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Enkryption
Intergalactic Pool Boys
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Posted - 2012.04.12 13:40:00 -
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Voidfinger wrote:personally I would like to see BS and larger ships get ridiculous so that smaller ship battles would take place instead of seeing 50+ supers and 200+ BS fighting it out. Lets see 400+ frigates and cruisers going at it!
TEST fields battleships?
I thought tier 3 BC were pretty much all the rage these days. |
Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.04.12 21:14:00 -
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Enkryption wrote:Voidfinger wrote:personally I would like to see BS and larger ships get ridiculous so that smaller ship battles would take place instead of seeing 50+ supers and 200+ BS fighting it out. Lets see 400+ frigates and cruisers going at it! TEST fields battleships? I thought tier 3 BC were pretty much all the rage these days.
Yes Maels like the hole clusterfuck |
Voidfinger
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
11
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Posted - 2012.04.26 20:52:00 -
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oh the sadness, purchased a raven yesterday and about cried. I retract my former statement, I want my 60m isk ravens and 40m isk domi's back! seriously 500+ million for an abbadon??? really. |
Tamarana
C.L.A.W.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.26 21:23:00 -
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The analysis about the reason of the spike in prices are mainly wrong. The main reason is Incursions Farming. The ISKs from Incursions drip in the general EVE economy and force all prices up. There is no real reduction of mineral production (just look at the chart of Jita). If the reason would be less minerals, the prices of minerals would spike but the prices of other stuff, like pos modules, fuel, T2 and T3 ships, would stay still or fall. More ISK would go to buy minerals and less would go in buying moon materials, Sleeper stuff, fuel for POS, Planetari Industrial products.
They all are growing in the same similar way, so the reason could only be ingection of liquidity in the market.
Ben Bernanke is now controlling the EVE ISK faucets and is printing, printing. |
Debiru
Flashpoint Industries
3
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Posted - 2012.04.26 21:32:00 -
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With taxes (very very low taxes) included, the price of battleships is less than the price of the minerals to build them in the case of Megathrons and Ravens (not sure of the others). Thus, I would not say battleship prices have inflated. In fact, most prices of anything have not inflated. Inflated prices means they are far more expensive than they should be. And should be, in the case of ships, means the price of the minerals plus a small profit margin. Right now, the price of those minerals is greater than that of battleships. So hold onto your seat belt, if minerals don't go down soon, battleships will bump up another couple million. |
Voidfinger
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
11
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Posted - 2012.04.26 21:34:00 -
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it just flips me out that a faction battle ship is close to 1 billion out where I'm at now, the Mach is 1.6 billion!!! wtf!!!!! |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2012.04.26 22:45:00 -
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Tamarana wrote: They all are growing in the same similar way,.
No, they aren't. It's pretty much just minerals and T1 gear. |
Kazu'ul
OMG PWNAGE
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 01:08:00 -
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Um, yeah. Let me break it down for you.
CCP announces drone region nerf and simultaneously cracks down on 'botting (whether this be mining bots that repeatedly mine hisec belts with immunity or or pvp bots that bring in loot/drone mins all the time - it will cause a bump in the market)
The following month, people panic, and buy up all excess minerals 'while they are still low' Shortly after this, mineral prices rise as supply and demand takes its natural course (During this phase I liquidated all my nocx, as I did when mex spiked due to tier 3 BC demand - also sold off a few hundred mil isk of other mins that have spiked, although i am holding my 200k zydrine for the upcoming inflation of hi end minerals) Shortly after the patch, I see a lot of mineral prices falling as more turn to mining and decrease demand by increasing supply - However, some still have vast stockpiles of minerals and are reluctant to sell - if the trend continues to lower mineral prices here shortly, those people will flood the market, making a new artificial low.
