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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2012.04.08 09:50:00 -
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Q A) What are T2BPO?
T2BPO stands for Tech Two Blueprint Original. They are in game items that allow the creation of TECH II items with out the need for an invention process
Where did they come from?
They were seeded into the game in a variety of ways
1. They were dropped by Rats in certain systems. Many deemed this unfair and pointed to the fact that CCP were intentionally aiming drops at particularly alliances/corps by generating the drop in their space
2. They were given out in a lottery that required research points as tickets. Many deemed this unfair as it gave those with far larger banks of research point ie older players a distinct advantage. Information about the workings of the lottery were also released to key players. This information was regarding the amount of BPO's in each individual lottery and how many tickets were participating. This gave key players insight into which lottery to enter giving them far greater chances of obtaining T2BPO's. Some even rumour that the lottery was in no way random and that CCP employee's simply chose which players to gift BPO's
3. They were simply handed as assets in secret to certain players by CCP
4. An incident where non authorised handing of T2 BPO to a player from a CCP employee occurred. These BPO's were recovered but not after several EVE players were sanctioned for bringing the incident to light. (Discussing Bans is bannable, so I best not go into this too much less I get banned). Simply put CCP's behaviour over the incident could be described disgusting at best
Q B) Who owns them?
1. Players that obtained items as stated above
2. Players who have WORKED for them by other means and purchased them from players who were gifted them using IS
3. Players who purchased them illegally using RMT
4. Players who ganked them out of ships or stole them from corp while unlocked
Q C) Why are there calls to remove them?
1. They were seeded and distributed into the game unfairly
2. Figures have been released by CCP revealing the extent of the wealth they can generate at little effort
3. They can be locked in corp hangers and still used but not stolen unless through a corp vote they are unlocked. (makes zero sense if the item is locked it should not be able to be used.
4. In many cases the invention process can not compete with the BPO but this does vary from item to item
5. They never expire and have unlimited runs
Q D) How should they be removed?
1. Immediately by returning spent RP and taking the BPO out of game
2. If owning player paid ISK for them the trade should be reverted and ISK returned while original owner is reimbursed with research points
Q E) How will TECH II be produced after removal?
By invention process which allows fair competition
Q F) Anything else that should be known?
1. Some T2BPO are not profitable due to limited demand for the produced item. 2. Some T2 items do not have a T2BPO but require invention as sole creator 3. Burning copies of T2BPO reqs items as well as time and copying costs 4. The % of the market the BPO covers varies immensely between items 5. The retail cost of the BPO's vary immensely between items. 6. Read other posts |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
36
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Posted - 2012.04.08 09:50:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
165
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Posted - 2012.04.08 10:03:00 -
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Shut UP about them already. Sick of hearing it. |
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer DUCT TAPE UNION
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Posted - 2012.04.08 10:32:00 -
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my neighbour got an iphone4. i cant afford one so they need to take it away from him.
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Tekota
The Freighter Factory
232
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Posted - 2012.04.08 11:24:00 -
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Another thread? Really, we're used to multiple T2 BPO threads round these parts, they're a regular occurrence, but when one person starts multiple threads in a few days it gets a little silly.
Look, we've been over this for *years*. There actually are some reasonable arguments for the removal of T2 BPOs but you consistently fail to hit *any* of them, blow up years old space drama, spout some really uninformed drivel as fact and in the process you weaken your own argument hopelessly.
"Brewlar Kuvakei" wrote:3. They can be locked in corp hangers and still used but not stolen unless through a corp vote they are unlocked. (makes zero sense if the item is locked it should not be able to be used.)
Just this one quote from above is a face / palm moment - BPO locking has no particular relevance to T2 BPOs in the slightest, and locking and use from locked prints (T1 as well) has a very valid and common use. Yet somehow you seem to think this is somehow proof of some ongoing conspiracy between evil devs and evil players against you.
As someone who has *some* sympathy for the position that T2 BPOs time are up I would ask you to cease making such unbelievably misinformed weak strawman arguments. I don't want to look so frothy mouthed by association. |
Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro.
306
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Posted - 2012.04.08 11:31:00 -
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Still selling [T2H8R] shares. 1M each and all proceeds go towards the purchase and trashing of T2 BPOs.
