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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.11.28 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dyaven How exactly does one kill a Falcon?
Very carefully
With a Mothership
Or a dread in siege mode
Or just wait till it pops up and use a force recon to pod that ******* back home.
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SheriffFruitfly
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.28 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: SheriffFruitfly on 28/11/2008 21:36:13 By whining like a whiny @ss t|tty baby until ccp nerfs the last thing that makes caldari useful. __________________________________________________________
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.
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Posted - 2008.11.28 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: The Tzar
Inty can still be on the killmail by firing a gun when greater than 150km as it wont be agro'd by sentries ...
I doubt he'll be able to lock far enough to sneak on a killmail
Still the best way probably, as it gives the falcon pilot something to worry about the whole time he's uncloaked, bumping also helps if the inty gets jammed.
The cloaked recons work great if you have something aligned with his spot and can get close with bookmarks, they also are a pain to jam due to their natural sensor strength.
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Aleus Stygian
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Posted - 2008.11.28 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah How about a Rokh, 3 ECCMs, sensor boosters, and 425mm rails?
How about a pilgrim sneaking up on it, fitted with ECCM's?
How about letting a cov ops make a warp in and warp in a dictor to hold it in place and let drones do their work?
First case: It warps off, so no kill. Not valid.
Second case: I fly a Pilgrim as one of my main gankboats. Do you know how ****ing hard this is, or how long it takes? Not to mention that asking a Pilgrim pilot to slap on ECCM is going to irritate him a good bit. I know it would irritate me. The sensor strength is there for a reason, and if I want to increase it I'll use a rig, since my mids are vital for survivability and usefulness to a gang.
Third case: This is the most viable option, but it takes long and is certainly not something for every situation. Lots of Falcons come with bodyguards, most significantly.
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.11.28 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lilith Velkor The cloaked recons work great if you have something aligned with his spot and can get close with bookmarks, they also are a pain to jam due to their natural sensor strength.
No need to jam the falcon just reduce its locking range, what is so hard for people to understand to counter a force recon you can use another force recon. Is it that you useless people don't fly some of the more different ships?
I have been in gangs and most of the cookie cut, fit guns, fit MWD, fit tackle, ok ready. Try using something a little different.
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Talon Calais
Gallente Diplomatic Disruption Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.11.28 23:47:00 -
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1.) Eos 2.) Information Warfare Link - Sensor Integrity 3.) Information Warfare Mindlink 4.) ???? 5.) Profit.
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Sweet Laylah
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Posted - 2008.11.29 00:23:00 -
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Chase it with a vaga and bump it until it fails a jam, or your drones kill it. |
Sweet Laylah
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Posted - 2008.11.29 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sweet Laylah on 29/11/2008 00:24:51 double post |
Mortuus
Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.11.29 02:42:00 -
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I like to kill them with my Vaga, just bump and wait for a failed jam or for your friends to warp to you.
Other option, get your own Falcon (preferred method) and just jam him as soon as he decloaks. It then becomes a game of who brought more Falcons.
ECCM isn't reasonable, it takes up to much slot space for too small of a gain to make it worthwhile, though I would definitely use it if it took a highslot...I usually have some of those sitting around doing nothing.
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Aleus Stygian
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Posted - 2008.11.29 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sweet Laylah Chase it with a vaga and bump it until it fails a jam, or your drones kill it.
Originally by: Mortuus I like to kill them with my Vaga, just bump and wait for a failed jam or for your friends to warp to you.
Other option, get your own Falcon (preferred method) and just jam him as soon as he decloaks. It then becomes a game of who brought more Falcons.
ECCM isn't reasonable, it takes up to much slot space for too small of a gain to make it worthwhile, though I would definitely use it if it took a highslot...I usually have some of those sitting around doing nothing.
I didn't know you could fit warp disruption field generators on Vagabonds. Or that their drone range was past 100 km. Suddenly, they've gained an all-new flair in my eyes.
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If, in a battle between equal forces, the best or single sure counter to a ship is just more of the same ship, then it's broken. If, in a battle between equal forces, the best or single sure counter to a mechanic is just more of the same mechanic, it's broken. This might sound repetitive and unoriginal, but it doesn't change the fact that it's true.
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Hakar Eyeless
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Posted - 2008.11.29 03:19:00 -
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You guys are crazy. Falcons are a nice force multiplier, but they aren't hard to drive off the field. Fleets typically have a fair number of ships specifically dedicated to killing them.
If you run into one in a gate camp, run away. You shouldn't be able to kill every ship in every situation.
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Mona X
Caldari Polish Task Forces C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.11.29 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aleus Stygian
I didn't know you could fit warp disruption field generators on Vagabonds. Or that their drone range was past 100 km. Suddenly, they've gained an all-new flair in my eyes.
Fail sarcasm is fail.
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Mortuus
Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.11.29 04:05:00 -
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So far this week I have nailed 2 Falcons with my Vaga and forced another to run.
Learn to play?
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arbiter reformed
Minmatar Systematic Chaos.
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Posted - 2008.11.29 04:57:00 -
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hope that you fly a double sensor boosted zealot and they jump through a gate and dont press cloak fast enough? yes it has happend:)
but seriously ull only ever kill a falcon when he jumps thru a gate, and that is rare as it is, any good falcon pilot/alt/second alt/ third alt/fourth alt will no when to get out of any other situation even jumping through a gate theyll live 90% of the time !!!!
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Aleus Stygian
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Posted - 2008.11.29 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus So far this week I have nailed 2 Falcons with my Vaga and forced another to run.
Learn to play?
In what situations, I ask? If I look up the killmails, will there be clues as to sensor damps, enemy fire at you while you were killing them, or indications of how much these pilots were idiots not to align and warp off when you got within 20 km?
