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Ryco
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Posted - 2004.07.12 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Katya Detia The insurance replaces the mineral cost of this ship. If the insurance was upped... then players could build them, insurance and then kill for more money... The problem is people holding monopolys of the market.. Once afew more people get there hands on cepters... things will start to sort out.
Wrong. A big part of tech 2 ship cost is component cost. Such a scheme would result in little to no profit. Besides, you get more in return for selling the ship because you dont have to pay an insurance premium in order to commit insurance fraud. But just in case they ever did make insurance dynamic, a player should only get back 75% of market value for their loss.
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Ryco
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Posted - 2004.07.12 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Katya Detia The insurance replaces the mineral cost of this ship. If the insurance was upped... then players could build them, insurance and then kill for more money... The problem is people holding monopolys of the market.. Once afew more people get there hands on cepters... things will start to sort out.
Wrong. A big part of tech 2 ship cost is component cost. Such a scheme would result in little to no profit. Besides, you get more in return for selling the ship because you dont have to pay an insurance premium in order to commit insurance fraud. But just in case they ever did make insurance dynamic, a player should only get back 75% of market value for their loss.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.12 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zarquon Beeblebrox No! Dont fix it. Its perfectly as it is now.
We dont want everyone and their kids to fly around in a "hahaha the insurence payed for my interceptor, ill be right back to scramble you again"
Oh and by the way, make all ship insurences as bad as the interceptor is now. That would bring back some exitement to the game. The fear of actualy loosing something.
Oh and one more thing, can we have a timelimit from you die until you can activate your new clone ? Make it so that it takes about 15 minutes from your poded to you are back in your clone.
My idea is for each player to have a "safety record".. insurance would cost like now.. but would only last for let say 2 weeks. If you don't blow your ship in these 2 weeks, your next insurance would be at half the price.. or such.. But if you are losing a lot of ships.. your insurance price will go up.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.12 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zarquon Beeblebrox No! Dont fix it. Its perfectly as it is now.
We dont want everyone and their kids to fly around in a "hahaha the insurence payed for my interceptor, ill be right back to scramble you again"
Oh and by the way, make all ship insurences as bad as the interceptor is now. That would bring back some exitement to the game. The fear of actualy loosing something.
Oh and one more thing, can we have a timelimit from you die until you can activate your new clone ? Make it so that it takes about 15 minutes from your poded to you are back in your clone.
My idea is for each player to have a "safety record".. insurance would cost like now.. but would only last for let say 2 weeks. If you don't blow your ship in these 2 weeks, your next insurance would be at half the price.. or such.. But if you are losing a lot of ships.. your insurance price will go up.
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.12 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ryco
Originally by: Arud if you buy a car for lets say $5000 while its actualy worth $500, it gets trashed, do you expect the insurance company to pay you $5000 ?
An insurance company would insure the car at the going rate for said car. So if everyone in the world started paying $5,000 for a $500 car you would get it insured at $5,000. Thats why the insurance is busted. It really should be dynamic, based on the going rate of ships on the market. Personally, I think it should be gotten rid of based on the risk factor. You cant get a race car insured, but you can get a BS that is more then likely to be blown to bits insured? If CCP were an insurance company they would have gone bankrupt on day one.
that opens up for exploits lets say the average price for a crow is 15m, cost to build one is 5m, you buy insurance for 4m which gives you back 15m, thats 6m in proffit, though you could just sell it for 15m and make 10m proffit but anyhooow :P
What I would much rather see along with the average price idea are discounts, so if you have good standing towards the insuranse corp you get cheaper insurance, if you loose your ship your standings towards that corp drops. That way ships become valuable again because the more ships you loose the more expensive it is to insure them.
With time the bad standings gets back to normal and you can also do agient missions for the corp to rise your standing.
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.12 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ryco
Originally by: Arud if you buy a car for lets say $5000 while its actualy worth $500, it gets trashed, do you expect the insurance company to pay you $5000 ?