If you really want to see T2 BPOs starting to be removed from the game then this is how you do it. We're about halfway to the first one visiting the recycler.
Link in sig. Do it! Help rid New Eden of T2 BPOs:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62797 The Full Pocket Aggro blog:-á http://fullpocketaggro.blogspot.com/ Now showing: The incursion situation |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
36
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Posted - 2012.04.08 11:48:00 -
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Tekota wrote:Another thread? Really, we're used to multiple T2 BPO threads round these parts, they're a regular occurrence, but when one person starts multiple threads in a few days it gets a little silly. Look, we've been over this for *years*. There actually are some reasonable arguments for the removal of T2 BPOs but you consistently fail to hit *any* of them, blow up years old space drama, spout some really uninformed drivel as fact and in the process you weaken your own argument hopelessly. "Brewlar Kuvakei" wrote:3. They can be locked in corp hangers and still used but not stolen unless through a corp vote they are unlocked. (makes zero sense if the item is locked it should not be able to be used.) Just this one quote from above is a face / palm moment - BPO locking has no particular relevance to T2 BPOs in the slightest, and locking and use from locked prints (T1 as well) has a very valid and common use. Yet somehow you seem to think this is somehow proof of some ongoing conspiracy between evil devs and evil players against you. As someone who has *some* sympathy for the position that T2 BPOs time are up I would ask you to cease making such unbelievably misinformed weak strawman arguments. I don't want to look so frothy mouthed by association.
I just feel an element of risk should be involved in sharing blueprints, I agree all blue prints should be unlocked to allow corp manufacture. It's like letting some one borrow a ship but having CCP return it if he steals it. Same should apply to blueprints if locked they should be inascessible for manufacture.
Also the last thread was locked or I would not have started this thread which I will keep updated as I feel strongly about tech II BPO and the need for overdue removal from game. |
General Trajan
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.04.08 11:50:00 -
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getting rid of T2 BPOs is heading in the wrong direction IMO.
everybody and their grandmother can simply obtain a T1 BPO of a cruiser, BC or BS or whatev as long as they have the isk. so why can't it be that way for T2 BPs as well?
i say EVERYBODY should be able to get a T2 BPO as long as they have the isk. idk make another special level of research (or skill to train) that gives EVERYBODY the greater chance of getting a T2 BPO rather than just a T2 BPC.
"my neighbor got an iphone4. so i topped his ass buy getting the new droid razr maxx" |
Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro.
306
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:04:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Also the last thread was locked or I would not have started this thread which I will keep updated as I feel strongly about tech II BPO and the need for overdue removal from game.
Still waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is. Help rid New Eden of T2 BPOs:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62797 The Full Pocket Aggro blog:-á http://fullpocketaggro.blogspot.com/ Now showing: The incursion situation |
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer DUCT TAPE UNION
91
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:07:00 -
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General Trajan wrote:getting rid of T2 BPOs is heading in the wrong direction IMO.
i say EVERYBODY should be able to get a T2 BPO as long as they have the isk
Thats exactly how it is NOW.
earn 5b open contracts buy t2 bpo be happy about overpowered 1% return per month notice that u wanna earn more isk start inventing again which gives you 150% profit per day ????? profit |
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
239
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:11:00 -
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He's either trolling or just doesn't want to listen to any other perspectives on this topic other than his own.
Just ignore him from now on and his thread crusade will die. Problem solved. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
36
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:19:00 -
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Sorry the only other pespective is ''Your trolling'', ''buy one'' <-- even though you got yours for free as a CCP gift? ''Shut up''. So far these are the only comments advocating that T2BPO are fair and should stay. |
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer DUCT TAPE UNION
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:22:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Sorry the only other pespective is ''Your trolling'', ''buy one'' <-- even though you got yours for free as a CCP gift? ''Shut up''. So far these are the only comments advocating that T2BPO are fair and should stay.
