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Zifrian
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:11:00 -
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He's either trolling or just doesn't want to listen to any other perspectives on this topic other than his own.
Just ignore him from now on and his thread crusade will die. Problem solved. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.04.09 22:22:00 -
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The main issue with your whole set of threads is that you have already determined that T2 BPOs are unfair and should be removed. That seems to be the reoccurring theme in these types of threads. Most of us don't think they are a problem or need to be removed. But you didn't ask that, you just jumped in feet first with 'they are unfair' and thus you get the back and forth.
All the data produced and analysis shows that T2 BPOs fill low demand items that have low volume or the items are so high demand that inventors can make isk comparable to those with T2 BPOs due to production times and number of blueprints.
So basically, if you want to continue this, I suggest you get some facts and numbers to argue first *if* they are harming the economy enough that they should be removed, then talk about how. But trying to find a problem to your solution is t going to get you anywhere. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.04.10 19:35:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:lol fourm troll wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:There's a tiny part of me that would thoroughly enjoy seeing players like the OP who, absent their favorite scapegoat, would finally be forced to accept that they simply aren't smart enough to thrive in industry. Meh I play the game the way I want I plex two accounts from afk trading and have isk to do what I want to do in EVE. I wanted to compete in invention but refuse to do so against T2BPO an item that was gifted by ccp to a pet player. The easiest way to not compete against T2BPOs is dont invent, if you are that well off give up this crusade, you are fighting an up hill battle alone, you will lose. Exactly and that is the point and you hit the nail on the head. A single inventor can not compete in a single item against a T2BPO owner and that is why T2BPO need removed. People come out with the same rubbish excuse ''well invent something else''. Why should I? Why should I not invent this item just because CCP have gifted another player the ability to create the item with out invention, zero effort and the ability to undercut every single BPC? If this were true, then i wouldnt make any isk from T2 ammo production, but I make loads. I'm sure there are T2 bpo owners for these items. So, you really don't understand industry at all then. Well actually you don't seem to understand the market nor the concept of supply and demand. What will you do if you choose to make mauraders and find out its not profitable? Blame T2 bpo owners and refuse to make something else? Or diversify and adjust to the market? Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.04.10 22:22:00 -
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And again, you fail to address questions asked to you and make wild accusations about people that have T2 BPOs. Are you trying to convince anyone of anything? Because it seems like you've done nothing but shore up the opinion by almost everyone here that you have no clue what you are talking about.
Anywho, no reason to reply to you anymore. Not sure why I bothered posting again. I suggest everyone else stop feeding this thread and watch it die. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.04.24 14:01:00 -
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I really wish blocking posts from someone blocked threads they create so I didn't have to see this idiot thread anymore. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:34:00 -
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Why do people continue to bump this thread? You all realize he's one of the best trolls of all time or a complete noob that has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. Why bother wasting the time trying to convince him of anything? He clearly doesn't have the intellectual capacity for objective thought or enough schooling to conclude he might agree with you. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:50:00 -
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Lol fair enough. I wouldn't mind podding this guy a few times actually. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:25:00 -
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But they don't hamper invention. That's the point everyone is trying to tell you.
They are irrelevant for most of the items in the game already, which is why there is no reason to remove them.
But seriously, in the time this thread has been going on, I have made 1 billion isk through invention. How much have you made? Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:41:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Zifrian wrote:But they don't hamper invention. That's the point everyone is trying to tell you.
They are irrelevant for most of the items in the game already, which is why there is no reason to remove them.
But seriously, in the time this thread has been going on, I have made 1 billion isk through invention. How much have you made? That point is mute 78% of an item line is hampering invention. The word is moot, not mute. But just because you say it's moot doesn't mean it is.
Secondly, care to share where you got 78% from? What item line? What about the lines that can only be made through invention? Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:49:00 -
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Prekaz wrote: You do realize that most of the people who think you're an imbecile don't actually own T2 BPOs themselves... right?
I own zero. I owned one once for about 7 hours, because I saw it on contracts at what I concluded to be well below its fair market value. Seven hours later I resold it for a profit that would have been, at a minimum, 3 years worth of actually producing from the print.
I made over 2 billion from production last week, and by "last week" I mean "between Sunday and Wednesday", and I am a far cry from a titan of industry. That is vastly more than most T2 BPOs will produce in a month, and more than many will produce in a year.
