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Saint Fu
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:35:00 -
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I have been off line from eve for most of the last year due to RL issues. I have been back for 2 days and have lost two haulers in safe (0.8) empire. The 1st one was whilst afk'ing which I was taken back a bit, but the second one was whilst I was insta jumping from gate to gate.
I came out of a gate, 0.5 sec, was scrambled and shot at until my ship was destroyed. The BC what was doing the shooting was happily tanking concorce for quite a while before finally getting destroyed.
Now this is all new to me, what the hell is happening here, I bet he still gets his full insurance payout.
You can give me the sec hit penalty c##P, but other than this, is the idea to make it impossible for solo players to even ship kit about ???????
I don't doubt that lots have complained about this, but i have not been about so for me this is new.
If eve has moved so far away from solo players that even in empire the knubs can hapilly gank, then someone has well lost the plot.
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:38:00 -
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Empire is functioning as always,
1) never carry expensive stuff in haulers - use T2 haulers] 2) empire is not safe it is just safer 3) what did you loose -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente Apocalypse Ponies H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:38:00 -
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->9000/10
AKA failtroll
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Fu but the second one was whilst I was insta jumping from gate to gate.
There's nothing wrong with a little hyperbole in your troll posting, but outright lying just makes it too easy to spot _____________________
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Lysit Waare
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS Empire is functioning as always,
1) never carry expensive stuff in haulers - use T2 haulers] 2) empire is not safe it is just safer 3) what did you loose
I lost 200mil in TechII guns in an itty. Came back to computer and thought, hmmm, sure I had some low slots (center of screen was blocked by market windows), hmmm, sure I had more cap than that, hmmm sure I wasn't ina a... nuts.
A few days later came back to a techII hauler with very little structure, needless to say they aren't safe either:P Think an Orca with 2xRe-enforced bulkheads might do (AFK hauling so can't turn on DCU), though it will be horribly slow.
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Saint Fu
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Saint Fu but the second one was whilst I was insta jumping from gate to gate.
There's nothing wrong with a little hyperbole in your troll posting, but outright lying just makes it too easy to spot
A few points, I pay my cash and have just the same rights as anyone else to voice my opinions. Thats not trolling, and when you develope the ability to form your own opinion, then I'm sure it will be worth hearing.
Secondly, calling someone a lier is one thing i will take exception to. As someone who has been playing eve since 2004, I am used to calling warp to 0 km as insta jumping. Such a thing as warp to 0 km did not exist back then as it is a new introduction. So instead of making yourself look purile over symantics, maybe you should try opening your brain and thinking, simple really when you try :)
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Alt Sauce
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:55:00 -
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Who goes AFK in space? Seriously...
Send me your stuff that wasn't lost for being dumb. _________ |
Karille
Gallente Lordless
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:56:00 -
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Nothing can stop suicide ganking short of a complete weapons lock down.
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baltec1
R.U.S.T. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:57:00 -
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I think I may have found 2 problems.
DONT AFK FOO!
and, FIT DEFENCES!
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 24/11/2008 16:58:15
Originally by: Saint Fu A few points, I pay my cash and have just the same rights as anyone else to voice my opinions. Thats not trolling, and when you develope the ability to form your own opinion, then I'm sure it will be worth hearing.
I have plenty of opinions; unfortunately for you, they were not too positive about this thread
Quote: Secondly, calling someone a liar is one thing i will take exception to. As someone who has been playing eve since 2004, I am used to calling warp to 0 km as insta jumping. Such a thing as warp to 0 km did not exist back then as it is a new introduction. So instead of making yourself look puerile over semantics, maybe you should try opening your brain and thinking, simple really when you try :)
Fixed a bit, because I care. Also, I understood what you were doing, but using wtz and quickjumping in highsec is the closest thing to invulnerability you can get without a covops cloak, so you shouldn't have died unless you afk'd at the wrong place _____________________
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WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:58:00 -
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if you go to the bank and put all your money in a shopping cart and try to go down the street in broad daylight I bet someone will try to jump you and take your money even with cops around the corner. SO WHATS YOUR POINT? ----------------------------------------------- "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation." |
Alty MacAlterson
Alt Corporation
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:58:00 -
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I rate this troll an F, see me after class
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Saint Fu
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:00:00 -
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Well before Christmas it was no issue, clearly that has changed.
