part of freedom, right.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 13:43:00 -
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Well Marksalot, firstly I do acknowledge the effort you made in addressing the post rather than simply slurring out personal attacks and ooc harassment like many of your fellows, so points for that.
For what itGÇÖs worth I too have never really believed in the ad hominem fallacy as a debating sacred cow. Sometimes it really is appropriate to attack the credibility of the person making the argument GÇô particularly on an internet forum where so many GÇ£argumentsGÇ¥ are actually rather cowardly deployments via alts and sock-puppets. By default (to my eyes) the argument of a person posting with their main and established Eve identity is more valid than the argument of an alt or cloaked identity because of the courage of convictions / standing up to be counted thing. Throwaway alts lead to throwaway opinions and hence ad hominem GÇ£you donGÇÖt count because you are an altGÇ¥ does have some credence.
Now then, you begin by hinting that just because IGÇÖm referencing a smallish subgroup (1-4) of Goons with the worst behaviour IGÇÖm being unfair to categorize the whole by their misdeeds. Problem is these few do set the tone for the average goon member. Many if not most goons are simply uncreative / unimaginative followers. They use the goon-wiki and other internal sources to inform their behaviour.
One of the GÇ£1-4 mouthbreathing unwashed basement dwelling poison-pen spewing self-hating cybernerdsGÇ¥ (you acknowledge do exist in Goonswarm) simply needs to post an Eve enemies real life picture beside accusation of child-abuse on your wiki GÇô and thousands of others will repeat this accusation by uncritical repetition and unconscious peer-pressure. Hence the 1-4 GÇ£worst examplesGÇ¥ of your community will inevitably come to be the leading opinion-makers and will beat the drum for the thousand footsoldiers behind.
You go on misrepresent my next line, claiming I have said that CCP will GÇ£turn offGÇ¥ pvp GÇ£because of goonsGÇ¥ which is not what IGÇÖve said at all. Nor have I said that goons are the only people that e-stalk people.
What I have said is that goons are the poster-children for e-stalking and extreme metagaming of out of game attacks. Currently we have an issue going up in the assembly hall for CSM members to have anonymity through fear of cyber-stalking (largely perpetrated by goons) because of the understanding (born from assessment of SA culture) that anything posted on the internet is a valid weapon against an enemy (including oneGÇÖs RL name, photograph, contact details and RL address.)
GoonGÇÖs very much popularized e-stalking in eve online. The smoske signatures mocking a rl playerGÇÖs death. The lady scarlet harassment campaign to drive an enemy corp leader from the game, even the constant GÇ£e-prostituteGÇ¥ allegations made against me to this day. Your leader GÇ£MittaniGÇ¥ in his Ten Ton hammer column has gloried in the metagamed destruction of foes out of game (mocking SirMolle's blue collar job as a heating repairman for example) and he (mittani) quite understands the role that harassment and bullying against the player fills in these endeavours.
When I say that Eve risks getting GÇ£over-sanitizedGÇ¥ as a knee-jerk response to Goon misbehaviour the kind of thing I mean is this:
IGÇÖm a roleplayer in this game. My character is not me. Your character is not you. I play a radical anarchist guerrilla/terrorist with an agenda to undermine nationalist imperialism in New Eden (the game world we play in). A large part of my roleplay used to be psychological warfare against in-character leaders and organizations delivered by public propaganda and local chat channels. Once upon a time IGÇÖd have been quite happy telling the Caldari nationalist CEO of a statist corp to GÇ£end himselfGÇ¥ or GÇ£commit corporate seppuku to assuage the shame of his cowardice in warGÇ¥. This was an adult roleplaying game and adult themes of death and murder and intrigue were acceptable.
But because your leader GÇ£MittaniGÇ¥ doesnGÇÖt believe Eve is a roleplaying game. And because Goons have taken the GÇ£kill yourselfGÇ¥ meme to the extreme of trying to harass a target player to suicide on-state at fanfest on live internet feeds. Now the impact is that I wouldnGÇÖt dare to say such a thing even in roleplay because the chances are that Eve GMGÇÖs have become supersensitive to this terminology and will use the GÇ£RP is not a cloak for bullyingGÇ¥ term of the EULA to warn and ban me simply for roleplaying Jade the anarchist terrorist against statist government.
This is a tiny single example of goonswarm ruining an aspect of the game by undermining the notion of roleplay separation between player and character. You guys donGÇÖt believe in this separation GÇô so you donGÇÖt believe anyone else should. Your culture doesnGÇÖt allow difference, its your way or the high way, and the consequence is that you will push matters to extremes by using this kind of threat against the player (which is e-harassment) in order to have the language sanitized by CCP in knee-jerk response.
Then we are back to the GÇ£this one time doesnGÇÖt matterGÇ¥ / GÇ£it was just that one timeGÇ¥ thing.
You acknowledge that members of the goonswarm attempted RL harassment / e-bullying against my RL identity. But it doesnGÇÖt matter (to you) because it was GÇ£just this one timeGÇ¥ and it was GÇ£some other goon wot did itGÇ¥.
Fine, so why donGÇÖt YOU go and do what you can to separate yourself from this behaviour by removing my RL picture (and associated abuse) from the goonwiki which you have access too? CanGÇÖt be bothered? Or perhaps itGÇÖs because you agree with the notion of metagaming a RL personal attack against an GÇ£enemy player.GÇ¥ See how quickly the GÇ£its some other guyGÇ¥ becomes something you can be held responsible for.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 13:44:00 -
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You state boldly that GÇ£nobody buysGÇ¥ that a likely consequence of Goonswarm cyberbullying will be that somebody ends up dead. Why? Its not like vulnerable people have not already committed suicide on the internet to the mocking cries of cyber-bullying is it? There have been examples. And I say to you that some of the things that go on in Eve Online originating from Goonswarm are pretty damned terrible. The fact that nobody from Eve has yet (to our knowledge) topped themselves over your abuse is probably a credit to the fact that Eve players ARE pretty tough customers on average. I mean IGÇÖve put up with five years of constant abuse and harassment from goons and IGÇÖm listed as one of the ancient archetypal foes of your organization on your internal wiki.
But CCP wants this game to grow. They want to introduce new players to the universe of New Eden. Dust 514 will bring a younger audience. Expansion will involve diluting the GÇ£hard as nailsGÇ¥ community of Eve with some softer-core arrivals from elsewhere. You only have to look at comments and reactions to Eve scandal stories in the wider gaming press to see the naked horror a lot of these people see for the e-harassment and cyber-bullying that Goonswarm rejoices in to understand a clash of cultures is coming and sooner or later some ordinary gamer is going to harassed into doing something stupid and regrettably by Goons spamming pictures of his photoshopped face book profile picture in 0.0 local.
As for Something Awful forums. Yes, I have looked at them. I have read the Goonswarm Specific threads and seen Eve Goons talking about their community there and how much they despise the game and non goon (pubbie) community of Eve Online. IGÇÖve seen casual racist and sexist epithets, IGÇÖve seen people urged to suicide, self-harm, self-destruction. IGÇÖve seen MittaniGÇÖs wife trying to justify his behaviour, IGÇÖve seen various goon-columnists mocking the gaming sites they write for and acting astonished at the way they are getting roasted in the feedback comments to those articles. IGÇÖve seen the nonsense strategizing over a counterattack vs Massively and Rock Paper Shotgun up too and including legal threats against anyone prepared to use the name Gianturco and term Cyberbully in the same sentence.
