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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion To kill AF:
Fit: 1 Web 1 Scram 1 Heavy Neut
Activate all on your target and saute gently. Serve to taste.
Rather unnecessary.
Web ⇒ reduces target speed to 4-500m/s — still too fast to hit. Scram ⇒ pointless because the target uses an AB — use a good old disruptor instead. Neut ⇒ Ok, this works…
Then again, if that's your standard setup, then sure — might as well throw it all in.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 12/11/2008 09:08:10
Originally by: knobber Jobbler And your supposed to put this all on a mission running ship where all its slots are pretty much spoken for?
Mission running ships don't fight 1000+m/s AFs. The fact that we're talking about scrams, alone, should tell you that we're not discussing missions here.
For your problems: use drones (and stop overtanking — squeezing a web in there is easy if you feel the need to do so).
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres Ever tried to tank AE L4 bonus room with just 3 midslots used for tanking? on a shieldtanker.
Make it work out for a normal raven and I might agree with you.
Maybe that's your problem right there: you're trying to do it the same way, when things have changed. What targets are you having problems with? How hard is your tank pushed right now? What is it about your tank that requires the full rack of midslots?
For the record, the standard mission-runner battlecruisers have no tanking the bonus room, and they already have weapons that slices and dices small target…
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres Killing 1m bounty angel battleships in a drake is pointless.
Why? Pointless in what way?
Quote: Using drones for small targets is fine , but having to use heavy drones to have proper damage vs battleships just means its probably better to fly any other race's ships.
Define "proper damage" — again, any of the BCs already do just fine against mission battleships.
Also, is there any reason you didn't want to answer my questions?
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres Time/isk ratio is too low to make it worthwhile.
Again, using what setup? Define "proper damage".
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: My Sister yes i have drones except drones tend to bring down the whole pocket on you - or they get blown up before you take out many frigs cos they got pocket agro. also dont forget that they have now "rebalanced" med drones against frigate sized targets. drones are not the anser to all missle vs frig problems
Interesting. I fly a ship where 50% (or more, depending on setup) of the damage output comes from drones. I don't have any of the problems you describe…
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Khamal Jolstien That's strange. I've had the same problem. Drones can draw aggro from some groups in missions.
Yes. Drones can draw aggro. No. It isn't a problem.
Quote: And LOL if your caldari relying on drones for PVP.
Being Caldari ≠ flying Caldari. LOL if you're that narrowminded.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dee Caffari Negative aspects of missiles: - Only 1 tier of launcher per missile type
Works the other way as well: no need to train a ton of prerequisites to get to the stuff you want (especially T2 stuff).
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Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.11.14 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ragnar Darkstar A midslot on a Dominix is less of a sacrifice than a midslot on a Raven. 90% of the problems could be solved with a highslot version of the target painter and maybe some minor tweaks to explosion velocity. Drake/Raven/CNR all have an extra highslot.
…that extra slot is where your drone mod goes. It helps a lot too.
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Posted - 2008.11.17 21:00:00 -
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– I say your 3% titanium tax goes too far! – And I say your 3% titanium tax doesn't go too far enough!
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Posted - 2008.11.20 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Nash Med Drone Nerf.
Can't fit 5 large drone's in a any Cal Battleship.
Sounds like you want to replace your nerfed mediums with heavies… lolwut?
Or are you saying you want to engage large targets, but can't carry the heavies for the job? In that case: good news! Mediums are as effective as ever against larger targets.
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Posted - 2008.11.22 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Juan Chance Wait for the next nerf maybe someone will figure out all you have to do on a lvl4 in a droneboat is aggro all, set drones and go have supper
Shhhh! Don't expose my easymode!
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Posted - 2008.11.22 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: soulkiller3 The thing is you can use a drone boat, but it takes forever plus they is a good chance the rats will switch to the drones
Weeeeeell… until we get some proper NPC AI, I'm going to disagree with this. The chance of rats changing to the drones in next to zero — respawns my target them, but once you draw aggro on your ship, the drones are pretty much 100% safe.
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Posted - 2008.11.23 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Opertone
Originally by: soulkiller3 ok if missiles are so underpowered why don`t you just switch to guns??
there are no gun hardpoints on caldari ships...
Sarcasm or not, this argument seems to come up a lot so I think it's time for a repost:
For your pleasure:
Non-missile ships Harpy — Hybrids. Ferox — Hybrids + Launcher + 5x Drones. Rokh — Hybrids + Launchers + 5x Drones. Scorpion — Turrets + Launchers + 5x Drones. Chimera — More drones than your mom can handle. Vulture — Hybrids + Launchers + 5x Drones. Blackbird — Turrets + Launchers. Moa — Hybrids + Launchers + 3x Drones. Osprey — Turrets + Launchers + 4x Drones. Cormorant — Hybrids + Launcher. Falcon — Turrets + Launchers. Bantam — Turrets + 1x Drone. Merlin — Hybrids + Launchers. Eagle — Hybrids + Launchers. Badger — Turret. Bardger Mk II — Turret. Raptor — Hybrids + Launchers. Wyvern — More drones than your mom and her dog can handle.
