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Minoco
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Posted - 2008.11.27 05:55:00 -
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It is bad enough we've had to put up with the monsters that are minmatar gates, effectively reducing the ability to force people into combat @ gates, but now not only are webs far less effective, (but general speed not overly nerfed, mostly hac speed tanking capabilities) we also get gates that are even bigger?
Is this an attempt to limit solo pvp, encouraging blobs? Because let us face it, even 2 dictor bubbles cannot fully cover these gates, not to mention how easy it is to escape in lowsec now @ getting back to gate or simply landing 50km away and warping before anything can tackle you.
Exept if you're an outlaw in which case i guess small ships "might" still make it, unlikely though and even in that case a proper tank + mwd=you get back to gate.
Limiting non-consensuel PvP engagements with huge stargates is ****. And while you're at it, sizing those gigantic minmatar gates down also would be good.
(Not to mention the new stargates look like ****, money well spent, NOT(not as important as the gameplay hinderance though))
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.11.27 06:10:00 -
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Agreed. The new region border gates should be downsized some. They promote larger gang sizes because you need 2-3 and more tackling ships to cover one in losec... And that I don't like.
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Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.27 06:19:00 -
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have you considered that that might be exactly why they are so huge?
you shouldn't be able to effectively cover a whole gate with bubbles.
there is now an element of luck in your camping. you must hope they arrive in the right quadrant of the gate to get hit by your bubbles.
think of it as a new form of spice, to your otherwise dreary existence of mindlessly shooting everyone who comes though the gate without a cloak. - PvPers always say "GB2WoW". the message is that EVE is hard, and people just need to deal with it. wasn't it funny how when nano's started making it hard for *them*, that all went out the window? |
Minoco
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Posted - 2008.11.27 06:24:00 -
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I have considered if that is the true purpose, but they are simply deluded then as per my above arguments.
The only thing these huge stargates will do, aside from messing with all kind of gate pvp aspects(0.0 and high/lowsec), is favour blobs above solo players more heavily than already. More should be better obviously, but more efforts to boost blob vs solo is against previous CCP statements regarding encouraging small scale pvp.
And I do not think we need more "luck" based aspects in this game either to make that clear.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente The Antikythera Mechanism
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Posted - 2008.11.27 07:33:00 -
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am not in favor of, the new gates are good, they add flavor to the game and make camping actually take some strategy besides, fly in drop bubble, kill stuff. Maybe you should just go camp other gates. __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions! |
Minoco
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Posted - 2008.11.27 08:35:00 -
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Encouraging blobbing is=taking more strategy?
You just revealed what type of player you are. I have/do both, yet it is precisely to enable different playstyles that these gates should be re-sized.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente The Antikythera Mechanism
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Posted - 2008.11.27 09:26:00 -
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so you encourage multiple playstyles....by making everything the same...yeah. and no, I'm not an alliance *****, more corp has 4 people in it. I have no chance of camping a regional or any other gate for that matter. but seriously, CCP didn't make all the gates larger, if you want to camp a critical chokepoint it should be harder, go find a smaller gate, or go to catch, where every gate is a chokepoint. __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions! |
Minoco
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Posted - 2008.11.27 09:46:00 -
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They changed alot of gates yes. And as you seem to have missed, this is not only about being able to camp gates or not. It effects most PvP situations, seeing how most pvp situations take place on gates thus removing the likelyness of non consensual pvp situations.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.11.27 10:01:00 -
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oh noes no easy kills any more, lets cry a bit in forums om nom nom!
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Titanicus Moronus
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Posted - 2008.11.27 11:18:00 -
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I believe these larger gates are around key systems, which should naturally be harder to 'camp' just like it would be harder to cover an entire interstate instead of a small road, takes more tactical thought and effort....
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.11.27 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Minoco They changed alot of gates yes. And as you seem to have missed, this is not only about being able to camp gates or not. It effects most PvP situations, seeing how most pvp situations take place on gates thus removing the likelyness of non consensual pvp situations.
Those big gates are only at region and empire borders. Just stay away from there then and go back one hop deeper into the region to plan to camp.
Don't cry just because you can't adapt, geez, it's sad that a carebear has to tell you that.
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Minoco
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Posted - 2008.11.27 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Minoco on 27/11/2008 11:37:47 It is not only regional gates that are oversized giants, titanicus. As for the trolls, go suck a rifter.