Thus, the only conclusion I can possibly reach is that anyone who would cry for so long and so hard about the "unfairness" of such a dismal earner like T2 BPOs must simply be exceedingly bad at industry. I have yet to see any indication to the contrary.
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:57:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Akita T wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:That point is mute 78% of an item line is hampering invention. No, the point is not moot. You're not hampering invention PROFITS, you're hampering invention VOLUMES. BPO owners will always sell at whatever price the competition between INVENTORS puts the pricetag at. INVENTORS determine the pricetag of an item singlehandedly for ANY items where BPO production is LESS THAN 100% of non-hobby production. If you want increased inventor VOLUME all you need to do is provide radically cheaper moongoo (by providing alternative methods to obtain advanced mats via player effort instead of territory ownership) AND by lowering invention costs (or at least lowering invention waste), which will result in radically cheaper T2 items, which will result in an explosion of demand, which will result in BPOs becoming a minority of production volume-wise. Answer me this, for a VERY CONCRETE EXAMPLE : how much do Hulk BPOs bother Hulk inventors ? Hint : 9 out of 10 Hulks are invented Hulks, and only 1 in 10 is BPO manufactured. The answer you're looking for is "not at all". Hulk inventors don't give a damn about Hulk BPOs. Because the freaking demand is freaking high compared to maximum BPO production capacity, that's why. Inventors only determine price tag on goods with large buy orders for instance hulks, yes. On every other item that does not have massive flow the BPO owner is able to under cut all inventors, this is wrong and in need of correction either by sipmly removing T2BPO or by increacing invention ME and run levels so that inventors can undercut BPO owners. Decreascing the efficency of the T2BPO would also help placing it firmly below invention where it belongs. And here is a perfect example of why your whole argument is flawed, seriously.
Question, what is the difference between two items that can both be produced by invention and T2 BPOs, one with low volume and one with high?
Answer, volume not the presence of T2 BPOs.
Open question, why are the marauders not profitable to invent for most players?
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:06:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Zifrian wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Akita T wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:That point is mute 78% of an item line is hampering invention. No, the point is not moot. You're not hampering invention PROFITS, you're hampering invention VOLUMES. BPO owners will always sell at whatever price the competition between INVENTORS puts the pricetag at. INVENTORS determine the pricetag of an item singlehandedly for ANY items where BPO production is LESS THAN 100% of non-hobby production. If you want increased inventor VOLUME all you need to do is provide radically cheaper moongoo (by providing alternative methods to obtain advanced mats via player effort instead of territory ownership) AND by lowering invention costs (or at least lowering invention waste), which will result in radically cheaper T2 items, which will result in an explosion of demand, which will result in BPOs becoming a minority of production volume-wise. Answer me this, for a VERY CONCRETE EXAMPLE : how much do Hulk BPOs bother Hulk inventors ? Hint : 9 out of 10 Hulks are invented Hulks, and only 1 in 10 is BPO manufactured. The answer you're looking for is "not at all". Hulk inventors don't give a damn about Hulk BPOs. Because the freaking demand is freaking high compared to maximum BPO production capacity, that's why. Inventors only determine price tag on goods with large buy orders for instance hulks, yes. On every other item that does not have massive flow the BPO owner is able to under cut all inventors, this is wrong and in need of correction either by sipmly removing T2BPO or by increacing invention ME and run levels so that inventors can undercut BPO owners. Decreascing the efficency of the T2BPO would also help placing it firmly below invention where it belongs. And here is a perfect example of why your whole argument is flawed, seriously. Question, what is the difference between two items that can both be produced by invention and T2 BPOs, one with low volume and one with high? Answer, volume not the presence of T2 BPOs. Open question, why are the marauders not profitable to invent for most players? I'll let you answer that one. Because some one with a BPO undercuts them. If BPC's could undercut T2BPO then yeah they would be profitable but just sell really slowly. That's not a problem it's the inventors choince to invent that item if he wants to have his isk tied up in an expensive item that may sit on market for months. Out of principle they should not be cut out of a market because CCP decided to gift a BPO that out performs them. It should be the otherway round invention should make T2BPO useless in some fields and only allow T2BPO's to be profitable in items where volume dictates price. Hook...
