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yelworC
Temnava Legion TEMNAVA
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Posted - 2012.04.08 10:26:00 -
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I write this post in frustration with people who keep "acting smart" and avoid using acceleration gates in static plexes (I'm writing this specifically concerning Pith DED 2/10 plex). This is a well known exploit so I wan't go into specifics of how it's done, I'll just say that most (if not every) static plex requires some sort of key or pass to enter it and the exploit allows the circumvention of this. I'll also say that the exploit does not involve any particular player skill or ingenuity - anyone can do it with a month old character.
Maybe 2 weeks ago I petitioned a player who was repeatedly using this exploit and I got a mail from the GM the following day stating that they will see into it, but due to privacy issues they can't reveal to me any specific steps they will take, and will now close the petition.
A week has passed, and the guy kept performing the same thing. Not only that, a few others also appeared doing the same thing. And this is an observation based on watching just 2 systems. So I posted the petition again, reporting the new guys (for 1 on them I'm pretty sure is just an alt of the first guy). Another week has passed and still nothing is happening. The new petitions are still open, I got no feedback whatsoever, and the guy(s) are still doing their routine.
So, I don't really care what CCP does to those players. Warn them, ban them, spank them, whatever. I don't seek punishment, it is irrelevant to me. I do seek however that they stop using the exploit, because I'm starting to feel stupid for playing by the rules.
I'd like to see a comment form a CCP GM regarding this post.
TY in advance. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2012.04.08 10:58:00 -
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I would comment, but forum rules (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forum_rules):
Quote:9. Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue. You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned. 13. Do not post about bugs and exploits. Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper method by filing a report for our Quality Assurance department. You can find the form here. Discussions about unverified problems in the game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue the community needs to be aware of, we will make an official statement about it. |
Garven Dreis
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
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Posted - 2012.04.08 11:12:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I would comment,
Then don't. In Manticore we Trust |
yelworC
Temnava Legion TEMNAVA
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Posted - 2012.04.08 11:14:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I would comment, but forum rules (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forum_rules):
I'm not discussing anything new or not known in terms of exploits, and regarding to communication with GM's made public, I'm rather pointing out the lack of it, not any specific, relevant subject of it.
However, if forum moderators are viewing this topic as braking the EULA, then please lock and/or delete it. |
Garven Dreis
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
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Posted - 2012.04.08 11:59:00 -
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Amazing, imagine if this was the response to the boomerang maneuver. In Manticore we Trust |
yelworC
Temnava Legion TEMNAVA
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:06:00 -
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Garven Dreis wrote:Amazing, imagine if this was the response to the boomerang maneuver.
I'm not sure what exactly are you getting at mate? |
Garven Dreis
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:10:00 -
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yelworC wrote:Garven Dreis wrote:Amazing, imagine if this was the response to the boomerang maneuver. I'm not sure what exactly are you getting at mate?
It's not a slight against you at all.
I am getting at the massive response the 'Boomerang Maneuver' recieved from CCP, which was deemed illegal and resulted in a CONCORD mechanics change. You have been dealing with what appears to be an exploit for about a week, with constant petitioning, to no avail. I'd definitely like to hear from a GM whether this plex is working 'as intended' or if indeed this is an exploit. In Manticore we Trust |
StonerPhReaK
Nasgul Collective Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:29:00 -
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How do you know they dont have keys? |
Garven Dreis
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:32:00 -
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You can buy passkeys and crap like that, can't you? In Manticore we Trust |
yelworC
Temnava Legion TEMNAVA
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:40:00 -
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Garven Dreis wrote:yelworC wrote:Garven Dreis wrote:Amazing, imagine if this was the response to the boomerang maneuver. I'm not sure what exactly are you getting at mate? It's not a slight against you at all. I am getting at the massive response the 'Boomerang Maneuver' recieved from CCP, which was deemed illegal and resulted in a CONCORD mechanics change. You have been dealing with what appears to be an exploit for about a week, with constant petitioning, to no avail. I'd definitely like to hear from a GM whether this plex is working 'as intended' or if indeed this is an exploit.
