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lol fourm troll
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:47:00 -
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Xioden Acap wrote:So to sum up the thread thus far; "I'm too lazy to put any effort into getting something so it should be removed from people who have it already." There was a farmer who had a dog and BINGO was his name-o, B - I - N - G - O |
Congestion Bomb
Mads And Bads
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:48:00 -
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EvE is suposed to be a game about scarce resouces, a dog eat dog world where entities fight over the few scraps left in this world, the whole premise of the game is built around factions fighting for dominance of the few assets in this world since it was cut off from the EvE Gate.
The idea of an infinate resource in this game, one that generates such masses of ISK for absolutly no risk or effort stands against this games very core. Its just plain broken and needs to be fixed.
TLDR; Remove T2 BPO and force people to compeate with the rest of EvE like every other aspect of the game. |
lol fourm troll
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:52:00 -
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Congestion Bomb wrote:EvE is suposed to be a game about scarce resouces, a dog eat dog world where entities fight over the few scraps left in this world, the whole premise of the game is built around factions fighting for dominance of the few assets in this world since it was cut off from the EvE Gate.
The idea of an infinate resource in this game, one that generates such masses of ISK for absolutly no risk or effort stands against this games very core. Its just plain broken and needs to be fixed.
TLDR; Remove T2 BPO and force people to compeate with the rest of EvE like every other aspect of the game. What is scarcer than T2 BPOs? |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:07:00 -
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lol fourm troll wrote:Congestion Bomb wrote:EvE is suposed to be a game about scarce resouces, a dog eat dog world where entities fight over the few scraps left in this world, the whole premise of the game is built around factions fighting for dominance of the few assets in this world since it was cut off from the EvE Gate.
The idea of an infinate resource in this game, one that generates such masses of ISK for absolutly no risk or effort stands against this games very core. Its just plain broken and needs to be fixed.
TLDR; Remove T2 BPO and force people to compeate with the rest of EvE like every other aspect of the game. What is scarcer than T2 BPOs?
The effort that was required to originally obtain it. |
lol fourm troll
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:13:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:lol fourm troll wrote:Congestion Bomb wrote:EvE is suposed to be a game about scarce resouces, a dog eat dog world where entities fight over the few scraps left in this world, the whole premise of the game is built around factions fighting for dominance of the few assets in this world since it was cut off from the EvE Gate.
The idea of an infinate resource in this game, one that generates such masses of ISK for absolutly no risk or effort stands against this games very core. Its just plain broken and needs to be fixed.
TLDR; Remove T2 BPO and force people to compeate with the rest of EvE like every other aspect of the game. What is scarcer than T2 BPOs? The effort that was required to originally obtain it. How much effort does it take to get a T1 BPO |
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:15:00 -
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I'd endorse it only if there's another way to get T2 BPCs into the world.. or a non-expiring method of obtaining T2 BPOs. |
Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:25:00 -
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lol fourm troll wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:lol fourm troll wrote:Congestion Bomb wrote:EvE is suposed to be a game about scarce resouces, a dog eat dog world where entities fight over the few scraps left in this world, the whole premise of the game is built around factions fighting for dominance of the few assets in this world since it was cut off from the EvE Gate.
The idea of an infinate resource in this game, one that generates such masses of ISK for absolutly no risk or effort stands against this games very core. Its just plain broken and needs to be fixed.
TLDR; Remove T2 BPO and force people to compeate with the rest of EvE like every other aspect of the game. What is scarcer than T2 BPOs? The effort that was required to originally obtain it. How much effort does it take to get a T1 BPO
As much effort as it takes to earn the isk, usually? These days it's the same way you get a T2 BPO, through the effort used to earn the isk, if an opportunity is present. So yes, there is effort. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:27:00 -
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The thing I love about these T2 BPO threads is that the OP's think they are actually making a difference by posting. Like CCP is actually listening as if they are interested in changing the current system. News flash: They aren't.
This has been argued 1000's of times for at least the last 4 years with the same arguments and sometimes many of the same people. Guess what? CCP doesn't care. Example: It took what, 2 years for them to change the BP location selector to not default to 'Blueprint Location'? After how many years of requesting it? What makes you think they give two ****'s about T2 BPO's? Even if they did, why would they choose this out of any other request in the game right now?