The difference between 4chan and Something Awful is that the 4chanGÇÖrs know they are absurd and revel in their lack of morality and taste. The Eve SA community by contrast believes itGÇÖs better than anyone else and justifies its e-harassment and online bullying by claimed internet-aristocracy and assumed intellectual superiority. 4chanGÇÖrs are gutter punks really. But SA Goons are trust fund fraternity cliques who want to take their casual racism and hateful rhetoric into government.
And finally, really, you link to your great leaderGÇÖs Ten Ton hammer column for evidence of a non-goonGÇÖs e-stalking. Who knows really if Evil Thug really did pay a Russian Ninja to sabotage a power bloc? We all have apocryphal stories of ancient eve history after all. But the reality weGÇÖre talking about is current and contemporary, the continuing behaviour of Goonswarm inspired by your leader and reflected in the content of your posting brigade and Goonswarm Wiki.
I am quite sure that other non-goons have done some terrible things in the history of Eve Online. But IGÇÖm also sure that no other organization has done as much to glorify the casual abuse and continual harassment and e-stalking/e-bullying of other eve players, as Goonswarm has to this date.
Ultimately the situation is not tenable. Not for the Eve player base, not for CCP, and not for the future agenda of an improving and widening game universe. The consequence of Goonswarm continuing an unrepentant and unreformed agenda of e-harrassment is going to be a rapid GÇ£pussificationGÇ¥ of the game universe that your leader spoke of in his last address.
He knows this, thatGÇÖs why he wants to push it to a confrontation so heGÇÖll end up having justification to quit with what he perceives to be the high moral ground of being GÇ£unfairly censuredGÇ¥ by CCP. IGÇÖm sure thatGÇÖll be the victory for him and his wife in the long term.
But the victims will be the hardcore Eve players pvpers, roleplayers, psychological warriors, plotters and schemers in this game universe who will find the sandbox a little more restrictive because CCP knee-jerked to protect their reputation and profit line for the future of their employees and shareholders.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.10 13:58:00 -
[113] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: ~Words nonsurprisingly similar to Hitlers speeches~
So we are jews and communists and plot to destroy eve/Europe style of life and make all pubbie transdresser like you our slaves? After 7 years still nothing new from pubbies like you?I would say that i am disappoint,but sadly i am not because it is entirely on your intelectual and behavioral level |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:00:00 -
[114] - Quote
post with your main.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:01:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:post with your main.
I am
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:02:00 -
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Or are you planning to usurp my ability to post because i dont fullfill your reqiurements of purity of race/worthy RPing name? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:07:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Or are you planning to usurp my ability to post because i dont fullfill your reqiurements of purity of race/worthy RPing name?
No I'd just like you to post with your main rather than hiding behind a fake posting identity (most likely because your main got banned for rl-harrassing other eve players).
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:13:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Or are you planning to usurp my ability to post because i dont fullfill your reqiurements of purity of race/worthy RPing name? No I'd just like you to post with your main rather than hiding behind a fake posting identity (most likely because your main got banned for rl-harrassing other eve players).
So now you are accusing me of being cyberbully?
Yes/not or stfu pls... |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:19:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Or are you planning to usurp my ability to post because i dont fullfill your reqiurements of purity of race/worthy RPing name? No I'd just like you to post with your main rather than hiding behind a fake posting identity (most likely because your main got banned for rl-harrassing other eve players). So now you are accusing me of being cyberbully? Yes/not or stfu pls...
Everyone can see your registration date. Your posting history is public knowledge. You have made 28 posts (of 29) in the period since Mittani got banned. You post identically to any of thousand random goon trolls and you are clearly using this identity to continue the nonsense you began on another character.
Your posts are generally one-liner insults and its clear you don't care if this character gets banned either. Its the scattergun approach of e-harrassment and forum cyber bullying really. You derail other threads and try to wind up people so they get their own more valuable posting identities with some actual reputation endangered by engaging with you.
So sure, its a strategy you are using. Bravo. But it doesn't really fool anyone.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:27:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Or are you planning to usurp my ability to post because i dont fullfill your reqiurements of purity of race/worthy RPing name? No I'd just like you to post with your main rather than hiding behind a fake posting identity (most likely because your main got banned for rl-harrassing other eve players). So now you are accusing me of being cyberbully? Yes/not or stfu pls... Everyone can see your registration date. Your posting history is public knowledge. You have made 28 posts (of 29) in the period since Mittani got banned. You post identically to any of thousand random goon trolls and you are clearly using this identity to continue the nonsense you began on another character. Your posts are generally one-liner insults and its clear you don't care if this character gets banned either. Its the scattergun approach of e-harrassment and forum cyber bullying really. You derail other threads and try to wind up people so they get their own more valuable posting identities with some actual reputation endangered by engaging with you. So sure, its a strategy you are using. Bravo. But it doesn't really fool anyone.
So okay,
you are accusing me of being cyberbully just because you checked my posting history,and while doing so you forgot to check my employment history and i started posting here after Mr. Mittens ban simply because i joined cfc where posting on forums is endorsed after mittens ban and in my before corp and alliance posting here was looking down and "not supported"
Also you are not claiming that only I am cyberbully,but that all the GS and CFC are cyberbullies?8k persons are cyberbullies simply that some of them are on forums you despise?
And if you try to answer my questions (if you try it for first time...) can you tell me if you really think that your thoughts are rational or you can admit that you are driven by irrational hate? |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:27:00 -
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Well Marksalot, firstly I do acknowledge the effort you made in addressing the post rather than simply slurring out personal attacks and ooc harassment like many of your fellows, so points for that.
For what itGÇÖs worth I too have never really believed in the ad hominem fallacy as a debating sacred cow. Sometimes it really is appropriate to attack the credibility of the person making the argument GÇô particularly on an internet forum where so many GÇ£argumentsGÇ¥ are actually rather cowardly deployments via alts and sock-puppets. By default (to my eyes) the argument of a person posting with their main and established Eve identity is more valid than the argument of an alt or cloaked identity because of the courage of convictions / standing up to be counted thing. Throwaway alts lead to throwaway opinions and hence ad hominem GÇ£you donGÇÖt count because you are an altGÇ¥ does have some credence.
Now then, you begin by hinting that just because IGÇÖm referencing a smallish subgroup (1-4) of Goons with the worst behaviour IGÇÖm being unfair to categorize the whole by their misdeeds. Problem is these few do set the tone for the average goon member. Many if not most goons are simply uncreative / unimaginative followers. They use the goon-wiki and other internal sources to inform their behaviour.
One of the GÇ£1-4 mouthbreathing unwashed basement dwelling poison-pen spewing self-hating cybernerdsGÇ¥ (you acknowledge do exist in Goonswarm) simply needs to post an Eve enemies real life picture beside accusation of child-abuse on your wiki GÇô and thousands of others will repeat this accusation by uncritical repetition and unconscious peer-pressure. Hence the 1-4 GÇ£worst examplesGÇ¥ of your community will inevitably come to be the leading opinion-makers and will beat the drum for the thousand footsoldiers behind.
