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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Seal Team 6
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:08:00 -
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I am thinking about selling my set of Command ship BPO's (Field Command).
I am not decided on selling them at this time, but I do want to see how tempted I can be.
Feel free to post offers if you wish or if you feel you can give me a good idea on how much I can expect, you are welcome to do so.
I would prefer if you do not mail me offers, as this is an alt character only.
Ship BPOs:
Sleipnir Absolution Nighthawk Astarte
I would prefer to sell them together. The ME and PE of each BPO is outstanding, much above what is considered basic (not able to log on and get the exact details right now, but again, this is just an interest check).
If you must know the reason for the potential sale, well, had these so long now that I kind of want to retire from all manufacturing.
Anyways, once again, post offers, price estimates, bumps or just to say hi.
If you insist on evemailing an offer, at least post that you have evemailed me. |
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer DUCT TAPE UNION
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:44:00 -
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@CCP guy thats what your twittering causes! shame on you for making this dude panic sell here. |
ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Seal Team 6
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:18:00 -
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Gatan Hahran wrote:@CCP guy thats what your twittering causes! shame on you for making this dude panic sell here.
Funny guy |
Madam Athena
The Soul Collectors Foundation
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:18:00 -
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Mail sent |
Singers
Phantom Squad Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:25:00 -
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what about a 100b isk offer and a titan , or a straight up 200b offer on all of em ? |
ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Seal Team 6
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:29:00 -
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Please keep in mind a couple things guys as these offers come in.
1) I am not going to suggest prices for you, MAKE AN OFFER to tempt me into selling them.
2) The last Sleipnir BPO sold for 233 bil ALONE.
3) You may never find all 4 together in one sale, so don't expect a bulk discount. |
Singers
Phantom Squad Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:32:00 -
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that also includes the nerf thingy comming up , and yes , your not alone in having t2 bpos.
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Seal Team 6
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:34:00 -
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Singers wrote:that also includes the nerf thingy comming up , and yes , your not alone in having t2 bpos.
There is no nerf thingy coming up on T2 BPOs. If you want to believe that, leave your bid as is. |
Singers
Phantom Squad Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:38:00 -
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didnt say all t2 bpos , but whateva , my bid is my bid ...
else gl on your stuff and what not. |
Herja
Xanadu
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:54:00 -
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Singers wrote:that also includes the nerf thingy comming up , and yes , your not alone in having t2 bpos.
Which nerf thing? |
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Seal Team 6
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Posted - 2012.04.06 21:00:00 -
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Herja wrote:Singers wrote:that also includes the nerf thingy comming up , and yes , your not alone in having t2 bpos.
Which nerf thing?
There isn't one. People trying to drive the price down. Only thing that has come from CCP recently about T2 BPO's were twitter posts found here:
https://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagoras
Just stats on t2 bpo usage vs invention. |
ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Seal Team 6
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Posted - 2012.04.08 00:45:00 -
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Bump.
Still checking for interest. |
rookies pod
THE BLACK RAGE THE UNTHINKABLES
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Posted - 2012.04.08 00:51:00 -
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2) The last Sleipnir BPO sold for 233 bil Alone
Not entirely true. I lost that run to Jess for 232.5 bil
Good Luck with the sale
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Seal Team 6
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Posted - 2012.04.09 17:58:00 -
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Bump |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.09 19:13:00 -
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rookies pod wrote:2) The last Sleipnir BPO sold for 233 bil Alone Not entirely true. I lost that run to Jess for 232.5 bil Good Luck with the sale
not that its worth close to that anymore...I think the print got sold when the profit of it was way above average, based on the 9 bil/year u make I'd rather say 100b max.
My Offers: 90bn Aboslution BPO 45bn Astarte BPO 95bn Sleipnir BPO
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Seal Team 6
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Posted - 2012.04.09 21:01:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:rookies pod wrote:2) The last Sleipnir BPO sold for 233 bil Alone Not entirely true. I lost that run to Jess for 232.5 bil Good Luck with the sale not that its worth close to that anymore...I think the print got sold when the profit of it was way above average, based on the 9 bil/year u make I'd rather say 100b max. My Offers: 90bn Aboslution BPO 45bn Astarte BPO 95bn Sleipnir BPO
Uh, no, 233bil was only 4 months ago. Nothing has changed since then expect perhaps people don't think i'm serious about selling so they aren't bothering posting offers. |
Sura Kim
3Ra Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.09 21:07:00 -
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I am not bidding, but I'd be willing to pay 100b for either Absolution or Nighthawk. Maybe slightly less for Nighthawk. You don't see many using commandships in general anymore.