Learn to think before you speak.
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Mortuus
Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.11.29 05:52:00 -
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Your job is to force it off or kill it. Either one is a win.
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Dramaan
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Posted - 2008.11.29 06:07:00 -
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You can kill falcons whit destroyer an interdictor. Ceptor is nice chose but a interdictor will have more dps and a destoryer is cheaper to lose if you plan fails so start whit destroyer and set up good setup for the ship.
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Munio Veritas
Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2008.11.29 06:09:00 -
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How does one kill that which is unlockable?
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Dramaan
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Posted - 2008.11.29 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Munio Veritas How does one kill that which is unlockable?
right go back to school.
you obius lack the abilty to setup a good setup.
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Barsexual
Castle Greyskull
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Posted - 2008.11.29 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus So far this week I have nailed 2 Falcons with my Vaga and forced another to run.
Learn to play?
just with a vagabond? yeah right http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Mortuus&id=5258202&page=1&filter=kills#mail
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Mortuus&id=5264175&page=1&filter=kills#mail
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.29 06:40:00 -
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1x ceptor 1x droneboat cruiser [center]
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.11.29 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Barsexual
Originally by: Mortuus So far this week I have nailed 2 Falcons with my Vaga and forced another to run.
Learn to play?
just with a vagabond? yeah right http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Mortuus&id=5258202&page=1&filter=kills#mail
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Mortuus&id=5264175&page=1&filter=kills#mail
You're trying to prove it takes a falcon to kill a falcon? Parrots, commence!
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.29 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Barsexual
Originally by: Mortuus So far this week I have nailed 2 Falcons with my Vaga and forced another to run.
Learn to play?
just with a vagabond? yeah right http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Mortuus&id=5258202&page=1&filter=kills#mail
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Mortuus&id=5264175&page=1&filter=kills#mail
You're trying to prove it takes a falcon to kill a falcon?
It does not take a falcon to kill a falcon, but considering ppl are crying about the falcon being a "OMG IMMUNE UNKILLBLE PERMAJAM PWN SHIP" id say 2 kill mails show clearly it is not.
It got caught and it died TWICE, so much for a overpowered, cloaking, permajamming 200km, unkillable, warps off if threatened ubership.....
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Neyro7830
Gallente Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.
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Posted - 2008.11.29 09:43:00 -
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Sneak up on it with a Stealth Bomber. ___ I cannot be held responsible for the above post, because apparently,my cat has learned to type. :3 |
King Hopy
Interstellar eXodus Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.29 11:46:00 -
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Also you can just use ECCM and projected ECCM and laugh at the falcon (valid when u got bigger ships). The funny thing is that if the other gang has a few falcons they think they will totally pwn you. Welcome my 200 sensor str guardian and good luck jamming it.
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Aleus Stygian
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Posted - 2008.11.29 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Aleus Stygian on 29/11/2008 12:32:21
Originally by: Mortuus Your job is to force it off or kill it. Either one is a win.
That's not an answer.
Originally by: Neyro7830 Sneak up on it with a Stealth Bomber.
Hello! Welcome to post-missile patch EvE! How may I help you today?
What's that? A Stealth Bomber that works, you say? No, I'm afraid that's impossible. Missile formula and fittings, you see. No, I'm afraid you're just going to have to fill out these forms, take a number and queue up a few electronics skills to learn Recon Ships. Please call back in a month; we might have seen enough ridiculousness and ****ed off people to start reconsidering this failure then.
Have a nice day!
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Elite Qin
Caldari APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2008.11.29 16:34:00 -
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Kill it with fire
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baltec1
R.U.S.T. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.29 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Aleus Stygian Edited by: Aleus Stygian on 29/11/2008 12:32:21
Originally by: Mortuus Your job is to force it off or kill it. Either one is a win.
That's not an answer.
Originally by: Neyro7830 Sneak up on it with a Stealth Bomber.
Hello! Welcome to post-missile patch EvE! How may I help you today?
What's that? A Stealth Bomber that works, you say? No, I'm afraid that's impossible. Missile formula and fittings, you see. No, I'm afraid you're just going to have to fill out these forms, take a number and queue up a few electronics skills to learn Recon Ships. Please call back in a month; we might have seen enough ridiculousness and ****ed off people to start reconsidering this failure then.
Have a nice day!
Missile nerf hasnt hit me at all. It still takes 3-4 vollies to kill a falcon. I could probably still fit a warp disrutor too and get away with falcon kills.
It was quite amusing on vent saying "I have point on the falcon get some ships to warp to me" followed by my FC saying "HACs to that crazy bomber".
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Cardoh Dycen
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Posted - 2008.11.29 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus
Learn to play?
QFT!
Seriously, all this whining from people who don't know how to play. In the history of most MMOs there have been very few situations where something was truly overpowered. Almost every time it's simply noobs who suck and are trying to blame game mechanics for their own shortcomings. Here's a life lesson: If you're playing an MMO and constantly get killed by a game mechanic, then it's you that sucks. If you can't adapt to different situations, then CRY MORE NOOB.
Now more to the particular topic. Falcons are not unkillable. It was just like nano gangs. They weren't unkillable either, even before QR. You simply had to adapt and understand that they were really good at what they did. A good pilot will be the reason you lose, not broken game mechanics.
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daisy dook
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Posted - 2008.11.29 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mortuus ECCM isn't reasonable, it takes up to much slot space for too small of a gain to make it worthwhile, though I would definitely use it if it took a highslot...I usually have some of those sitting around doing nothing.
ECCM is not reasonable?
So being out of a fight because your jammed is such a small risk that it doesn't warrant a slot? No wonder Falcons are considered over powered if people think that using the counter measure is unreasonable.
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