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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
90
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:27:00 -
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Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Poor EVE seriously sad to see that such a lame item as T2BPO exists in an interesting and complex game, shame one or a small amount of Devs can have such a negative effect on the game. T2BPO's seriously do not belong in this game especially running alongside invention. "The only markets where T2 BPO's have a significant impact are where there is little demand for the item." CCP Diagora, 5/3/2012. 87% of Vulcan Autocannons from invention 97% of Scourge Fury Heavy missiles from invention 66% of Ishtars from invention 63% of Zealots from invention 92% of covert ops cloaks from invention 72% of Falcons from invention. "The only markets where T2 BPO's have a significant impact are where there is little demand for the item." CCP Diagora, 5/3/2012. Where is this "negative effect" of which you speak? Invention has some lines, bpo have some lines. No biggie.
BPO has every line, invention only has lines where no T2BPO exists or where demand outstrips the T2BPO. |
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:26:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Poor EVE seriously sad to see that such a lame item as T2BPO exists in an interesting and complex game, shame one or a small amount of Devs can have such a negative effect on the game. T2BPO's seriously do not belong in this game especially running alongside invention. "The only markets where T2 BPO's have a significant impact are where there is little demand for the item." CCP Diagora, 5/3/2012. 87% of Vulcan Autocannons from invention 97% of Scourge Fury Heavy missiles from invention 66% of Ishtars from invention 63% of Zealots from invention 92% of covert ops cloaks from invention 72% of Falcons from invention. "The only markets where T2 BPO's have a significant impact are where there is little demand for the item." CCP Diagora, 5/3/2012. Where is this "negative effect" of which you speak? Invention has some lines, bpo have some lines. No biggie. BPO has every line, invention only has lines where no T2BPO exists or where demand outstrips the T2BPO.
BPO does not have every line, invention has more lines than T2BPO and on the ones that make more money. You come up with your numbers, then multiply by how many are sold and multiply that by how much they're worth, you'll see you're talking about TRIVIAL numbers.
"The only markets where T2 BPO's have a significant impact are where there is little demand for the item." CCP Diagora, 5/3/2012.
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
90
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:38:00 -
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Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Smohq Anmirorz wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Poor EVE seriously sad to see that such a lame item as T2BPO exists in an interesting and complex game, shame one or a small amount of Devs can have such a negative effect on the game. T2BPO's seriously do not belong in this game especially running alongside invention. "The only markets where T2 BPO's have a significant impact are where there is little demand for the item." CCP Diagora, 5/3/2012. 87% of Vulcan Autocannons from invention 97% of Scourge Fury Heavy missiles from invention 66% of Ishtars from invention 63% of Zealots from invention 92% of covert ops cloaks from invention 72% of Falcons from invention. "The only markets where T2 BPO's have a significant impact are where there is little demand for the item." CCP Diagora, 5/3/2012. Where is this "negative effect" of which you speak? Invention has some lines, bpo have some lines. No biggie. BPO has every line, invention only has lines where no T2BPO exists or where demand outstrips the T2BPO. BPO does not have every line, invention has more lines than T2BPO and on the ones that make more money. You come up with your numbers, then multiply by how many are sold and multiply that by how much they're worth, you'll see you're talking about TRIVIAL numbers. "The only markets where T2 BPO's have a significant impact are where there is little demand for the item." CCP Diagora, 5/3/2012.
By significant he means absolutely game breaking for those that do no own said T2BPO. To say the amount of Hulks produced from BPO is ********. It's billions of isk worth each month. |
Ore Bunny
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:50:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: By significant he means absolutely game breaking for those that do no own said T2BPO. To say the amount of Hulks produced from BPO is ********. It's billions of isk worth each month.
http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Hulk+Blueprint&ML=10&PL=10
~2,5 bn profit for 24/7 manufaction is hardly unfair, significant or game breaking when the BPO is a investment of easy half a trillion (means no matter if the Owner uses the BPO or not, he has still much more cake than you)
bring more such good examples, Cakehater |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1916
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Posted - 2012.06.15 21:23:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: By significant he means absolutely game breaking for those that do no own said T2BPO. To say the amount of Hulks produced from BPO is ********. It's billions of isk worth each month.
