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Lane Shift
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:55:00 -
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Instead of the usual killboard rating based on how much the ship is worth, there should be a combatskill point rating.
- Combatskill rating should be taken from what level skills you are trained in for the ship you are flying, weapons you are using, additional calculates from electronics, engineering, mechanics, navigation skill ratings. - Combatskill rating will be used to compare to your opponents combatskill and come up with either a positive or negative rating for the killmail.
- This system would show the losers that consistantly seek out weak targets and expose them for what they really are. - Keep the so called merc corps from war decing newbie corps like Eve University. I mean, how pathetic can you get. - It would show who the losers are that constantly seek out unarmed mining barges. Instead of giving them 250m in kills, it would give them a negative rating for sucking so bad the only targets they can take out are unarmed ships. - Clearly show players with no honor. - It would expose players that constantly seek out newbie players.
You get the general idea.
We need to expose the suck in this game, and this would be a clear way to do it.
I've seen some players rack up killboard listings, but if you look at what they are killing, they are just pathetic ganker losers. This type of system would clearly show them as being suck.
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Daniel L'Siata
Echelon Conflict Resolution. Psychotic Tendencies.
92
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:01:00 -
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I think you should add a feature which looks at how many NPC Forum alts you have and adjusts what people think of anything you say accordingly. Oh wait, we do that already. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
94
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:01:00 -
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Hahahahahaahaha. Oh wait this is serious.
If you dont like pvp gtfo of eve. Otherwise htfu. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Prince Kobol
514
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:01:00 -
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Lane Shift wrote:Instead of the usual killboard rating based on how much the ship is worth, there should be a combatskill point rating.
- Combatskill rating should be taken from what level skills you are trained in for the ship you are flying, weapons you are using, additional calculates from electronics, engineering, mechanics, navigation skill ratings. - Combatskill rating will be used to compare to your opponents combatskill and come up with either a positive or negative rating for the killmail.
- This system would show the losers that consistantly seek out weak targets and expose them for what they really are. - Keep the so called merc corps from war decing newbie corps like Eve University. I mean, how pathetic can you get. - It would show who the losers are that constantly seek out unarmed mining barges. Instead of giving them 250m in kills, it would give them a negative rating for sucking so bad the only targets they can take out are unarmed ships. - Clearly show players with no honor. - It would expose players that constantly seek out newbie players.
You get the general idea.
We need to expose the suck in this game, and this would be a clear way to do it.
I've seen some players rack up killboard listings, but if you look at what they are killing, they are just pathetic ganker losers. This type of system would clearly show them as being suck.
Why do I care?
If kill mails are that important to you then why don't construct a kill board that takes all of what you said into account.
Personally I couldn't give a **** about kill mails or kill boards.
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Tah'ris Khlador
Kaotic Intentions Cold Hand of Shadow
81
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:02:00 -
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You fail to take into account the number of people who buy accounts with a ton of skills and have no idea how to use them. Also, that experienced players will start up newer accounts and engage in deathly activities with "highly skilled individuals" and win because they can pilot the ship better.
PVP "skills" isn't all about the skills you have trained. It's more about knowing how to fly the ship properly and use the skills that have been trained.
Edit: Also E-Honor, LOLOL. |
Lane Shift
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:03:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Hahahahahaahaha. Oh wait this is serious.
If you dont like pvp gtfo of eve. Otherwise htfu.
Guess you wouldn't want to be exposed as one of the suck huh? |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
94
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:06:00 -
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Lane Shift wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Hahahahahaahaha. Oh wait this is serious.
If you dont like pvp gtfo of eve. Otherwise htfu. Guess you wouldn't want to be exposed as one of the suck huh?
Yep. Living in lowsec is the new sucking at pvp. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
471
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:07:00 -
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Fancy posting your 1337 killboard then NPC forum man?
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
T' Elk
Happy Little Spaceships Spaceship Samurai
306
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:08:00 -
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You're bad at EVE, and you should feel bad.
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ // Inferno is coming // |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp
90
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:11:00 -
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Did you lose your untanked hauler carrying zydrine to Jita? Roses are red. Bacon is also red. Poems are hard. Bacon. |
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ElQuirko
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
503
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:12:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote: Yep. Living in lowsec is the new sucking at pvp.
Well, yeah, the only real PVP nowadays is to be found in WH space...
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
411
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:13:00 -
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ISK efficiency is meaningless when not considered in context, and everybody knows that. People do exactly the thing you did, they look at the kills and losses and see what the pilot actually does.
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Prince Kobol
514
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:16:00 -
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Lane Shift wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Hahahahahaahaha. Oh wait this is serious.
If you dont like pvp gtfo of eve. Otherwise htfu. Guess you wouldn't want to be exposed as one of the suck huh?
Says the NPC Alt rofl..