Not immediately relevant, but circa 2005 mineral prices from memory were about this Tritanium 1.2 (consequent years of hisec ore botting made this less available, increasing demand which to this day has continued... I mean seriously, you used to scan good roids and stop your laser a cycle before they would pop so that others can mine .6 omber and stuff as well, as the belts regenerated during downtime but if you pop a roid it will randomly respawn and have a higher % chance of becoming a new veld rock as opposed to a 'better' one) Pyerite 2.4 Mex 32 Iso 60 ( made my first few mil in an iteron 5 hauling isogen around filling npc buy orders for 5k @ 72 or whatever) Nocx 550 (amazing that this 'artificial high' has not changed since then... with the last month's panic excluded) zydrine 6500 Mega 9000 that weird red fullerene stuff - didn't exist yet |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
57
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:03:00 -
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Kazu'ul wrote:
Not immediately relevant, but circa 2005 mineral prices from memory were about this Tritanium 1.2 (consequent years of hisec ore botting made this less available, increasing demand which to this day has continued... I mean seriously, you used to scan good roids and stop your laser a cycle before they would pop so that others can mine .6 omber and stuff as well, as the belts regenerated during downtime but if you pop a roid it will randomly respawn and have a higher % chance of becoming a new veld rock as opposed to a 'better' one) Pyerite 2.4 Mex 32 Iso 60 ( made my first few mil in an iteron 5 hauling isogen around filling npc buy orders for 5k @ 72 or whatever) Nocx 550 (amazing that this 'artificial high' has not changed since then... with the last month's panic excluded) zydrine 6500 Mega 9000
Shuttles capped tritanium at 2.4 until 2008. When I started, veld roids in highsec were not mined at all - and with the old roid art, they were so huge they visually merged together in giant veldblobs.
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
933
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:11:00 -
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The money has always been there to manipulate the market like this, but getting all those involved sailing in the right direction has always been the tricky part.
The changes made and still to come by CCP just made it easier for the marketeers to pull in the same direction instead of against each other. My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
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clixor
Celluloid Gurus
9
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:33:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:The money has always been there to manipulate the market like this, but getting all those involved sailing in the right direction has always been the tricky part.
The changes made and still to come by CCP just made it easier for the marketeers to pull in the same direction instead of against each other.
People are going to cash in at some point. And the ones that bought in last are likely also the ones with little liquid isk who'll panic when that time comes. So prices are going to fluctuate a lot, patience is a virtue in this case. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
899
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:27:00 -
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Tauranon wrote: Shuttles capped tritanium at 2.4 until 2008. When I started, veld roids in highsec were not mined at all - and with the old roid art, they were so huge they visually merged together in giant veldblobs.
Yep, and the NPC-sold PA books capped Nocxium right around 535 ISK, which is why Nocxium could never go above that point.
(Not sure whether there are still any NPC-sold items which reprocess at competitive prices.) |
GreenSeed
35
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:47:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Tauranon wrote: Shuttles capped tritanium at 2.4 until 2008. When I started, veld roids in highsec were not mined at all - and with the old roid art, they were so huge they visually merged together in giant veldblobs.
Yep, and the NPC-sold PA books capped Nocxium right around 535 ISK, which is why Nocxium could never go above that point. (Not sure whether there are still any NPC-sold items which reprocess at competitive prices.) well, that will depend on how much mineral prices go up, with lolgeddon in a few days minerals might go up high enough to make reprocessing even crap items well worth the inverstment.
the inverstment being, having them bought off at ridiculously low prices over the last 3 months.
*crosses fingers*
*hopes for the worst*
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March rabbit
Trojan Trolls Red Alliance
167
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:40:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Ah yes, the "artificial cap" of being able to play the game the way you want, that is killing drones for minerals. People should be FORCED to boringly mine. FORCED TO.
open PLEX for yourself. buy one from CCP -> get 500 mils ISK. Profit!
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
105
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:52:00 -
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sycore101 wrote:Have i missed something here ???
About 3 or 4 weeks ago i was perhaps interested in buying another Battleship. I look today & whatthe hell .. over 200 mil for a Maelstrom, & even the others are rapidly rising in price.
What the hell is going on, i know there as to be some edit / (Nerf even) / on ore drops in the drone regions but to affect ships prices like this.
Who or what is playing with the prices, i know people like to have their laughs in this game but really extortionism.
What the hell happened People
Sorry bout that .. meant to say nerf not buff
You do know that ships are built from minerals right?