Missile + Drone ships Drake — Missiles + 5x Drones. Raven — Missiles + 5x Drones. Widow — Missiles + 5x Drones. Nighthawk — Missiles (+ turret) + 5x Drones. Caracal — Missiles (+ turrets) + 2x Drones. Phoenix — Missiles (+ turret) + 5x Drones. Griffin — Missiles (+ turret) + 1x Drone. Heron — Missiles (+ turret) + 1x Drone. Basilisk – Missiles (+ turret) + 5x Drones. Golem — Missiles + 5x Drones. Leviathan — Missiles + 5x Drones.
Missile ships with turret slots Buzzard. Kitsune. Condor. Crow. Flycatcher. Manticore.
Missile-only ships Hawk. Rook. Kestrel. Cerberus. Onyx. Crane.
Of the 41 Caldari ships that can fit some kind of weapon, 23 are missile-oriented. Of those 23, 11 can field drones. Of the 12 that remain, 3 are not really combat ships and 6 can fit turrets for things the missiles can't catch. A total of 6 out of 41 ships (14%) have no option but to use missiles. Of those 6, two have better ways of ruining the enemy's day, and one isn't a combat ship. Out of the 41 ships, 20 can carry drones — 14 can field a full drone swarm.
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Posted - 2008.11.23 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 23/11/2008 12:45:50
Originally by: Valandria Koshun nice overview but cut it down on the ships capable for lvl4 missions, the ist lokks little bit different
Ok…
Non-missile ships Ferox — Hybrids + Launcher + 5x Drones. Rokh — Hybrids + Launchers + 5x Drones. Scorpion — Turrets + Launchers + 5x Drones. Vulture — Hybrids + Launchers + 5x Drones. Eagle — Hybrids + Launchers.
Missile + Drone ships Drake — Missiles + 5x Drones. Raven — Missiles + 5x Drones. Nighthawk — Missiles (+ turret) + 5x Drones. Golem — Missiles + 5x Drones.
Missile-only ships Cerberus.
Of the 10 Caldari ships that are L4 mission-capable, 5 are missile-oriented. Of those 5, 4 can field drones and 2 of those use cruiser-sized weapons so drones aren't even that necessary. The one missile-only that remain also uses cruiser weapons and can therefore also handle small ships with relative ease already. Out of the 10 ships, 8 can carry drones and all of those can field a full drone swarm.
…and that's without considering some of the (admittedly sillier) setups that would use capships in open-space lowsec L4s or overtanked T1 combat cruiser or T2 support cruisers.
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Posted - 2008.11.23 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres So why not nerf beams , rails and arty's then
If by "nerf" you mean "remove optimal and allow them to hit at any range" then sure.
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Posted - 2008.11.23 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 23/11/2008 15:30:02
Originally by: Odessima People keep on mentioning drones as well for caldari ships, sure they can fit 5 drones, try fitting 5 heavy drones in a raven.
People are mentioning drones for the purpose of hittting things that your cruises/torps can't deal with. Why on earth would you want to use heavies for that purpose?
…oh, and 75m¦/75Mbps combo means you can field the multi-efficient 1+2+2 combo. Try it.
Originally by: Hyveres
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Hyveres So why not nerf beams , rails and arty's then
If by "nerf" you mean "remove optimal and allow them to hit at any range" then sure.
And make their damage dependant on target velocity vs sig radius ofc :)
You mean the way it already is? Sure!
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Posted - 2008.11.23 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT frigs should not have a free pass against BS in the way they do..
They don't. Battleships have plenty of weapon systems available to them that can mess smaller ships up something fierce.
Quote: a BS is a BS and should not be so vulnerable to frig attacks like they are.
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Posted - 2008.11.23 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail Pray tell, what advantage do missiles gain over projectiles to make up for transversal not having any effect?
Say what?
Why would they get additional advantages to "make up for" the advantage of not being affected by transversal? Or did you confuse transversal with speed in general?
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Posted - 2008.11.24 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira Nano nerf was needed, and in the interest of the game! Missile nerf was needed, and in the interest of the game!
Sif! We don't need reasoned and balanced thinking on these boards!
Lern2whineflame and don't come back until you know how!
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Posted - 2008.11.25 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Opertone how about turret users mind their own business, missiles do not bother them
Humour.
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Posted - 2008.11.26 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Karille You need better drone skills. My Ishkur was an even match for a vagabond a few days ago. I'm not saying that the two pilots were of the same skill, but I stripped off his entire shield with my Hobgoblin II drones and yes, he had an mwd, no he wasn't webbed.
…then again, the bolded part makes a huge difference now: using an MWD is currently among the kindest thing you can do to your enemy — no amount of TPs he fits and precision skills he trains can come close to that kind of 500% self-paintage.
It's a tricky choice: shut off his MWD and make him harder to hit, or let him keep it on and make it easier for him to run away.
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