An insurance company would insure the car at the going rate for said car. So if everyone in the world started paying $5,000 for a $500 car you would get it insured at $5,000. Thats why the insurance is busted. It really should be dynamic, based on the going rate of ships on the market. Personally, I think it should be gotten rid of based on the risk factor. You cant get a race car insured, but you can get a BS that is more then likely to be blown to bits insured? If CCP were an insurance company they would have gone bankrupt on day one.
that opens up for exploits lets say the average price for a crow is 15m, cost to build one is 5m, you buy insurance for 4m which gives you back 15m, thats 6m in proffit, though you could just sell it for 15m and make 10m proffit but anyhooow :P
What I would much rather see along with the average price idea are discounts, so if you have good standing towards the insuranse corp you get cheaper insurance, if you loose your ship your standings towards that corp drops. That way ships become valuable again because the more ships you loose the more expensive it is to insure them.
With time the bad standings gets back to normal and you can also do agient missions for the corp to rise your standing.
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Valrandir
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Posted - 2004.07.12 14:05:00 -
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Rather, we need a Insurrange Overhaul, after the missiles and drones overhaul.
A system where the price goes up when we lose a ship, goes down when we don't, etc. --------------------------------
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Valrandir
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Posted - 2004.07.12 14:05:00 -
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Rather, we need a Insurrange Overhaul, after the missiles and drones overhaul.
A system where the price goes up when we lose a ship, goes down when we don't, etc. --------------------------------
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.07.12 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Katya Detia The insurance replaces the mineral cost of this ship. If the insurance was upped... then players could build them, insurance and then kill for more money... The problem is people holding monopolys of the market.. Once afew more people get there hands on cepters... things will start to sort out.
There is no monopoly. There is enough blueprints, the bottleneck is the components and demand. Crows is in a very high demand, wich ups price a bit in additional to high building costs.
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2004.07.12 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Katya Detia The insurance replaces the mineral cost of this ship. If the insurance was upped... then players could build them, insurance and then kill for more money... The problem is people holding monopolys of the market.. Once afew more people get there hands on cepters... things will start to sort out.
There is no monopoly. There is enough blueprints, the bottleneck is the components and demand. Crows is in a very high demand, wich ups price a bit in additional to high building costs.
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:00:00 -
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Think I want to advertice a little for my threat about player based insurance... read it here ---------------------------------------- Buying Co-processor II bpo |
Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:00:00 -
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Think I want to advertice a little for my threat about player based insurance... read it here ---------------------------------------- Buying Co-processor II bpo |
Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:06:00 -
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The problem isn't the insurance system per se, but is more the listed 'book' value that CCP has assigned that ship. Just like in real life, if you buy a car for $5000 but it's book value is listed only at $500, you can only get $500 from the insurance. (It would be your fault for getting ripped off in the first place) So there are two possible things that can happen. CCP continues to assume that players are paying rip-off prices and leave things as they are. Or they decided that maybe interceptors are worth more than they initially thought they were, and up the 'book' value of the interceptor.
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Attrael
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:06:00 -
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The problem isn't the insurance system per se, but is more the listed 'book' value that CCP has assigned that ship. Just like in real life, if you buy a car for $5000 but it's book value is listed only at $500, you can only get $500 from the insurance. (It would be your fault for getting ripped off in the first place) So there are two possible things that can happen. CCP continues to assume that players are paying rip-off prices and leave things as they are. Or they decided that maybe interceptors are worth more than they initially thought they were, and up the 'book' value of the interceptor.
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Ryco
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Attrael The problem isn't the insurance system per se, but is more the listed 'book' value that CCP has assigned that ship. Just like in real life, if you buy a car for $5000 but it's book value is listed only at $500, you can only get $500 from the insurance. (It would be your fault for getting ripped off in the first place) So there are two possible things that can happen. CCP continues to assume that players are paying rip-off prices and leave things as they are. Or they decided that maybe interceptors are worth more than they initially thought they were, and up the 'book' value of the interceptor.
Book value is based on market demand. So CCP is artificially depreciating the value of these ships. Although they do have an inflated value on some of the lower end ships :P
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Ryco
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Attrael The problem isn't the insurance system per se, but is more the listed 'book' value that CCP has assigned that ship. Just like in real life, if you buy a car for $5000 but it's book value is listed only at $500, you can only get $500 from the insurance. (It would be your fault for getting ripped off in the first place) So there are two possible things that can happen. CCP continues to assume that players are paying rip-off prices and leave things as they are. Or they decided that maybe interceptors are worth more than they initially thought they were, and up the 'book' value of the interceptor.
