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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2008.11.15 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Ocih I need to ask.. wtf are you *****ing about again??
I like to *****. But mainly im *****ing about not having access to pirate mission agents because of the bad sec status. With no way of recovering. Empire standing is repairable. If you do missions for amarr for example. You're minnie standing is hurt pretty badly. On the otherhand you can find some other faction who is good friends with minnie and virtually neutral to amarr. This way you dont ruin your amarr standings but you improve minnie standings. Eventually returning them to ok levels.
Sansha-Bloods-etc are all pirate groups who heavily hurt your empire and sec status and literally isnt repairable in that way.
So far everything but missions you complained about doing in 0.0 ( or not being able to ) i can do in 0.0. as for the blob warfare im in a decent size alliance but we dont blob warfare and as far as i can remember we have not been attacked by any blobs at least in the last few months. Unless of course you call 5-10 man gangs blobs. their are alot of unowned systems even in my region of space and their are a few alliances that share that region.
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Belmarduk
Amarr M.A.R.S. Enterprises Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.15 12:33:00 -
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Lets introduce Concord in 0.0 and make it only possible for another player to attack you there if you concence with a duell. Also all items should be in "bank" You put something in 1.0 and can take it out safley again somewhere in 0.0 . I also think we need all items to be bound to there owner so that you can never lose any stuff. |
Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.11.15 12:47:00 -
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I haven't tried it yet, but I'm pretty sure a Blockade Runner post-Quantum Rise would be quite successful at making regular runs across the border.
With two Expander IIs and a pair of T1 Cargo Rigs, you can pull 9400m3 around with the near flexibility of a Covops Frigate. |
Sila Fang
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.15 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
Quote: Yeah you're right, it's impossible to survive there. Don't go.
Evidently this is true. Also why nobody is moving to 0.0
So I guess we can pretty much stop trying to move carebears into 0.0
Quote: 1. Logistics does not require a jump freighter, simply patience, scouting and lots of planning. Yeah, capitals make it easier, but not THAT easy. Besides, you need two toons for them.
Oh I know. Pretty damn different from high sec.
Quote: 2. Lots of 0.0 is also fairly quiet, and lots of local alliances tend to be heavy in one major time zone. Again, scout, observe, plan accordingly.
I kind of drift through all time zones. So not a giant issue.
Quote: 3. Mining in 0.0 isn't worth it until your a member of a corporation with access to a station, which also means a member of an alliance. Solo mining ops in 0.0 tend to be bigtime losing propositions.
I've been mining in 0.0 before. Kind of beside the point because mining isnt something I'm looking to do in 0.0.
Quote: 4. Not entirely true. Gatecamps happen, yes, but this goes back to scouting and preparation. Its half right to say you will run into a gatecamp, its utterly inaccurate to say you will always run into them.
When you hit 1-3 choke points of player sovereign space. The chances of gatecamp killing you is significant.
Quote: 5. If you're a mission runner, there are Social skills that can compensate for negative standings with 0.0 factions. Look'em up.
This is true but they are so far from effective. -2 faction is the cutoff typically. Most mission runners have -10 with pirate factions essentially by default.
1- I myslef have moved to 0.0, and i know alot of people who have made the move. if you are part of a corp/allaiance with residency deals, the move is very easy and painless.
2- Why do you have to concern yourself with logisrtsics? i live off the local market, and a few occaisional cov ops rune from empire. Unless you want your own POS for some reason, logistics is not really that hard, and odes not require a jump freighter. blockade runners do quite well now i blieve, quite safe.
3- There ARE other ways of making money than mining. Rattingfor example. Or even mining as a team. And if you dont plan to mine, why even mention it?
4- i have never been killed by a 0.0 gatecamp, even though i move between empire and 0.0 quite often. I have seen them very rarely 2 actually, one i got out of in my cov ops, the other one was not hostile to me.
5- Well thats your own silly fault for running a billion lvl4s. Your choices have consequences, live with it. Its not that hard to live with even, just go ratting instead, makes as much money as lvl4s. There is more to eve than mining and missions.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.11.15 13:40:00 -
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Quote: 1- I myslef have moved to 0.0, and i know alot of people who have made the move. if you are part of a corp/allaiance with residency deals, the move is very easy and painless.
I understand this. Currently though I'm solo. So ideally I could find my way to the 0.0 area. I'm sure I could get to the areas... but as others say... they arent going to roll out the welcoming mat for me.
Quote: 2- Why do you have to concern yourself with logisrtsics? i live off the local market, and a few occaisional cov ops rune from empire.
