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Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:57:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:
Its pretty obvious there are 20 or so people offering constructive input while 5 or so (alts?) people are desperately trying to hold onto their unfair disadvantage by trolling a thread with comments like "Moaning" this isnt a forum about ****, and the childish insults only further point out to disrespectful and irresponsible hands that hold onto Tech 2 Blueprint originals.
its only an unfair advantage(i take it you ment advantage, not disadvantage) if was impossible to get hold of they.. but you can, anyone can. the sales forum is full of them.
isnt it disrespectful to the people that worked hard in game to buy them(like anyone can) just to get them removed due to a few peoples inability to put in the same hard work? CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Salo Aldeland
Luma Operations
19
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Posted - 2012.04.28 16:54:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:Its pretty obvious there are 20 or so people offering constructive input while 5 or so (alts?) people are desperately trying to hold onto their unfair disadvantage by trolling a thread with comments like "Moaning" this isnt a forum about ****, and the childish insults only further point out to disrespectful and irresponsible hands that hold onto Tech 2 Blueprint originals.
Oh god, you're killing me. I nearly died. Please, stop it.
Clearly, it's ludicrous to imagine that people that don't own T2 BPO's have examined the facts and find them completely inoffensive. Forum alts is the only thing that makes sense. Because otherwise, it would mean that there could be something flawed in your own interpretation. Maybe there's something you missed or just don't quite understand. And that would mean that all these people are dropping hints vis-a-vis the relative sharpness of certains tools and sheds because just maybe, to people in possession of all their faculties, you come off as petulant cry babies, idiots, or both.
No, couldn't be. Must be alts. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.04.28 18:05:00 -
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Kara Books wrote: people are desperately trying to hold onto their unfair disadvantage by trolling a thread with comments like "Moaning" this isnt a forum about ****, and the childish insults only further point out to disrespectful and irresponsible hands that hold onto Tech 2 Blueprint originals.
do you think this is:
A: constructive dispassionate input fort the current siutation or B: more or less the definiton of "moaning"
Quote:unfair disadvantage joke aside that you meant advantage, please do me a favour and explain exactly, why it is "unfair" to own a T2 BPO or purchase one. And again, please drop the idea that only chosen people got elected to own them, they are fairly traded goods on the open market. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
121
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Posted - 2012.04.28 19:38:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:Kara Books wrote:
Its pretty obvious there are 20 or so people offering constructive input while 5 or so (alts?) people are desperately trying to hold onto their unfair disadvantage by trolling a thread with comments like "Moaning" this isnt a forum about ****, and the childish insults only further point out to disrespectful and irresponsible hands that hold onto Tech 2 Blueprint originals.
its only an unfair advantage(i take it you ment advantage, not disadvantage) if was impossible to get hold of they.. but you can, anyone can. the sales forum is full of them. isnt it disrespectful to the people that worked hard in game to buy them(like anyone can) just to get them removed due to a few peoples inability to put in the same hard work?
Yes that was a typo on my end, apologies.
I also worry that reimbursing such valuable items, not to mention the headache of transporting them (the original owners had/have/will have to bear) would not be a simple matter, if the dev's do consider actually taking this step seriously they must first and formost make sure the time and care is taken to carefully consider every one.
This may indeed be a hot topic, in terms of strong beliefs, but its definitely not something small to toy with considering the great impact of T2 BPO's on the EvE economy, simply putting them in or simply taking them out must be planned out from multiple perspectives, from Social to multiple levels within the economy, I.E. alliance infrastructure, impact on Industrial aspects and the consumer of the final product.
It may just come down to one question, is such a large undertaking worth the benefits?
(edited to correct grammar) |
sodney
Corporation 3237801
12
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Posted - 2012.04.28 20:52:00 -
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Kara Books wrote: This may indeed be a hot topic,
This is indeed not a hot topic, it is rather deep-frozen. CCP hasn`t ever mentioned anything about removing them in the past 7 years, nor will ever do in the future. I would bet any isk-cent I have on that.
So keep crying or deal with it. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
67
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:35:00 -
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sodney wrote:Kara Books wrote: This may indeed be a hot topic,
This is indeed not a hot topic, it is rather deep-frozen. CCP hasn`t ever mentioned anything about removing them in the past 7 years, nor will ever do in the future. I would bet any isk-cent I have on that. So keep crying or deal with it.