You go on to misrepresent my next line, claiming I have said that CCP will GÇ£turn offGÇ¥ pvp GÇ£because of goonsGÇ¥ which is not what IGÇÖve said at all. Nor have I said that goons are the only people that e-stalk people.
What I have said is that goons are the poster-children for e-stalking and extreme metagaming of out of game attacks. Currently we have an issue going up in the assembly hall for CSM members to have anonymity through fear of cyber-stalking (largely perpetrated by goons) because of the understanding (born from assessment of SA culture) that anything posted on the internet is a valid weapon against an enemy (including oneGÇÖs RL name, photograph, contact details and RL address.)
GoonGÇÖs very much popularized e-stalking in eve online. The smoske signatures mocking a rl playerGÇÖs death. The lady scarlet harassment campaign to drive an enemy corp leader from the game, even the constant GÇ£e-prostituteGÇ¥ allegations made against me to this day. Your leader GÇ£MittaniGÇ¥ in his Ten Ton hammer column has gloried in the metagamed destruction of foes out of game (mocking SirMolle's blue collar job as a heating repairman for example) and he (mittani) quite understands the role that harassment and bullying against the player fills in these endeavours.
When I say that Eve risks getting GÇ£over-sanitizedGÇ¥ as a knee-jerk response to Goon misbehaviour the kind of thing I mean is this:
IGÇÖm a roleplayer in this game. My character is not me. Your character is not you. I play a radical anarchist guerrilla/terrorist with an agenda to undermine nationalist imperialism in New Eden (the game world we play in). A large part of my roleplay used to be psychological warfare against in-character leaders and organizations delivered by public propaganda and local chat channels. Once upon a time IGÇÖd have been quite happy telling the Caldari nationalist CEO of a statist corp to GÇ£end himselfGÇ¥ or GÇ£commit corporate seppuku to assuage the shame of his cowardice in warGÇ¥. This was an adult roleplaying game and adult themes of death and murder and intrigue were acceptable.
But because your leader GÇ£MittaniGÇ¥ doesnGÇÖt believe Eve is a roleplaying game. And because Goons have taken the GÇ£kill yourselfGÇ¥ meme to the extreme of trying to harass a target player to suicide on-stage at fanfest on live internet feeds. Now the impact is that I wouldnGÇÖt dare to say such a thing even in roleplay because the chances are that Eve GMGÇÖs have become supersensitive to this terminology and will use the GÇ£RP is not a cloak for bullyingGÇ¥ term of the EULA to warn and ban me simply for roleplaying Jade the anarchist terrorist against statist government.
This is a tiny single example of goonswarm ruining an aspect of the game by undermining the notion of roleplay separation between player and character. You guys donGÇÖt believe in this separation GÇô so you donGÇÖt believe anyone else should. Your culture doesnGÇÖt allow difference, its your way or the high way, and the consequence is that you will push matters to extremes by using this kind of threat against the player (which is e-harassment) in order to have the language sanitized by CCP in knee-jerk response.
Then we are back to the GÇ£this one time doesnGÇÖt matterGÇ¥ / GÇ£it was just that one timeGÇ¥ thing.
You acknowledge that members of the goonswarm attempted RL harassment / e-bullying against my RL identity. But it doesnGÇÖt matter (to you) because it was GÇ£just this one timeGÇ¥ and it was GÇ£some other goon wot did itGÇ¥.
Fine, so why donGÇÖt YOU go and do what you can to separate yourself from this behaviour by removing my RL picture (and associated abuse) from the goonwiki which you have access too? CanGÇÖt be bothered? Or perhaps itGÇÖs because you agree with the notion of metagaming a RL personal attack against an GÇ£enemy player.GÇ¥ See how quickly the GÇ£its some other guyGÇ¥ becomes something you can be held responsible for.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:27:00 -
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You state boldly that GÇ£nobody buysGÇ¥ that a likely consequence of Goonswarm cyberbullying will be that somebody ends up dead.
Why? Its not like vulnerable people have not already committed suicide on the internet to the mocking cries of cyber-bullying is it? There have been examples. I recall a guy killing himself live on skype while the chatroom trolls urged him on reaching the newspapers a couple of years ago.
And I say to you that some of the things that go on in Eve Online originating from Goonswarm are pretty damned terrible. The fact that nobody from Eve has yet (to our knowledge) topped themselves over your abuse is probably a credit to the fact that Eve players ARE pretty tough customers on average. I mean IGÇÖve put up with five years of constant abuse and harassment from goons and IGÇÖm listed as one of the ancient archetypal foes of your organization on your internal wiki. The volume of hatred and frenzy coming out of your guys is astonishing sometimes. I had friends in this game say to me. "Are you SURE you want to go to fanfest aren't you afraid some goon will try and knife you?" (fortunately I'm well most goons are far less bite than bark).
But CCP wants this game to grow. They want to introduce new players to the universe of New Eden. Dust 514 will bring a younger audience. Expansion will involve diluting the GÇ£hard as nailsGÇ¥ community of Eve with some softer-core arrivals from elsewhere.
You only have to look at comments and reactions to Eve scandal stories in the wider gaming press to see the naked horror a lot of these people see for the e-harassment and cyber-bullying that Goonswarm rejoices in to understand a clash of cultures is coming and sooner or later some ordinary gamer is going to harassed into doing something stupid and regrettable by Goons spamming pictures of his or her photoshopped face book profile picture in 0.0 local.
As for Something Awful forums. Yes, I have looked at them. I have read the Goonswarm Specific threads and seen Eve Goons talking about their community there and how much they despise the game and non goon (pubbie) community of Eve Online.
IGÇÖve seen casual racist and sexist epithets, IGÇÖve seen people urged to suicide, self-harm, self-destruction. IGÇÖve seen MittaniGÇÖs wife trying to justify his behaviour, IGÇÖve seen various goon-columnists mocking the gaming sites they write for and acting astonished at the way they are getting roasted in the feedback comments to those articles.
IGÇÖve seen the nonsense strategizing over a counterattack vs Massively and Rock Paper Shotgun up to and including legal threats against anyone prepared to use the name Gianturco and term Cyberbully in the same sentence. Really its quite astonishing how truly "out there" the various lawyers and investment bankers and real estate agents writing for SA can be.
The difference between 4chan and Something Awful is that the 4chanGÇÖrs know they are absurd and revel in their lack of morality and taste. The Eve SA community by contrast believes itGÇÖs better than anyone else and justifies its e-harassment and online bullying by claimed internet-aristocracy and assumed intellectual superiority. 4chanGÇÖrs are gutter punks really. But SA Goons are trust fund fraternity cliques who want to take their casual racism and hateful rhetoric into government (in this case Eve CSM) hence the amazing outpouring of angsty entitlement rage that attended Mittani's removal.
And finally, really, you link to your great leaderGÇÖs Ten Ton hammer column for evidence of a non-goonGÇÖs e-stalking. Hardly a reputable independent source is it? Right now Ten Ton hammer is getting urged to cancel that column because its readers are annoyed at seeing a Cyber-bully using their site as a bully-pulpit to beat on his player enemies.
But who knows really if Evil Thug really did pay a Russian Ninja to sabotage a power bloc? We all have apocryphal stories of ancient eve history after all. But the reality weGÇÖre talking about is current and contemporary, the continuing behaviour of Goonswarm inspired by your leader and reflected in the content of your posting brigade and Goonswarm Wiki.
