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Han Lector
Amarr R.U.S.T. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.29 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sooshie
Originally by: Catherina sforza Execlent thread I must say
Anyways you were not 3 to 1 out numbered, and its not like we brought ours cap in specially because you decided to bring a little gang to visit, we just happened to be refueling to kill more of your towers :-)
Don't play the typical Insurgence whine thread about always being out numbered, go make more friends so we both more spaceships to blow up.
Dont you be knocking insurgency. In a 1 on 1 fight they were kicking razors arse it took the entire north to give them a beat down before they started seeing any sort of help from outside alliances - and that help was not much until for some time triumvirate entered the fight for *laugh* a rather shambled efford. It took you thousands to beat down an alliance of just over one thousand. I'd say they did themself pretty good.
Gangbanging 10 on 1 allinces is NC speciality and sadly, the only way they can kill someone.
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Generally Whingeypops
Gallente THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.11.29 22:54:00 -
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How come Goodfellas sound like they're having a laugh, and Razor are all angry and smacky?
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Antibac
Gallente Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.29 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Edited by: Gumpy Nighthawk on 29/11/2008 21:59:11 Edited by: Gumpy Nighthawk on 29/11/2008 21:57:18
Originally by: Antibac This is not a good thread.
See you in Deklein soon NC, looking forward to some epic fighting :)
We were in dek today, shot multiple pos into rf, didn't see you, whats up with that?
Or do i have to see epic fights in the same context as we didn't want that space anyway?
little cosmetic edit, everything i typed is still there, just changed some words.
Wow, I post something in this thread that's not smack and end up getting flamed for it. :(
Protip: this isn't my only character...
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Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.29 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Gumpy Nighthawk on 29/11/2008 23:05:34
Originally by: Antibac
Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Edited by: Gumpy Nighthawk on 29/11/2008 21:59:11 Edited by: Gumpy Nighthawk on 29/11/2008 21:57:18
Originally by: Antibac This is not a good thread.
See you in Deklein soon NC, looking forward to some epic fighting :)
We were in dek today, shot multiple pos into rf, didn't see you, whats up with that?
Or do i have to see epic fights in the same context as we didn't want that space anyway?
little cosmetic edit, everything i typed is still there, just changed some words.
Wow, I post something in this thread that's not smack and end up getting flamed for it. :(
Protip: this isn't my only character...
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente Demonic Retribution G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.29 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 29/11/2008 23:19:47 I think some of the comments on this thread pretty much sum up the difference between the various sides, and the philosophical (good lord did I just use this term about a game, someone shoot me and pour me shots till I come to my senses!!) reason behind the fights and smack.
You'll notice a common theme from a number of NC posters;
"Outnumbered? pfff, get more friends and stop whining! Why wouldn't we get more friends in to make the fight go faster?? Sure, you didn't want that space, riiiiggghhhttt, need morale much? Hell we ain't barely shot you and you're already backpedaling!" Insert random 'you suck' comments, and there you have it.
You'll also notice a common theme from Goodfellas and Tri posters (not the same side, of course, but similar comments);
"We grabbed space looking for fights, we really couldn't care less about it. We aren't complaining about numbers, we like it!? Blob much? Why don't you 'sit in POS till you have 3-1 odds' about it?" Insert random 'you suck' comments, and there you have it.
The NC alliances, and the NC itself, seems to be born from a couple ideas:
1. Its always better to have more ships, otherwise you can't guarantee a win. 2. Holding space is an important goal in and of itself, in order to build an industrial system and give our members a place to live and space to use as they will. 3. Any percieved threat should be met with overwhelming numbers.
GF and Tri seem to be organized around a couple ideas as well:
1. Numbers are boring, and so is guaranteed victory. Sometimes, you have to roll the dice and see what happens, even if you lose. 2. Its better to stand on your own feet with no or few allies, because thats what the game is about. Screw big power blocs; better to go down fighting alone then standing in a big circle singing 'kumbaya'. 3. Space is not a goal in and of itself, and holding space is often boring. Fights first! Everything else, second.
Granted, I'm biased. But then, so are everyone in my corp and alliance . Frankly, I think massive powerblocs have made the game less fun. Epic, perhaps, but less fun for it. I'd rather see every region held by 1 or 2 alliances, and have each ganking all around them, essentially a 50 way fight across eve, rather then the way it is now.
That is the reason we don't care if we are outnumbered. Thats why you won't see us 'crying to uncle BoB' or anyone else to come save us. Thats why we truly don't care if we keep the space we have. We'll surely be fighting for it, and having fun as we do, but holding it isn't a goal in itself. We'd rather die alone then become the NC mk II, mostly because I have a terrible singing voice, and NOONE wants to hear me belt out Kumbaya...
Now, because I don't want everyone thinking I'm just sitting here all reasonable like, a little smack...
