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Kaikka Carel
White syndicate BattleStar Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.06 12:08:00 -
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1. D-scan has a limited range but we are left with a "type-in-box" to set it. Why not add a slider like with the angle?
2. If D-scan is capable of what it's capable why there is no radar instead?
I mean there's already a mechanic which determines how it's difficult to probe a ship down. Why not apply the same mechanic to that radar. You could make its strength decrease with distance and angle and tie it to targets signature/sensor strength. This could span a whole new trend of stealth ships along with cloacked.
Example: a 360 degree max range radar will show smaller/stealthier ships if they're close enough. And big-ships(BS/Caps) respectively at almost all ranges. At the same time a low angle would allow to see small/stealth ships and greater distances but naturally you have to know where to look.
Honestly: why the d-scan resembles an ancient DOS programme rather than a nice GUI software?
More examples: Assuming that less signature and less sensor strength equal lesser range at which radar shows the target frigates would be awesome at stealth. Maraduers in this regard would be more preferable than their BS couterparts in lowsec/nullsec/WH as they would be more difficult to locate. Ie their weakness becomes a strength. |
Saktor Maet
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.06 12:59:00 -
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Stealth Stealth Whine thread |
Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
165
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Posted - 2012.04.06 16:43:00 -
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D-scan is a multispectral scan. Read up on the fluff before whining.
Also, stealthy is STEALTHY. Look THAT up, too. You don't think spaceships wouldn't be covered in radar absorbent materials? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:10:00 -
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Saktor Maet wrote:Stealth Stealth Whine thread Mind. Blown.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Daphny Naarma
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:58:00 -
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Reason why a slider would be worse than typing is that you'd need a VERY wide slider to get the resolution nescessary to decide range to a ship you are scanning down. Bad idea. |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
4
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:10:00 -
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The slider's not a bad idea (though in addition to would be better than replacing the typed set box since you still need to make fine adjustments at times).
As for d-scan needing a "miss chance", no. Its utility is already balanced by the fact that you cannot warp to things you locate with D-scan, so no one can use it to find your sites/safe spots/etc. It's also balanced by its reliance on reported ship name rather than signatures, which can be changed in-flight and the fact that you have to actually move your ship to use it fully. |
Kasutra
Tailor Company
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:58:00 -
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Adding slider (with auto-update on the input field), ok, changing mechanics, no. |
Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
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Posted - 2012.04.07 19:58:00 -
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Kasutra wrote:Adding slider (with auto-update on the input field), ok, changing mechanics, no.
Agreed. Also, a visual representation of what area on your screen you're scanning, ie. a little circle for 5% and 15% and so on, would be good. If you've ever used the d-scanner you know what I'm talking about.
MickeyFinn > Fyi Vaurion Infara is a bad apple in a bunch of good ones. Dont let his big mouth and moods bring you down! If anyone lives near him RL get him LAID! would help him a ton. Fly safe and gods speed. |
konflict1
Ksatra Varuna Talocan United
0
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Posted - 2012.04.07 20:24:00 -
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dscan is a tool from DOS era. powerful but far from being user friendly. it should be replaced by something more sexy |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2012.04.07 20:33:00 -
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konflict1 wrote:dscan is a tool from DOS era. powerful but far from being user friendly. it should be replaced by something more sexy and 1/1000000th of the functionality? [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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Addrake
Origin. Black Legion.
23
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Posted - 2012.04.07 22:26:00 -
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The current D-scan tool is awesome. You can shrink your resolution to however low you want it, within 2,147,483,647 km. Think about it like this..
Currently there are several systems in 0.0 where the stations literally sit right next to moon's w/ staging pos's. If you no longer have the ability to set a very fine resolution to the range, and instead have to use a slider, you can't set it to 999,000 km (assuming lets say the staging pos is at 1 million kilometers) and then know immediately when the enemy fleet has initiated warp into you. With a sliding bar, you're going to get some sort of incremental change in kilometers for every millimeter the slider moves and thus you don't have as much control over setting ranges which can be a very bad thing.
I'm not against having a slider there, so long as they don't remove the ability to input range values manually. Make it easier for everyone to use but don't take away the current functionality. |
Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
17
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Posted - 2012.04.08 00:43:00 -
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My understanding is that pinging d-scan = server load so it's deliberately bad to reduce server load. |
YuuKnow
The Long Kiss Goodnight
178
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Posted - 2012.04.08 13:06:00 -
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Dscan should have a slider yes. It should also have an option to display distance in AUs (maybe in parentesis) |
Vito Antonio
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.08 19:00:00 -
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Eve should just have a minimap like other successful mmos. |
Chicken Pizza
Penumbra Institute
43
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Posted - 2012.04.08 19:21:00 -
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konflict1 wrote:dscan is a tool from DOS era. powerful but far from being user friendly. it should be replaced by something more sexy
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Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.04.08 20:19:00 -
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Daphny Naarma wrote:Reason why a slider would be worse than typing is that you'd need a VERY wide slider to get the resolution nescessary to decide range to a ship you are scanning down. Bad idea.