I am quite sure that other non-goons have done some terrible things in the history of Eve Online. But IGÇÖm also sure that no other organization has done as much to glorify the casual abuse and continual harassment and e-stalking/e-bullying of other eve players, as Goonswarm has to this date.
Ultimately the situation is not tenable. Not for the Eve player base, not for CCP, and not for the future agenda of an improving and widening game universe. The consequence of Goonswarm continuing an unrepentant and unreformed agenda of e-harrassment is going to be a rapid GÇ£pussificationGÇ¥ of the game universe that your leader spoke of in his last address.
He knows this, thatGÇÖs why he wants to push it to a confrontation so heGÇÖll end up having justification to quit with what he perceives to be the high moral ground of being GÇ£unfairly censuredGÇ¥ by CCP. IGÇÖm sure thatGÇÖll be the victory for him and his wife in the long term. "Eve Online burns itself because of goons LOL!"
But the victims will be the hardcore Eve players pvpers, roleplayers, psychological warriors, plotters and schemers in this game universe who will find the sandbox a little more restrictive because CCP knee-jerked to protect their reputation and profit line for the future of their employees and shareholders.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:34:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Or are you planning to usurp my ability to post because i dont fullfill your reqiurements of purity of race/worthy RPing name? No I'd just like you to post with your main rather than hiding behind a fake posting identity (most likely because your main got banned for rl-harrassing other eve players). So now you are accusing me of being cyberbully? Yes/not or stfu pls... Everyone can see your registration date. Your posting history is public knowledge. You have made 28 posts (of 29) in the period since Mittani got banned. You post identically to any of thousand random goon trolls and you are clearly using this identity to continue the nonsense you began on another character. Your posts are generally one-liner insults and its clear you don't care if this character gets banned either. Its the scattergun approach of e-harrassment and forum cyber bullying really. You derail other threads and try to wind up people so they get their own more valuable posting identities with some actual reputation endangered by engaging with you. So sure, its a strategy you are using. Bravo. But it doesn't really fool anyone. So okay, you are accusing me of being cyberbully just because you checked my posting history,and while doing so you forgot to check my employment history and i started posting here after Mr. Mittens ban simply because i joined cfc where posting on forums is endorsed after mittens ban and in my before corp and alliance posting here was looking down and "not supported" Also you are not claiming that only I am cyberbully,but that all the GS and CFC are cyberbullies?8k persons are cyberbullies simply that some of them are on forums you despise? And if you try to answer my questions (if you try it for first time...) can you tell me if you really think that your thoughts are rational or you can admit that you are driven by irrational hate?
Post with your main and I'll be happy to debate with you.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:38:00 -
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As i just proved i am posting with my main,but you in your fanatical blind rage towards cfc still try to dismiss it and valid points in my posts...
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
243
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:43:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:As i just proved i am posting with my main,but you in your fanatical blind rage towards cfc still try to dismiss it and valid points in my posts...
Rofl. There is no prove this is your main. The fact you want to discuss things that happened way way before you joined the game in a manner asif you have any clue as what it's about alone indicates the opposite.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:47:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:As i just proved i am posting with my main,but you in your fanatical blind rage towards cfc still try to dismiss it and valid points in my posts...
Rofl. There is no prove this is your main. The fact you want to discuss things that happened way way before you joined the game in a manner asif you have any clue as what it's about alone indicates the opposite.
Here's a man that gets it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:50:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:As i just proved i am posting with my main,but you in your fanatical blind rage towards cfc still try to dismiss it and valid points in my posts...
Rofl. There is no prove this is your main. The fact you want to discuss things that happened way way before you joined the game in a manner asif you have any clue as what it's about alone indicates the opposite. Here's a man that gets it.
There is man who is lucky to use discussion figure of rebuttal. Why cant i know event of past if i am interested in history of eveand okay to use forum searching and blog digging to get known with it?Just because players like you dont wish me to be too clever?WHY they wish it?Because its easire to spread the hate amongst uninformed... |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:56:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote: Why cant i know event of past if i am interested in history of eveand okay to use forum searching and blog digging to get known with it?
Then here is a suggestion to you. If you want to sound like a player who is NOT posting on a disaposable forum alt then try addressing other people's posts rather than making stupid little snipes and trying weak second hand goon trolling memes.
A few posts above there is a substantive reply I made to a goonswarm player. By all means go and make a cup of tea, clear your thoughts, then come back and read it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
244
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:59:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:
There is man who is lucky to use discussion figure of rebuttal. Why cant i know event of past if i am interested in history of eveand okay to use forum searching and blog digging to get known with it?Just because players like you dont wish me to be too clever?WHY they wish it?Because its easire to spread the hate amongst uninformed...
The whole " I am interested in EVE history and then your posting suggests clearly where you have been searching and which blogs you have been digging in. You did a one sided research and formed your opinion on that.
I would applaud it if the average EVE player would attempt to become clever, but even more so if they would attempt to be well informed. And on the topic of spreading hate amongst the uninformed you should really work a bit to get the whole story. I am sure you grasp what I am implying there. Now are you clever and know how to do the work to find the information I am hinting to and are you intelligent enough to form your own opinion after finding the whole story and not only the parts you were looking for.
It's easy to look at history as it is dished out to you, but remember, history is written by those who won. But the ones that lost also have a history, but it's easier to forget that.
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:08:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote: Why cant i know event of past if i am interested in history of eveand okay to use forum searching and blog digging to get known with it?
Then here is a suggestion to you. If you want to sound like a player who is NOT posting on a disaposable forum alt then try addressing other people's posts rather than making stupid little snipes and trying weak second hand goon trolling memes. A few posts above there is a substantive reply I made to a goonswarm player. By all means go and make a cup of tea, clear your thoughts, then come back and read it.
Well,your "substantive reply" is in fact nothing else than proof of your mental unstability,shows that you are either not able to work with infomational sources or that you are willingly bending tem,shows that you are bearin irrational haterd towards all members of some internet communities and you in fact bears atleast ambivalent feelings towards eve online |
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:09:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:
There is man who is lucky to use discussion figure of rebuttal. Why cant i know event of past if i am interested in history of eveand okay to use forum searching and blog digging to get known with it?Just because players like you dont wish me to be too clever?WHY they wish it?Because its easire to spread the hate amongst uninformed...
The whole " I am interested in EVE history and then your posting suggests clearly where you have been searching and which blogs you have been digging in. You did a one sided research and formed your opinion on that. I would applaud it if the average EVE player would attempt to become clever, but even more so if they would attempt to be well informed. And on the topic of spreading hate amongst the uninformed you should really work a bit to get the whole story. I am sure you grasp what I am implying there. Now are you clever and know how to do the work to find the information I am hinting to and are you intelligent enough to form your own opinion after finding the whole story and not only the parts you were looking for. It's easy to look at history as it is dished out to you, but remember, history is written by those who won. But the ones that lost also have a history, but it's easier to forget that.
So,i didnt even stated my sources,but i am goon so they have to be wrong...