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:35:00 -
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The minerals I mine are free argument doesn't really go far with me honestly. If they are high volume, traders/reprocessors will buy them up. If they are low demand, someone will just undercut that price until someone hits a price point that people want to buy from. Either way, the market is self-correcting. Sure there are people that do not include the price of datacores or copies in their production but that assumes everyone is doing the same thing.
The MIMAF would be an issue if the market system were more like WoW's, but it's not. It's a supply and demand system so a lot of normal economic principles affect the price. In short, I see it as nothing other than a complaint for people not able or are unwilling to diversify their production. Or do their homework. Hell, I've been profiting off the same 3 items for 3 years now. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:10:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: Well then orignal point is invalid Maurauders will be profitable to make for inventors but just sell very slowly at least people can produce mauraders on an equal footing and sell for profit. For sure like every item you will get some free miner syndrome but at least maurader inventors don't get crushingly undercut by a T2BPO.
Infact maurders are the perfect example of why T2BPO should be removed? Surely if T2BPO's are good for eve CCP should make some Maurader BPO's? Why not afterall T2BPO's are sweet?
OK, not sure why I'm going to continue bothering but you still don't seem to understand simple economics 101 and your credibility of a knowledgeable or semi-serious industrialist is completely shot (if it ever existed). Furthermore, this entire thread is your argument - the task is for you to convince everyone else to switch their opinion of the topic. However, simply saying you are right does not make it so and you have yet to get one person to agree with you that did not in the first place.
But not to display my own hypocrisy, I will not only say your argument is flawed but I will show you in a simple way.
Here are three scenarios that show you are not understanding how the T2 market (or markets in general) works. For sake of argument, assume that it takes the same amount of time (1 week) to make 1 unit of X for all 10 players. Assume the profit from invention is 1mil isk and for the T2BPO holder, 5mil isk. These are simple scenarios but mirror the market pretty closely from my experience.
Scenario 1 - Item X is sold in a market with 9 inventors and 1 T2BPO holder. If the market demand is satisfied by selling 10 units per week, all industrialists have the same chance to make a profit. The T2 BPO holder makes 5mil of his sale and the other 9 make 1 mil.
Scenario 2 - Item X demand on the market is for 100 units per week. Now the industrialists cannot supply the market with the required demand, so the price increases. Additionally, this draws in more industrialists to supply the market due to the profit incentive. Because there are far more inventors than T2 BPO owners, supply from invention will determine the price point, not T2 BPOs. However, at no point would the T2 BPO owner undercut the invention set price if they are a rational actor. If they did, with high demand the incentive to buy low and sell at the higher price point exists and is exactly what happens.
Scenario 3 - Item X demand drops to 5 units per week. Now the market is in over supply and the price will drop. Normally this is where the price will drop below the cost to build the item and industrialists will leave the market due to a lack of profit incentive and will likely drop prices of the stock they have on hand to move to another item or market. The T2 BPO holder has a larger cushion to his price margin however, also runs into a point where he may no longer supply the market if the demand is so low.
In the above three scenarios we find the following re-occurring themes:
- The T2 BPO owner can make more profit than an inventor under my simplified assumptions
- The market price self-corrects based on supply and demand
- A T2 BPO owner can find a point where they still have an expensive asset (even if they got it for free it has a substantial value) that does not earn them a profit
- The presence of a T2 BPO owner for a market item is unknown to other industrialists and this knowledge alone does not affect the price of goods sold when rational actors are involved. See #2.
Now your argument is that the T2 BPO owner can "severely undercut" the inventor. So it sounds to me that your argument is not that you can't make a profit, or that you cannot compete. The T2 BPO owner can make more of a profit. This is true but you can easily compete with them.
Does this give enough of a reason to remove T2 BPOs? They are not harming the market nor are they hampering invention in any way - they are another way to supply the market with items. If you have a T2 BPO for the same market item I have, my decision to make that same item does not rest on the fact you have a T2 BPO - it rests on whether I can sell the item at a profit and within a time period that fits my business plan. Your ability to undercut me has no bearing on my decision at all because if you were to do this (market pvp) I will just buy you out. Since you are limited by the amount you can produce (I have three characters that can produce items whereas you have 1), there is no way for you to compete with me. So as a rational actor, you will NOT undercut me to a level that endangers your profits.
