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Orkane
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.02 19:55:00 -
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Definately a scam:: Chat Log
Orkane > Hi Banker Lucy > hey Orkane > Is the casino a scam or genuine, just wondering if im getting my 40mil back or not? Banker Lucy > wasn't it added? Banker Lucy > according to the logs it was Orkane > No, it never was.. Orkane > my 5mil was deposited but not my 40mil. Orkane > As u can tell im pretty annoyed as I deposited it into yur account at around 2am this morning. Orkane > Gmt Banker Lucy > 2008-12-02 02:18:00 amount: 40000000.00 from: Orkane Banker Lucy > says it was added, you sure you didnt get it in the account? Orkane > im looking at account now, no isk Orkane > Welcome Orkane<br><br>Account balance: 0 ISK Deposit<br><br>Games available:<br><br>Blackjack: ááááááá 100k ISK per chipááááHow to play<br>Video poker: ááá 100,000 ISK bet ááá 1,000,000 ISK betááááHow to play<br>Slots: ááááááááááááááááRed, White, Blue (... Orkane > I desposited, gambled & lost the 5mil, but 40mil has never been added to balance, now I just want transferred back please. Orkane > ?? Orkane > That 40mil was all the isk I had, I was willing to risk it at the chance of hopefully doubling it, but I have neither. Orkane > So I would appreciate it back in my wallet please! Banker Lucy > I just don't see why it wouldn't have added Orkane > I've been waiting for it to be added since 2am, I have sent messages, written on forum, no response. Orkane > I have also petitioned through CCP Orkane > All I want is my 40mil back! Orkane > As a few people have told me this is a scam, apparantly someone lost billions. Banker Lucy > not sure about that other guy Banker Lucy > but the logs show that it got added Banker Lucy > sorry man, later
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Orkane
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.02 20:22:00 -
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Ok EMF has deposited my 40mil back!!! Found Banker Lucy (prob same person) quite ignorant and useless, sorry guys but dont think i'll use the casino againa dn will never recommend.
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Banker Lucy
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Posted - 2008.12.02 20:26:00 -
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Orkane, the logs said that the automated API checking added the 40 mil to your account. However since it also doesn't seem to show you betting that 40 mil away I'm just going to return you your isk.
I doubt the casino will survive the scandal but all I can say is that I've paid chorizo over 10 billion ISK in winnings over the last 2 weeks. One payout was for 6 billion ISK. Ricdic could verify this with his API. Of course as is the nature of chronic gamblers he has came back and repeatedly gambled until he has lost all his ISK. I have always and will always pay out legit winnings as soon as possible.
Chorizo requested that I ban him from the casino, which I did.
[ 2008.11.29 02:52:31 ] Chorizo Chorizo > hi [ 2008.11.29 02:52:44 ] Chorizo Chorizo > any chanc ei can sitl get that 200m loan? [ 2008.11.29 02:53:19 ] emf > ok [ 2008.11.29 02:56:09 ] Chorizo Chorizo > thank you [ 2008.11.29 02:56:32 ] Chorizo Chorizo > now for my next request [ 2008.11.29 02:56:43 ] Chorizo Chorizo > can you ip ban me from the casino site please [ 2008.11.29 02:56:58 ] Chorizo Chorizo > im gona keep runing myself into ground [ 2008.11.29 02:57:04 ] Chorizo Chorizo > this same thing hapened last year with eve poker [ 2008.11.29 02:57:06 ] emf > ok, i'll ban you [ 2008.11.29 02:57:11 ] Chorizo Chorizo > i used to have beter char a lot of isk etc [ 2008.11.29 02:57:14 ] emf > well I'll just send back isk [ 2008.11.29 02:57:23 ] Chorizo Chorizo > and i eneded up selling my charon forums for isk [ 2008.11.29 02:57:37 ] Chorizo Chorizo > next thing i now im not playing eve just using whatver i i get to lose in poker [ 2008.11.29 02:57:42 ] Chorizo Chorizo > and not being able to stop [ 2008.11.29 02:58:06 ] Chorizo Chorizo > 3 years of work went down drain, i purposely got myself baned from eve poker a few months ago [ 2008.11.29 02:58:16 ] Chorizo Chorizo > and started geting backon track [ 2008.11.29 02:58:22 ] Chorizo Chorizo > i got a severe gambling isssue [ 2008.11.29 02:58:29 ] Chorizo Chorizo > then your casino came and it hit