Well lets say you run missions for pirate factions... their lp transfers into implants and ships. Which is some of the best way to earn lots of isk in 0.0. but you kind of have to have logistics to earn that isk. Having you a cov-op ship full of high grade slave-snake-crystal implants is an aweful big target.
Quote: Unless you want your own POS for some reason,
No. Not an issue.
Quote: logistics is not really that hard, and odes not require a jump freighter. blockade runners do quite well now i blieve, quite safe.
That's quite a gamble. While there's lots of 0.0 which is 10 odd jumps from high sec easy...
Not exactly something I want happening.
Quote: 3- There ARE other ways of making money than mining. Rattingfor example. Or even mining as a team. And if you dont plan to mine, why even mention it?
Because I know it would be mentioned.
Quote: 5- Well thats your own silly fault for running a billion lvl4s. Your choices have consequences, live with it. Its not that hard to live with even, just go ratting instead, makes as much money as lvl4s. There is more to eve than mining and missions.
this is true... but it still stands as a point against going to 0.0 yes it is a consequence... but if ccp wants me and others to move to 0.0... this is standing in the way. The consequences essentially force us to stay where we are. Unless player sovereign 0.0 is an option. ------------------------ Have you fed your slaves recently? -BRB Rens |
Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.11.15 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids Edited by: MooKids on 15/11/2008 03:39:44 Do you seriously know what a pirate is? They are criminals, enemies of the state, and terrorists. Of course if you go work for them your sec status is going to drop, because you are working for a faction that actively BREAKS THE LAW!
Besides, you could always go ratting to bring up your sec status.
I think this has to be a troll post.
Actually they arent really like terrorists so much as they are hostile sovereign nations. Kind of USA vs Pakistan kind of deal. Being a soldier for the USA doesnt necessarily make you hostile to pakistan. ------------------------ Have you fed your slaves recently? -BRB Rens |
Gunner Tootall
AscendoTech Research and Development
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Posted - 2008.11.15 15:49:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: 2- Why do you have to concern yourself with logisrtsics? i live off the local market, and a few occaisional cov ops rune from empire.
Well lets say you run missions for pirate factions... their lp transfers into implants and ships. Which is some of the best way to earn lots of isk in 0.0. but you kind of have to have logistics to earn that isk. Having you a cov-op ship full of high grade slave-snake-crystal implants is an aweful big target.
Do you understand that if you are in a covert ops ship then it's nearly impossible to even be seen let alone have your cargo scanned and a gang chasing after you??
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.11.15 16:10:00 -
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What a weird thread, I am confused as to what the OP is bothered about. At least he's not hysterical nor particularly stupid :)
First, logistics. Don't bother. You say first the a jump freighter is 4b, then later you say you only need logistics for getting LP rewards out. In either case a blockade runner with a covops cloak fitted is basically uncatchable. Practise on SiSi for a while if you have to. I would be perfectly happy taking several billions in cargo through almost *any* 0.0 in a BR since the latest patch. Even better, redeem your LP for implants only and do the run to empire in a covops frigate. Untouchable.
Second, if you want to run missions then all you need is one mission-running ship. I have belonged to a few nullsec alliances and there is no way you would have trouble getting one battleship moved out for you, or get an escort so you can fly it yourself, or as a last resort arrange with someone to make sure there's a ship there you can buy with fittings. You do not need your entire asset list in 0.0 with you.
When you join an alliance they will be expecting you to have stuff that needs moving. it's not a problem.
You know, what seems to be the problem really is that you just can't quite make yourself do it. Sounds like you are extremely risk-averse. In Eve that's often a positive thing but in this case you have reached a point where you just have to do it. Talk to one of these alliances you know through another forum and just do it.
Stop trying to come up with reasons why you can't.
Also, re the standings: You are just going to have to deal with it. When you get to your destination, find another mission runner in your corp and gang with them to get standings with the pirate faction quicker. Resign yourself to a few weeks of re-grinding standings with empire factions if you ever return. I'm pretty sure you won't. Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too. |
Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2008.11.15 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards 1. Logistics are often very very hard. 4 billion isk for jump freighter. Doable with friends, but what friends are following you out there? 2. Most areas of 0.0 have locals. Who are friendly and would let you move in; but you just cant show up saying you're moving there. Paranoia is powerful. 3. 0.0 ore often isnt worth your time. Entire regions of 0.0 often have nothing better then gneiss. gneiss mining is meh. Any interruptions, such as hostiles in system hurts you isk/hr enough to make it not so worth it. 4. You essentially cant get out to 0.0 without hitting some highway gatecamp. Titan jump portals are hard to come by. 5. Finally; the faction standing with pirate factions have been destroyed to where you cannot do missions for them; no way of ever recovering from the standing.
and even if you did... you destroy your empire standings; which I dont want to do.