Yeah but T2BPO is a bad advert for eve it goes against everything that CCP states the game is. It is good to keep T2BPO in the spot light to show potential subscritptions and other partys that they exist. |
Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
218
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Posted - 2012.04.29 09:13:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:sodney wrote:Kara Books wrote: This may indeed be a hot topic,
This is indeed not a hot topic, it is rather deep-frozen. CCP hasn`t ever mentioned anything about removing them in the past 7 years, nor will ever do in the future. I would bet any isk-cent I have on that. So keep crying or deal with it. Yeah but T2BPO is a bad advert for eve it goes against everything that CCP states the game is. It is good to keep T2BPO in the spot light to show potential subscritptions and other partys that they exist.
it shows everything that is right in eve.
'if you work you can achive what only a few can, you can own pieces of a long rich history, you can do it all. EVE'
i should work in marketing, not really a fan of coke though, hurts my nose CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
67
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Posted - 2012.04.29 12:46:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:sodney wrote:Kara Books wrote: This may indeed be a hot topic,
This is indeed not a hot topic, it is rather deep-frozen. CCP hasn`t ever mentioned anything about removing them in the past 7 years, nor will ever do in the future. I would bet any isk-cent I have on that. So keep crying or deal with it. Yeah but T2BPO is a bad advert for eve it goes against everything that CCP states the game is. It is good to keep T2BPO in the spot light to show potential subscritptions and other partys that they exist. it shows everything that is right in eve. 'if you work you can achive what only a few can, you can own pieces of a long rich history, you can do it all. EVE' i should work in marketing, not really a fan of coke though, hurts my nose
If you work hard by knowing a dev you can get stuff given to you for free? If you work hard enought knowing a dev you can have the workings of an illigitimate lottery given to you?
At no point has anyone worked hard to be gifted a T2BPO lets just clear that up right now. Yes a few people did work hard and bought them with ISK from an EVE pet player, Kudos to them, they will be refunded their loss if t2bpo are to be removed. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.04.29 13:59:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
At no point has anyone worked hard to be gifted a T2BPO lets just clear that up right now.
Lets clear it up that you have clearly not been aorund playing this game when that happaned because its just wrong. despite whatever rumours you might have picked up,nobody has ever recieved a gifted T2 BPo from a dev (plz dont bring up the old and already corrected story about a Sabre BPO and BoB)
If you realy think that is the issue you think to have right now and Dev`s would risk their job to give certain players an advantage, you might aswell look for a different game.
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: Yeah but T2BPO is a bad advert for eve it goes against everything that CCP states the game is. It is good to keep T2BPO in the spot light to show potential subscritptions and other partys that they exist.
please explain to me what Eve stand for then. reset any advantage players managed to earn them selves over years of playing? |
Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
218
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:45:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:sodney wrote:Kara Books wrote: This may indeed be a hot topic,
This is indeed not a hot topic, it is rather deep-frozen. CCP hasn`t ever mentioned anything about removing them in the past 7 years, nor will ever do in the future. I would bet any isk-cent I have on that. So keep crying or deal with it. Yeah but T2BPO is a bad advert for eve it goes against everything that CCP states the game is. It is good to keep T2BPO in the spot light to show potential subscritptions and other partys that they exist. it shows everything that is right in eve. 'if you work you can achive what only a few can, you can own pieces of a long rich history, you can do it all. EVE' i should work in marketing, not really a fan of coke though, hurts my nose At no point has anyone worked hard to be gifted a T2BPO lets just clear that up right now. Yes a few people did work hard and bought them with ISK from an EVE pet player, Kudos to them, they will be refunded their loss if t2bpo are to be removed.
reread what you wrote..... at no point did anyone work hard........ yes a few worked hard...
you make me lol in rl, little troll you. CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
67
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:33:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
At no point has anyone worked hard to be gifted a T2BPO lets just clear that up right now.
Lets clear it up that you have clearly not been aorund playing this game when that happaned because its just wrong. despite whatever rumours you might have picked up,nobody has ever recieved a gifted T2 BPo from a dev (plz dont bring up the old and already corrected story about a Sabre BPO and BoB) If you realy think that is the issue you think to have right now and Dev`s would risk their job to give certain players an advantage, you might aswell look for a different game. Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: Yeah but T2BPO is a bad advert for eve it goes against everything that CCP states the game is. It is good to keep T2BPO in the spot light to show potential subscritptions and other partys that they exist.
please explain to me what Eve stand for then. reset any advantage players managed to earn them selves over years of playing?