I guess it has been made so there is little or no profit loss for the gankers, maybe not the smartest of things to do.
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baltec1
R.U.S.T. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Fu Well before Christmas it was no issue, clearly that has changed.
I guess it has been made so there is little or no profit loss for the gankers, maybe not the smartest of things to do.
Acctualy its now harder for the gankers. You just presented an easy fat target for them.
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Alt Sauce
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Fu Well before Christmas it was no issue, clearly that has changed.
I guess it has been made so there is little or no profit loss for the gankers, maybe not the smartest of things to do.
Nothing changed in-game...maybe you got hit in the head and became more stupid/ _________ |
Saint Fu
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
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Fixed a bit, because I care. Also, I understood what you were doing, but using wtz and quickjumping in highsec is the closest thing to invulnerability you can get without a covops cloak, so you shouldn't have died unless you afk'd at the wrong place
Thats the bit that got me, I was warp scrammed coming OUT of a gate, not arriving at it. I would post the name of the person who killed me for you to conferm, but I assume that name posting is still not allowed. But I am happy to pass it to you ingame so you can can check up yourself.
I have no reason to lie, I said I was afk hauling the 1st load and got hit in Hek, the second load was in Belle where I was WTZing the whole way, did not want to risk this load.
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iloni atoriandra
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:13:00 -
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Well you wouldnt be warp scrammed landing at a gate at 0km as you can just insta jump and scramming you there would be stupid.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:20:00 -
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If you've been playing for so long, surely you should know the dangers of carrying high-value cargo in an undefended ship?
If I'm carrying high-value cargo (200 mil or more) I follow these rules: 1. Don't AFK 2. Use a damage control and shield resistance modifiers for more EHP 3. Use agility mods to minimize your align time 4. Use a blockade runner
I've never had a shot fired at me when observing the above. Hell, I've never even been locked. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
Saint Fu
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:20:00 -
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Well, it appears that that the forums have sadly declined a bit in attitudes as well.
As I said, I had been out of the game for nearly a year, I was taken aback by the dramatic change to empire flying.
The result, is a thread full of insults etc.
I know this will not make most of you think, but just look at your responses and think. Your either too immature to be members of a forum, or so pathetic that you really need to get out more.
If you dont like a post, then simply move on, its not hard, but flaming only makes you look bad.
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Fu
Thats the bit that got me, I was warp scrammed coming OUT of a gate, not arriving at it. I would post the name of the person who killed me for you to conferm, but I assume that name posting is still not allowed. But I am happy to pass it to you ingame so you can can check up yourself.
I have no reason to lie, I said I was afk hauling the 1st load and got hit in Hek, the second load was in Belle where I was WTZing the whole way, did not want to risk this load.
Industrials are very slow to align, so it is not hard for a sensor boosted battlecruiser to lock and tackle you on the other side of the gate.
I will also point out that you were probably carrying enough valuable cargo to justify getting ganked. Don't carry excessive amounts of valuable carge-- you are just begging for trouble.
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N'tek alar
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Fu Well, it appears that that the forums have sadly declined a bit in attitudes as well.
As I said, I had been out of the game for nearly a year, I was taken aback by the dramatic change to empire flying.
The result, is a thread full of insults etc.
I know this will not make most of you think, but just look at your responses and think. Your either too immature to be members of a forum, or so pathetic that you really need to get out more.
If you dont like a post, then simply move on, its not hard, but flaming only makes you look bad.
But what you're failing to understand here is simple.
Empire itself hasn't changed, It was never safe to carry a high value cargo in a ship with a paper tank, Especially not AFK.
The only difference is that suicide ganking is possible/profitable, As such it happens more often, As such the risk if you haul valuable cargo in a hauler is indeed higher than last time you played.
BUT, it's not because game mechanics have changed, just because the awareness of it has gone up, In fact, Game mechanics have been changed to make it SAFER to haul (reduced concord responce time etc).