So seriously OP...total honesty - stop wasting your time and learn to live with it or quit. Those are your two options because no one else (other than the crazy people who keep trying to talk sense to you), cares. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
lol fourm troll
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:28:00 -
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Duvida wrote:lol fourm troll wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:lol fourm troll wrote:Congestion Bomb wrote:EvE is suposed to be a game about scarce resouces, a dog eat dog world where entities fight over the few scraps left in this world, the whole premise of the game is built around factions fighting for dominance of the few assets in this world since it was cut off from the EvE Gate.
The idea of an infinate resource in this game, one that generates such masses of ISK for absolutly no risk or effort stands against this games very core. Its just plain broken and needs to be fixed.
TLDR; Remove T2 BPO and force people to compeate with the rest of EvE like every other aspect of the game. What is scarcer than T2 BPOs? The effort that was required to originally obtain it. How much effort does it take to get a T1 BPO As much effort as it takes to earn the isk, usually? These days it's the same way you get a T2 BPO, through the effort used to earn the isk, if an opportunity is present. So yes, there is effort. Well if you want zero effort get a bot, then get ban |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.04.06 02:02:00 -
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Yeah either introduce the lottery again - make industry a nice equal footing profession again or remove them.
It's simple, it requires little thought to realise how unbalanced this is and unfair to current newer playerbase.
Some people and alliances have hundreds of these things laying around that they didn't buy, but just lottery'd.
It is non-essential gameplay and completely ridiculous that CCP is worried about the ramifications of people losing money through these. CSM7 Skype Leak
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De Guantanamo
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.06 02:20:00 -
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o is it that time of year already?
obligatory "you're terrible at eve, consider suicide" |
Bluestream3
the Goose Flock
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Posted - 2012.04.06 02:35:00 -
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I think it's funny how there are never any counter arguments in these threads. These threads are always about bashing the OP and never about really discussing T2 BPOs. The funny thing is I think we all know why this is, there are no good reasons to keep them in-game. It's just people trying to protect their investments, and I guess some people just hop on the "bash the OP because he's bad at Eve"-bandwagon thinking they're cool by doing so. At least that's how I see it. |
Stella SGP
65
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Posted - 2012.04.06 03:24:00 -
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Are those TEARS I see coming out of the OP's eyes?
OP seem to have missed the word "persistent" when he signed up an EVE account and wants to blame others for his own personal failure in playing a game! |
Stella SGP
65
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Posted - 2012.04.06 03:31:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Yeah either introduce the lottery again - make industry a nice equal footing profession again or remove them.
It's simple, it requires little thought to realise how unbalanced this is and unfair to current newer playerbase. The problem is if they introduced the lottery again and you didn't win, you'll be back here crying again along with all the other peasants. |
Brock Nelson
548
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Posted - 2012.04.06 04:51:00 -
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Oh **** off with this topic.. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2012.04.06 05:02:00 -
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You know, there would probably be enough T2 BPOs in circulation by now to eliminate the monopolies if CCP had just continued operating the T2 BPO lottery instead of replacing it with invention.
But whatever, invention is still plenty profitable if you build the right items. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.04.06 07:41:00 -
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Devan Reale wrote:Jesus Christ, why can't you people just let it go?
You don't like BPOs? Man up and buy some PLEX, convert to ISK, pay for BPOs, and Trash them. Problem solved.
But no, you have to DEMAND that people play the game YOUR way. Get the f*ck over it.
As if T2 BPO's are a common item to be sold.And the ones that are sold, generally cost so much maybe your grandchildren will eventually make a profit on them. Pretty much the only players that have the ISK lying around to buy up T2 BPOs are the ones that already got insanely rich by having another one already. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Eva Volkova
nXo Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.04.06 08:23:00 -
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I agree T2 BPO are a problem.
If they dont whant to remove them then make them me -25 so its final product is worse than invention.
Invention should be better than T2 BPO and the problem will be solved. Have a BPO that cost more to build or invent it for cheaper product.
Datacores will rise in cost so invention will be more expensive.
In some products (not the most used) there are selling under invention cost and thats a problem.
Invention should be more profitable than a t2 BPO because it takes more time from the player.
CPP has said they are going to change how new items are introduced moving from BPO to BPC.
Removing / making t2 BPO worse is the right move. |
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer DUCT TAPE UNION
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Posted - 2012.04.06 10:27:00 -
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Acorn FB wrote:Using a broken mechanic (Incursion farmers income) to defend anther broken mechanic (the sloppy distributed T2 BPOs) is kinda dumb. oh well, running L4s / nullratting / trading works as well of course. Trading probably way better.