Book value is based on market demand. So CCP is artificially depreciating the value of these ships. Although they do have an inflated value on some of the lower end ships :P
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ryco Book value is based on market demand. So CCP is artificially depreciating the value of these ships. Although they do have an inflated value on some of the lower end ships :P
Afaik base prices = npc mineral prices * 2
e.g. Apocalypse: 2x npc mineral price for 1apoc at a perfect build is: 112498000 and according to eve-db the base price is 112500000
At some point the problem with ceptors was that they were based on the same calculation. that is mineral prices - not takeing the components into account (or proberbly only the minerals needet for the componenets) - not sure if it is still this problem that is arround though.
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ryco Book value is based on market demand. So CCP is artificially depreciating the value of these ships. Although they do have an inflated value on some of the lower end ships :P
Afaik base prices = npc mineral prices * 2
e.g. Apocalypse: 2x npc mineral price for 1apoc at a perfect build is: 112498000 and according to eve-db the base price is 112500000
At some point the problem with ceptors was that they were based on the same calculation. that is mineral prices - not takeing the components into account (or proberbly only the minerals needet for the componenets) - not sure if it is still this problem that is arround though.
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:41:00 -
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The problem with the low insurance for Interceptors is known and being addressed. The insurance system doesn't yet recognize the value of TL2 components and as a result, doesn't pay out the proper values. This is being taken care of.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:41:00 -
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The problem with the low insurance for Interceptors is known and being addressed. The insurance system doesn't yet recognize the value of TL2 components and as a result, doesn't pay out the proper values. This is being taken care of.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:50:00 -
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thanks Kieron :)
I'd imagine insurance payouts are going to soar for some inties given the high prices of, say, the reactors used to make them.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.07.12 15:50:00 -
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thanks Kieron :)
I'd imagine insurance payouts are going to soar for some inties given the high prices of, say, the reactors used to make them.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Heidi Baker
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Posted - 2004.07.12 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: kieron The problem with the low insurance for Interceptors is known and being addressed. The insurance system doesn't yet recognize the value of TL2 components and as a result, doesn't pay out the proper values. This is being taken care of.
Thanks Kieron this was the answer I was looking for.
Fly safe ......
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Heidi Baker
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Posted - 2004.07.12 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: kieron The problem with the low insurance for Interceptors is known and being addressed. The insurance system doesn't yet recognize the value of TL2 components and as a result, doesn't pay out the proper values. This is being taken care of.
Thanks Kieron this was the answer I was looking for.
Fly safe ......
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Garramon
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Posted - 2004.07.12 18:40:00 -
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When I first bought my Interceptor the insurance was correct though. About a 2M payout for platinum. Seemed right to me. However, insurance on a new one is only about 300k payout. Very odd!
I hope you all arent whining because you dont get the price of your ship back, because they are just inflated. There is a genuine bug however, as noted above. ------------------------------------------------
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Garramon
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Posted - 2004.07.12 18:40:00 -
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When I first bought my Interceptor the insurance was correct though. About a 2M payout for platinum. Seemed right to me. However, insurance on a new one is only about 300k payout. Very odd!
I hope you all arent whining because you dont get the price of your ship back, because they are just inflated. There is a genuine bug however, as noted above. ------------------------------------------------
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.07.12 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 12/07/2004 18:43:47 Thanks for more carebear bull****, Kieron
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.07.12 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 12/07/2004 18:43:47 Thanks for more carebear bull****, Kieron
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Garramon
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Posted - 2004.07.12 18:51:00 -
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Bob, you need to think. He never said they would make insurance payouts on Crows 13M. This is a known bug because Interceptor payouts were correct at about 2M before, but now it is at 300k, for an unknown reason.
You call us carebears, I call you ignorant. ------------------------------------------------
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Garramon
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Posted - 2004.07.12 18:51:00 -
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Bob, you need to think. He never said they would make insurance payouts on Crows 13M. This is a known bug because Interceptor payouts were correct at about 2M before, but now it is at 300k, for an unknown reason.
You call us carebears, I call you ignorant. ------------------------------------------------
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