me all over [ 2008.11.29 02:58:33 ] Chorizo Chorizo > i will always lose [ 2008.11.29 02:58:40 ] Chorizo Chorizo > cause no mater how much i win i cant stop [ 2008.11.29 02:59:07 ] Chorizo Chorizo > and wehn i ened up under i tryto break even and go firther under [ 2008.11.29 02:59:29 ] Chorizo Chorizo > i was about to buy a nice new char on forums todays with 38m sp, was equal to one i gave away a while ago for isks [ 2008.11.29 02:59:41 ] Chorizo Chorizo > now im back at dquare one again :( [ 2008.11.29 03:00:41 ] emf > ok, stop gambling then [ 2008.11.29 03:00:49 ] emf > I won't accept any isk cept the loan [ 2008.11.29 03:01:07 ] emf > better in eve than in real life [ 2008.11.29 03:01:23 ] Chorizo Chorizo > actualy [ 2008.11.29 03:01:27 ] Chorizo Chorizo > ive went weeks without food [ 2008.11.29 03:01:36 ] Chorizo Chorizo > from galbing [ 2008.11.29 03:01:39 ] emf > hmmm [ 2008.11.29 03:01:41 ] Chorizo Chorizo > gambling [ 2008.11.29 03:01:53 ] Chorizo Chorizo > any time i go out now i make sure my friend goes with me [ 2008.11.29 03:01:57 ] Chorizo Chorizo > any time. [ 2008.11.29 03:02:08 ] Chorizo Chorizo > he keeps me from buying anything lotery or anytthing [ 2008.11.29 03:02:20 ] Chorizo Chorizo > i will go to store and really belibe im going for snacks and stuff [ 2008.11.29 03:02:28 ] Chorizo Chorizo > i wil say il buy 1 and walk way [ 2008.11.29 03:02:32 ] Chorizo Chorizo > then i buy another [ 2008.11.29 03:02:39 ] Chorizo Chorizo > and 15 minutes later il be down 200 dollars [ 2008.11.29 03:04:08 ] emf > wow [ 2008.11.29 03:04:59 ] Chorizo Chorizo > it gets worse but imnot sure you wana get intot it [ 2008.11.29 03:19:44 ] Chorizo Chorizo > goto run have a good night ok
The next day he sends me 1.6 bil to play, I send it back to him. He then decides he wants 12 billion ISK... Of course this boils down to my word against his word.
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Handelsschnucki
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Posted - 2008.12.02 20:40:00 -
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Hi, first off Id like to state that I have no deeper insight in whats going on but I did make an investment into the casino in the hope it turned out to be profitable.
I was pretty shocked after Ridics posting but the content in a way did not correspong with the screenshot and 5 lines of text. I see a guy with addiction problems, a screenshot with alot of winnings and a text log saying the game was rigged (so he should have lost?!). Things dont really fit together here.
Could we maybe get a condensed overview of ins and outs of the last weeks? I understand this might not be able within an hour or so but I guess you guys are more expierenced with using journal data and such. No need to panic here, I hope, Id just like to get some information thrown at me to ease my mind.
Best Regards, Handelsschnucki
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Orkane
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.02 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Orkane on 02/12/2008 20:54:23 According to here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=927783&page=5
3rd post from top by the auditor Kazzac Elentria , Proves that Chorizo had 12 Billon isk in the casino which Banker Lucy Wiped clean.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.02 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Orkane Edited by: Orkane on 02/12/2008 20:54:23 According to here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=927783&page=5
3rd post from top by the auditor Kazzac Elentria , Proves that Chorizo had 12 Billon isk in the casino which Banker Lucy Wiped clean.
Lucy, get with Ricdic to verify funds transfer so we can put things to rest if you paid this player out (which you obviously have in past dealings as I verified in the original audit) |
Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.03 01:08:00 -
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I plan to charge 200m to both parties involved in the dispute. The party who comes out as the winner gets their 200m back. Please wire the funds to Ricdics. Failure to comply will be self evidential of guilt.
Either that, or sort it out ingame between yourselves. Kazzac if this dispute proceeds as per above you will recieve 50% of earnings as a result as it will require us sitting down together comparing the logs to the API data of the characters.