Tell me about factual mistakes again,its so cute... |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1914
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:41:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Well,your "substantive reply" is in fact nothing else than proof of your mental unstability,shows that you are either not able to work with infomational sources or that you are willingly bending tem,shows that you are bearin irrational haterd towards all members of some internet communities and you in fact bears atleast ambivalent feelings towards eve online
Right so "mr I'm a real player not a goon troll alt" it takes you about half a dozen words to start talking about mental instability. Well lets compare RL-peens shall we.
Whats known about the player behind Jade Constantine. Professionally successful, confident public speaker, adept at dealing with journalists and the press, capable of running a successful CSM campaign and defeating the goonswarm candidates in the polls. Beyond that your comrades have discovered I have a Master of Arts degree in English Literature alongside significant professional qualifications. Add that to a iron-cast ego that has survived over five years of personal attacks and rl-harrassment from goonswarm and you end up with the image of a capable Englishman who is quite capable of obliterating a forum-only speck like you in the time it takes to boil a cup of tea.
And whats known about the player behind "PleaseDONTblow MyShip"?
Well you started posting on the forums the day after Mittani was banned. Your forum output has been in trolling various Jita and general discussion threads in service of goonswarm. You are pretty bad at english (but perhaps thats a second or third language so we'll leave that aside.) You know nothing about eve history beyond that written in the goon wiki and you idolize Mittani for his RL accomplishments without actually knowing if whats been written is actually true in any regard. I don't think its much of a stretch to assume you are a teenage american boy posting on the forums between bouts of skipping language lessons whose major educational resource in the world is SA MMO HMO.
So thats the argumentum ad hominem segment of the rebuttle.
You go on to cite the goonwiki and Mittani's Ten Ton hammer column as an "informational source" to I must reply with a hearty LOL.
Before rolling on your back and whining "omg you irrationally hate me111!111".
I don't irrationally hate anyone mr "mr I'm a real player not a goon troll alt".
I dislike people who cheat at games either by breaking the rules or by using out of game metagamed attacks against the players. I don't like people who fix fights, who rig horse-races, who steal elections either.
I have absolutely no problem with goons who actually play this game as a game.
I don't mind suicide ganking, I don't mind their scamming. I don't mind their blobs and generally nonsense in 0.0. I don't mind their videos, their in-game propaganda or their roleplaying as humanoid bees in furry costumes. Whatever really. None of that stuff is a problem.
What I condemn is the instinct that leads goonswarm to target players out of character for RL harrassment and attempts at bullying because goonswarm itself is too lazy, too innept, too incapable to actually bring a genuine gameplay threat within the rules of Eve Online.
I'm listed as one of the greatest enemies of Goons in Eve on your internal wiki. Why then in five years have I never lost a single ship to Goonswarm?
You have to admit thats a bit pathetic. It's not like I haven't lost around 22b isk in ships to practically every other entity in the game at various points!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
245
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:07:00 -
[133] - Quote
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote: So,i didnt even stated my sources,but i am goon so they have to be wrong...
Tell me about factual mistakes again,its so cute...
Your constant evasive maneuvering from the point at hand is sheer dumbness. You present nothing new outside of the socalled CFC state of mind. Your relevance is clear now.
None whatsoever.
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Selene Evgenia
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.10 19:38:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:I'm listed as one of the greatest enemies of Goons in Eve on your internal wiki.
You have a gimmick article listed in the "drama" section under "stupid ****" with the warning, I quote: "Don't read any of his posts or you will lose IQ."
This may come as a surprise to you, but like most wikis, ours can be edited by anyone with an account, and the existence of an article does not particularly convey any significance, implied or otherwise. You are not, as you have so eloquently stated, "one of the greatest enemies of Goons"
Killer Gandry wrote:Your constant evasive maneuvering from the point at hand is sheer dumbness. You present nothing new outside of the socalled CFC state of mind. Your relevance is clear now.
None whatsoever.
time is it eve forums i am on post haiku |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:43:00 -
[135] - Quote
So Jade
Lets sum the facts:
If someone is acting like cyberbully,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is promoting/endorsing constant harrasment and belittening of its members). If someone presents danger to eve,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is promoting approach which in its ends leads to much less subscribers) If someone has RL problems,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who obviously totally lacks the social intelligence and have too big ego to admit that he isnt the biggest enemy of anything) If someone is obviously lying,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is trying to ignore all the work of csm7/6 or whatever even distantly joined with anyone from CFC while promoting your zero direct results and influence) If someone loses touch with reality and concept of the game,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is argumenting with age of your character and your killboard and who mixes your RL achievement with those in game) If someone is really disgusting towards new players,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is promoting RP and space brothels)
And after this all,you still act as you have some moral high grounds above us.
Can i ask you some intimate question: How does it feel to be such a hypocrite? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1917
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Posted - 2012.04.10 20:55:00 -
[136] - Quote
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone is acting like cyberbully,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is promoting/endorsing constant harrasment and belittening of its members).
Just because you are rolling on your back and crying like a little girl because you lost a forum argument hardly means that you are being cyber-bullied.
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone has RL problems,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who obviously totally lacks the social intelligence and have too big ego to admit that he isnt the biggest enemy of anything)
I thought we'd established that I was quite secure in my RL ego while you are the person posting with a ridiculously named alt.
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone is obviously lying,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is trying to ignore all the work of csm7/6 or whatever even distantly joined with anyone from CFC while promoting your zero direct results and influence)
I think CSM 6 tried its best to warn Eve of the dangers of the Incarna approach. I think some of CSM 7 also worked quite hard. I happen to disagree with Mittani's approach to chairing CSM 7 however and I think the loss of transparency and accountability during his tenure was very poor.
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone loses touch with reality and concept of the game,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is argumenting with age of your character and your killboard and who mixes your RL achievement with those in game)
On the contrary I was merely showing you the consequence of ad hominen argumentation. When you make it about the person having the argument you can't expect not to be criticised yourself for posting with a ridiculous anonymous alt.
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone is really disgusting towards new players,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is promoting RP and space brothels)
I believe a senior goon has already let the cat out of the bag on the space brothels bull (ie it never happened) but continue to smear nonsense in the manner of an incontinent squid trying desperately to avoid a superior combatent.
Your arguments and trolls are null at this point. Feel free to roll another forum alt and try again.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Lorem Ipsum Eriker
Cult of Escobar Broken Toys
0
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:20:00 -
[137] - Quote
Quote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone loses touch with reality and concept of the game,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is argumenting with age of your character and your killboard and who mixes your RL achievement with those in game) On the contrary I was merely showing you the consequence of ad hominen argumentation. When you make it about the person having the argument you can't expect not to be criticised yourself for posting with a ridiculous anonymous alt.
ridiculously-named: yes, alt: no. This guy flew with us for quite a while. Who's making the ad hominem argument then? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1921
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:50:00 -
[138] - Quote
Lorem Ipsum Eriker wrote:Quote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone loses touch with reality and concept of the game,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is argumenting with age of your character and your killboard and who mixes your RL achievement with those in game) On the contrary I was merely showing you the consequence of ad hominen argumentation. When you make it about the person having the argument you can't expect not to be criticised yourself for posting with a ridiculous anonymous alt. ridiculously-named: yes, alt: no. This guy flew with us for quite a while. Who's making the ad hominem argument then?
