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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.12.04 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic It should really be easy to determine:
1) Did the guy win that much cash? Yes/No? (verified both parties?) 2) Did the guy request full withdrawal? Yes/No? (verified both parties?) 3) Was the withdrawal actioned? Yes/No? (verified API key either party)
But I think the whole gambling ban thing is going to complicate this whole issue, hopefully points 1-3 above will resolve it but I don't like your chances Kaz
Gambling ban? I miss something
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Elder Langley
Langley Trading and Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.04 18:02:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Elder Langley on 04/12/2008 18:03:22 I was thinking the same...
Edit: I hope Ricdic is talking about the accuser asking to be banned from the site.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.04 18:17:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Elder Langley Edit: I hope Ricdic is talking about the accuser asking to be banned from the site.
Correct, what else would I have been talking about? |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.04 18:26:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Ricdic
Originally by: Elder Langley Edit: I hope Ricdic is talking about the accuser asking to be banned from the site.
Correct, what else would I have been talking about?
Slight panic, thought for a minute that poker would be stopped. Where have all the poker players gone, the site seems empty, sigh...
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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.12.04 18:51:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Ricdic
Originally by: Elder Langley Edit: I hope Ricdic is talking about the accuser asking to be banned from the site.
Correct, what else would I have been talking about?
oh you're cruel to make me panic like that lol! Your next poker game, your rake is being doubled!
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Handelsschnucki
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Posted - 2008.12.05 13:50:00 -
[156]
Originally by: cosmoray
Originally by: Ricdic
Originally by: Elder Langley Edit: I hope Ricdic is talking about the accuser asking to be banned from the site.
Correct, what else would I have been talking about?
Slight panic, thought for a minute that poker would be stopped. Where have all the poker players gone, the site seems empty, sigh...
God, that gave me a heart attack too. Imagine ring games might never go up again ...
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Dregek
Pilots Of Honour Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.06 00:14:00 -
[157]
so is this a scam or not?
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.06 00:58:00 -
[158]
Not up yet.
10% for Returning Customers |
Damien Jax
Chaos Faction
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Posted - 2008.12.06 18:47:00 -
[159]
What's the status on this? Seems like we kinda got side tracked here.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.06 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Jax What's the status on this? Seems like we kinda got side tracked here.
Accuser gave me their API information, downloaded it and unfortunately RL issues along with more pressing matters (corp and personal business in game) have caused a delay.
EMF, if you could get in touch with me out of game. |
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.12.08 02:05:00 -
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so what now? we still wai tfor our first pay out.. or did we lose out isk? www.garia.net |
Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.08 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Garia666 so what now? we still wai tfor our first pay out.. or did we lose out isk?
No idea, but a bit of communication given the data that's been aired wouldn't go astray . . . Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . . |
Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.12.08 20:27:00 -
[163]
i recieved corp shares tough.. www.garia.net |
Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.09 00:35:00 -
[164]
So...is Emf ever going to respond in this thread. It's been almost a week and that's adequate enough time to post something other than "Don't worry guys, I'll post something here later" I've seen him log into the game couple of times and during those time in the game, he couldn't bother to come around to this?
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 17:27:00 -
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I've just sent an eve-mail to emf informing him that I believe the majority of investors would be keen on an update, and that it's in everyones interest for him to do so.
Here's hoping he reads said mail and does update us all. Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . . |
CornerStoner
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Posted - 2008.12.10 17:31:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Mickey Simon I've just sent an eve-mail to emf informing him that I believe the majority of investors would be keen on an update, and that it's in everyones interest for him to do so.
Here's hoping he reads said mail and does update us all.
I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Allthough he might have started out with the best intentions I fear this has failed and our investment is a loss. I hope he proves me wrong.
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: CornerStoner I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Allthough he might have started out with the best intentions I fear this has failed and our investment is a loss. I hope he proves me wrong.
To be honest, I don't really mind. What I do mind though, is that the communication throughout this venture has been less than expected, and far from desirable. Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . . |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:08:00 -
[168]
Just updating that unless EMF can explain the following in detail regarding the issue at hand, I'd be writing this off.
Chorizo gave me his API access, figured I'd update with what I see so far. Pretty much just confirming what Ricdic posted in the Event thread.
The Transaction data goes back to the 24th of Nov from which it starts with BakerLucy depositing 150m to Chorizo From there CHorizo deposits more isk totaling 1.6b on the 26th of Nov Banker Lucy then deposits 5.6b to Chorizo on the 27th On the 28th Chorizo then deposits a total of 9.3b in a series of transactions over the course of an hour EMF then transfers 200m to Chorizo on the 29th Chorizo then deposits 1.6b on the 1st of December EMF sends the last transaction in the amount of 1.6b
So reading into this, based on the previous information I had. It would appear that isk was sent, and lost over a period time until the proverbial **** hit the fan on the 1st of December. At which point there is serious contention over that final 1.6b and how it was used what winnings were made off it, etc..
So read into that what you will. Unless EMF can come into this thread and explain what is going on, Im going to write this one off. |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:46:00 -
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This will be annoying if it ends in fail/scam.
I really liked the idea of the casino, but it needed to be run in conjunction with a trusted 3rd party.