I'm not overly interested in sitting down having to work with this for nothing when I could be doing far more productive things. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.03 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdics I plan to charge 200m to both parties involved in the dispute. The party who comes out as the winner gets their 200m back. Please wire the funds to Ricdics. Failure to comply will be self evidential of guilt.
Either that, or sort it out ingame between yourselves. Kazzac if this dispute proceeds as per above you will recieve 50% of earnings as a result as it will require us sitting down together comparing the logs to the API data of the characters.
I'm not overly interested in sitting down having to work with this for nothing when I could be doing far more productive things.
I'm all for that bet, and I'll up the anty another 200
I still have the EMMA outputs so it should make for quick work. |
Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.03 07:15:00 -
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It wasn't supposed to be a bet just a charge for our time resolving the dispute. It would be initially charged to both parties however the winner of the dispute (ie the one we found not guilty) would get their fee back. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.03 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdics It wasn't supposed to be a bet just a charge for our time resolving the dispute. It would be initially charged to both parties however the winner of the dispute (ie the one we found not guilty) would get their fee back.
Nah, mines a bet seeing that I was the initial auditor on the project. More of a money where my mouth is.
Lesson learned I guess... next time I'll be passing judgment on anything I audit instead of just presenting information. |
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.03 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Lesson learned I guess... next time I'll be passing judgment on anything I audit instead of just presenting information.
I'm not inclined to agree with your stance, but I understand where it is coming from. If you do this, please prominently delineate the two.
MDD Jump Clones: 8M and NO corp switching |
emf
Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2008.12.03 18:08:00 -
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Why would I involve myself in all this drama? Especially not a bet... I will continue to operate the casino and pay out people but I won't be posting in this thread again. |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.03 23:21:00 -
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Not the way to resolve the issue EMF.
Its imperative that we find out what happened. If it was a scam your casino is finished. If it wasn't a scam we should be able to figure it out and your credibility will be restored.
I want to get a chat channel open ingame to discuss the issue with you, Kazzac and maybe even the affected party to try and get clarity on the situation. Currently we have one side of the story but you haven't provided yours. |
Binner
Demonic Retribution G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.04 02:15:00 -
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after a long 24 hour wait.. i received isk on the site last night. i then had some fun with roullette.. ended up making a 50mil profit and i cashout. seeing on what would happen. tonight i log in to see the isk is in my wallet:)
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.04 02:26:00 -
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EMF you need to get in contact with Chorizo and sort this mess out. If this isn't working you need to have a neutral 3rd party mediate the issue and determine precisely what happened.
You can't just slide this under a rug.
Whilst I have washed my hands with the issue i want clarification on a couple of points:
1) Did Chorizo get his account balance up to 12 billion isk through winnings?
2) Did you decline Chorizo his winnings due to the claim that he wasn't allowed to play as he had requested (gambling addiction etc etc)?
3) If Chorizo did request a withdrawal once his account went to 12 billion isk precisely why wasn't it actioned?
From what I can gather the issue is that Chorizo first spoke with EMF explaining his gambling problem and asking if he could be banned from the client. EMF accepted this proposal. Now the next part is where I think the dispute occured.
EMF Point of View: * Chorizo deposited 1.6b in 2 payments. * He then managed to get it up to 12 billion isk * EMF sent his 1.6 billion isk back and cleared the balance advising that he was banned from the poker service as per his previous request.
Chorizo Point of View: * Chorizo spoke with EMF in convo advising he wanted the ban lifted. EMF agreed to lifting he ban * Chorizo deposited 1.6b in 2 payments * He then managed to get it up to 12 billion isk * He then requested immediate withdrawal * The following convo took place:
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Channel ID: 2138025085 Channel Name: Private Chat (alone) Listener: Chorizo Chorizo Session started: 2008.12.02 04:24:53 ---------------------------------------------------------------
[ 2008.12.02 04:25:06 ] Chorizo Chorizo > hi [ 2008.12.02 04:25:24 ] Chorizo Chorizo > i want a full cash out please [ 2008.12.02 04:25:35 ] Banker Lucy > hey [ 2008.12.02 04:25:35 ] Chorizo Chorizo > hope your sitting [ 2008.12.02 04:25:40 ] Chorizo Chorizo > you wont be happy [ 2008.12.02 04:25:51 ] Chorizo Chorizo > just remember to breath [ 2008.12.02 04:27:06 ] Banker Lucy > lol, you shouldnt be gambling... I rigged it, figured it's the only way to stop you from gambling. Hope you stop gambling in real life too. [ 2008.12.02 04:27:13 ] Banker Lucy > o/
So that's the information I have from both sides of the fence. I don't know what is correct, what is doctored etc. As far as I am concerned rigging the casino is incredibly scary if someone can just fiddle with that for the hell of it.