Rookie Pod is on spot on pricing except for Sleipnir. Don't think it'd be 200b+ now. though. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.10 00:43:00 -
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve wrote: Uh, no, 233bil was only 4 months ago. Nothing has changed since then expect perhaps people don't think i'm serious about selling so they aren't bothering posting offers.
http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Sleipnir+Blueprint&ML=10&PL=5&F60=1&P=1
back when the Blueprint got sold, profit you could make with it was over 30B a year irrc, now its not even half of that, so it is kindoff a difference now. Not that its a bad bpo,atm. it's just not that much of a high-end BPO like Hulk, Mackinaw, Sabre etc. |
ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Seal Team 6
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Posted - 2012.04.10 03:54:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:ThereAreNoBugsInEve wrote: Uh, no, 233bil was only 4 months ago. Nothing has changed since then expect perhaps people don't think i'm serious about selling so they aren't bothering posting offers.
http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Sleipnir+Blueprint&ML=10&PL=5&F60=1&P=1back when the Blueprint got sold, profit you could make with it was over 30B a year irrc, now its not even half of that, so it is kindoff a difference now. Not that its a bad bpo,atm. it's just not that much of a high-end BPO like Hulk, Mackinaw, Sabre etc.
You're arguing this with the guy that's been building them for years. It didn't make anymore in December than it is now. Hell, check market history for sales. Buying a T2 BPO has never been about how much it makes to justify the price. Its an icon that provides residual income and retains its value over time. Anything under 200 for the sleipnir bpo would be stupid for me to sell, I'd rather keep it.
In fact, thus far all everyone has done is convinced me to keep them. Funny how the game supposedly has so much isk in it right now but no one wants to spend it. |
Herja
Xanadu
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Posted - 2012.04.10 08:50:00 -
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:ThereAreNoBugsInEve wrote: Uh, no, 233bil was only 4 months ago. Nothing has changed since then expect perhaps people don't think i'm serious about selling so they aren't bothering posting offers.
http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Sleipnir+Blueprint&ML=10&PL=5&F60=1&P=1back when the Blueprint got sold, profit you could make with it was over 30B a year irrc, now its not even half of that, so it is kindoff a difference now. Not that its a bad bpo,atm. it's just not that much of a high-end BPO like Hulk, Mackinaw, Sabre etc. You're arguing this with the guy that's been building them for years. It didn't make anymore in December than it is now. Hell, check market history for sales. Buying a T2 BPO has never been about how much it makes to justify the price. Its an icon that provides residual income and retains its value over time. Anything under 200 for the sleipnir bpo would be stupid for me to sell, I'd rather keep it. In fact, thus far all everyone has done is convinced me to keep them. Funny how the game supposedly has so much isk in it right now but no one wants to spend it.
To correct you, the price for t2 bpo IS measured on the profit per year for years already. People don't pay 200b for the Sleipnir bpo because it a nice item, they paid so much because the profit per year was that high. The exception are BPOs which do only a bit profit or even negative profit (hello astarte bpo). They pay the isk because it is a collector item for them or because they speculate that it will, some day, be worth something. And yes, the game has too much isk in it, and yes people ARE paying way too much isk for t2 bpos, in my opinion. Only because it is a t2 bpo it is not worth 100b+ isk, but some seems to think so...maybe 'worth' is the wrong word, since it is so much worth how people are willing to pay for it, let's use the term 'money printing machine'. Many t2 ship bpos are a waste of time to build. |
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Seal Team 6
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:13:00 -
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Herja wrote:ThereAreNoBugsInEve wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:ThereAreNoBugsInEve wrote: Uh, no, 233bil was only 4 months ago. Nothing has changed since then expect perhaps people don't think i'm serious about selling so they aren't bothering posting offers.
http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Sleipnir+Blueprint&ML=10&PL=5&F60=1&P=1back when the Blueprint got sold, profit you could make with it was over 30B a year irrc, now its not even half of that, so it is kindoff a difference now. Not that its a bad bpo,atm. it's just not that much of a high-end BPO like Hulk, Mackinaw, Sabre etc. You're arguing this with the guy that's been building them for years. It didn't make anymore in December than it is now. Hell, check market history for sales. Buying a T2 BPO has never been about how much it makes to justify the price. Its an icon that provides residual income and retains its value over time. Anything under 200 for the sleipnir bpo would be stupid for me to sell, I'd rather keep it. In fact, thus far all everyone has done is convinced me to keep them. Funny how the game supposedly has so much isk in it right now but no one wants to spend it. To correct you, the price for t2 bpo IS measured on the profit per year for years already. People don't pay 200b for the Sleipnir bpo because it a nice item, they paid so much because the profit per year was that high. The exception are BPOs which do only a bit profit or even negative profit (hello astarte bpo). They pay the isk because it is a collector item for them or because they speculate that it will, some day, be worth something. And yes, the game has too much isk in it, and yes people ARE paying way too much isk for t2 bpos, in my opinion. Only because it is a t2 bpo it is not worth 100b+ isk, but some seems to think so...maybe 'worth' is the wrong word, since it is so much worth how people are willing to pay for it, let's use the term 'money printing machine'. Many t2 ship bpos are a waste of time to build.