Minerals have doubled in price so ships will follow suit.
If you think it is bad now wait until HULKAGEDDON is in full swing as that traditionally causes a 40-60% temporary inflation.
Spend the 200 mil as in another month it will probably be over 300 mil.
There are several things driving mineral prices up right now. The drone POO nerf is a big one, combined with the massive BOT bannings,(many of the high sec minerals were supplied by bots, this supply has now dropped), And finally the coming of hulkageddon, it always drives prices up every year.
I expect it will take at least 6 months for prices to drop to a stable level. No idea what that level will be compared to what it was but I expect the average BS price to be 30-40% higher than it was a few months ago. It will most likely take another 6 months to get that low though. |
supr3m3justic3
Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY
25
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Posted - 2012.04.28 00:09:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:sycore101 wrote:Have i missed something here ???
About 3 or 4 weeks ago i was perhaps interested in buying another Battleship. I look today & whatthe hell .. over 200 mil for a Maelstrom, & even the others are rapidly rising in price.
What the hell is going on, i know there as to be some edit / (Nerf even) / on ore drops in the drone regions but to affect ships prices like this.
Who or what is playing with the prices, i know people like to have their laughs in this game but really extortionism.
What the hell happened People
Sorry bout that .. meant to say nerf not buff You do know that ships are built from minerals right? Minerals have doubled in price so ships will follow suit. If you think it is bad now wait until HULKAGEDDON is in full swing as that traditionally causes a 40-60% temporary inflation. Spend the 200 mil as in another month it will probably be over 300 mil. There are several things driving mineral prices up right now. The drone POO nerf is a big one, combined with the massive BOT bannings,(many of the high sec minerals were supplied by bots, this supply has now dropped), And finally the coming of hulkageddon, it always drives prices up every year. I expect it will take at least 6 months for prices to drop to a stable level. No idea what that level will be compared to what it was but I expect the average BS price to be 30-40% higher than it was a few months ago. It will most likely take another 6 months to get that low though.
They prob. wont drop back to what they were, unless CCP does something about, I can tell you right now whats going to happen. New players are going to quit before they get started, Old players are going to quit from being tired, and pvper's will stop losing/buying Mods/Ships, then indy guys will have no sells to go on. its not really that hard to predic't...like i said, unless CCP steps in....i head GW2 is supposed to be good :/ |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
58
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Posted - 2012.04.28 07:42:00 -
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supr3m3justic3 wrote:
They prob. wont drop back to what they were, unless CCP does something about, I can tell you right now whats going to happen. New players are going to quit before they get started, Old players are going to quit from being tired, and pvper's will stop losing/buying Mods/Ships, then indy guys will have no sells to go on. its not really that hard to predic't...like i said, unless CCP steps in....i head GW2 is supposed to be good :/
Battlecruisers (common pvp hulls) are showing almost entirely inelastic prices - even the margins have been preserved in manufacturing. ie current pricing is not changing player behavior in the short term. |
Wingnuut
Two Brothers Mining Corp. GIANTSBANE.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.28 17:33:00 -
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Tamarana wrote:The analysis about the reason of the spike in prices are mainly wrong. The main reason is Incursions Farming. The ISKs from Incursions drip in the general EVE economy and force all prices up. There is no real reduction of mineral production (just look at the chart of Jita). If the reason would be less minerals, the prices of minerals would spike but the prices of other stuff, like pos modules, fuel, T2 and T3 ships, would stay still or fall. More ISK would go to buy minerals and less would go in buying moon materials, Sleeper stuff, fuel for POS, Planetari Industrial products.
They all are growing in the same similar way, so the reason could only be ingection of liquidity in the market.
Ben Bernanke is now controlling the EVE ISK faucets and is printing, printing.
T2 is changing because the tech market has a cartel atm, that raises the price of building t2 gear thats the cause of that spike. |
qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
12
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Posted - 2012.04.28 17:50:00 -
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supr3m3justic3 wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:sycore101 wrote:Have i missed something here ???
About 3 or 4 weeks ago i was perhaps interested in buying another Battleship. I look today & whatthe hell .. over 200 mil for a Maelstrom, & even the others are rapidly rising in price.