Inexpirence.
Getting out to 00 is easy and safe. Moving a FT? Scouts and a small fleet. Moving crap? Blockade runner or a sigil loaded up with nano's and stabs. I've done dozens of deep 00-emp runs and I've lost nothing. Do it in the AM of US time zone and there wont be a soul on.
Only gate camps are at entry systems. Everything else is just temporary roaming gangs hanging out at a choke point...and all those can be avoided by using the intel channels your parent alliance/landlord assigns you AND using scan/warp stabs.
LIngering hostiles in systems only linger, they dont really effect your total ISK.
Finally, for the love of god, is adding a bit of risk SO FRICKIN BAD??? What's wrong with a little thrill? You allergic to action or something?
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.11.15 16:53:00 -
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Quote: Do you understand that if you are in a covert ops ship then it's nearly impossible to even be seen let alone have your cargo scanned and a gang chasing after you??
Oh yes, my helios before it got ugly has seen lots of low sec action. I havent been to 0.0 in a helios but I suspect a little bit more difficulty due to bubbles and existence of small nano ships; frankly though... I know... I can get in and out fairly easy.
Quote: What a weird thread, I am confused as to what the OP is bothered about. At least he's not hysterical nor particularly stupid :)
I'll try harder.
Quote: I would be perfectly happy taking several billions in cargo through almost *any* 0.0 in a BR since the latest patch. Even better, redeem your LP for implants only and do the run to empire in a covops frigate. Untouchable.
Oh boy. did you notice the goon killmail I posted? Rapier with cov-op dieing. Oh man that'd be pretty bad day to have.
Quote: Second, if you want to run missions then all you need is one mission-running ship. I have belonged to a few nullsec alliances and there is no way you would have trouble getting one battleship moved out for you, or get an escort so you can fly it yourself, or as a last resort arrange with someone to make sure there's a ship there you can buy with fittings. You do not need your entire asset list in 0.0 with you.
I understand completely. Getting stuff to the place wouldnt be an issue tbh. It's the very valuable stuff going back to empire.
This tbh isnt that much of an issue.
Quote: You know, what seems to be the problem really is that you just can't quite make yourself do it.Sounds like you are extremely risk-averse.
TBH. I would go out without issue. I would even just show up looking to join. Before I posted the thread, I went to the space on sisi and checked and the lvl 1 -19 agents arent available. I'd heard rumours that you could at any time and go out there to do lvl 1 courier missions even with horrible standings; despite what the corp-agent list says. *Wasnt true if anyone cares*
Quote: Also, re the standings: You are just going to have to deal with it. When you get to your destination, find another mission runner in your corp and gang with them to get standings with the pirate faction quicker.
Hmmmm. Hadn't thought of that; but to be honest... that person is taking risk and losing isk to me.
Quote: Resign yourself to a few weeks of re-grinding standings with empire factions if you ever return. I'm pretty sure you won't. Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too.
I'm so close to amarr 2run bs bpc atm. I'm going to grab that. Then I'll move out I think. Or at least go see if I can make friends :) |
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2008.11.15 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: Jason Edwards Tears from the OP
1. Join a corp/alliance. They should have a system of logistics in place
2. Join a corp/alliance. They have standings
3. Join a corp/alliance. with access to nice A/B/C ore
4. Join a corp/alliance. They have standings
5. Rat if you need to NPC. Run complexes or just bite the bullet and try to run pirate faction missions.
If you still can't find it worth your precious time and effort, then simply never go to 0.0.[/quote}
This.
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MooKids
Caldari Dark Echo Engineering
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Posted - 2008.11.16 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards Actually they arent really like terrorists so much as they are hostile sovereign nations. Kind of USA vs Pakistan kind of deal. Being a soldier for the USA doesnt necessarily make you hostile to pakistan.
Um, no, they are very much terrorists. The pirate factions main hobbies include kidnapping, attacking civilian convoys, illegal drugs and other crimes against humanity. Hell, the Blood Raiders don't have their name cause they like a red motif, they DRAIN the BLOOD from their victims! -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Lady Aja
Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.11.16 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Aja on 16/11/2008 03:21:34
Originally by: Jason Edwards TBH. I would go out without issue. I would even just show up looking to join. Before I posted the thread, I went to the space on sisi and checked and the lvl 1 -19 agents arent available. I'd heard rumours that you could at any time and go out there to do lvl 1 courier missions even with horrible standings; despite what the corp-agent list says. *Wasnt true if anyone cares*
depends on what faction youre going to work for.. if youre unmodified standing is less than +5.0 then train up a couple of skills to lvl 5 ( social ) and once you reach less than -2.0 you will be able to work for the lowest agent...
as you have such a "high" standing with amarr. you would be FOOL to mission for sansha, blood and gurista... working for angel cartel will be youre best option. just join FTZ alliance corp and run missions in g-0q86, once you have 7.0 angel cartel standing you will have access to 10 q20 lvl 4 agents in one system. so farming missions in system will be dead easy.