Leaving T2 BPOs in the game does very little overall if anything to the market or the future of T2 production through invention. In the end, the only valid argument that you have is that they can make more profit than an inventor. Under my assumptions above, that is true. Does it matter? Not if you know what game you are playing. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.05.06 23:29:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Enough with the one-liners and cherry-picked statistics and wild accusations. SHOW US YOU'VE DONE SOME HOMEWORK ON THIS SUBJECT. OK, fine, there's things you don't like. I think we all have read those things dozens of times now. It seems like a trivial matter. Convince us otherwise with a WELL THOUGHT-OUT ARGUMENT. Do your ******* homework!
Can't we just report him for spamming and trolling instead? Just ignore him and stop posting in his threads. He'll go away.
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Posted - 2012.05.28 12:08:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:That's right my alts are everywhere muwwahwhwahwahwabut for realz I only ever post with this char about t2BPO, my other char is null sec who I never use to post.
So please stop accusing everyone of being my alt who complains about the shite state of affairs with regards toT2BPO running alongside invention. Didn't you say you have multiple accounts? Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.07.13 13:57:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:anyone remember the TNG episode where the enterprise is cought in a time-loop and the entire episode is all about the same 2 minutes over and over again? I fear the same happened to this thread aswell
Brewlar you made that point a couple of times already and its still as stupid as the first time. arguments really dont get better just by the number you bring them up... I do. Actually I think every time I see this thread bumped I'm going to make a post about a Star Trek episode (any series) or from the movies.
Speaking of which, the JJ Abrams Star Trek has to be the best pre-quel of all time. Meeting Bones for the first time...the kobiashi maru...he'll even the scene of Kirk driving the car...and seeing 'Iowa' in the corner of the screen....make me think of this line "No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Zifrian wrote:Can't wait for the next one. yep "search for Mrs. Spock" (Spock's mum) will come next year, its a Michael bay production so expect a US navy aircraft carrier saving the World... No thanks Um, not finding anything?
But I won't watch another Michael Bay film. Transforms 1....ok, not bad...different take. Fun film. 2 and 3? I could crap on three pieces of paper and made a better plot. I don't get why people keep paying that guy to make movies.
Speaking of T2BPO's though, favorite part in Star Trek 6....the last part when Spock gives him his torpedo that could detect gas emissions ("Well the thing's gotta have a tailpipe")...and Kirk says "Fire."...loved it. Although the final scene with Nero in the Black Hole and Kirk asking him if he needs assistance...Spock's reply almost as good. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: Story was ~OK~ and it was a good action movie no doubt, but you could clearly see the trend of just more unnecessary explosions and even a bit of martial arts, wich I never missed in Star Trek.
to find a Analogic story to this topic, I would rather see Kirk beeing a T2 BPO and Khan beeing brewlar... Kahn is p. mad at the Starfleet (CCP) because Kirk is an Admiral now (makes too much isk). He also blames Kirk for making so less profit ,because he was stranded on the wrong planet (lets call it invention) through Kirk. So Kahn was looking for an insturment of Power, "the Genesis" (Forums) wich would allow him to destroy Kirk and all his friends, but after Spock (akita) showed some extraordinary efforts, they defeated Kahn and the world was saved.
No offense tho, Khan was extremly intelligent, just displaced in the wrong century.
Haha, wonderful! Although, I'm not sure I want my friends with that crazy worm/bug thing stuck in their ears. Oh crap...it's probably me!
And yeah, Transformers 3 had so much "Action" you couldn't even watch the damn movie because everything was moving so fast. The only Michael Bay movie I like is Bad Boys. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Did you all know the first inter-racial kiss was on Star Trek? Kirk and Ohura. Facinating! Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.07.26 13:50:00 -
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Hulks look pretty good actually. Maybe I should make some.