Oh, it is definitely an exploit, there's no doubt about that. It is considered to be an exploit by CCP for quite some time (not sure exactly when it was ruled, but at least for a year). I guess the problem is not easily solvable by changing some game mechanic (I can't go to specifics here without revealing how the exploit works), so the only thing CCP can do is warn/ban players doing it. GMs certainly need to have some proof and actually catch the guy doing it before acting, but I don't see that as a problem if they are actually keeping an eye on him. I mean, if I can tell when the guy is doing it (and it's not that hard if you know how), I'm pretty sure the GMs can.
I presume that this exploit is probably regarded as not that big of a deal considering many other exploits that certainly affect EVE more relevantly than this one, but this doesn't mean they can just ignore it. Especially since I petitioned exactly what player, system, time and method used. |
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yelworC
Temnava Legion TEMNAVA
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:42:00 -
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StonerPhReaK wrote:How do you know they dont have keys?
Oh, on the contrary, I know they have keys. Having keys is not an issue. Entering plex without using one is. |
Astroniomix
EliteTroll
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Posted - 2012.04.08 15:22:00 -
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yelworC wrote:StonerPhReaK wrote:How do you know they dont have keys? Oh, on the contrary, I know they have keys. Having keys is not an issue. Entering plex without using one is. So you mean they are waiting untill you hit the gate then going in as well? That's not an exploit that's working as intended. |
yelworC
Temnava Legion TEMNAVA
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Posted - 2012.04.08 15:46:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:yelworC wrote:StonerPhReaK wrote:How do you know they dont have keys? Oh, on the contrary, I know they have keys. Having keys is not an issue. Entering plex without using one is. So you mean they are waiting untill you hit the gate then going in as well? That's not an exploit that's working as intended.
LOL. Of course I don't mean that. |
Syrias Bizniz
Dei Mudda GmbH
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Posted - 2012.04.08 16:01:00 -
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I don't know what this exploit is or how it works, but as you stated it would require some skilltime, but not very much, it certainly has to do with a character becoming able to fly a special ship with a special fitting. I'd say, it's a Dramiel pimped for speed activating the gate, cancelling warp and mashing full acceleration, so he is exactly aligned and will have to wait ~1-2 hours until he shows up in the plex? |
Rara Yariza
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.08 16:36:00 -
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How can you be sure what they're doing is an exploit? can you see into their cargo-hold to see if they key is being used? |
yelworC
Temnava Legion TEMNAVA
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Posted - 2012.04.08 17:06:00 -
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Rara Yariza wrote:How can you be sure what they're doing is an exploit? can you see into their cargo-hold to see if they key is being used?
Look, I can't tell you how can I be sure without telling you how the exploit works, and I won't do that. What matters is that you can know, and GMs know that you can know. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
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Posted - 2012.04.08 17:24:00 -
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https://bugs.eveonline.com
Submit a bug report, be sure to label it a exploit in the title under the Game Mechanics category. You can get the devs to act faster if it's in their tracking system rather than waiting on GMs and their bureaucracy. |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
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Posted - 2012.04.08 17:34:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:https://bugs.eveonline.com
Submit a bug report, be sure to label it a exploit in the title under the Game Mechanics category. You can get the devs to act faster if it's in their tracking system rather than waiting on GMs and their bureaucracy.