Ok, Brewlar's converted me. I hate Pie too. Too many cream pies have I stuffed down my gullet. My belt's burst, and I think I need the hospital. Oh, the crap I'm going to take in the morning.
Anyway, the Hulks produced from BPOs are a trivial percentage of the market, make no meaningful impact on the income of inventors, and are still a terrible ROI for BPO holders. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 21:40:00 -
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"The only markets where T2 BPO's have a significant impact are where there is little demand for the item." CCP Diagora, 5/3/2012.
Quote:
By significant he means absolutely game breaking for those that do no own said T2BPO. To say the amount of Hulks produced from BPO is ********. It's billions of isk worth each month.
Most of which is profit for INVENTORS. Thus, Hulk BPO holders do not have a significant impact on the market.
By significant, he means that if most of them are made by T2BPO holders, you can bet that item probably has little demand, also. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
90
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Posted - 2012.06.15 22:26:00 -
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''Interceptors'' A commonly used and commonly destroyed ship which is dominated by a handful of t2BPO owners. Sweet.
Remove T2BPO let non pet players manufacture interceptors for profit instead of CCP's chosen friends. |
Ore Bunny
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.06.15 22:48:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:''Interceptors'' A commonly used and commonly destroyed ship which is dominated by a handful of t2BPO owners. Sweet.
Remove T2BPO let non pet players manufacture interceptors for profit instead of CCP's chosen friends.
WRONG...do your homework better please (or actually do the numbers finally)
even with a BPO you can make negative profit--> http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Crusader+Blueprint&ML=50&PL=50&P=1&sellPrice=11.048.992,00
or make decent profit with a bpc http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Crow+Blueprint&ML=-4&PL=-4&P=1
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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 23:07:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:''Interceptors'' A commonly used and commonly destroyed ship which is dominated by a handful of t2BPO owners. Sweet.
Remove T2BPO let non pet players manufacture interceptors for profit instead of CCP's chosen friends.
OK, let's look at the paragraphs which you are basing your argument on:
Quote: Heavy Assault Ships have historically been one of the most popular Tech II ship class due to their high versatility in combat, resulting in high demand. However, their production time is rather long, requiring 1.5 days to build each unit on average. BPO holders therefore cannot fully keep up with the high demand, which creates opportunity for inventors to step in and provide the much needed supply. On the other end of the spectrum are Interceptors, which are mostly produced from BPOs. Due to their fast build time, BPO holders can churn them out quickly in great numbers, filling a large portion of the demand for these ships. Their relatively slim profit margins versus larger and more expensive ship classes make them an unattractive choice for inventors. Three out of every four Heavy Assault Ships available on the market are built using BPCs, while only 16% of all Interceptors are produced with BPCs. High demand therefore leads to increased number of invention jobs for popular spaceships, such as the Heavy Assault ships, even though the main rule seems to be that invention for spaceships is a high risk but low profit venture. As evident from the Demographics section in this QEN, the Hulk is currently the most frequently flown ship in EVE. During Q2 more than 20,000 Hulks were manufactured.
With BPCs accounting for almost 90% of all Hulk production, we can assume that the high demand for the ship as well as the low supply provided by BPO owners due to the long manufacturing time contributes greatly to the attractiveness of pursuing Hulk invention.
From this, you have decided that BPO's are overpowered. From one type of ship on the far end of the spectrum from a 3-year-old report. If someone pushes you for a specific statistic, this is the one you keep using like it represents how all T2 BPO's work.
So, again....
87% of Vulcan Autocannons from invention 97% of Scourge Fury Heavy missiles from invention 66% of Ishtars from invention 63% of Zealots from invention 92% of covert ops cloaks from invention 72% of Falcons from invention.
"The only markets where T2 BPO's have a significant impact are where there is little demand for the item." CCP Diagora, 5/3/2012.
