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Smilla Snow
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Posted - 2008.11.19 10:58:00 -
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I dont know you - but my time is to expensive to mine with only one ship. The same with mission - No. 1 kills the rat and No. 2 does the salvage.
As long as its not a Macrominer, then i dont care how many accounts one player have. Its better to have it open, then try to do some restrictions that wont work (like just one client per PC - you can buy two PC, use VMs..)
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McFly
C0LDFIRE
RUDE Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.19 13:13:00 -
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Besides this being completely derailed.....
u guys do realize that if u cut all the mining alts out of eve, there wouldn't be a lot of mining going on. And what happens when the Mineral Supply dries up? Oh that's right, prices soar and no one can build anything... Everyone starts trying to mine themselves but an abaddon with 8 lasers just doesn't cut it...
We play a game in an economy dependant on the current status quo of minerals being mined. If the OP had his way I would guess based on experience Mineral Supply would be cut down 55-65%. I say that becuase a lot of people like me have a maxed out Mining Director, If I can only run one account, it would have to be a hulk and not a command ship/orca. I dont mine for my corporation, I mine for my manufacturing. U slow everyone down and prices on everything from ammo, to ships will soar, people will actually be doing missions for the ammo that drops.
In all honesty the eve economy is too dependant on the flow of minerals at it's current volume being moved.
 Originally by: Chrono Homega
You don't need 5 or 6 accounts for running level 4 missions. Why miners do?
Because mining isn't about making isk for most people. It's about getting the resources for manufacturing which makes them isk. And if you manufacture a lot of stuff, and dont like to pay for trit when u can mine it, multiple accounts is the same as blobbing, the more mining lasers the better.
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Darken Vortex
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Posted - 2008.11.19 14:30:00 -
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If CCP takes away from the miners then they need to take away from the  missioners also! I started with 1 acct and now I'm upto 3, & after the first of the year I'll probly have 4. I can run 3 with no problems and I've mined that way. I aint saying there aint no macro miners out there but, you must be buying all your **** from only NPC's but I doubt it.
With 1 miner cant mine enough ore to keep up with the making of anything that's in EVE. Thats why alot of us are going to several acct's, I know I've tried and cant so I got 2 mining accts and 1 hauler.
All I'm saying is if they are going to mess with us miners, they also need to stick it to the  missioners also. |
MarieFrance Tessier
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Posted - 2008.11.19 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Heyte
Edited by: Heyte on 14/11/2008 22:27:40
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CCP needs to prevent multiple logins on the same comp.
They already do, as far as I know.
Originally by: Enor Sabien
This thread should be locked for stupid content.
Seconded.
That's pretty funny.
Seriously though, there are tons of legit uses for multiple logins from the same computer. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.20 03:24:00 -
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I have to interject here.. The trouble seems to be that everyone defines their terms differently.. the topic itself "macromining" is charged but means different things to different people. To some macromining is synonymous with AFK mining. To others and apparently the op in this case, macromining means using more than one account at the same time. To still others macrominers are parties who collect game resources for sale outside the game.
Now, CCP has already said there is nothing wrong with having more than one account they actively promote multiboxing for the game. For those that have more than one account and wish to have both accounts logged in at the same time, there is no need to use a macro in any way to mine, to haul, to fight, or even to just hang out in the station and daytrade. If you are spending money on two accounts and you want to mine with both at the same time what's the trouble?
Only one thing that I can see is that it bothers others that are not pulling in the same amount as the two characters you own. This is just the way it is though; no matter who you are there is always someone who will be able to out do you. Heck, if we couldn't have two account there would still be someone with more time and skill making more money than anyone else. I feel like this is not a significant issue.
Then there are those who use macros to afk mine.. or those who harvest for out of game sales. These folks raise my ire and to me are not in the same catagory as multiboxers. The thing that bothers me the most is these folks are not playing the game to enjoy it; the AFKer isn't playing at all. I don't know what can be done to stop these people.. disallowing multi-accounts on the same computer would be usless to fight them.. there are those that have farming sweat shops. In fact, selling isk outside the game doesn't even require a macro of any kind.. just many folk to work for you.
Anyway, I don't aggree with the original poster; how can anyone tell that those 6 ships are being piloted by one person anyway? What, because they don't talk to you? So what. I don't respond to a lot of folk who chat me either. How can you tell that the hulk that is sitting in a belt not mining is being multiboxed? I submit you cannot. Mining is boring at times.. and even I have fallen asleep at the wheel more than once.
So yes something needs to be done to stop out of game sales.. and by all means lets fight against macros that make afk play possible. but I'm afraid you're driving against traffic wanting to stop multiboxing all together. |
Speculative Sally
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Posted - 2008.11.20 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Chrono Homega
Problem -are not- macrominers.
Problem is that CCP allow it
They get banned eventually, but it takes a while first - usually a couple of months. The one entertaining part about this is that they spend a couple of months to train the character up to peak effectiveness and then get teh banstick. For CCP? 2 months Profit!
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Smilla Snow
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Posted - 2008.11.20 13:27:00 -
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well - there is only one definition of "macromining" - when you use a Macro to controll the ships and not doing by yourself. It has nothing to do with multiple accounts.
But i think your right - some pilots maybe dont see the diffrence. |
Smilla Snow
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Posted - 2008.11.20 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Barbara Nichole
Anyway, I don't aggree with the original poster; how can anyone tell that those 6 ships are being piloted by one person anyway? What, because they don't talk to you? So what. I don't respond to a lot of folk who chat me either. How can you tell that the hulk that is sitting in a belt not mining is being multiboxed? I submit you cannot.
last time we killed the "macro" ship and the pod was still moving between station and ice field. - Tha was easy to proof. |
Nikeffo
Caldari
Dead Flesh Corp
Rigor Mortis Mortalis
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Posted - 2008.11.23 12:06:00 -
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I mine with 4 hulks, a tank and a hauler in .0 space, not afk mind you, but still, I don't see anything wrong with it. Oh, and I have a scout a couple of systems out so the gankers can't touch my crew.
Is this a problem? Miners keep pewpew going, and the more minerals that flows the market, the cheaper the ships and mods you all need for DaH FightIn will be!
Stomp!
Nikeffo
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River Maira
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Posted - 2008.11.24 01:15:00 -
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sorry, what issue is there with having multiple accnts. I have two myself, not for running a scout for myself or jamming ship or anything like that. Yes the two accnts interact at times. But really the second one came about because I simply cant train an "alt" while my main keeps doing what it's supposed to, and yes, i'm more willing to pay an extra subscription a month than reduce the training time on my main character (which as we know, not only can take months, but years for long term plans) for a little side affair for a couple hours a week.
Also yes, i realize i'm playing an mmo, but I am not a terribly social person, I do not make friends easily at all. Finding someone to play with, that isn't going to grate on my nerves tomorrow is not an easy thing for me to do, so for the rare occasion I do need a little hand I do have it. But for the most part the interaction is limited to building my ammo and finding a site. Being able to experience the combat side of eve AND the industrial/production side w/o having to in effect double my precious training time is worth the extra subscription to me.
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