You dont even read what other people write in your threads or you would know that i started 2009 and made the isk from invention. |
General Trajan
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:31:00 -
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Gatan Hahran wrote:General Trajan wrote:getting rid of T2 BPOs is heading in the wrong direction IMO.
i say EVERYBODY should be able to get a T2 BPO as long as they have the isk
Thats exactly how it is NOW. earn 5b open contracts buy t2 bpo be happy about overpowered 1% return per month notice that u wanna earn more isk start inventing again which gives you 150% profit per day ????? profit
you mean to tell me that if all 40k accounts that normally log on everyday has the chance of getting a T2 BPO? even if they all had 5 billion? that many T2 BPOs are even in the game? of every item at that? in unlimited supply like it is for T1 you can find on the market?
not as exactly as it seems to me. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
36
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:36:00 -
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General Trajan wrote:Gatan Hahran wrote:General Trajan wrote:getting rid of T2 BPOs is heading in the wrong direction IMO.
i say EVERYBODY should be able to get a T2 BPO as long as they have the isk
Thats exactly how it is NOW. earn 5b open contracts buy t2 bpo be happy about overpowered 1% return per month notice that u wanna earn more isk start inventing again which gives you 150% profit per day ????? profit you mean to tell me that if all 40k accounts that normally log on everyday has the chance of getting a T2 BPO? even if they all had 5 billion? that many T2 BPOs are even in the game? of every item at that? in unlimited supply like it is for T1 you can find on the market? not as exactly as it seems to me.
If there is no problem with T2BPO just let NPC stations sell it like T1 and foget the massive price tag just make them cheap and easy, That's the way CCP's pets have it allready with their private T2BPO.
Sadly there is a problem there was problem with the very idea of T2 BPO running alongside invention: the corrupt and unfair way in which T2BPO were seeded just made matters worse.
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Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro.
306
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:38:00 -
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so get your 5b faster than the muppets who fail so hard at making isk. or put your money where your mouth is and buy some [T2H8R] shares.
your choice.
(of course you can always whine on the forums instead.) Help rid New Eden of T2 BPOs:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62797 The Full Pocket Aggro blog:-á http://fullpocketaggro.blogspot.com/ Now showing: The incursion situation |
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer DUCT TAPE UNION
91
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:46:00 -
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General Trajan wrote:Gatan Hahran wrote:General Trajan wrote:getting rid of T2 BPOs is heading in the wrong direction IMO.
i say EVERYBODY should be able to get a T2 BPO as long as they have the isk
Thats exactly how it is NOW. earn 5b open contracts buy t2 bpo be happy about overpowered 1% return per month notice that u wanna earn more isk start inventing again which gives you 150% profit per day ????? profit you mean to tell me that if all 40k accounts that normally log on everyday has the chance of getting a T2 BPO? even if they all had 5 billion? that many T2 BPOs are even in the game? of every item at that? in unlimited supply like it is for T1 you can find on the market? not as exactly as it seems to me.
Yes, everyone has the chance of getting T2 BPO. That everyone has a chance to buy a T2 BPO does not mean that everyone will have a T2 BPO. Almost all players prefer to put their isk into stuff that creates more ingame fun for them or provides a better return on investment. The fact that everyone has the chance to get rich does not mean that everyone will be rich. The beauty of free market is that even if a lot more people want to buy a T2 BPO everyone still will be able to open contract menu and buy one. Its not like in communisn where the stores just are empty. If demand raises, the price will raise too, making sure that there is always supply ready for people who want to buy this glorious waste of isk. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
36
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:46:00 -
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Lauren Hellfury wrote:so get your 5b faster than the muppets who fail so hard at making isk. or put your money where your mouth is and buy some [T2H8R] shares.
your choice.
(of course you can always whine on the forums instead.)
Why would I pay an eve pet for his BPO he should not have been given in the first place?
I think my method of making noobs aware of T2BPO before they subscribe an eve account with the ambition of manufacturing is more likely to see the removal off all T2BPO. When CCP see that T2BPO is hurting subscription they will be more inclined to remove them. I know 2 people who have rage quit over T2BPO and T2BPO is the reason I would never consider manufacture. ( Yes I know invention can compete in some T2 fields) but it is the principle that keeps me out of the game.