^ this
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Tah'ris Khlador
Carpe Vitam
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Posted - 2012.04.08 17:50:00 -
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I can't tell you what I know, but what I know is important. Also, it's critical to the C&P thread, which apparently is the "whine about everything" thread of late. Even if it is an exploit, C&P has no axe to lend you. (And definitely not my bow)
What exactly did you think posting about something you "can't talk about" would do for you in C&P? Publicity that you have thoughts? |
Teibor
Quay Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.08 18:04:00 -
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OP is correct, you could (still can i reckon) get into the 2nd room of a 2/10 static thats in metro withought using the gates so i presume the same applies to other 2/10 statics as well. |
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2012.04.08 18:13:00 -
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Garven Dreis wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I would comment, Then don't. I didn't. :P |
yelworC
Temnava Legion TEMNAVA
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Posted - 2012.04.08 18:27:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:https://bugs.eveonline.com
Submit a bug report, be sure to label it a exploit in the title under the Game Mechanics category. You can get the devs to act faster if it's in their tracking system rather than waiting on GMs and their bureaucracy.
Thank you. I'll try that. |
yelworC
Temnava Legion TEMNAVA
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Posted - 2012.04.08 18:48:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:I can't tell you what I know, but what I know is important. Also, it's critical to the C&P thread, which apparently is the "whine about everything" thread of late. Even if it is an exploit, C&P has no axe to lend you. (And definitely not my bow)
What exactly did you think posting about something you "can't talk about" would do for you in C&P? Publicity that you have thoughts? I can't tell you what I know because I don't want to take the heat from CCP for explaining to people how to use exploits, I'm sorry. As I stated in OP, I wrote what I wrote hoping to get attention from GMs since it appears they aren't paying much attention to me through the petition system. This doesn't mean I do not want to discuss the matter with players who do know what I'm talking about, of course.
Also, the C&P thread seemed like the most logical place to post, since there isn't any "discuss exploits" forum thread (for obvious reasons). |
GhostDragoon
Incertae Sedis Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.04.08 20:01:00 -
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yelworC wrote:I write this post in frustration with people who keep "acting smart" and avoid using acceleration gates in static plexes (I'm writing this specifically concerning Pith DED 2/10 plex). This is a well known exploit so I won't go into specifics of how it's done, I'll just say that most (if not every) static plex requires some sort of key or pass to enter it and the exploit allows the circumvention of this. I'll also say that the exploit does not involve any particular player skill or ingenuity - anyone can do it with a month old character.
Maybe 2 weeks ago I petitioned a player who was repeatedly using this exploit and I got a mail from the GM the following day stating that they will see into it, but due to privacy issues they can't reveal to me any specific steps they will take, and will now close the petition.
A week has passed, and the guy kept performing the same thing. Not only that, a few others also appeared doing the same thing. And this is an observation based on watching just 2 systems. So I posted the petition again, reporting the new guys (for 1 on them I'm pretty sure is just an alt of the first guy). Another week has passed and still nothing is happening. The new petitions are still open, I got no feedback whatsoever, and the guy(s) are still doing their routine.
So, I don't really care what CCP does to those players. Warn them, ban them, spank them, whatever. I don't seek punishment, it is irrelevant to me. I do seek however that they stop using the exploit, because I'm starting to feel stupid for playing by the rules.
I'd like to see a comment form a CCP GM regarding this post.
TY in advance.
1 - Why is this in C&P... ?
2 - As already stated, discussing GM interactions is against the EULA, being that every situation is up to the interpretation of the GM you get at the time methinks I would drop the subject. You are currently griping to C&P because a GM didn't act in YOUR favor on an issue that you reported. This happens all the time, deal with it.
3 - So you literally said in your OP that...
yelworC wrote:I write this post in frustration with people who keep "acting smart"
Well, you will come across tons of people that are smarter than you in life. People will figure out work-arounds & solutions that you didn't come up with first. Are you going to resort to calling the cops every time someone releases a product that you didn't think of? |
yelworC
Temnava Legion TEMNAVA
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Posted - 2012.04.08 20:19:00 -
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GhostDragoon wrote:1 - Why is this in C&P... ? 2 - As already stated, discussing GM interactions is against the EULA, being that every situation is up to the interpretation of the GM you get at the time methinks I would drop the subject. You are currently griping to C&P because a GM didn't act in YOUR favor on an issue that you reported. This happens all the time, deal with it. 3 - So you literally said in your OP that... yelworC wrote:I write this post in frustration with people who keep "acting smart" Well, you will come across tons of people that are smarter than you in life. People will figure out work-arounds & solutions that you didn't come up with first. Are you going to resort to calling the cops every time someone releases a product that you didn't think of?