Also before you bother looking for my kill mails.. yes I have been bent over and raped lots of times and I loved it each time
If you are that obsessive over kill mails and kill boards what I really suggest you do is turn off your computer, go outside and find some real people. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1378
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:18:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Hahahahahaahaha. Oh wait this is serious.
If you dont like pvp gtfo of eve. Otherwise htfu.
Ouch.. Look we are dealing with hardcore tough guy.
On the other note : i dont really care what people doing in game, or out of game for that matter. There can be several studies about human behavior, and all of them will show the obvious : People equal ****.
Motto : Difference between tyrant and victim is Opportunity.. nothing less. Some people dont do it, not because they find it wrong, but because the reward is not worth it.. for them. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
199
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:20:00 -
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Calls out players to step up, uses alt to do so. |
Lane Shift
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:25:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Lane Shift wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Hahahahahaahaha. Oh wait this is serious.
If you dont like pvp gtfo of eve. Otherwise htfu. Guess you wouldn't want to be exposed as one of the suck huh? Says the NPC Alt rofl.. Also before you bother looking for my kill mails.. yes I have been bent over and raped lots of times and I loved it each time If you are that obsessive over kill mails and kill boards what I really suggest you do is turn off your computer, go outside and find some real people.
Points would be scored on the aggressor alone.
Love all the simple minded alt posts. |
Prince Kobol
514
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:34:00 -
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Lane Shift wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Lane Shift wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Hahahahahaahaha. Oh wait this is serious.
If you dont like pvp gtfo of eve. Otherwise htfu. Guess you wouldn't want to be exposed as one of the suck huh? Says the NPC Alt rofl.. Also before you bother looking for my kill mails.. yes I have been bent over and raped lots of times and I loved it each time If you are that obsessive over kill mails and kill boards what I really suggest you do is turn off your computer, go outside and find some real people. Points would be scored on the aggressor alone. Love all the simple minded alt posts.
Says the simple minded NPC Alt |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
135
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:36:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Calls out players to step up, uses alt to do so.
QFT http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
731
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:58:00 -
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EDK is open source and extensible. Go build an extension to do that, then we'll talk. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Selinate
790
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:04:00 -
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the only real losers here are the ones who actually care about what their killboards look like... |
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Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
174
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:20:00 -
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Selinate wrote:the only real losers here are the ones who actually care about what their killboards look like...
Spot on the money.
I started PvPing when I had 3 or 4 mill SP, I got 60-something now. I was better then than now because I played more.
However back then I was bothered about killboard nonsense, not really efficiency but just stats.
Now I don't even bother looking at killmails unless there was something odd about the fight. I don't post any of them unless I'm flying with a gang and some of them got on the kill.
I find I have more fun not bothering about kill/lossmails. YMMV. |
Kisumii
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:25:00 -
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A kill is a kill. :)
As long as I enjoy the fight and it gets the adrenaline pumping who cares?
The only thing I like about killmails is seeing opponents fits and working out tactics for next time etc. |
Rashmika Clavain
Revelation Space
6
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:30:00 -
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Im confuzzled! Which forum posting alt is trolling which forum posting alt? |
Black Dranzer
222
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:32:00 -
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The real problem with this isn't really an ideological one, but a technical one.
Yes, if we could have a magic number on every killmail that measures a combination of isk efficiency, skill efficiency, combat time, combat participants, and the relative ratios for each side, then that would be swell and I'd advocate sticking it up everywher
Unfortunately, the outcome of a battle usually comes down to a lot more information than can fit on a killmail, and evaluating that information is beyond the scope of the kind of simple php scripts you encounter on killboards. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
288
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:34:00 -
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Lane Shift wrote:- Keep the so called merc corps from war decing newbie corps like Eve University. I mean, how pathetic can you get.
I'm guessing that's nowhere near as pathetic as a coward NPC alt ****-poasting this rubbish. |
Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
57
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:36:00 -
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Im sorry but this is the only picture i could find that emphasised what i think of the OP's post:
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs46/f/2009/191/5/7/The_Stupid__It_Burns_by_Plognark.png |
voetius
Starwinders The Unwilling.
5
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:49:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=458335
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
463
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:50:00 -
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the sad thing is OP has some decent ideas and has the right idea atm killboards are stupid and just an epeen billboard.
every kill should be worth points depending on the ship and module type ( faction worth more then t2 ect) suicide ganking should show up with the loss of your ship, not just the kills you get with it. wardeccing in highsec should be worth less points then fighting anywhere else, most people don't normally fight thus easy prey if you have 1000 people on the km attacking 1 target the point should be split between the 1000 people WH kills should be worth the most. if its a massive site like battle clinic there should be a section for people to look at lolfit losses. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
731
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:52:00 -
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You dirty stinking loser! I want your killboard to look like ****! Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
168
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:01:00 -
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Lane Shift wrote:Expose the losers
Found one! Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
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Lane Shift
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:07:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:You dirty stinking loser! I want your killboard to look like ****!