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lol fourm troll
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.08 13:37:00 -
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Do you realize there are rules against reopening threads that have been locked???? BTW still a bad troll -1/10 |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
36
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Posted - 2012.04.08 13:53:00 -
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lol fourm troll wrote:Do you realize there are rules against reopening threads that have been locked???? BTW still a bad troll -1/10
Not a troll and you know so your rating your own. Last thread was locked under the guise that petitions are against forum rules this is not a petition it's a discussion. |
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Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
218
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Posted - 2012.04.08 15:30:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Lauren Hellfury wrote:so get your 5b faster than the muppets who fail so hard at making isk. or put your money where your mouth is and buy some [T2H8R] shares.
your choice.
(of course you can always whine on the forums instead.) Why would I pay an eve pet for his BPO he should not have been given in the first place? I think my method of making noobs aware of T2BPO before they subscribe an eve account with the ambition of manufacturing is more likely to see the removal off all T2BPO. When CCP see that T2BPO is hurting subscription they will be more inclined to remove them. I know 2 people who have rage quit over T2BPO and T2BPO is the reason I would never consider manufacture. ( Yes I know invention can compete in some T2 fields) but it is the principle that keeps me out of the game.
t2 bpos dont stop people staring eve, and when they do start its like arrr ohhh shiney stars and space ships. not oh look if i go from 5k to 450b i cant compeat because of a bpo. t2 bpos are not hurting manufacturing either, if a modual sells well people invent it. it dosnt matter if it has a t2 bpo as invention will produce way more than a t2 bpo ever could. if your friends did quit over t2 bpos, and i highly doubt your telling the truth, there morons who cant do maths or understand spredsheets. CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.04.08 15:49:00 -
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Bad troll is bad. And boring. Thread reported for reopening a locked thread. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
36
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Posted - 2012.04.08 16:04:00 -
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Not one good reason for T2BPO's or one argument about the distrubution of T2BPO's. Just whines and bitches about posting the obvious that T2BPO badly needs removed and this sad chapter of EVE closed forever. You've had good years of effortless uncompeting manufacture it's time to play EVE like the rest of us mortals who don't have a bat phone direct to a CCP Dev. |
Stella SGP
71
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Posted - 2012.04.08 16:06:00 -
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nom nom nom MOAR TEARS! |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
36
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Posted - 2012.04.08 16:11:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote:nom nom nom MOAR TEARS!
Quotes from supporters of T2BPO. As you can see they are idiots. Still not a single reason for keeping them not one. |
Stella SGP
71
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Posted - 2012.04.08 16:15:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Stella SGP wrote:nom nom nom MOAR TEARS! Quotes from supporters of T2BPO. As you can see they are idiots. Still not a single reason for keeping them not one. Pffft tons of reason have been given over many years already. You're just too lazy to read what others have written.
Most of us just can't be bothered regurgitating the same stuff over and over again in every new thread you create.
So I have simply come to harvest you noob tears since you refuse to see what others have written before.
MOAR TEARS! I need to fill up my tanker! |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
36
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Posted - 2012.04.08 16:17:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Stella SGP wrote:nom nom nom MOAR TEARS! Quotes from supporters of T2BPO. As you can see they are idiots. Still not a single reason for keeping them not one. Pffft tons of reason have been given over many years already. You're just too lazy and daft to read what others have written.
I'm reading them and it seems just a lot of retards making personal attacks at the very thought of someone suggesting they give up their CCP silver spoon. |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.04.08 16:18:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Stella SGP wrote:nom nom nom MOAR TEARS! Quotes from supporters of T2BPO. As you can see they are idiots. Still not a single reason for keeping them not one. Pffft tons of reason have been given over many years already. You're just too lazy and daft to read what others have written.
That's it, keep feeding the troll. Keep the non-sense running. |
Stella SGP
71
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Posted - 2012.04.08 16:23:00 -
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Katja Faith wrote:Stella SGP wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Stella SGP wrote:nom nom nom MOAR TEARS! Quotes from supporters of T2BPO. As you can see they are idiots. Still not a single reason for keeping them not one. Pffft tons of reason have been given over many years already. You're just too lazy and daft to read what others have written. That's it, keep feeding the troll. Keep the non-sense running.
But i'm bored... |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
259
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Posted - 2012.04.08 17:57:00 -
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Again with this crap?
Give it a break, already
(And re-posting threads that were locked is against the forum rules, by the way. You wouldn't want to get forum-banned now, would you? Although everyone else probably would welcome that, so keep it up!) The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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