Acorn FB wrote:But since you claim to have bought 5 T2 BPOs the odds are you are not very bright or very rich from some other source, since they sell for such a high price they almost never make economic sense, unless you caught a lucky sale or just looking to invest a mountain of idle isk to get some return for it. I made the money from. *drums* INVENTION It just works perfectly, im still producing a lot of T2 modules from invented BPC today, and it makes about 10 times more ISK than all my T2 BPO combined. You dont buy a T2 BPO to make the big ISK, its just a way to sink a too large pile of ISK. Its like the Titan of Industrials.
Acorn FB wrote:The investment only makes sense on the basis of passive income since a BPO is caple of much longer production runs *nods*
Possible posting upcoming: "Oh Gatan, you say you made that ISK from invention, but how is this possible when the evil evil rich 1% and their T2 BPO ruin the invention market?????????????" Thanks for your question mouth breather. If you want to invent and produce T2 for a profit you do MATH. You pick an item that is very profitable to invent and produce, not an item that is not even profitable to produce from a T2 BPO. Thanks for your attention span. |
Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
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Posted - 2012.04.06 11:08:00 -
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If you think they are awesome buy one. You'll even start to make a profit in 5-10 years, after you recoup the bpo cost. That is if Eve is still around in 10 years.
If you aren't willing to buy one, they must not be that great. So whats the problem? Does the guy next door have a shinier toy then you? |
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
30
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Posted - 2012.04.06 11:37:00 -
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As stated it is the same old CCP pets on alt accounts who use invalid argument or just personall attacks to protect the one thing in EVE that puts them where they are. These are players who've lived off CCP hand outs in the form of gifted T2 BPO's their entire game life.
I will do my up most to keep this thread at the top of the board so that New players are quickly made aware of the existance of T2BPO and how they were given out by CCP to pet players and corps so that they could undercut new players and feel that they were some how better at industry. The BPO that allows the basic printing of ISK with zero thought or effort that allows you to miss an entire tedious step of gameplay.
Yet again if you bought the T2BPO disregard you should be compensate in full by ISK removed from the seller. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
236
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Posted - 2012.04.06 11:44:00 -
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Bluestream3 wrote:I think it's funny how there are never any counter arguments in these threads. These threads are always about bashing the OP and never about really discussing T2 BPOs. The funny thing is I think we all know why this is, there are no good reasons to keep them in-game. It's just people trying to protect their investments, and I guess some people just hop on the "bash the OP because he's bad at Eve"-bandwagon thinking they're cool by doing so. At least that's how I see it. No, this has been debated for years. The points have been made. People who want to get rid of them all have one thing in common, they don't have a T2 BPO. That's really what it comes down to.
No good reason to keep them in game? What about the people who bought them? Think that might **** them off a bit? What about the stats that were just released on how many items are made from T2 BPOs? Should that have any effect on the debate?
These threads are pointless and we get one here like every other month. CCP *does* *not* *care*. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
236
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Posted - 2012.04.06 11:50:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:As stated it is the same old CCP pets on alt accounts who use invalid argument or just personall attacks to protect the one thing in EVE that puts them where they are. These are players who've lived off CCP hand outs in the form of gifted T2 BPO's their entire game life.
I will do my up most to keep this thread at the top of the board so that New players are quickly made aware of the existance of T2BPO and how they were given out by CCP to pet players and corps so that they could undercut new players and feel that they were some how better at industry. The BPO that allows the basic printing of ISK with zero thought or effort that allows you to miss an entire tedious step of gameplay.
Yet again if you bought the T2BPO disregard you should be compensate in full by ISK removed from the seller. Wow, you really need to let it go. So I'm a CCP pet? I don't own a T2 BPO. Never have and never will. I've also made billions from invention. Hell I could have bought several T2 BPO's if I wanted. But instead of whining about them as some unfair advantage, I did the math and found out that *gasp* they aren't worth it!
Let it go man.
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
30
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Posted - 2012.04.06 11:52:00 -
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Yes you are right CCP don't care about anything that would make the game better they are just intrested in monthly subscriptions. That is why it is important to keep this in the lime light as removing T2 BPO would increasce subscriptions as more people make manufacturing alts.
Far more people in EVE don't have a gifted T2 BPO so removing them makes sense as people will take up the slack with invention alts. If these pets want to rage quit let them they have been ruining eve for long enougth, we can also laught at their fail corps as they drop dead from lack off CCP hands outs, these corps which are basicaly dossers who live on welfare or simply have members of CCP devs amongst them.