Oh yes, you caught me scouting and or making bookmarks. You remember bookmarking gates don't you? Guess not.
I'm not talking about an epeen board, but the current "how much ISK you blow up" is simple. |
Zircon Dasher
127
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:14:00 -
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With so many people not caring about killmail/killboards, the OP's idea should not be an issue right? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
731
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:50:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:With so many people not caring about killmail/killboards, the OP's idea should not be an issue right? It's not. We're just mocking him for being butthurt about killboard stats. If he feels like implementing it himself, or convinces someone to implement it, then props to him.
Killboards are 3rd party tools. Nobody has to use any sort of killboard, or killboard mod, or whatever. If he can convince eve-kill.net to use something like this, good, but I don't think they will. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
128
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Posted - 2012.04.05 17:06:00 -
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You could just play WoW? |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
94
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Posted - 2012.04.05 17:08:00 -
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Patient 2428190 wrote:You could just play WoW?
But but but, teh spaceships!
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
377
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Posted - 2012.04.05 17:19:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:You're bad at EVE, and you should feel bad.
no, apparently if youre bad at EVE you should take doen the ppl who arent bad at eve IRL and troll the forums forever with it
masternerdguy wrote:Patient 2428190 wrote:You could just play WoW? But but but, teh spaceships!
Star Trek Online then lol https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2012.04.05 17:23:00 -
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I think the GMs should personally inform me of which players would be easy targets, and who hauls lots of expensive things around and where. Nevermind this Combatskill Rating System. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3658
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Posted - 2012.04.05 17:24:00 -
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I say that anytime somone gets their ship blown up thier score is reset to 0
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
642
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:12:00 -
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Wait. Someone's calling for... Gearscore for EVE? Seriously?
What's next? "Heroic" Anoms? A Looking for Fleet button? Concord auto-teleporting you to the mission deadspace gate so you don't actually have to travel to it?
Cripes. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
96
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:15:00 -
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How about a compromise? You implement this on your own killboard and CCP make all EVE 0.0 Things are only impossible until they are not. |
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:26:00 -
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Actually a point system is actually a good idea.
You get more points for killing a BS in a intercepter then you do for killing a BS in a BS.
Take out a BS with 20 firend then the points get split based on damage and ship size.
I really don't see why this sort of thing gets people irritated.
It would tell alot about a player without having to dig into all the kiilmails.
I don't it should be a replacement for current info but added into for a better picture.
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:26:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Actually a point system is actually a good idea.
You get more points for killing a BS in a intercepter then you do for killing a BS in a BS.
Take out a BS with 20 firend then the points get split based on damage and ship size.
I really don't see why this sort of thing gets people irritated.
It would tell alot about a player without having to dig into all the kiilmails.
I don't it should be a replacement for current info but added into for a better picture.
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
96
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:27:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Actually a point system is actually a good idea.
You get more points for killing a BS in a intercepter then you do for killing a BS in a BS.
Take out a BS with 20 firend then the points get split based on damage and ship size.
I really don't see why this sort of thing gets people irritated.
It would tell alot about a player without having to dig into all the kiilmails.
I don't it should be a replacement for current info but added into for a better picture.
Existing killboard already do this kind of thing but they result in useless magic numbers less useful than the Skill stat in BF3. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
377
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:40:00 -
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Xython wrote:Wait. Someone's calling for... Gearscore for EVE? Seriously?
What's next? "Heroic" Anoms? A Looking for Fleet button? Concord auto-teleporting you to the mission deadspace gate so you don't actually have to travel to it?
Cripes.
Oh Gods I agree with a Goon -.-
Hows Mitens btw
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
131
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:42:00 -
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More meta game in the form of ratings? Might as well call it gearscore or the ******** version 'GS'
What a scrub idea. |
Lane Shift
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:18:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:How about a compromise? You implement this on your own killboard and CCP make all EVE 0.0
Meh, not that big of a deal. It was just in response to the wardec thing everyone is complaining about, and then I hear someone talking about war decing "Eve University"? I though how lame can you be if you need to take out new players cause you need to have a KM?
IDC what happens to it. Let the thread die. I was on autopilot and bored.
BTW, to the player that said "what were you ganked in jita",,,, no, I lost all of my ships in low/NULL, never lost a ship in hisec, to a player anyway. |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:47:00 -
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get your metascore crap out of here |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
643
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:48:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Xython wrote:Wait. Someone's calling for... Gearscore for EVE? Seriously?
What's next? "Heroic" Anoms? A Looking for Fleet button? Concord auto-teleporting you to the mission deadspace gate so you don't actually have to travel to it?