1 - As I wrote earlier - because there isn't a "discuss exploit" subforum. C&P seemed more logical than bugs, issues and workarounds.
2 - The GM didn't act at all, and that is the primary reason I posted. Also, given the fact that the reported issue IS an exploit (as ruled by CCP), I don't see how the GM could have acted "not in my favor".
3 - There is a reason I used quotation marks in "acting smart". I knew about the exploit long before I had the issue with this "smarter player". Are you going to resort to NOT call the cops every time someone steals your wallet just because you don't steal other people's wallets?
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GhostDragoon
Incertae Sedis Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.04.08 20:25:00 -
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yelworC wrote:[quote=GhostDragoon] Are you going to resort to NOT call the cops every time someone steals your wallet just because you don't steal other people's wallets?
Correct, I'm not a idiot so I don't get my wallet stolen. Had the same one since I was 12 now that I think of it. You reported your grievance to the GM, they'll deal with it as they see fit, and you have no reason to be griping to C&P. Many people have attempted to warn you so here's a pre-ban farewell and "I hope you recover swiftly from your loss." |
yelworC
Temnava Legion TEMNAVA
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Posted - 2012.04.08 20:58:00 -
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GhostDragoon wrote:yelworC wrote:[quote=GhostDragoon] Are you going to resort to NOT call the cops every time someone steals your wallet just because you don't steal other people's wallets?
Correct, I'm not a idiot so I don't get my wallet stolen. Had the same one since I was 12 now that I think of it. You reported your grievance to the GM, they'll deal with it as they see fit, and you have no reason to be griping to C&P. Many people have attempted to warn you so here's a pre-ban farewell and "I hope you recover swiftly from your loss."
You missed my point. Since you're not an idiot, I think you did it on purpose. But anyway, I'm really happy for your wallet. And if I do get banned over this - farewell to you too.
Over&out. |
Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.08 23:24:00 -
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Simple solution: Remove static complexes and move them so that they need to be scanned down. *hides* |
Zilero
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.08 23:33:00 -
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GhostDragoon wrote:yelworC wrote:[quote=GhostDragoon] Are you going to resort to NOT call the cops every time someone steals your wallet just because you don't steal other people's wallets?
Correct, I'm not a idiot so I don't get my wallet stolen. Had the same one since I was 12 now that I think of it. You reported your grievance to the GM, they'll deal with it as they see fit, and you have no reason to be griping to C&P. Many people have attempted to warn you so here's a pre-ban farewell and "I hope you recover swiftly from your loss."
So your one year old wallet has not been stolen yet. Congratulations.
On a more serious note, did the OP try to escalate his petitions to a senior GM?
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EFF ONEF1
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.09 07:17:00 -
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You are unlikely to see any movement on this by CCP.
Like 9/10 game companies, they do not fix "exploits" until some brave soul posts on the forums how to do it and everyone starts trying it.
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StonerPhReaK
Nasgul Collective Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.04.09 14:52:00 -
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None of the usual complexes that require keys have been requiring them anymore. i think CCP borked something. |
Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
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Posted - 2012.04.10 04:37:00 -
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GhostDragoon wrote:... I don't get my wallet stolen. Had the same one since I was 12 now that I think of it. Not bad. Had mine since I was 9. Post with your monkey. |
lanyaie
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Posted - 2012.04.10 05:30:00 -
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Im going to **** your ship up just because you posted useless **** in c and p I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you |
Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.04.10 09:27:00 -
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Can't they just MWD to the next room with a frigate? Most plex rooms are 10,000km apart. Takes 33'20" at 5000 m/s. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
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