While I can agree with the only sense you've made so far, "worth how much people are willing to pay for it"; that is what determines the worth of a bpo, particularly a ship bpo. I'm telling you right now that the sleipnir bpo made NO WHERE NEAR 30 bil a month, as you claim back in December when it was sold. At best, any command ship has made 1.5 bil a month (when not built in 0.0) in the last 2 years. The sleipnir was so popular because of its dominance in the last alliance tournament, which perhaps led to the high price of the bpo. Again though, i'm not selling them if there isn't a buyer than wants to throw tons of isk my way. I'll keep making my profit monthly while my bpos retain or gain value.
End story though, you don't have the isk so stop posting about it. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:25:00 -
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ThereAreNoBugsInEve wrote: Feel free to post offers if you wish or if you feel you can give me a good idea on how much I can expect, you are welcome to do so, If those opinions are fairly unrealistic and make my BPO's look more valuable than they actually are.
fixed it for you
ThereAreNoBugsInEve wrote: I'm telling you right now that the sleipnir bpo made NO WHERE NEAR 30 bil a month,
I am pretty sure nobody said something ridiculous like 30bn per month in this thread. should read again ~carefully~
ThereAreNoBugsInEve wrote:While I can agree with the only sense you've made so far, "worth how much people are willing to pay for it
that is obviously true, but the reason why ppl been ready to pay so much was also that they were thinking they could make a lot of money with it by using the bpo for what its made for, manufaction. |
Anzsi
Peacemarker
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:58:00 -
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Hehe why ppl buying those t2 bpo that hight prices :P
sleipnir was about 43,6mil per ship so you need to sell about 5 275ship when you are got your 230bil isk back on that brint-price.
439 per month if you want make those isk on one year else its take alot more year :P
I could bid 16bil (that much I have in wallet) :D |
ThereAreNoBugsInEve
Seal Team 6
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:04:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:ThereAreNoBugsInEve wrote: Feel free to post offers if you wish or if you feel you can give me a good idea on how much I can expect, you are welcome to do so, If those opinions are fairly unrealistic and make my BPO's look more valuable than they actually are. fixed it for you ThereAreNoBugsInEve wrote: I'm telling you right now that the sleipnir bpo made NO WHERE NEAR 30 bil a month, I am pretty sure nobody said something ridiculous like 30bn per month in this thread. should read again ~carefully~ ThereAreNoBugsInEve wrote:While I can agree with the only sense you've made so far, "worth how much people are willing to pay for it that is obviously true, but the reason why ppl been ready to pay so much was also that they were thinking they could make a lot of money with it by using the bpo for what its made for, manufaction.
I meant 30 bil a year, sorry for the misquote.
Besides that, you're still wrong. No ship BPO has been sold that actually makes a profit in any realistic amount of time.
Again, Take ANY of the command ships, none has made more than 1.5 bil in any given month over the last 2 years, unless you've built them in an upgrades station out in 0.0. At 1.5 bil, the sleipnir BPO would give a profit after 13 years. Hell, lets say I produce ships very poorly and it should have been making upwards of 3 bil a month. The guy that bought it for 233 bil would turn a profit after 6 and a half years. So tell me, why exactly did someone pay 233 bil for the last sleipnir bpo? Got any better ideas? |
Sura Kim
3Ra Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:53:00 -
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For ship bpo, I often owned them because I liked particular ships.
I gradually sold most of my collection over time, but I still retain few of t2 ship bpo I really liked regardless of its profit value.
Mimmatar field commandship has already a better profit margin compared to others, and if a certain buyer feels the urge to own one of possible best ships bpo, he might be willing to pay more.
Personally, I value HAC bpo more than Field commandship bpo.
Not many T2 bpo actually make staggering profit anymore. Most of it have become something of a collector's item. |
Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
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Posted - 2012.04.13 21:06:00 -
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The price I was able to achieve was a combination of (a) pure luck in timing the auction (b) multiple bidders that I assume liquidated assets for the auction and were therefor more willing to place one more bid so they did not liquidate in vain.
I had mine up for a straight 150b buyout for two weeks in our alliance forums. In retrospect, I am glad nobody took it.
The actual profit the print itself is able to achieve is important for pricing it within reasonable limits, yes. Plus a bit more since it frees up slots and allows you to produce other stuff as well. But to achieve a truly outstanding price you need to have the luck to ignite a bidding war. I had that.
I am wishing you the same. |
Logicycle
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.04.13 22:09:00 -
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Mioelnir wrote:The price I was able to achieve was a combination of (a) pure luck in timing the auction (b) multiple bidders that I assume liquidated assets for the auction and were therefor more willing to place one more bid so they did not liquidate in vain.
I had mine up for a straight 150b buyout for two weeks in our alliance forums. In retrospect, I am glad nobody took it.
The actual profit the print itself is able to achieve is important for pricing it within reasonable limits, yes. Plus a bit more since it frees up slots and allows you to produce other stuff as well. But to achieve a truly outstanding price you need to have the luck to ignite a bidding war. I had that.
I am wishing you the same.
I like your logic. |
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