Joins low sec POS's level of investment category.
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray This will be annoying if it ends in fail/scam.
Perhaps, but for me personally if it is a failure, it paves the way for me to make my own EVE Casino, and to do it properly.
Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . . |
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:15:00 -
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So anything we can do in the mean time?
if its a scam i dont mind but i would like to know so i can move on. ( And cry like a baby..)
as my 1st investment was a fraud. and as sure will be my last .
www.garia.net |
CornerStoner
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Garia666 So anything we can do in the mean time?
if its a scam i dont mind but i would like to know so i can move on. ( And cry like a baby..)
as my 1st investment was a fraud. and as sure will be my last .
Don't make the mistake of judging everyone by the actions of a few. Investments here can provide you with some nice passive income and they aren't all scams. Everyone here has invested in a scam or two so don't feel alone. Choose carefully and don't ever invest what you don't want to lose.
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Xabier
THE SORORITY CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Xabier on 11/12/2008 16:43:45
Originally by: cosmoray This will be annoying if it ends in fail/scam.
I really liked the idea of the casino, but it needed to be run in conjunction with a trusted 3rd party.
Joins low sec POS's level of investment category.
What I find annoying about the whole thing is issues like this were brought up when EMF was fishing to see if there was interest in the concept.
Clearly he obviously didn't care enough in the first place to listen to the initial feedback.
I guess you won't know if its a scam until he fails to pay dividends as obviously has no intention of posting publicly, also its safe to say that even if he pays a dividend its likely to fail regardless due to the damage caused by loss of trust, this loss of trust has only increased over time due to the lack of communication.
Personally if I were you I'd read back through his posts on this thread and read between the lines.
Xabiers Capital Bond #1
Xabiers Capital Bond #2
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:57:00 -
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Kind of academic to me, as I would of only invested if EMF had taken up Kazzac's offer of running the payment side.
Doesn't matter if Casino is alive or dead now, no one will touch it to play. What money he has left is now gone.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray Kind of academic to me, as I would of only invested if EMF had taken up Kazzac's offer of running the payment side.
Doesn't matter if Casino is alive or dead now, no one will touch it to play. What money he has left is now gone.
This was the straw the broke the camels back for me. I've tried to taken a stance during auditing that I won't judge, I won't try to be a salesmen either but I won't judge. I'll present the information that I've found and let those that see it make their own decisions based on what I've presented.
Obviously that doesn't work in this enviroment. Red flags should have went up on everyones radar the minute you read that I noticed he was using all toons to handle incoming and outgoing isk. That isk was contracted directly out for a dread purchase, etc...
So from now on for any audit I'm going to be a mean son of a ***** and make sure I let my opinion be known in addition to the information I've found. |
Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: cosmoray Kind of academic to me, as I would of only invested if EMF had taken up Kazzac's offer of running the payment side.
Doesn't matter if Casino is alive or dead now, no one will touch it to play. What money he has left is now gone.
This was the straw the broke the camels back for me. I've tried to taken a stance during auditing that I won't judge, I won't try to be a salesmen either but I won't judge. I'll present the information that I've found and let those that see it make their own decisions based on what I've presented.
Obviously that doesn't work in this enviroment. Red flags should have went up on everyones radar the minute you read that I noticed he was using all toons to handle incoming and outgoing isk. That isk was contracted directly out for a dread purchase, etc...
So from now on for any audit I'm going to be a mean son of a ***** and make sure I let my opinion be known in addition to the information I've found.
yeah nice to bad it costed meh 1 bill tough :P anyway your work is apreciated m8. nothing personal. . www.garia.net |
SiJira
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Posted - 2008.12.12 16:49:00 -
[177]
so the game went on a random streak paying out more than someone put in a few times too many and the ipo owner gave up because it was easier? it makes no sense to invest in anyone else considering the time it takes yourself to make 10 percent a month - it takes more time researching the ipos Trashed sig, Shark was here |
Feryal Sky
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira so the game went on a random streak paying out more than someone put in a few times too many and the ipo owner gave up because it was easier? it makes no sense to invest in anyone else considering the time it takes yourself to make 10 percent a month - it takes more time researching the ipos
Grandma is right.
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Damien Jax
Industrial Research College Ltd
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:18:00 -
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A Casino is still a viable business opportunity in EVE. Unfortunately, this one was poorly designed and not run properly. I'm sure it'll leave a bad taste in everyone's mouths for some time to come. The failure was on EMF's part for not making the game more favorable to the house. Using 1 deck on blackjack is an example. Another problem were the lack of max bets, the way the house wins is by you playing many times.
If I bet 1 billion and won on one hand in blackjack, I'd take my money and run. However, if I were forced to bet only 50m at a time, it'd force me to play more if I wanted more. Thus, the house will usually win because now there are more chances for the house to win small amounts a large number of times. Spread that out among many players and the house wins in the long-run.
Lets face it, it was poorly designed and executed. If I knew how to integrate the eve API, I'd set up a casino in a heartbeat.
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Jayyne Cobb
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jayyne Cobb on 14/12/2008 20:41:31 I guess I was scammed too. F you, banker lucy. KOS.
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