Yes because lets all deny that T20 ever happened or that people were given T2BPO for nothing. Lets pretend that they never dropped from Rats during events aimed at certain players. Lets all live in lala land where T2BPO is fair and the players that have been gifted them somehow worked for them and the fact that they can not be stolen and never expire is not a problem at all. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:45:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Yes because lets all deny that T20 ever happened or that people were given T2BPO for nothing -T20 was a guy, not a Event, plus it got corrected already, as I said. research better
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Lets pretend that they never dropped from Rats during events aimed at certain players -lower BPO-¦s dropped from rats but were not aimed to certain people
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:the fact that they can not be stolen -T2 BPO-¦s can be stolen, and it happaned already numerous times
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:and never expire is not a problem at all. -t1 BPO`s don't expire aswell, ban them right? |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
121
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Posted - 2012.04.29 19:29:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Yes because lets all deny that T20 ever happened or that people were given T2BPO for nothing -T20 was a guy, not a Event, plus it got corrected already, as I said. research better Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Lets pretend that they never dropped from Rats during events aimed at certain players -lower BPO-¦s dropped from rats but were not aimed to certain people Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:the fact that they can not be stolen -T2 BPO-¦s can be stolen, and it happaned already numerous times Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:and never expire is not a problem at all. -t1 BPO`s don't expire aswell, ban them right?
T2 BPO's can be replaced with Research.
Tell us Why are T2 BPO's important? What makes them better then Research that would involve the 100% (99%+1%)
Whats good do T2 BPO's bring me, my friend over there and the rest of eve online? |
Kakaka Bukandara
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 03:17:00 -
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CCP did create invention in order to generate T2 production. Now that people can generate T2 BPCs, it's appropriate that the originals should be removed and T2 production require inventn for everyone. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.04.30 04:25:00 -
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Kakaka Bukandara wrote:CCP did create invention in order to generate T2 production. Now that people can generate T2 BPCs, it's appropriate that the originals should be removed and T2 production require inventn for everyone.
happy first post ! ...bit obvious but I appreciate the effort.
Quote:Whats good do T2 BPO's bring me, my friend over there and the rest of eve online?
To you? Since you dont own one, not much besides slightly cheaper T2 ships/mods.
Also since they are already in the game, it clearly doesnt matter why we should "bring" them in, rather what it would cost to remove them. The Answer is apparently "too much" wich everyone (including CCP) seems to get but you two in this thread ;)
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Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
76
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:31:00 -
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Get rid of them without reimbursement, imo.
They shouldn't exist in the game while invention also exists in the game. Either make T2 BPOs available on the market just like T1 BPOs are, or else get rid of all of them and have done with it. If T2 BPO owners believe that it's unfair to go without reimbursement, they need to take a long hard look in the mirror. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Haulie Berry
26
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:36:00 -
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Mechael wrote:Get rid of them without reimbursement, imo.
They shouldn't exist in the game while invention also exists in the game. Either make T2 BPOs available on the market just like T1 BPOs are, or else get rid of all of them and have done with it. If T2 BPO owners believe that it's unfair to go without reimbursement, they need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
I think this guy's entire NAV should be arbitrarily deleted because his avatar is ugly. If he doesn't like that, he needs to take a long hard look in the mirror. |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
154
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:24:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:rather what it would cost to remove them. The Answer is apparently "too much" wich everyone (including CCP) seems to get but you two in this thread ;)
What is would cost is the trust hi-end investors place in the future value of their investments. It's bad enough when high value items get nerfed by needed gameplay changes (e.g. the effect of the super cap nerfs on the investments on manufacturers, pilots & character sales), but to outright remove something of high value from the game? There's a load of trust being flushed down the drain to do that, and every investor out there is going to be wary of any future investment of time & money. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1069
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:46:00 -
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Copy-pasting ALMOST the exact same reply made in the other "T2 BPOs are evil" thread, with a couple of additions
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First rule of EVE : EVE IS INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED TO BE UNFAIR TO SOME DEGREE. The particular complaint regarding the mere continued existence of T2 BPOs characterizing them as "unfair to exist" is very much akin to complaining that suicide-ganking is allowed, or that 100 battleships can attack a single freighter at the same time if they want to.
The question of whether T2 BPOs are "unfair" is a wholly irrelevant one, as they're SUPPOSED to grant some advantage. And they do. Besides, it's NOT really an unfair advantage, just like suicide-ganking or alpha-ing is not an unfair advantage either (at least within the bounds of allowed and even desired EVE advantages).
Invention was NOT supposed to completely and utterly REPLACE the T2 BPOs, just supplement them wherever a need existed. And they did that spectacularly well, or don't you remember 30 mil T2 cap rechargers or 700 mil Hulks back when all moongoo was stupidly cheap ? For newer items, they could be made to be the only source, so they were. That's not acknowledging T2 BPOs are bad, that's just acknowledging there's no good way to distribute NEW ONES without much scandal.