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
90
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Posted - 2012.06.15 23:11:00 -
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WTF are you on? You link two different ships. Lets clear this up a T2BPO is always capable of undercutting invention after success rate is factored correctly. T2BPO undercuts every single invention field if there is profit in making an invention then so will there be using the BPO. Where as the other way round is not guaranteed because and let me write this in caps T2BPO IS BROKEN IT IS OVERPOWERED. T2BPO'S UNDERCUT INVENTION for zero effort and only negligible investments in RP, THIS IS WRONG. Please understand this.
Remove T2BPO make EVE real. |
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Ore Bunny
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.06.15 23:27:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
WTF are you on? You link two different ships.
Remove T2BPO make EVE real.
no ****, I linked two ships!
2 examples to prove that your theory about interceptors was just wrong. first example that showed you, that even with a T2 BPO you make negative profit (who cares if somebody can uncercut you or not when you lose money by building it), the other that you can make significant profit with inventing them.
god damn, I even have to explain the simplest explanation and you still dont get it. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
90
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Posted - 2012.06.15 23:44:00 -
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Ore Bunny wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
WTF are you on? You link two different ships.
Remove T2BPO make EVE real.
no ****, I linked two ships! 2 examples to prove that your theory about interceptors was just wrong. first example that showed you, that even with a T2 BPO you make negative profit (who cares if somebody can uncercut you or not when you lose money by building it), the other that you can make significant profit with inventing them. god damn, I even have to explain the simplest explanation and you still dont get it.
I never said all invention was unprofitable I simply state that it is wrong that T2BPO can exist printing isk at zero effort.
Please show me an example where an inventor can undercut a T2BPO please. Good luck BTW. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1917
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Posted - 2012.06.16 02:12:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Ore Bunny wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
WTF are you on? You link two different ships.
Remove T2BPO make EVE real.
no ****, I linked two ships! 2 examples to prove that your theory about interceptors was just wrong. first example that showed you, that even with a T2 BPO you make negative profit (who cares if somebody can uncercut you or not when you lose money by building it), the other that you can make significant profit with inventing them. god damn, I even have to explain the simplest explanation and you still dont get it. I never said all invention was unprofitable I simply state that it is wrong that T2BPO can exist printing isk at zero effort. Please show me an example where an inventor can undercut a T2BPO please. Good luck BTW.
Nobody's suggested that (except your straw man). We have simply stated that the things that are unprofitable to invent are so because demand is tiny, and they would be terrible to invent regardless of BPOs existence.
Someone has also shown that running T2BPOs at a profit is a significant amount of work.
Moreover, T2BPOs don't significantly affect any large market, so they don't matter.
Finally, EvE is not Fair. Suck it up and eat your goddamn cake. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Salo Aldeland
Luma Operations
60
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Posted - 2012.06.16 03:01:00 -
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Christ's sake, he's only got a handful of line he uses over and over. Every time you refer him to proof that one is wrong, he goes on to another at random.
Certain players having an advantage over others is counter to EVE's particular paradigm - debunked. I call this one "DEATH TO PIE!"
BPO's exist which were given out for free by CCP to personal friends - debunked. That crap is false. I actually think it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world even if it were true. It would really be a bold statement about games as art. Why just make a game that appears corrupt when you can actually MAKE it corrupt? In other words, "NO FAIR! YOU KNOW THE BAKER!"
BPO lottery was rigged in favor of chosen groups or players - debunked. Players spent seriously significant resources in order to put themselves into better positions to acquire BPO's. Those with more resources had more success, as expected, and as intended. Apparently, apart from love, BPO's should be the only thing in EVE you can't buy for ISK. "I WASN'T AT THE FRONT OF THE LINE? NO FAIR!"
Lottery winners got billions for nothing - debunked. The diminished advantage currently afforded by BPO's is quaint in comparison to the initial outlay and even to the current, greatly diminished, market price for a BPO. Also known as "WAAAAHHHHH!"