As for him tanking concord, I guarantee that he didn't, He tanked the sentry guns, And possibly the faction navy ships that were on the gate, Not concord. |
Saint Fu
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic If you've been playing for so long, surely you should know the dangers of carrying high-value cargo in an undefended ship?
If I'm carrying high-value cargo (200 mil or more) I follow these rules: 1. Don't AFK 2. Use a damage control and shield resistance modifiers for more EHP 3. Use agility mods to minimize your align time 4. Use a blockade runner
I've never had a shot fired at me when observing the above. Hell, I've never even been locked.
thanks for the advice
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Kuar Z'thain
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Fu Well, it appears that that the forums have sadly declined a bit in attitudes as well.
As I said, I had been out of the game for nearly a year, I was taken aback by the dramatic change to empire flying.
The result, is a thread full of insults etc.
I know this will not make most of you think, but just look at your responses and think. Your either too immature to be members of a forum, or so pathetic that you really need to get out more.
If you dont like a post, then simply move on, its not hard, but flaming only makes you look bad.
Dude, seriously: you f'ed up somewhere along the lines.
Battlecruisers do not just sit in a 0.5 waiting to shoot any hauler that comes along. You got your cargo scanned somewhere along the lines which means you were afk'ing or screwed up in some other manner.
This is why you are getting flamed, people smell your bull****.
Changes were made not too long ago that make it much harder for empire gankers, which means they are very selective about their targets.
Why were you chosen? Hmm?
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Norrin Ellis
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:31:00 -
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I'd like to know how to fit a BC to tank CONCORD.
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Norrin Ellis I'd like to know how to fit a BC to tank CONCORD.
this
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Saint Fu
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:32:00 -
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I would be very surprised if the people got more than about 30 to 50 mill out of what was left, I guess the most valuable transport was the second one, where I must have lost about 100mill.
They really cant be doing well out of this business.
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Praytell
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:33:00 -
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All joking aside, it is a little unfair that suicide gankers get no real penalty. I think about it like this...
(In theory) I get a life insurance plan on my wife... 6 months later she commits suicide. I cannot collect.
I don't know this for fact because Ive never had to take a life insurance plan out on a wife I dont have. So... With that said I think it should be the same with suicide gankers. Get yourself purposefully killed to get some phat loot, loose your phat insurance...
Just my opinion...
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Fu
As I said, I had been out of the game for nearly a year, I was taken aback by the dramatic change to empire flying.
Well your post looks like a well disguised suicide ganking whine troll and there is no way these emos will let the opportunity go
Around the second quarter of this year, mineral prices got so low suicide ganking became profitable. CCP tried to compensate by increasing sec hit.
It seems loot you were carrying in an unprotected ship made the ganking worthwhile.
There were talks about removing insurance payoff if you lose your ship to CONCORD but it is unknown if that is ever going to happen. --- "I live in Los Angeles, where driving is non-consensual pvp" - Arric Rohr |
Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Fu I would be very surprised if the people got more than about 30 to 50 mill out of what was left, I guess the most valuable transport was the second one, where I must have lost about 100mill.
They really cant be doing well out of this business.
Sometimes they win, a lot of times the lose, but every now and again, they get a big score and they get ahead. There's always someone who isn't paying attention and doesn't read the forums. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 24/11/2008 17:40:41
Originally by: Saint Fu Thats the bit that got me, I was warp scrammed coming OUT of a gate, not arriving at it. I would post the name of the person who killed me for you to conferm, but I assume that name posting is still not allowed. But I am happy to pass it to you ingame so you can can check up yourself.
I have no reason to lie, I said I was afk hauling the 1st load and got hit in Hek, the second load was in Belle where I was WTZing the whole way, did not want to risk this load.
You had to have been scanned somewhere. Even sensor boosted vs an industrial, it's pretty difficult to get passive locked, scanned, have your target make an objective analysis of cargo contents, and scrambled before you warp (~10s?), especially with some mild amounts of lag mucking things up
Edit: Also, this:
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Dude, seriously: you f'ed up somewhere along the lines.
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