We both were. I was simply demonstrating that I am much better at it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:51:00 -
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Lorem Ipsum Eriker wrote:Quote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone loses touch with reality and concept of the game,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is argumenting with age of your character and your killboard and who mixes your RL achievement with those in game) On the contrary I was merely showing you the consequence of ad hominen argumentation. When you make it about the person having the argument you can't expect not to be criticised yourself for posting with a ridiculous anonymous alt. ridiculously-named: yes, alt: no. This guy flew with us for quite a while. Who's making the ad hominem argument then?
Hes not argumenting at all lorem,hes just showing us the consequences...
And you are my alt for sure :) |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
320
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:54:00 -
[140] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote:i'm not threatened in the slightest you big baby, i just don't care to reply to another jade constantine "goons are bad" post and would like to examine the reasons underneath your unhealthy obsession :)
He has explained why he doesn't like the goons. He has indicated they are publishing real life pictures of him with false accusations that he commits sex crimes with children. They are sending this to his employers because of some sort of internet spaceship grudge.
And you are still asking him why he doesn't like the goons?
Its funny that you never really deny this is happening.
You say its unfortunate, but you still remain with that group. I mean if the SA community as a whole was remotely normal they wouldn't stand for that.
Yet you remain with them and continue to try to dodge the problems with your "community."
Is SA doing anything to change how they act? If not, they are going to be criticized on the forums.
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.10 22:08:00 -
[141] - Quote
Cearain wrote:VCBee 180 wrote:i'm not threatened in the slightest you big baby, i just don't care to reply to another jade constantine "goons are bad" post and would like to examine the reasons underneath your unhealthy obsession :) He has explained why he doesn't like the goons. He has indicated they are publishing real life pictures of him with false accusations that he commits sex crimes with children. They are sending this to his employers because of some sort of internet spaceship grudge. And you are still asking him why he doesn't like the goons? Its funny that you never really deny this is happening. You say its unfortunate, but you still remain with that group. I mean if the SA community as a whole was remotely normal they wouldn't stand for that. Yet you remain with them and continue to try to dodge the problems with your "community." Is SA doing anything to change how they act? If not, they are going to be criticized on the forums. He explained that he doesnt like goons because publishing of publicly aviable pictures of him with mocking commentary of his looks before.Goons are sending nothing to noone because internet spaceships,but youcan ask Darious Johnson how does it feel when some pubbie decide that its good time to do it.Or maybe you can ask Mittens how it is when another pubbie decide that your wife should be raped and your dog killed.Or just maybe you can ask Jade why is this okay with him while he is so terrified by the fact that someone mocked him....
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.04.10 22:09:00 -
[142] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lorem Ipsum Eriker wrote:Quote:PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:If someone loses touch with reality and concept of the game,its you,not a CFC (you are the one who is argumenting with age of your character and your killboard and who mixes your RL achievement with those in game) On the contrary I was merely showing you the consequence of ad hominen argumentation. When you make it about the person having the argument you can't expect not to be criticised yourself for posting with a ridiculous anonymous alt. ridiculously-named: yes, alt: no. This guy flew with us for quite a while. Who's making the ad hominem argument then? We both were. I was simply demonstrating that I am much better at it.
There is big difference between using speech figure as tool of discussion and using it as tool of evading discussion (which is exactly what you did) |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1921
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Posted - 2012.04.10 22:38:00 -
[143] - Quote
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:He explained that he doesnt like goons because publishing of publicly aviable pictures of him with mocking commentary of his looks before.
Accusing a person of sex-crimes with children is not "mocking commentary" and if you think it is then you are a flapping mentalist.
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Goons are sending nothing to noone because internet spaceships,
More senior goons than you have acknowledged this happened.
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:but youcan ask Darious Johnson how does it feel when some pubbie decide that its good time to do it.Or maybe you can ask Mittens how it is when another pubbie decide that your wife should be raped and your dog killed.
Well I have payed a fair degree of interest to the characters involved in the RL address and "**** wagon" scandal. The former was clearly banned. The latter has been logging in continually since. As for dog killing, I've never seen any real substance of that allegation. I'm sure somebody is crazy enough to threaten it as people were crazy enough to write to my work address with stupid allegations. But are you really arguing that two wrongs make a right here?
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Or just maybe you can ask Jade why is this okay with him while he is so terrified by the fact that someone mocked him....
Learn to read.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
245
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Posted - 2012.04.10 22:55:00 -
[144] - Quote
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:He explained that he doesnt like goons because publishing of publicly aviable pictures of him with mocking commentary of his looks before.Goons are sending nothing to noone because internet spaceships,but youcan ask Darious Johnson how does it feel when some pubbie decide that its good time to do it.Or maybe you can ask Mittens how it is when another pubbie decide that your wife should be raped and your dog killed.Or just maybe you can ask Jade why is this okay with him while he is so terrified by the fact that someone mocked him....
I too explain I don't like Goons. What is there to like?
They themselves proclaim that they are the true advocates of pure freedom, yet the only way to express their freedom is by making all that aren't standing beside them as miserable as possible. Be it ingame or if possible even outgame.
Darius Johnson. The one who said " We aren't out to ruin the game, we are out to ruin YOUR game" Ah yes a real usefull and trustworthy character to put up in the witness stand.
And I stated before that if people are threatening Mittens, his wife or his dog in real life I am absolutely against it. I also posted that if such a thing happens the course of action is to inform the police and if there is information about the one threatening to be found in EVE in some way I am 100% confident CCP will work along with the police to get any and all information they have to the police.
But hinting to that you forget to point out the " Wanna make him kill himself? This is his name....." The fact someone might or may not threaten Mittens, his wife or his dog is in no way lessening what The Mittani did. But how dare I point out that again. That is trivial like everything else being done against those who aren't part of the "in-crowd"
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Cpt Underpants
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.11 03:23:00 -
[145] - Quote
Jade Constantine's posts are so bad, USPS would send them all to the dead letter office. Lurk more - http://i39.tinypic.com/2nktoiq.gif |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
247
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Posted - 2012.04.11 03:50:00 -
[146] - Quote
Cpt Underpants wrote:Jade Constantine's posts are so bad, USPS would send them all to the dead letter office.
And another workerbee pops up to carry the torch.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
320
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Posted - 2012.04.11 04:10:00 -
[147] - Quote
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Cearain wrote:VCBee 180 wrote:i'm not threatened in the slightest you big baby, i just don't care to reply to another jade constantine "goons are bad" post and would like to examine the reasons underneath your unhealthy obsession :) He has explained why he doesn't like the goons. He has indicated they are publishing real life pictures of him with false accusations that he commits sex crimes with children. They are sending this to his employers because of some sort of internet spaceship grudge. And you are still asking him why he doesn't like the goons? Its funny that you never really deny this is happening. You say its unfortunate, but you still remain with that group. I mean if the SA community as a whole was remotely normal they wouldn't stand for that. Yet you remain with them and continue to try to dodge the problems with your "community." Is SA doing anything to change how they act? If not, they are going to be criticized on the forums. He explained that he doesnt like goons because publishing of publicly aviable pictures of him with mocking commentary of his looks before.Goons are sending nothing to noone because internet spaceships,but youcan ask Darious Johnson how does it feel when some pubbie decide that its good time to do it.Or maybe you can ask Mittens how it is when another pubbie decide that your wife should be raped and your dog killed.Or just maybe you can ask Jade why is this okay with him while he is so terrified by the fact that someone mocked him....