Inventors are undercut by BPO holders - debunked. BPO holders undercutting inventors is a losing strategy. People don't acquire the power or wealth need to own a BPO by following losing strategies. Sure. a BPO holder COULD undercut inventors, but he'd have to be as stupid as Brewlar to do so. "HERP DERP!"
The rest can be summarized as variations of the above.
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Sen Roo
The 22nd Jenquai Deep Space Corp High Rollers
0
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Posted - 2012.06.16 21:07:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:YAPYAPYAPYAPYAPYAPYAPYAP
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qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
26
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Posted - 2012.06.16 22:01:00 -
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Salo Aldeland wrote:
Inventors are undercut by BPO holders - debunked. BPO holders undercutting inventors is a losing strategy. People don't acquire the power or wealth need to own a BPO by following losing strategies. Sure. a BPO holder COULD undercut inventors, but he'd have to be as stupid as Brewlar to do so. "HERP DERP!"
The rest can be summarized as variations of the above.
I sell **** I make from T2 BPOs at about 2x what it cost me no matter what the market price is. some of it I can not even get 1.5 times what it costs to make, but I try to sell it at that. Also, some of the stock I just can never unload at any price, so **** that..
It takes 3 BPOs just to pay for 1 plex month, and it requires me to do quite a lot of work. |
Skorpynekomimi
223
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Posted - 2012.06.17 00:55:00 -
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Still going after thirty pages? Shut the buggery up about T2 BPOs already. It was a lottery.
As for 'zero effort'... You still have to acquire the materials, and can't risk moving the thing. A T1 BPO, you can always replace, for a price. T2 ones are unique, priceless things too risky to move. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
172
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Posted - 2012.06.17 22:27:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Ore Bunny wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
WTF are you on? You link two different ships.
Remove T2BPO make EVE real.
no ****, I linked two ships! 2 examples to prove that your theory about interceptors was just wrong. first example that showed you, that even with a T2 BPO you make negative profit (who cares if somebody can uncercut you or not when you lose money by building it), the other that you can make significant profit with inventing them. god damn, I even have to explain the simplest explanation and you still dont get it. I never said all invention was unprofitable I simply state that it is wrong that T2BPO can exist printing isk at zero effort. Please show me an example where an inventor can undercut a T2BPO please. Good luck BTW.
Well technically, I can accidentally buy a misspriced ship off the contracts in Jita and undercut some T2 BPO makers sell orders of his finished product
But yhe, the T2 situation is in a current state of accidenlied. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
85
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Posted - 2012.06.17 23:01:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:
But yhe, the T2 situation is in a current state of accidenlied.
very nice semi-cool Oneliner!
btw. didnt you get disqualified for posting unsourced fantasy numbers already? |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
91
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Posted - 2012.06.18 10:12:00 -
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CCP remove T2BPO and remove this embarrassing no longer gifted game item that completely strips EVE of it's self proclaimed top of the MMO intelligence pile and throws it down into WOW realm. An item that bitter vets had access to but new players are encouraged to spend 1000's of dollars on to obtain so they can succeed in producing T2 lines of their choice and maintain strict monopolies over by having the ability to undercut all other competition.
An item that is so overpowered that your own staff will risk their jobs to steal from you and sell/give to friends in game. An item that has cost you 1000's of dollars in lost subscriptions, time and effort , staffing problems and bad advertising across the entire web. T2BO brings nothing but negativity to the game and continues to harm CCP/EVE's image and the game itself.
Cut of this diseased limb or for ever have it hanging dead off EVE so people can sit and point to it and say ''well it's not really a real E sport, look at these legacy items that give select players an invincible advantage over others, an item unlike unique ships that can work 100% safe locked in station yet magically still usable.''. |
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Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.06.18 10:36:00 -
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There are so many T1 BPOs outside, that make more profit than T2 BPOs at much lower ISK investment. Why the hell do you care about T2 BPOs. I am sure you have absolutely no clue about this question. Leave it as it is. T2 BPOs do not harm CCPs image.... you are completely escapist. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2012.06.18 10:57:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:An item that bitter vets had access to but new players are encouraged to spend 1000's of dollars on to obtain so they can succeed in producing T2 lines - without having any offcial numbers I call this pure bullshit...the lest people bought their BPO`s with selling plex, you just have to be not totally bad at this game and put some effort into it. - even if it would be true, why would CCP not want that ppl spend so much money for their ingame items?
