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Doctor Mahbuse
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Posted - 2008.11.15 11:27:00 -
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Heya, are they worth the training ? How much t2 mining drones are neede to get as much ore/time as from a t2 miner ? I guess there are no modules to increase yield...
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.11.15 13:01:00 -
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Yes. Depends on the distance to the roid. Under optimal conditions they mine 75 per minute per drone. so in total 375m3 per minute. In other words almost as much as a single stripper.
No, but there are rigs. And there are modules to increase their travelspeed, which in practices increases their yield but with a small factor. |
Doctor Mahbuse
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Posted - 2008.11.15 13:57:00 -
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Nice. I guess i'll use the rigs for cargo expanders on my Orca. Will go to a 0.8-1.0 highsec, target one big asteroid with each of my 5 harvester drones and then come back after an hour or so with the orca full of minerals |
Nai Weil
Caldari Tupperware Party
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Posted - 2008.11.15 14:31:00 -
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Can mining drones retarget after an asteroid pops, or will you have to set each one to a separate roid to maximise the time you can go afk for?
You'll also want to avoid 0.8 - only 0.9 and 1.0 are free from little rats who will pop your drones.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.11.15 14:31:00 -
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Thing is, maxing the orca out you'll end up with some yield of say 515m3/minute. With current prices, that equates to just shy of 3 mil an hour.
With 30km3 base capacity you should be able to fit a good 48'768m3 of ore in there with expanders. That means you can - at best, if you find a large rock enough(which honestly is very unlikely, even if you spread the drones on 5 seperate ones) mine for 94 minutes at a time. An approximate gain of 5 mil.
Then you have to head home, empty and go out scouting for new roids again.
Instead, you could grab a bunch of hulks. Put them all with cargo rigs, expanders in low, and mine away. Still using harvesters or t2 mining drones, but 3 strippers on top of that. Now you will have netted the same amount of ore in some 20 minutes. At less cost and with less work between the bulks. And shuold you actually be active with the hulks, mining som ething expensive instead the effect is multiplied. Parrots, commence!
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Doctor Mahbuse
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Posted - 2008.11.15 14:48:00 -
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Ok 3 mil / h doesnt sound seksy, thought that can be increased way over that with gang bonus and such. Guess people will then abuse it as a huge giant sec an, every noob can make a simple macro that drags ore from his mining ship's cargo to a can and then to the cargo of the orca. Or even without macros it will be much easer to mine with several accounts now. Too bad, thought it was a suicidegank-proof afk source of income
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Warrio
Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.15 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Mahbuse Or even without macros it will be much easer to mine with several accounts now.
Imagine that, a mining support vessel in a multiplayer spaceship game which actually helps you to mine in spaceships with multiple players! Almost sounds intentional.
In other news, using the Orca as a hi-sec can is no more an 'abuse' than using the Apoc as a long-range sniper. It's just what it does. As for multi-boxing to mine, that is the nature of the game. |
Dracthera
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Posted - 2008.11.15 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nai Weil Can mining drones retarget after an asteroid pops, or will you have to set each one to a separate roid to maximise the time you can go afk for?
No, one the roid pops the drones return to orbit until you re-assign them manually. There's no 'aggressive' stance for mining drones. |
Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.11.15 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nai Weil Can mining drones retarget after an asteroid pops, or will you have to set each one to a separate roid to maximise the time you can go afk for?
You'll also want to avoid 0.8 - only 0.9 and 1.0 are free from little rats who will pop your drones.
They do not retarget. |
Dracthera
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Posted - 2008.11.15 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Mahbuse Ok 3 mil / h doesnt sound seksy, thought that can be increased way over that with gang bonus and such.
For one thing, you need to be in a gang for bonuses to apply, and at least one member of the gang has to be outside the station in the local system. Secondly, the increases are in the low percent range, so not what I think you might consider 'way over.' |
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Mona X
Caldari Polish Task Forces C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.11.15 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Mona X on 15/11/2008 17:30:35
Originally by: Doctor Mahbuse Ok 3 mil / h doesnt sound seksy, thought that can be increased way over that with gang bonus and such.
They're no gang bonuses, that apply to mining drones. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.11.16 06:46:00 -
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Also, harvesters have low hitpoints. I'd gladly suicide a cheap cruiser with some SBs.