Yet again if you bought your T2BPO I totally agree that you should be reinbursed ISK in full from the sellers char. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
30
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Posted - 2012.04.06 12:01:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:As stated it is the same old CCP pets on alt accounts who use invalid argument or just personall attacks to protect the one thing in EVE that puts them where they are. These are players who've lived off CCP hand outs in the form of gifted T2 BPO's their entire game life.
I will do my up most to keep this thread at the top of the board so that New players are quickly made aware of the existance of T2BPO and how they were given out by CCP to pet players and corps so that they could undercut new players and feel that they were some how better at industry. The BPO that allows the basic printing of ISK with zero thought or effort that allows you to miss an entire tedious step of gameplay.
Yet again if you bought the T2BPO disregard you should be compensate in full by ISK removed from the seller. Wow, you really need to let it go. So I'm a CCP pet? I don't own a T2 BPO. Never have and never will. I've also made billions from invention. Hell I could have bought several T2 BPO's if I wanted. But instead of whining about them as some unfair advantage, I did the math and found out that *gasp* they aren't worth it! Let it go man.
Then disregard and no I will not let it go because it is completely unfair. CCP advertises eve as a sand box where players compete in a player own and run universe. This is simply un true, CCP interferes and gives hand outs to a chosen few to keep them at the top when ever possible. New players should be aware of this fact before subscribing to this game. |
Gravecall
Nordic Innovations BLACK-MARK
3
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Posted - 2012.04.06 12:14:00 -
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So let see, basically T2 BPOs should be removed because not everyone has one and they cost more than some noob can afford? In that case I'm afraid it'd be the end of most capital ships too, possibly even battleships and most t2 ships as this person seems to be one hell of a noob.
I've bought a few T2 BPOs, wasn't around for the original lottery and it did cost me billions of isk to buy them, but instead of wasting time with an emo-whine I got on with things, grinded my way to riches and bought them.
Am I a CCP alt, or in any way a player favoured by them? No. Heck if you actually did the 20 minutes of research you claim, you'd find that claim of yours is BS, since when a member of CCP was found to have supplied T2 BPOs to allies years ago they were removed from the recipients and re-raffled: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424 . |
quickshot89
No trouble in the midst STR8NGE BREW
11
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Posted - 2012.04.06 12:28:00 -
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This is a sandbox game, nothing is meant to be fair
II will be 6 years old in game next week, I dont care that younger players or older players have more stuff than me, i just get on with it |
Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro.
306
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Posted - 2012.04.06 12:32:00 -
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There is still no good reason to remove T2 BPOs.
If the T2 item is in enough demand that BPO owners can't produce enough then inventors set the price.
If the T2 item is in little enough demand that BPO owners can produce enough then the item would still suck even if you removed the BPO.
That said if you want to do something that will actually get T2 BPOs removed from the game then check the links in my sig. Buy T2H8R shares for 1M and that isk will go towards the removal of a T2 BPO. One of those "money where your mouth is" things, obviously I expect that most of the whiners to pony up - they'd rather cry to papa CCP to do it for them and that is why they will never achieve anything. Help rid New Eden of T2 BPOs:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62797 The Full Pocket Aggro blog:-á http://fullpocketaggro.blogspot.com/ Now showing: The incursion situation |
Blount Apol
Union of Protectorates
0
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Posted - 2012.04.06 12:32:00 -
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lol fourm troll wrote:Devan Reale wrote:Jesus Christ, why can't you people just let it go?
You don't like BPOs? Man up and buy some PLEX, convert to ISK, pay for BPOs, and Trash them. Problem solved.
But no, you have to DEMAND that people play the game YOUR way. Get the f*ck over it. Yeah what she said!!!!!!!!!
Agreed!!!!! |
Eva Volkova
nXo Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.04.06 12:44:00 -
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Gravecall wrote:So let see, basically T2 BPOs should be removed because not everyone has one and they cost more than some noob can afford?
Thats not the problem. Was a broken mechanic and CPP changed it. And nowdays we cant compete.
Colector ships are destroyed by use but BPO t2 never expire and thats wrong.
If BPO T2 are good lets have it again. If its wrong lets remove it. Not for one player you can have it and for other you cant.
- Removal - Make BPO - BPCs with x runs - Make BPO T2 default me -25 / -50 so they are more expensive than invention. - Reintroduce BPO T2 (lottery / invention chance etc)
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