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Daevonar
Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.11.27 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Minoco Edited by: Minoco on 27/11/2008 11:37:47 It is not only regional gates that are oversized giants, titanicus. As for the trolls, go suck a rifter.
Regional and Empire border gates are bigger, constellations gates are the same as they were, and all other gates smaller, at least going by the minmatar gates anyway... so some are bigger, more are smaller, and some are the same size.
Dae.
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Terraform
Gallente Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2008.11.27 14:55:00 -
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my favorite part of these kind of whines is that they almost always include the phrase "but a dictor bubble can't cover it" which would mean,, that you are infact not soloing anything, unless you're pvping in a dictor or heavy dictor.
I'm so amazed what people whine about, be it ships that align too fast, being unable to engage that poor noob in his new badger when he's doing his lvl 2 courier missions or basically just grieving people.
How about you just find someone who's actually willing to PVP instead of relying on people to "accidently" fall close enough to you to engage in your "non-consensual PVP".
Or is it too much of a challenge to actually find people who knows what they're doing in a fight rather than just ganking noobs in frigs and t1-setup cruisers?
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Minoco
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Posted - 2008.11.29 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Terraform my favorite part of these kind of whines is that they almost always include the phrase "but a dictor bubble can't cover it" which would mean,, that you are infact not soloing anything, unless you're pvping in a dictor or heavy dictor.
I'm so amazed what people whine about, be it ships that align too fast, being unable to engage that poor noob in his new badger when he's doing his lvl 2 courier missions or basically just grieving people.
How about you just find someone who's actually willing to PVP instead of relying on people to "accidently" fall close enough to you to engage in your "non-consensual PVP".
Or is it too much of a challenge to actually find people who knows what they're doing in a fight rather than just ganking noobs in frigs and t1-setup cruisers?
Aren't you mr. bigshot leet PVPer? How about you buy a pair of glasses and read what actually was said, try thinking outside that pretty pink bubble of yours for once.
And no a dictor bubble will not cover it, neither will even 2 x t1 large mobile bubbles (when talking regional gates now), which again for the semi-******ed readers this op seems to have attracted, is not what this solely is about, but hey I can repeat it 100 times to no avail.
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Nephilius
Caldari General Taktiks and Holdings
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Posted - 2008.11.29 15:00:00 -
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Now how am I supposed to have any sympathy for this plight? Adapt and overcome. Or cry to your mommy with a skinned knee. Your call.
Forcing people into a fight that they don't want is rather low to me, and there is about zero honor in that. Then again, I don't expect anyone who is a gateganker to really get that concept. Figure out a way to adjust to this new obstacle, and not only will you learn something, the challenge might actually be somewhat fun again. I don't see how anyone can have fun with guaranteed ganks.
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Reatu Krentor
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.11.29 15:51:00 -
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so... camp a smaller gate? Many more of them around then of the big ones. -- stuff -- |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.11.29 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Minoco And no a dictor bubble will not cover regional gates, neither will even 2 x t1 large mobile bubbles (when talking regional gates now), which again for the semi-******ed readers this op seems to have attracted, is not what this solely is about, but hey I can repeat that 100 times to no avail.
I once tried to blockade an 8-field superhighway with my VW from '45, but they just kept driving past. *wawawa*
Guess it's back to camping backwater forest paths...
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Daevonar
Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.11.29 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Daevonar on 29/11/2008 17:46:03 Minoko, all the ones in between systems in the same constellation are smaller, they look like portals with a fram in the middle, hard to see how they could make them much smaller than that really...
and I also kinda agree with the other people here, having interdiction sphere's should not garuantee that you get to stop every single person coming through a gate from warping until they clear your bubbles... not unless your doing some serious teamwork.
and one more thing... I like the look of the new gates, I think they are better than the ones they had before. Dae.
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Minoco
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Posted - 2008.11.29 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Minoco on 29/11/2008 19:11:22 Holy batman and robin! Repeating what other people i already replied to posted makes it more true and adds constructively to the debate? c/d?
No, those gates (the non regional) are not all exact the same size as those they replaced. I urge you to travel more, have a look at which positions new stargates have been added and compare them to the old gates.