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: staffing problems and bad advertising across the entire web. T2BO brings nothing but negativity to the game and continues to harm CCP/EVE's image and the game itself.
to be fair, it would be just easier and simpler to remove YOU from the game, since your the only one I know, who is a real bad addvertisment till you decided to tell dumb untrue facts (steam forums) about eve. fortunetly even in these out of game forums nobody realy believes you and even people who have never played the game find your propaganda embarassing and know that T2 BPO`s are not the problem
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: Cut of this diseased limb or for ever have it hanging dead off EVE so people can sit and point to it and say ''well it's not really an E sport,'.
there we go, this is your main-problem...Eve cannot be an e-sport game because a sandbox-game works tottaly different.
E-sport != sandbox games
also if it would be a sport, it would be the lamest thing ever to cry like a whiny baby to change the rules to make it easier for indivduals |
Lukriss
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2012.06.18 11:34:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:An item that is so overpowered that your own staff will risk their jobs to steal from you and sell/give to friends in game. An item
That was before invention.
The only reason to remove T2 bpo's is to stop the constant bitching about them.
Sincerly the guy who can't afford one and probably never will be able to. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
91
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Posted - 2012.06.18 12:39:00 -
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Lukriss wrote:
Sincerly the guy who can't afford one and probably never will be able to.
I have plenty of RP here so technically yes I can afford one for what they were traded. It's simply that I'm not allowed to trade my RP for T2BPO's.
As for removing me from the game or at least removing all my posts about T2BPO or T20. This was an option that CCP used in the past they had mass deletes to try hide the T20 incident and the ban hammer was swung several times but going into details about bans on this forum are against rules so I won't. |
Lukriss
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2012.06.18 13:05:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: I have plenty of RP here so technically yes I can afford one for what they were traded. It's simply that I'm not allowed to trade my RP for T2BPO's.
And now they trade for more, I don't see you complaining to Coca-Cola that you could once buy a coke for 5c and you can't anymore. Using that as argumentation is just plain stupid, but again, so is this entire discussion. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
91
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Posted - 2012.06.18 13:51:00 -
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Lukriss wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: I have plenty of RP here so technically yes I can afford one for what they were traded. It's simply that I'm not allowed to trade my RP for T2BPO's.
And now they trade for more, I don't see you complaining to Coca-Cola that you could once buy a coke for 5c and you can't anymore. Using that as argumentation is just plain stupid, but again, so is this entire discussion.
No T2BPO were never initialy sold they were given out for realitively small amounts of RP. If CCP wants to allow us to trade RP for T2BPO they should give this option to everyone not just a select group of corps and players that they chose. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
91
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Posted - 2012.06.18 14:08:00 -
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Fluffi Flaffi wrote:There are so many T1 BPOs outside, that make more profit than T2 BPOs at much lower ISK investment. Why the hell do you care about T2 BPOs. I am sure you have absolutely no clue about this question. Leave it as it is. T2 BPOs do not harm CCPs image.... you are completely escapist.
I can get access to t1 bpo's on a level playing field heck If I wanted to get titan and capital prints that option is open to me, it may be difficult and take time and effort but it is an option. T2BPO however were given out to players of CCP choosing allowing them to build up massive stocks of isk through monopolising T2 in turn giving them access to even greater numbers of T2BPO further monopolising this. CCP countered with inventiion which was ******** because invention falls short of T2BPO when clearly it should be above it in terms of ME efficency while factoring in success rates.
Pro T2BPO supporters are right in one thing just plain removing the t2BPO's is not fair, to be fair would require nothing less than a full server restart to the point before the first T2BPO entered Tranq. If CCP were to acknowledge the error of the lottery, T20, T2BPO gifts and Inventions short comings by removing T2BPO now the game may actually settle into a true sandbox and be seen to have an E-sport side to the game.