Did Jade do these things? Were people from Jade's Alliance doing these things? I do not understand why this is relevant to what goons do to other players like Jade. Are you saying you do these things out of game to attack people because you think "everyone does it" so its just part of the game?
That is what I mean when i say you continue to try to dodge the problems with your own community. You start to talk about other bad guys who exist in the world as if that somehow excuses your alliance.
Why am I trying to reason with a goon?
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Dry Martinis
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:16:00 -
[148] - Quote
Posting in yet another "I hate goons thread" CAPS LOCK: CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.04.11 11:30:00 -
[149] - Quote
Selene Evgenia wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I'm listed as one of the greatest enemies of Goons in Eve on your internal wiki. You have a gimmick article listed in the "drama" section under "stupid ****" with the warning, I quote: "Don't read any of his posts or you will lose IQ." This may come as a surprise to you, but like most wikis, ours can be edited by anyone with an account, and the existence of an article does not particularly convey any significance, implied or otherwise. You are not, as you have so eloquently stated, "one of the greatest enemies of Goons" Killer Gandry wrote:Your constant evasive maneuvering from the point at hand is sheer dumbness. You present nothing new outside of the socalled CFC state of mind. Your relevance is clear now.
None whatsoever. time is it eve forums i am on post haiku
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
247
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:09:00 -
[150] - Quote
Every anti Goon post is important.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1931
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Posted - 2012.04.12 14:55:00 -
[151] - Quote
Cpt Underpants wrote:Jade Constantine's posts are so bad, USPS would send them all to the dead letter office.
There is a reason you only have 6 space likes you know ...
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.04.12 20:21:00 -
[152] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Every anti Goon post is important.
hey you posted somewhere (i'm not going to go and find it, there's too many wordy jade posts in the way) about me being an alt, and i'd just like to say that having a vcbee char is a clear GS connection and way more useful than the crappy alliance ticker you hold (serioushly, who?). An NPC is literally more relevant than you, heh |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.04.12 20:24:00 -
[153] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Cpt Underpants wrote:Jade Constantine's posts are so bad, USPS would send them all to the dead letter office. There is a reason you only have 6 space likes you know ...
let's all have a little think about what jade's space rep would be like if there were space dislikes |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
259
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Posted - 2012.04.12 20:50:00 -
[154] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote: hey you posted somewhere (i'm not going to go and find it, there's too many wordy jade posts in the way) about me being an alt, and i'd just like to say that having a vcbee char is a clear GS connection and way more useful than the crappy alliance ticker you hold (serioushly, who?). An NPC is literally more relevant than you, heh
I just admire how someone can call himself Goonswarm or affiliated with them and still be proud of themselves. But then again if you have no standards to begin with you are easy pleased.
VCBee 180 wrote: let's all have a little think about what jade's space rep would be like if there were space dislikes
Let's really use our brain and see howmuch it would actually prove his relevance with 10k mad accounts clicking dislike like there's no tomorrow. You on the other hand would still be at 5 likes and fade away with your relevance.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1931
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:11:00 -
[155] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Cpt Underpants wrote:Jade Constantine's posts are so bad, USPS would send them all to the dead letter office. There is a reason you only have 6 space likes you know ... let's all have a little think about what jade's space rep would be like if there were space dislikes
Well I am one of the illustrious half dozen "ancestral enemies of the swarm" (according to your wiki) It makes sense you'd all go spam-dislike crazy like loop-programmed little space monkeys if the "great leader" told you too.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.04.13 05:00:00 -
[156] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Well I am one of the illustrious half dozen "ancestral enemies of the swarm" (according to your wiki) It makes sense you'd all go spam-dislike crazy like loop-programmed little space monkeys if the "great leader" told you too.
Hate to break it to you, but you're listed under "Categories: Drama | People" in our wiki under the title "Roleplaying Insects". As far as relevant enemies go, you're right up there with random empire wardec corps. Your guys might occasionally kill a Goon when you're not losing carriers on lowsec station undocks, but you'll be the only ones to give a crap.
Unlike my fellow Goons, I will admit that you were once relevant; however, unlike your circle-jerking arpee crowd, I know that you haven't been relevant in Eve in years. But hey, as long as you're having fun. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
188
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Posted - 2012.04.13 05:14:00 -
[157] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:VCBee 180 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Cpt Underpants wrote:Jade Constantine's posts are so bad, USPS would send them all to the dead letter office. There is a reason you only have 6 space likes you know ... let's all have a little think about what jade's space rep would be like if there were space dislikes Well I am one of the illustrious half dozen "ancestral enemies of the swarm" (according to your wiki) It makes sense you'd all go spam-dislike crazy like loop-programmed little space monkeys if the "great leader" told you too.
Most people don't have to be instructed to dislike someone. Even Goons. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1932
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Posted - 2012.04.13 09:54:00 -
[158] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:VCBee 180 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Cpt Underpants wrote:Jade Constantine's posts are so bad, USPS would send them all to the dead letter office. There is a reason you only have 6 space likes you know ... let's all have a little think about what jade's space rep would be like if there were space dislikes Well I am one of the illustrious half dozen "ancestral enemies of the swarm" (according to your wiki) It makes sense you'd all go spam-dislike crazy like loop-programmed little space monkeys if the "great leader" told you too. Most people don't have to be instructed to dislike someone. Even Goons.
And yet state of the goonian address appears awfully dictatorial you know. Its almost like goons do need somebody to tell them who and how to hate (or indeed who needs to be trolled into committing suicide). So yes, I think goons do need instruction in this regard.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:43:00 -
[159] - Quote
Jade, I have a little trouble believing that you're dumb enough to believe the crap you post. Not much trouble, because I know you, but a little. Pretentious, pompous, petulant and puerile is no way to go through life, man. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1933
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:08:00 -
[160] - Quote
Devilish Ledoux wrote:... because I know you, but a little.
Which is odd because I don't know you at all.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
16
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:13:00 -
[161] - Quote
Why is this still being discussed? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1933
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:27:00 -
[162] - Quote
what exactly do you think is being discussed here out of interest?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:30:00 -
[163] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Devilish Ledoux wrote:... because I know you, but a little. Which is odd because I don't know you at all. And there's that old selective memory we all know and love/loathe. |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.04.13 15:40:00 -
[164] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote: Let's really use our brain and see howmuch it would actually prove his relevance with 10k mad accounts clicking dislike like there's no tomorrow. You on the other hand would still be at 5 likes and fade away with your relevance.
So you're saying space reputation is meaningless and that I'm irrelevant because of my space rep?
You've been suckling on jade's member for too many threads now and gotten yourself awfully confused I fear. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
189
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Posted - 2012.04.13 15:50:00 -
[165] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
And yet state of the goonian address appears awfully dictatorial you know. Its almost like goons do need somebody to tell them who and how to hate (or indeed who needs to be trolled into committing suicide). So yes, I think goons do need instruction in this regard.
Explain to me where to SoTG is dictatorial? Updates on who we are friendly with and who we aren't are dictatorial? So would you say that the SoTU addresses for RL countries are also dictatorial?
Thankfully I can decide for myself who I don't like. Goons like to stick together because they like each other, not because they are told to. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
189
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Posted - 2012.04.13 15:51:00 -
[166] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote:Killer Gandry wrote: Let's really use our brain and see howmuch it would actually prove his relevance with 10k mad accounts clicking dislike like there's no tomorrow. You on the other hand would still be at 5 likes and fade away with your relevance.