The defence seemingly being used by EMF is that there was an agreement to not gamble any more so the betting and consecutive winnings were invalid. The interesting question, had Chorizo lost 12 billion instead of winning 12 billion, would EMF have still refunded him?
Also, was there a real agreement to rescind the gambling ban?
This issue really needs clarification, EMF don't try to sweet it under the rug as it will backfire on you. An investigation and determination needs to be made and it should be done in public (either here or in a dedicated thread).
Either that or get a mediator to work between EMF and Chorizo. Otherwise its game over for your casino. Ignoring the allegation is considered an acceptance of guilt. |
Alija de'Chiarr
CF Capitalists Inc. Galactic System Lords Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.06 00:43:00 -
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May I interrupt these issues for a moment to bring up a technical one?
Apostrophes in Names don't seem to be escaped when queries are dispatched to the MySQL database, thus preventing me to sign up with my main. The full wording of the error is: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'Chiarr'' at line 1.
If my suspicion is correct, this also raises a potentially fatal problem. If queries are dispatched unescaped, this makes the web application very much vulnerable to SQL injection attacks.
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Angel Lightbringer
Caldari Dark Evolution Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.10 01:47:00 -
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Just a small bump and question: Is the automatic deposit broken?
I sent 15mil to Banker Lucy with "auto" (without quotes) as comment, 2 days ago and it is still not in my casino account. I did send 5 and 10mil before and it worked, but wasn't by automatic deposit.
We're not talking billion here but hey, I'd like to be able to play or get the isk back.
Thanks.
-Angel |
Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.10 11:59:00 -
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Whilst the current issue is being resolved I would strongly advise no-one be playing on those tables. There's currently a claim of theft on the OP that has gone virtually unanswered by the person running this operation.
Frankly I think it's insane people are still wiring money across with things in their current state. Wait till resolution is forthcoming or you may just be throwing your isk away. |
Angel Lightbringer
Caldari Dark Evolution Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdics Frankly I think it's insane people are still wiring money across with things in their current state. Wait till resolution is forthcoming or you may just be throwing your isk away.
Well, problem is more due to the fact that, once a transaction really happened, there is no reason to come back here each time. You added the teller to your address book and simply 'give money'.
This is why I, and others I am sure, wired ISK at least once before coming back here and see this issue.
The fact that the player isn't... a) answering here; b) fixing/completing/aborting transactions. ...is showing alot.
The question is, after how long do we declare evecasino a scam ?
Unless he's not playing right now, which could explain why he isn't answering, there is no reason not to return/complete transfers even though there is an issue with a player.
I gave him the benefit oh the doubt as, I read there was issues with API transaction (auto) before, I eve-mailed the teller about the issue, without any feedback.
If memory serves right, I did see Banker Lucy log in/out during my waiting period, but I won't claim it, I am not 100% sure.
-Angel |
endaler
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Posted - 2008.12.19 17:50:00 -
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any news?
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Fay Tol
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.03 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Fay Tol on 03/01/2009 22:02:49 it's a scam it seems Fay Tol |
Korso Hawke
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Posted - 2009.02.02 10:20:00 -
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I sent in 2 mill through the api system about 10~ hours ago and have yet to be credited my founds or see Banker Lucy log on. Maybe He's currently inactive or scaming all wanting a good game at some blackjack. Either way until he posts back to this thread, I would recommend all NOT TO SEND ISK TO BANKER LUCY. Until he gives some type of response. May it be ingame, or on this site. (If he responds to me ingame I'll report back.) But like I said atm don't send isk unless you don't want it. In wich case you can send to me :P. |
Korso Hawke
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Posted - 2009.02.02 13:48:00 -
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UPDATE: IT'S A CON, GRIFT. SCHEME, SWINDLE!!
SCAM
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=927783
He scamed over 40 bill, and was quite dodgy about relasing his code. |
Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.02 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Korso Hawke UPDATE: IT'S A CON, GRIFT. SCHEME, SWINDLE!!
SCAM
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=927783
He scamed over 40 bill, and was quite dodgy about relasing his code.
No offense but the status of this operation has been known for a while now.
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