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:I don't understand what the Double Face Palm is for..... what did I do???? You bumped this thread...which was dead for over a month
It's the same back and forth, no one adds anything different and no one is convinced of anything one way or the other. It needs to die and get locked indefinitely. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:I'm not sure what you're saying, but seeding new T2 BPOs will simply kill the market for invention T2 BPO owners killed invention years ago. Funny because I pay for 3 plex + profit doing invention. Too bad you can't figure it out. Maybe all the tears in your eyes are giving you problems seeing? Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Zifrian wrote:Funny because I pay for 3 plex + profit doing invention. Too bad you can't figure it out. Maybe all the tears in your eyes are giving you problems seeing? We aren't talking about T3s and wormholes here. I don't see anywhere in my post that says anything about T3s or wormholes. Man, those tears are really messing up your sight. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Zifrian wrote:Man, those tears are really messing up your sight. So, you own T2 BPOs. LOL again...never said anything about owning a T2 BPO....I said "invention". Might want to get your tear ducts checked out. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Stop lying, Jorma. We've repeatedly explained to you exactly how Invention is quite profitable for the vast majority of T2 markets. T2 BPO owners set the prices. For example Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II. Except it's profitable with 2 different decryptors.
Also, you ever hear of anyone finding T2 Rig BPC's when doing mag sites? I do. Maybe that has an effect too? Perhaps?
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Zifrian wrote:Might want to get your tear ducts checked out. Because you keep mentioning tears, you seem to like those T2 BPOs. OK moron, stop trolling. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Skeenal Raholan wrote:they have a limited number of runs they can make! I've heard that copying T2 BPO is possible... Oh come on. We've been over this. Copies take longer to make than production. You are TROLLING. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Zifrian wrote:Oh come on. We've been over this. Copies take longer to make than production. Copying T2 BPO takes less time than inventing. And that's main point.
Hammerhead II BPO Copy time: 50 minutes per single run Production Time: 26 minutes production time
Why would anyone copy them when you can build them faster?
As for invention, I can invent 40-50 runs of Hammerhead II in 2 hours. So copying a T2 BPO takes less time than inventing? Ahh no, not even close.
What exactly is your point? That you have no idea wtf you are talking about? Oh, no that's right. You are TROLLING. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.09.04 16:51:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP will tire of noobie industrialist players leaving the game when they find out about T2BPO and will eventual stem the blood flow that is pissing out of the eve economy and player base. It may take many years and eve might slip further down the ladder but eventual they will fix the problem, If they don't eve will die and it won't matter any more. So does this mean you are quitting? Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.09.05 11:53:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP will tire of noobie industrialist players leaving the game when they find out about T2BPO and will eventual stem the blood flow that is pissing out of the eve economy and player base. It may take many years and eve might slip further down the ladder but eventual they will fix the problem, If they don't eve will die and it won't matter any more. you said that every new player will quit as soon he will hear about t2 BPO`s. I think you heard about them and are apparently a new player, so why are you still playing the game? I was looking forward to doing T2 industry and even though select t2 fields are open to noobs where demand surpasses T2BPO production numbers I choose not to engage in the activity. I don't see why I should be offered the scraps while CCP has selected a player to have first pickings and a monopoly over that item. I do however produce T2 rigs and other items where CCP has not given a chosen player the ability to out perform noobs. Yet I still hope CCP introduces BPO's for rigs and for T3. As all of you lot are saying T2BPO's don't harm the game what so ever and are all round amazing so please CCP seed T3 BPO's and rig BPO's because as you can see they are great just ask idiots such as shar'ra matcevsovski . She'll explain why gifted BPO's are great for the game. If you choose not to engage in the activity, then why do you care to comment on it? What gives you any weight to your opinion if you do not do it? That's like me commenting on faction warfare and how unfair it is, which I have chosen not to engage in. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:31:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:You do realize that buffing invention to increase yield is self-defeating, as it would lower margins even more.
The problem is not invention or T2 BPOs. It's people that value their effort very little, typically with the argument that EVE is a game so they don't care how much they earn, or even if they take a loss, as long as they are having fun.
Building ships is an example of this, because everyone and their grandmother thinks building ships is "cool", regardless of if they are profitable or not (because hundreds of others had the same idea, and are 0.01 ISK-ing each other into oblivion).
Every new industrialist also wants to get into the market, often without doing any market research.
I earn billions of ISK by finding out what the market wants, then supplying it. However, this takes both time and effort, which many are not willing to invest in.
There is LOTS of opportunity for earnings on the current markets. Don't expect ISK to just magically appear in your wallet without putting in some effort. And...thread. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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