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The relevant questions are: 1) Would the game improve by ONLY removing T2 BPOs and changing nothing else ? *1b) For whom ? *1c) And for how long ? 2) How exactly do you plan to compensate current T2 BPO owners for the loss of the BPO in case of a removal ? *2b) If you say no reimbursement, how would you feel if a large portion of your NAV was wiped out just because somebody else felt it's not ok for you to have it ? *2c) Would you differentiate between lottery winners and current owners that purchased them (and how) ? *2d) How would that reimbursement affect the rest of the economy (domino effect) ? 3) What else (other than touching anything regarding T2 BPOs) can be done to improve the game in the areas people seem to be complaining about when they ask for a removal of T2 BPOs ? *3b) Would improvements in the output of invention (runs, ME/PE levels) in certain conditions not be more appropriate instead ? *3c) How about an uncapping of all moongoo production from the fixed max level we're currently living with ?
Also, this : http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1360780 The horse has been beaten to death, cloned, beaten to death again, reanimated and beaten to death again so many times it's not even funny anymore. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
73
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Posted - 2012.05.01 02:16:00 -
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With the planned changes to moon mining and data cores CCP has the perfect opportunity to either remove T2BPO or just make them irrelevant by buffing invention to exceed T2BPO in ME. Hopefully T2BPO's get the long needed nerf or removal finally. |
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1070
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:41:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:remove T2BPO No.
Quote:or just make them irrelevant by buffing invention to exceed T2BPO in ME. Yes, to some degree anyway.
All they really need to do is buff base invention values to 0/0 ME/PE, let T1 BPC ME/PE levels influence T2 BPC ME/PE levels (at, say, 1/20 strength) and buff chance of invention success, number of runs and decryptor bonuses, then add new ways to obtain moongoo that depend on player invested time rather than territory held.
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What would you want to bet they're not buffing invention at all, nor removing any T2 BPOs ? http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:31:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:With the planned changes to moon mining and data cores CCP has the perfect opportunity to either remove T2BPO or just make them irrelevant by buffing invention to exceed T2BPO in ME. Hopefully T2BPO's get the long needed nerf or removal finally.
it has just nothing to do with each other so it is not a better oportunity. Also Datacores are gona cost isk wich will make T2 BPO`s even more powerfull, eventually.So yea CCP totaly cares about T2 BPO`s, heh.
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:T2BPO's get the long needed nerf or removal finally.
never give up a pointless war! |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1070
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:38:00 -
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I wonder if he'll actually address my last 2 post on the previous page :P http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |
Salo Aldeland
Luma Operations
19
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:07:00 -
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Never mind laughing down all the cockamamie ideas proposed to recall or void BPO's, or improve the ME of invention. Such proposals are naive in the extreme and would actually do more harm than good to invention as a source of income. The reality is the proponents of such ideas are just flat out incapable of grasping why they're wrong. But let's pretend they'r right.
Instead, here's why T2 BPO's are an excellent feature of Eve and aught to remain in the game for their own sake.
Eve isn't like most games. You can really spend some time executing a plan. The ceiling is so high that it can take years for an enterprise to reach its goal. That's amazing! I can't think of another game that even attempts that, let alone approaches the same level of success in achieving it.
T2 BPO's exist to provide one such long term goal for people who enjoy industry. They're not really there for people who just want to generate ISK for a PLEX every month or to pay for their PVP. They represent a hefty investment just so that a single production line makes a couple hundred thousand more ISK an hour. There are any number of things the junior and intermediate industrialist can do that provide a better result in less time than saving up for a BPO.
If you took T2 BPO's out, the game would be a lot less interesting. Not only for the people who played and planed for ages in order to acquire one, but also for the people who wish to in their own future endeavors. There are any number of games where anybody who spends a month or two getting to level cap is on equal footing with the rest of the server. The long term goal of an extremely rare asset like a T2 BPO is one of the unique and integral selling points of Eve. Never mind how they got here in the first place. Even if they were specifically gifted to Eve's most prominent players, those players didn't reach such status by grinding rats and missions for a couple of months. If you're 100% right that just means they used cunning and back room deals and bribery to secure a handful of amazing assets. What other game would let you even contemplate such a strategy?
Even if we cede all your points, and agree completely that they are over powered money faucets, were handed out for free by corrupt game developers to their favorite cronies, and distort the economy to such a huge extent that whole segments of the market are off limits to inventors as a result, T2 BPO's would still be an awesome thing to have in the game.
If you took them out just so that anybody who's trained up a month's worth of skills and saved a pittance in seed money can play the industry game at its maximum level, Eve would be a blander, less exciting, less attractive game. The fact that the arguments put forward in favor of removing BPO's are total bunk doesn't even matter.