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Woodwraith
Digital assassins G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.16 07:01:00 -
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Miner II's are faster than harvesters, so unless your gonna be on top of all the roids, theyre prbly just as good/better
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Zaknussem
Caldari Intrum Industria
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Posted - 2008.11.16 11:22:00 -
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Not to mention cheaper. If you'll be using Harvesters in an AFK gameplay mode, why not fit the Orca with Faction/Officer mods while you're at it?
I'm not saying that your idea is bad, it just needs a little sharpening around the edges. |
Lady Valory
Caldari Caldari Strike Force
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Posted - 2008.11.16 11:53:00 -
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You all are thinking too small...
There are plenty of spaces in low sec where NO ONE comes for hours and hours... (not to mention dead 0.0)...
Someone figure out the max low sec ORE afk mining...
Then figure out the gneiss, dark ochre, crokite large low sec grav site with a station refinery in system?
How much could you make mining gneiss afk for example... |
Hardtail
Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.16 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Valory You all are thinking too small...
There are plenty of spaces in low sec where NO ONE comes for hours and hours... (not to mention dead 0.0)...
Someone figure out the max low sec ORE afk mining...
Then figure out the gneiss, dark ochre, crokite large low sec grav site with a station refinery in system?
How much could you make mining gneiss afk for example...
This guy is right. How could i not see it before?!?!
please, by all means, lets all park our orcas afk mining in low sec / 0.0 and we'll all be rich!
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Dorky
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Posted - 2008.11.17 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Valory You all are thinking too small...
There are plenty of spaces in low sec where NO ONE comes for hours and hours... (not to mention dead 0.0)...
Someone figure out the max low sec ORE afk mining...
Then figure out the gneiss, dark ochre, crokite large low sec grav site with a station refinery in system?
How much could you make mining gneiss afk for example...
I've done some calculations. I have found the highest isk per hour ore in low sec... Are you ready? Here it is... IT'S VELDSPAR! Yea, really... Who in their right mind would mine in low sec? |
Vietone
Gallente Mercury Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.17 17:05:00 -
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You are all looking at this the wrong way.
For one, would it be worth using an Orca for mining? Fact is, its expensive and would take ages to recoupe the costs of an orca even after the price drops to low profits for builders.
You would be better off using a covetor or Hulk for mining. Just fly to roid, target all 3 strip miners and go away for 10 minutes to return with 17km3 of ore. Thats with my skills anyway.
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Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.17 17:34:00 -
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What rigs would you put on the orca?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.17 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Andraine What rigs would you put on the orca?
Cargohold Optimization II's of course - or if you're not into the cargo stuff - Drone Mining Augmentor II's. |
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.17 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Vietone You are all looking at this the wrong way.
For one, would it be worth using an Orca for mining? Fact is, its expensive and would take ages to recoupe the costs of an orca even after the price drops to low profits for builders.
You would be better off using a covetor or Hulk for mining. Just fly to roid, target all 3 strip miners and go away for 10 minutes to return with 17km3 of ore. Thats with my skills anyway.
Or to your empty wreck cause a 'tard had a bad day and killed it with his fully insured t1 fitted raven. |
Lady Irulan
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.17 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Andraine What rigs would you put on the orca?
Cargohold Optimization II's of course - or if you're not into the cargo stuff - Drone Mining Augmentor II's.
See, I have the orca sitting in my hanger and both sets of rigs...........Which to choose! I really have no idea. |
Morcam
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Posted - 2008.11.17 22:16:00 -
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By my 30 second calculations, it would take you about 183 hours of straight mining in a perfect world to recoupe your losses from buying the orca with the harvester drones. If you honestly think that's worth it, go for it. Remember that your asteroids are going to pop long, long before you get even remotely close to filling your hold. You might as well just use a hulk, pay far, far less, and make 3-4x as much, even if you mine as afk as the orca. Also, if someone pops even one of your harvester drones for the lulz, you're going to be around for a while. Heck, if I saw an orca afk mining with harvester drones in 1.0 sec, I would pop one. |
Lady Irulan
Coded Arms Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.17 22:59:00 -
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Well i don't plan on using it solo! So I guess I'll use the cargo ones |
Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.18 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden Also, harvesters have low hitpoints. I'd gladly suicide a cheap cruiser with some SBs.
This. When you're talking upwards of 100,000,000.00 ISK for a set of 5 Harvester Drones, it'll hurt the person who loses the Drones much more than the person who loses the security status for destroying them. |
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