So you're saying space reputation is meaningless and that I'm irrelevant because of my space rep? You've been suckling on jade's member for too many threads now and gotten yourself awfully confused I fear.
Space rep doesn't matter unless it does. Does my space rep matter? |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
260
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Posted - 2012.04.13 15:53:00 -
[167] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote: So you're saying space reputation is meaningless and that I'm irrelevant because of my space rep?
You've been suckling on jade's member for too many threads now and gotten yourself awfully confused I fear.
Yes indeed, the whole likes option on the forum is meaningless. Those seeking meaning from it are poor dellusional people. Simply because the whole likes option is easy abused. Seen it in WoT and isn't any different here.
Yes try to understand what is written here:
Killer Gandry wrote:
Let's really use our brain and see howmuch it would actually prove his relevance with 10k mad accounts clicking dislike like there's no tomorrow. You on the other hand would still be at 5 likes and fade away with your relevance.
And the fact I agree with quit some of Jade's statements hardly makes me his boy toy. Because if that were to be true then howmany boytoys would you have in the CFC?
Your attempts to troll or flame are so darn pathetic that it's close to even being below Goon standards. |
Selene Evgenia
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.13 16:56:00 -
[168] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Well I am one of the illustrious half dozen "ancestral enemies of the swarm" (according to your wiki) It makes sense you'd all go spam-dislike crazy like loop-programmed little space monkeys if the "great leader" told you too.
I thought I already refuted this.
"Killer Gandry" wrote:Your attempts to troll or flame are so darn pathetic that it's close to even being below Goon standards.
gosh darnit. dem goonies sure are mean, pa.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1935
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Posted - 2012.04.13 17:20:00 -
[169] - Quote
Selene Evgenia wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Well I am one of the illustrious half dozen "ancestral enemies of the swarm" (according to your wiki) It makes sense you'd all go spam-dislike crazy like loop-programmed little space monkeys if the "great leader" told you too.
I thought I already refuted this.
Perhaps in the peculiar reality inhabited by the swarm one might consider your previous post a stumbling lurch in the general direction of a rebuttal; but to the rest of conventional reality I'm afraid itGÇÖs simply the primal daubing of a disturbed prehensile mandible twitching animal waste across a discarded pebble.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1935
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Posted - 2012.04.13 17:22:00 -
[170] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote: Explain to me where to SoTG is dictatorial?
That would be the part where a previously drunken fratboy tells you what to think and feel and refers to himself in the third person and speaks for his personal desires in terms which encompass your every breathing moment in game.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Selene Evgenia
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:12:00 -
[171] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Perhaps in the peculiar reality inhabited by the swarm one might consider your previous post a stumbling lurch in the general direction of a rebuttal; but to the rest of conventional reality I'm afraid itGÇÖs simply the primal daubing of a disturbed prehensile mandible twitching animal waste across a discarded pebble.
Maybe you should go back to writing StarCraft fanfics. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
261
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Posted - 2012.04.13 19:57:00 -
[172] - Quote
Selene Evgenia wrote:
gosh darnit. dem goonies sure are mean, pa.
I don't have any problems with being mean IN a game. However when the line get's crossed and it get's translated OUT of the game then you should start scratching your head and think again what the difference between a game and reality is.
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VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:09:00 -
[173] - Quote
if we hadnt called Remedial fat all those times, wld he hav still performed illegal foreclosure negotiations?? it really make's u think about ur in-game and RL conseqences..... |
Hroya
33
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Posted - 2012.04.14 06:27:00 -
[174] - Quote
VCBee 180 wrote:if we hadnt called Remedial fat all those times, wld he hav still performed illegal foreclosure negotiations?? it really make's u think about ur in-game and RL conseqences.....
If mankind never mastered fire we would all be hugging eachother in a cave to keep warm
You go your corridor but. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
16
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Posted - 2012.04.14 07:15:00 -
[175] - Quote
Keep calm, and keep posting.
No seriously, what do you all hope to acheive by endlessly perpetuating the flogging of the dead horse? |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
261
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Posted - 2012.04.14 08:33:00 -
[176] - Quote
A good piece of beef needs a clobbering to make it more tender.
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Hroya
33
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Posted - 2012.04.14 09:27:00 -
[177] - Quote
I dont aim to achieve anything, not in this game atleast. Though thank you for your contribution to contradicting your stance.
Feel free to grab a beer from the fridge, compliments of the house. You go your corridor but. |
Benny Ohu
The Lazy Dragoons True Apathy
50
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Posted - 2012.04.14 11:04:00 -
[178] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Perhaps in the peculiar reality inhabited by the swarm one might consider your previous post a stumbling lurch in the general direction of a rebuttal; but to the rest of conventional reality I'm afraid itGÇÖs simply the primal daubing of a disturbed prehensile mandible twitching animal waste across a discarded pebble.
do you own a fedora |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
190
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:14:00 -
[179] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lapine Davion wrote: Explain to me where to SoTG is dictatorial?
That would be the part where a previously drunken fratboy tells you what to think and feel and refers to himself in the third person and speaks for his personal desires in terms which encompass your every breathing moment in game.
I must have missed that one, could you link it for me? |
Jack Parr
University of Caille Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:34:00 -
[180] - Quote
Can the goonies and pets (test) post again? Didn't a bunch of them get banned for trolling these forums? "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average goon." -á -á-á - The Mittani |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
190
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Posted - 2012.04.15 09:51:00 -
[181] - Quote
Jack Parr wrote:Can the goonies and pets (test) post again? Didn't a bunch of them get banned for trolling these forums?
Goons don't really do the whole "pet" thing. They really aren't into the whole "padding their space with people they don't like" thing, either.
Goons tend to shoot people they don't like. Hell, Goons tend to shoot people they DO like, for fun. All these people that you refer to as "pets", likely because you think they have no voice or something (idk, really). They are all friends of Goons. They like Goons, and Goons like them.
Goons don't abandon their friends, like certain alliances did with their "pets". If Raiden. or whoever decides to try and take a swipe at an ally, and that ally looks like they might not handle it, Goons will come and help out if asked. Not for any cost, or payment or anything. Just to help out a friend in need.
So you can take your little "pets" business and turn around and go back to whatever corner of space that you call home and enjoy your little ideas on your own time. |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.04.15 12:21:00 -
[182] - Quote
Jack Parr wrote:Can the goonies and pets (test) post again? Didn't a bunch of them get banned for trolling these forums?
fun forum fact: bans are now done on a character-by-character basis instead of account (gahahaha :ccp:) meaning that nope, we're still here! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
417
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:49:00 -
[183] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:If Raiden. or whoever decides to try and take a swipe at an ally, and that ally looks like they might not handle it, Goons will come and help out if asked. Not for any cost, or payment or anything. Just to help out a friend in need.
So you can take your little "pets" business and turn around and go back to whatever corner of space that you call home and enjoy your little ideas on your own time. I heard someone tried to wipe SMA off the nice bit of Branch they got.
No, go away, don't try that killing people's pets bullshit with the CFC. That said, SMA did a damn good job of holding them back, you guys should be ashamed since they were much smaller than you.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
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