They're here. They're awesome. You don't have one. Get used to it. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
73
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:25:00 -
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''T2 BPO's exist to provide one such long term goal for people who enjoy industry. They're not really there for people who just want to generate ISK for a PLEX every month or to pay for their PVP. They represent a hefty investment just so that a single production line makes a couple hundred thousand more ISK an hour. There are any number of things the junior and intermediate industrialist can do that provide a better result in less time than saving up for a BPO.''
Well CCP should not have given them out to their friends and pet corp/allinces then and actually made them something to work for, sadly they did not. Remove T2BPO fix industry make it a sandbox game. |
Reverend Cletis
Synister Mynisters
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:33:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Reverend Cletis wrote:Would someone be kind enough to wake me up when these inane T2bpo whine threads stop?
Much appreciated. I will send you a PM when they are removed or when EVE online finnaly goes to the MMO graveyard.
Thanks man.
Good to know that the whiners still cba to get off their backsides to go out and earn enough to get a T2 bpo or just STFU and quit being Entitlement Babies.
MeMeMeMeMe Whaaaaaaa!
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
73
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:44:00 -
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Reverend Cletis wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Reverend Cletis wrote:Would someone be kind enough to wake me up when these inane T2bpo whine threads stop?
Much appreciated. I will send you a PM when they are removed or when EVE online finnaly goes to the MMO graveyard. Thanks man. Good to know that the whiners still cba to get off their backsides to go out and earn enough to get a T2 bpo or just STFU and quit being Entitlement Babies. MeMeMeMeMe Whaaaaaaa!
Earn enougth what? Sorry how much do T2BPO cost orginally oh yeah sweet nothing except knowing a CCP Dev. OK can I have some sweet CCP Dev love in the form of gifted T2BPO. Cry cry cry.
STFU |
Reverend Cletis
Synister Mynisters
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:50:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Reverend Cletis wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Reverend Cletis wrote:Would someone be kind enough to wake me up when these inane T2bpo whine threads stop?
Much appreciated. I will send you a PM when they are removed or when EVE online finnaly goes to the MMO graveyard. Thanks man. Good to know that the whiners still cba to get off their backsides to go out and earn enough to get a T2 bpo or just STFU and quit being Entitlement Babies. MeMeMeMeMe Whaaaaaaa! Earn enougth what? Sorry how much do T2BPO cost orginally oh yeah sweet nothing except knowing a CCP Dev. OK can I have some sweet CCP Dev love in the form of gifted T2BPO. Cry cry cry. STFU
--------> Location of forums where T2 BPO's are sold <------- Location of wallet that shows how many iskies you have.
When Wallet > T2 BPO cost. Purchase. Win \o/!
Akita T, you have to have saintly patience to deal with the constant harping on this issue. You have my respect.
I think I shall have to purchase as many T2 BPO's as I can regardless of any sort of profitability. Just cause I can. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1071
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:14:00 -
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Reverend Cletis wrote:Akita T, you have to have saintly patience to deal with the constant harping on this issue. You have my respect. TBQFH, I'm kind of busy right now trying to balance an entire game economic system, and I'm using the EVE-O forums as a break in-between datacrunching sessions... you know what they say, when you hit a speedbump, get back to the well-known basics for a while to clear your head...
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Well CCP should not have given them out to their friends and pet corp/allinces then and actually made them something to work for, sadly they did not. Remove T2BPO fix industry make it a sandbox game. Do you even know what actually happened then ? It was something like 10 T2 BPOs (not very good ones either) out of over 10000 total, they were removed as soon as they were discovered and thrown back in the lottery pool, and people involved were punished. Or if you mean those early Miner II BPOs, those were also minuscule numbers, and the lottery was introduced instead to avoid exactly the type of careless accusations you've just spouted. Get your facts straight. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |
Salo Aldeland
Luma Operations
19
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:18:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Well CCP should not have given them out to their friends and pet corp/allinces then and actually made them something to work for, sadly they did not. Remove T2BPO fix industry make it a sandbox game.
If certain corps are 'pets' it's because they spent uncountable man hours to get that way. So that's just awesome that you can succeed so much at this game you effectively become a sleazy, corrupt, fat cat gangster. And if certain players got theirs through personal, social contacts that's also awesome. I started playing Eve after hearing people talk excitedly about the Machiavellian plots and intrigues that went on completely outside of the game in order to pull off a major coup within it. That's awesome. Both things you're complaining about are awesome. You take them away, you don't have Eve anymore. You make the game less of a sandbox and more like Space Ships: Online. |
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