Cripes. Oh Gods I agree with a Goon -.- Hows Mitens btw
Dear Leader is quite fine, as far as I can tell. We just coathangered ("Oh god Goons making fun of Abortion!") a few IRC titans, and our **** and pillage ("Oh god Goons making fun of ****!") of Tenal continues without any real resistance.
Preparations for the Jita Holocaust ("Oh god Goons making fun of the Holocaust!") continue quite well. It's rather amusing to see the preemptive freakouts we're seeing on the forums, especially with the "LEET PVE" guys quickly try to figure out how to tank a Freighter.
We're all looking forward to the day when we can bring such important and vital player content to EVE in lieu of sui... Jihadswarming ("Oh god Goons making fun of religion!") every industrial and freighter coming in and out of Jita for a few weeks.
Remember capsuleers: All of these sectors are yours except Jita. Attempt no travel there.
But back to the thread at hand. The fact of the matter is that something like this would require some API changes so that anyone could see anyone's skills -- at least if we're going to see this implemented in a player API system, which is the only place it really would make sense. Trying to retrofit the CCP "roll your own pilot" system to a "score" system would require a complete re-think of how EVE plays.
PVP is so dynamic that it's just... I dunno. I could, however, see something like that in an expanded version of the Certificate System, which would make certain things a bit easier to digest for new players. Especially if, say, World of Darkness or a theoretical new "Newbie Capsuleer" Expansion for EVE added it.
In short, I don't think it's a bad idea, but it could be done in a Player-centric system like player ran killboards, or "rating" your character based on various points systems, but... yeah, I dunno. Ultimately I think it cheapens the experience. I'm not a "Level 5 Ratting Jew, Level 1 PVP Ganker, Gallente Ship Spec", I'm Xython, proud PVE specialized Goon.
Having said all that, it would be trivial to assign various points to skills, maybe based on a specific skillset (Carrier skills aren't that useful for a Miner, for example) and then have a system read, say, a EVEMon character data dump and calculate the skills based on that. You could then, just as an off the cuff example, load up that URL, paste in your character, and it could spit out a "score" or even a pie chart or other visual metrics of your character. Kinda like how WOW-Heroes can take a look at your character in WOW and say "welp, you're pretty well geared for hit, but your crit rating sucks ass, here are upgrade suggestions."
In fact, if I were a greater Goon, I would suggest that a basic website that links in with the EVE API would work. You could put in an API generated with skill information available, and the thing could check your character and say "welp, you're doing ok, but getting that 4th Level of Evasive Maneuvering would help your combat ability." And of course, since I'm a Goon, I would suggest that such a website could have a few discrete advertisements and would probably pay for itself and maybe an EVE account or two in the process.
... Actually... BRB PHP. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
434
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:57:00 -
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Lane Shift wrote:[quote=masternerdguy]Meh, not that big of a deal. It was just in response to the wardec thing everyone is complaining about, and then I hear someone talking about war decing "Eve University"? I though how lame can you be if you need to take out new players cause you need to have a KM? I don't think you really understand the reason why people who don't like e-uni don't like e-uni. I think you should find some of those people and try and see things from their perspective before you start calling people names. |
Marduk Nibiru
Risk Breakers C0NVICTED
151
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:23:00 -
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Lane Shift wrote:Instead of the usual killboard rating based on how much the ship is worth, there should be a combatskill point rating.
- Combatskill rating should be taken from what level skills you are trained in for the ship you are flying, weapons you are using, additional calculates from electronics, engineering, mechanics, navigation skill ratings. - Combatskill rating will be used to compare to your opponents combatskill and come up with either a positive or negative rating for the killmail.
Killboards are third party programs that use publicly available information about a kill event. What you seek is not possible without making skills public. This would be too much intel about an enemy.
Quote: - This system would show the losers that consistantly seek out weak targets and expose them for what they really are.
Good at EvE?
Quote: - Keep the so called merc corps from war decing newbie corps like Eve University. I mean, how pathetic can you get.
Eve University is a well established corporation full of many people. Attacking it is no small matter. If they can't actually train their members to succeed under wardec conditions (and I would be one to agree that they can't) then they have no business calling themselves a training corp.
Quote: - It would show who the losers are that constantly seek out unarmed mining barges. Instead of giving them 250m in kills, it would give them a negative rating for sucking so bad the only targets they can take out are unarmed ships. - Clearly show players with no honor. - It would expose players that constantly seek out newbie players.
You get the general idea.
If that idea is that you're a recently butt raped E-UNI turd then yeah, that's coming through loud and clear. |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
505
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:25:00 -
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Marduk Nibiru wrote:Lane Shift wrote:- This system would show the losers that consistantly seek out weak targets and expose them for what they really are.
Good at EvE? /thread
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1412
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Posted - 2012.04.06 06:30:00 -
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Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
196
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Posted - 2012.04.06 22:19:00 -
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I stopped reading after the word "honor" in the OP. |
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