What the hell is going on, i know there as to be some edit / (Nerf even) / on ore drops in the drone regions but to affect ships prices like this.
Who or what is playing with the prices, i know people like to have their laughs in this game but really extortionism.
What the hell happened People
Sorry bout that .. meant to say nerf not buff You do know that ships are built from minerals right? Minerals have doubled in price so ships will follow suit. If you think it is bad now wait until HULKAGEDDON is in full swing as that traditionally causes a 40-60% temporary inflation. Spend the 200 mil as in another month it will probably be over 300 mil. There are several things driving mineral prices up right now. The drone POO nerf is a big one, combined with the massive BOT bannings,(many of the high sec minerals were supplied by bots, this supply has now dropped), And finally the coming of hulkageddon, it always drives prices up every year. I expect it will take at least 6 months for prices to drop to a stable level. No idea what that level will be compared to what it was but I expect the average BS price to be 30-40% higher than it was a few months ago. It will most likely take another 6 months to get that low though. They prob. wont drop back to what they were, unless CCP does something about, I can tell you right now whats going to happen. New players are going to quit before they get started, Old players are going to quit from being tired, and pvper's will stop losing/buying Mods/Ships, then indy guys will have no sells to go on. its not really that hard to predic't...like i said, unless CCP steps in....i head GW2 is supposed to be good :/
supr3m3justic3 : WHY would this cause ANY problems for new players? Now the new players have to mine 10 hours instead of 25 to buy a shiny T2 fitted T2 cruiser with all gadgets? Price for T1 BPO's are the same, price for skillbooks are the same, and the time to mine minerals for an Osprey or Scythe is the same.
You used to get 1 T2 fitted, unrigged Tempest for 1 PLEX. Today, even at inflated prices, you can get 3 T2 fitted rigged Tempests for 1 PLEX, so people plexing instead of Grinding won't be hurt either.
The ONLY people that are hurting over this are people with stuffed wallets that do not want to mine or produce any of the toys they use, because they are SPECIAL and should not have to labor... |
Lee Anderson
EVE Portal INC Portal INC
44
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Posted - 2012.04.29 05:36:00 -
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Irisa Selenia wrote:You can start enjoying your 400 million isk abaddons pretty soon. Still cheap, but ok :) http://eveportal.net Great site for Mission Reports and more.
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Lee Anderson
EVE Portal INC Portal INC
44
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Posted - 2012.04.29 05:44:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Ah yes, the "artificial cap" of being able to play the game the way you want, that is killing drones for minerals. People should be FORCED to boringly mine. FORCED TO.
You are not forced to mine, or go to null sec. Many are making a lot of ISK on these changes and hardly ever undock. By brining mining and industry to parity with shooting rats, players are being given more options, not less. Example of what you said "hardly undocking" i can do better and never undock :) +1 http://eveportal.net Great site for Mission Reports and more.
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Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
28
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Posted - 2012.04.29 09:06:00 -
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lol scrubs complaining about expensive t1 hulls.
I want a new titan in pink and revenant...running out of supercaphulls to buy. thanks ccp for tech. |
Darth Snuggles
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:10:00 -
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sycore101 wrote:Have i missed something here ???
About 3 or 4 weeks ago i was perhaps interested in buying another Battleship. I look today & whatthe hell .. over 200 mil for a Maelstrom, & even the others are rapidly rising in price.
What the hell is going on, i knwo there as to be some edit / (Nerf even) / on ore drops in the drone regions but to affect ships prices like this.
Who or what is playing with the prices, i know people like to have their laughs in this game but really extortionism.
What the hell happend People
Sorry bout that .. meant to say nerf not buff
The Butthurt is strong in this one... |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
151
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Posted - 2012.04.29 19:16:00 -
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Just wait till it all crashes? There is a lot happening right now that affects everything from the bottom line on up and is causing prices to rise drastically in all areas. Expect it to continue for awhile unabated then take a drastic downturn as things get back to normal.
tl;dr: buying ships is going to be perhaps a bit pricey for awhile. Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude. |
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