And lol @ the gateganker comments. (I should know better than feeding the trolls but hey I am bored)
Anyone frequently PVPing knows that most engagements occur around gates, even sov wars often have gate action. Thus the gate size changing certainly is an issue, especially for solo players in lowsec/highsec where you cannot even drop a bubble (which these people commenting rather would've reduced to 5km radius so they can escape when they jump in their haulers into 0.0.).
Finally this is not a thread about my ability or lack thereof to adapt, it is about the sudden size increase in many various gates around new eden and why that is bad and again to repeat myself #9999 not only the regional gates.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente The Antikythera Mechanism
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Posted - 2008.11.29 19:19:00 -
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everyone likes the new gates but you, no one here is whining but you. The gates are fine, adapt or die, and if you choose the latter then I'll be glad to take your stuff __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions! |
Minoco
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Posted - 2008.11.29 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Minoco on 29/11/2008 19:36:27 Edited by: Minoco on 29/11/2008 19:32:06 Well, aside from the top guy right after me then yes alot of pvpers do not like the new gates.
You can recently find several threads around where people who actually Pvp (not you betting my old hat here) discuss the changes, see this thread for instance: Here
Now basically STFU if you have nothing new to add nikita thxkbye.
Edit: URL fail. Edit2: While re-reading thread it just deals with the part-reason why the increase in size is bad (namely less effective webbers and nealry as fast frigs/ships fit with mwd but no speedmods).
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James Malice
Gallente concord capsuleer command and control
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Posted - 2008.11.29 19:32:00 -
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Adapt or die
/thread
Originally by: MooKids I like them, I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
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Minoco
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Posted - 2008.11.29 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: James Malice Adapt or die
/thread
Do not fret, you will still die my dear troll.
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James Malice
Gallente concord capsuleer command and control
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Posted - 2008.11.29 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Minoco
Originally by: James Malice Adapt or die
/thread
Do not fret, you will still die my dear troll.
I'm sure i will, but you'll have to scram me on a super gate first. XD
Originally by: MooKids I like them, I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente The Antikythera Mechanism
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Posted - 2008.11.29 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Nikita Alterana on 29/11/2008 19:44:48 hmmm, continuing to rant when no one listens...inability to make proper arguments...claims to pvp but is in a 1 man mining corp...mindlessly babysitting the thread...
my troll senses are tingling. __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions! |
Minoco
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Posted - 2008.11.29 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Minoco on 29/11/2008 20:01:05 Edited by: Minoco on 29/11/2008 19:59:07 By your standards i am a debate-god. That people in this particular section of the forums *mostly* do not agree, does NOT make me wrong. If you are so right and i am so wrong, surely you'd be able to figure out better arguments, yet your chief argument is "adapt or die", sorry that was not you. Your argument was meaningless rhetoric ("so you encourage multiple playstyles....by making everything the same...yeah") combined with "go camp elsewhere".
Now please hire a PI to try and troll more, while avoiding the actual issue.
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James Malice
Gallente concord capsuleer command and control
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Minoco Edited by: Minoco on 29/11/2008 20:01:05 Edited by: Minoco on 29/11/2008 19:59:07 By your standards i am a debate-god. That people in this particular section of the forums *mostly* do not agree, does NOT make me wrong. If you are so right and i am so wrong, surely you'd be able to figure out better arguments, yet your chief argument is "adapt or die", sorry that was not you. Your argument was meaningless rhetoric ("so you encourage multiple playstyles....by making everything the same...yeah") combined with "go camp elsewhere".
Now please hire a PI to try and troll more, while avoiding the actual issue.
Ok, i'll troll more as per your request.
Adapt ot die. and use your main.
Originally by: MooKids I like them, I have an elite rating in HULL TANKING! That is like saying I can block punches with my face.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente The Antikythera Mechanism
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:04:00 -
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alright you want something else: the new system gates are smaller for the Amarr and the minmatar. there are no new gates except the regional gates for the caldari and gallente. there are plenty of gates that are the same size. find them, camp them, or gtfo. the only gates that are bigger are the regional gates, and the inter-empire gates. I know, I've flown them. Your argument is flawed, the gates are fine. Now, adapt or get out. __________________________________________________ I was Amarr before they were the FOTM and I'll be Amarr after it! I'm also training Minmatar Capitals! And I eat Lions! |
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