You are assuming that it has to be linear scale. How about Logarithmic scale?
PS.
Slider is good, but it doesn't mean they have to remove box for manual input.
...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |
Astroniomix
EliteTroll
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Posted - 2012.04.08 22:15:00 -
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Annie Anomie wrote:My understanding is that pinging d-scan = server load so it's deliberately bad to reduce server load. You can only "ping" the d-scan once every server tick. It would take an enormous amount of players all constantly pinging on the same node in order to have any noticeable effect on performance. |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
233
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Posted - 2012.04.08 23:58:00 -
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You need to be able to type in so you can set it to, say, 10`000 to scan between mission gates or a particular range to check which size to set your probes for a quick warp-in.
Whilst you probably think a slider would be cool in reality the precision of the input box is extremely useful. If you're in a player corp then war-dec is just something you have to accept is coming with it, regardless of your play-style. ~CCP |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2012.04.09 06:37:00 -
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Vito Antonio wrote:Eve should just have a minimap like successful mmos.
Fixed for you ! |
Crellion
Parental Control
8
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Posted - 2012.04.09 06:43:00 -
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konflict1 wrote:dscan is a tool from DOS era. powerful but far from being user friendly. it should be replaced by something more sexy
You deserve ambulation, walking in stations and watching the news on your sofa. Please let us archaic types do the actual ship flying and I ll give you a monocle a pair of boots and 15 day trial to Twilight Online. |
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Nura Taron
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.10 01:26:00 -
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Kaikka Carel wrote:2. If D-scan is capable of what it's capable why there is no radar instead? There was, but it got removed. No idea why. |
TkAlligator38
Kotodama Corp
5
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Posted - 2012.04.10 09:30:00 -
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Vaurion Infara wrote:Kasutra wrote:Adding slider (with auto-update on the input field), ok, changing mechanics, no. Agreed. Also, a visual representation of what area on your screen you're scanning, ie. a little circle for 5% and 15% and so on, would be good. If you've ever used the d-scanner you know what I'm talking about.
I agree, let's make it too easy and obvious instead of using our own brain. |
Kaikka Carel
White syndicate BattleStar Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.04.10 11:51:00 -
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GUI replaces brains? Since then? |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
455
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Posted - 2012.04.10 18:14:00 -
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It is SO easy to find things with Dscan once you have mastered it.
Its one of those rare things in game where you don't need an in game skill for it, but it takes a lot of figurin' out. Since I have already figured it out on my own through trial and error, I would be pissed if they introduced some skill that a nub could train to l5 and then be as good at dscan as me. I AM ******* PISSED OFF THAT EVE WILL NOT RUN ON MY COMMODORE 64. **** THAT **** I QUIT. take all my isk for 1 trit. |
Numbness
Southern Cross Incorporated Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:06:00 -
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Quote:Agreed. Also, a visual representation of what area on your screen you're scanning, ie. a little circle for 5% and 15% and so on, would be good. If you've ever used the d-scanner you know what I'm talking about.
Press F11 little solar system map at the bottom gives you this functionality. It also gives you a mini map for those who were talking about it. I could see how a quick slider for something like 1,2,4,6,8,10,12,14 AU would be reasonably handy. Leave the manual input box alone though. |
Maluscious Melody
Frequent Moose Frequent Moose and Friends
15
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:59:00 -
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If you want a small 1 inch slider to represent any range from 1km to (approx) 21 billion km then be my guest. Personally, I'd rather just type the number in myself based on what I need it for.
Also, leave my D-Scan alone you ****.
FAKE EDIT: Please bring back the small system map that used to be on the D-Scanner CCP. Having to rock around with the F11 minimap sidebar open whilst D-Scanning is a pain in the arse. You removed it when solar system view came in, and yet I still don't use Solar System view because it reduces my spatial awareness when I'm in the middle of a hostile system trying to scan some **** down at a moon. That is all.
REAL EDIT: Also, why can't I hold down the alt key and have an icon appear for all the moons anymore? (been gone a while) |
John Nucleus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:27:00 -
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Keep the input text box Add a slider Add 5 customizable presets buttons ( angle + distance ) Extract minimap from F11 so you can have it anywhere on screen Add a shortcut to activate the D-scan
Welcome in 2012
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Haoibuni
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
6
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Posted - 2012.04.11 23:57:00 -
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As others have said, have both the input field and a slider and some presets.
"Take off the 21 add a 7" etc and spamming "9's" to max it again is just a chore.
New idea: Add an option to dynamically only show brackets in space that are within the range you have set on your d-scan.
This would help / speed up locating targets without dumbing it down.
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