I know this been there done that!! machariel bpc's sell for 850m isk.. halo implants have prolly leaped in price .
but youshould be able to get a mach bpc every week with ease. 400k lp 100m isk..
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Gimpb
Deathwatch Ltd
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Posted - 2008.11.16 04:05:00 -
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The logistics aren't really hard per-se, it just requires a large invenstment of skill points and isk.
It makes characters without the skillpoints for carriers very dependent on other players.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.16 04:09:00 -
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Thanks for this update.
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d'hofren
Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2008.11.16 10:22:00 -
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The thing our darling OP is missing is simple.
If you want safe / good access to 0.0 you need to bring something to the party. No one is going to be happy with you semi solo playing out there. Why? the controlling alliancce is sinking time into running hostiles out of dodge, running sov claiming pos networks, reporting intel, even just paying the alliance up keep fees.
Just posting on a forums saying the game sucks as no one will let you leave the pint but take the cream, well it's daft.
Hang out in some corps public channels, see if they sre the kind of people you could get to like. Make a list of how you can bring value to thier operation, do you scout well? can you pvp? are you willing to contribute to POS upkeep? can you invent and offer mods to alliance fighters at a cheap rate?
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.16 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Malcanis
Seriously, you want him in your alliance?
Bodycount is all that ultimately matters.
A review of the battle reports in and around TVN reveals that this is not wholly true.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.16 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
Quote: Do you understand that if you are in a covert ops ship then it's nearly impossible to even be seen let alone have your cargo scanned and a gang chasing after you??
Oh yes, my helios before it got ugly has seen lots of low sec action. I havent been to 0.0 in a helios but I suspect a little bit more difficulty due to bubbles and existence of small nano ships; frankly though... I know... I can get in and out fairly easy.
Quote: What a weird thread, I am confused as to what the OP is bothered about. At least he's not hysterical nor particularly stupid :)
I'll try harder.
Quote: I would be perfectly happy taking several billions in cargo through almost *any* 0.0 in a BR since the latest patch. Even better, redeem your LP for implants only and do the run to empire in a covops frigate. Untouchable.
Oh boy. did you notice the goon killmail I posted? Rapier with cov-op dieing. Oh man that'd be pretty bad day to have.
Quote: Second, if you want to run missions then all you need is one mission-running ship. I have belonged to a few nullsec alliances and there is no way you would have trouble getting one battleship moved out for you, or get an escort so you can fly it yourself, or as a last resort arrange with someone to make sure there's a ship there you can buy with fittings. You do not need your entire asset list in 0.0 with you.
I understand completely. Getting stuff to the place wouldnt be an issue tbh. It's the very valuable stuff going back to empire.
This tbh isnt that much of an issue.
Quote: You know, what seems to be the problem really is that you just can't quite make yourself do it.Sounds like you are extremely risk-averse.
TBH. I would go out without issue. I would even just show up looking to join. Before I posted the thread, I went to the space on sisi and checked and the lvl 1 -19 agents arent available. I'd heard rumours that you could at any time and go out there to do lvl 1 courier missions even with horrible standings; despite what the corp-agent list says. *Wasnt true if anyone cares*
Quote: Also, re the standings: You are just going to have to deal with it. When you get to your destination, find another mission runner in your corp and gang with them to get standings with the pirate faction quicker.
Hmmmm. Hadn't thought of that; but to be honest... that person is taking risk and losing isk to me.
Quote: Resign yourself to a few weeks of re-grinding standings with empire factions if you ever return. I'm pretty sure you won't. Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too.
I'm so close to amarr 2run bs bpc atm. I'm going to grab that. Then I'll move out I think. Or at least go see if I can make friends :)
If mission-running in 0.0 is what you really want to do, then you can create an alt with good charisma, and quickly train up social skills (they don't need to be all @ 5) and have the alt talk to the agent for missions while you actually do them. |
Mutabae
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Posted - 2008.11.16 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
I know I'm missing out. I've been burnt by all corps though so far; real tards.
Are you sure it's the corps fault? I wouldn't want you in a corp of mine from what I've seen of your behaviour.
Just sayin'.
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