Eve at this time is nothing but a MMO like WOW that tries to pretend to be a true sandbox but fails misreably because it has giant boils all over itself called T2BPO's that no amount of quirky advertising can cover. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1963
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Posted - 2012.06.18 15:59:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Lukriss wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: I have plenty of RP here so technically yes I can afford one for what they were traded. It's simply that I'm not allowed to trade my RP for T2BPO's.
And now they trade for more, I don't see you complaining to Coca-Cola that you could once buy a coke for 5c and you can't anymore. Using that as argumentation is just plain stupid, but again, so is this entire discussion. No T2BPO were never initialy sold they were given out for realitively small amounts of RP. If CCP wants to allow us to trade RP for T2BPO they should give this option to everyone not just a select group of corps and players that they chose.
They were never sold for RP. There was a lottery. Each RP was (in essence) a ticket. None of the T2BPOs currently in game were acquired unfairly. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1963
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:00:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Fluffi Flaffi wrote:There are so many T1 BPOs outside, that make more profit than T2 BPOs at much lower ISK investment. Why the hell do you care about T2 BPOs. I am sure you have absolutely no clue about this question. Leave it as it is. T2 BPOs do not harm CCPs image.... you are completely escapist. I can get access to t1 bpo's on a level playing field heck If I wanted to get titan and capital prints that option is open to me, it may be difficult and take time and effort but it is an option. T2BPO however were given out to players of CCP choosing allowing them to build up massive stocks of isk through monopolising T2 in turn giving them access to even greater numbers of T2BPO further monopolising this. CCP countered with inventiion which was ******** because invention falls short of T2BPO when clearly it should be above it in terms of ME efficency while factoring in success rates. Pro T2BPO supporters are right in one thing just plain removing the t2BPO's is not fair, to be fair would require nothing less than a full server restart to the point before the first T2BPO entered Tranq. If CCP were to acknowledge the error of the lottery, T20, T2BPO gifts and Inventions short comings by removing T2BPO now the game may actually settle into a true sandbox and be seen to have an E-sport side to the game. Eve at this time is nothing but a MMO like WOW that tries to pretend to be a true sandbox but fails misreably because it has giant boils all over itself called T2BPO's that no amount of quirky advertising can cover.
You can get access to a T2BPO just as easily as T1. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121807&find=unread
Cheaper than a Titan BPO, too. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
174
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:49:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Fluffi Flaffi wrote:There are so many T1 BPOs outside, that make more profit than T2 BPOs at much lower ISK investment. Why the hell do you care about T2 BPOs. I am sure you have absolutely no clue about this question. Leave it as it is. T2 BPOs do not harm CCPs image.... you are completely escapist. I can get access to t1 bpo's on a level playing field heck If I wanted to get titan and capital prints that option is open to me, it may be difficult and take time and effort but it is an option. T2BPO however were given out to players of CCP choosing allowing them to build up massive stocks of isk through monopolising T2 in turn giving them access to even greater numbers of T2BPO further monopolising this. CCP countered with inventiion which was ******** because invention falls short of T2BPO when clearly it should be above it in terms of ME efficency while factoring in success rates. Pro T2BPO supporters are right in one thing just plain removing the t2BPO's is not fair, to be fair would require nothing less than a full server restart to the point before the first T2BPO entered Tranq. If CCP were to acknowledge the error of the lottery, T20, T2BPO gifts and Inventions short comings by removing T2BPO now the game may actually settle into a true sandbox and be seen to have an E-sport side to the game. Eve at this time is nothing but a MMO like WOW that tries to pretend to be a true sandbox but fails misreably because it has giant boils all over itself called T2BPO's that no amount of quirky advertising can cover. You can get access to a T2BPO just as easily as T1. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121807&find=unreadCheaper than a Titan BPO, too.
I rather have the titan, more fun =) |
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