...insert random 'you suck' comments here...
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Sivonya
Minmatar SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.11.29 23:26:00 -
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what makes you think nc doesnt have fun? :) I believe you hunny, but my autocannon doesn't!!! |
Minigin
Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.29 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Minigin on 29/11/2008 23:54:35
nomnomnomnomnom i have a hardon for aegis tbh . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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FubarSF
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.11.30 00:01:00 -
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It would be nice to have one non smacky thread...But then this is COAD..
TBH, GF, TRI did U not see the fleet sizes we had in Tribute against the GBC ? Do you really think the numbers are going down just cause it's Pure Blind or Deklin ? Now that dd's seem to work, it's just going to get worse
Anyways, hopefully both sides can just agree to disagree on motives and "means to an end" and just try to enjoy the game. ANd if you see me in local, I'll try not to be an ass (can't vouch for any1 else though)
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente Demonic Retribution G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.30 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 30/11/2008 00:51:15 Edited by: Aegis Osiris on 30/11/2008 00:50:31
Originally by: Sivonya what makes you think nc doesnt have fun? :)
The NC doesn't have OUR kind of fun. That was the point.
Please train Forum Foo to lvl 1 before posting, kthnxbye!
(and yes, that was an 'insert random 'you suck' here' moment )
And Mini, right back at you sweetcheeks...
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Lord EmBra
Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.30 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aegis Osiris The NC doesn't have OUR kind of fun. That was the point.
Our kind of fun is better then your kind of fun.
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Honest Nonlabor
Amarr Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.30 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lord EmBra
Originally by: Aegis Osiris The NC doesn't have OUR kind of fun. That was the point.
Our kind of fun is better then your kind of fun.
Wait till you try MY kind of fun...
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente Demonic Retribution G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.30 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lord EmBra
Originally by: Aegis Osiris The NC doesn't have OUR kind of fun. That was the point.
Our kind of fun is better then your kind of fun.
YOUR kind of fun doesn't include drunken Endeva, emorage Sacul, and Coed Naked Goatherding (we dress up Lee for the Coed part). So...
Neener Neener Neener!! I like violet more then pink. |
Heptameron
Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.30 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Aegis Osiris The NC doesn't have OUR kind of fun. That was the point.
You must go through a whole lot of hand lotion with 'your kind of fun'....
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SATAN
Amarr BURN EDEN Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.30 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lord EmBra
Originally by: Aegis Osiris The NC doesn't have OUR kind of fun. That was the point.
Our kind of fun is better then your kind of fun.
You guys just don't get it.
Our kind of fun includes beads and plugs, no way can you have our kind of fun.
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Han Lector
Amarr R.U.S.T. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.30 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: FubarSF It would be nice to have one non smacky thread...But then this is COAD..
TBH, GF, TRI did U not see the fleet sizes we had in Tribute against the GBC ? Do you really think the numbers are going down just cause it's Pure Blind or Deklin ? Now that dd's seem to work, it's just going to get worse
Anyways, hopefully both sides can just agree to disagree on motives and "means to an end" and just try to enjoy the game. ANd if you see me in local, I'll try not to be an ass (can't vouch for any1 else though)
And you still ran away twice today, leaving wrecks all over the place.
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FubarSF
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.11.30 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Han Lector
Originally by: FubarSF It would be nice to have one non smacky thread...But then this is COAD..
TBH, GF, TRI did U not see the fleet sizes we had in Tribute against the GBC ? Do you really think the numbers are going down just cause it's Pure Blind or Deklin ? Now that dd's seem to work, it's just going to get worse
Anyways, hopefully both sides can just agree to disagree on motives and "means to an end" and just try to enjoy the game. ANd if you see me in local, I'll try not to be an ass (can't vouch for any1 else though)
And you still ran away twice today, leaving wrecks all over the place.
Yes you won today. There's always tomorrow :)
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minermonkey
Caldari H A V O C Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.30 05:51:00 -
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Edited by: minermonkey on 30/11/2008 05:51:26
Originally by: FubarSF
Originally by: Han Lector
Originally by: FubarSF It would be nice to have one non smacky thread...But then this is COAD..
TBH, GF, TRI did U not see the fleet sizes we had in Tribute against the GBC ? Do you really think the numbers are going down just cause it's Pure Blind or Deklin ? Now that dd's seem to work, it's just going to get worse
Anyways, hopefully both sides can just agree to disagree on motives and "means to an end" and just try to enjoy the game. ANd if you see me in local, I'll try not to be an ass (can't vouch for any1 else though)
And you still ran away twice today, leaving wrecks all over the place.
Yes you won today. There's always tomorrow :)
Stop telling lies we fail
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Tomcat
Gallente Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.11.30 07:57:00 -
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Aegis Osiris
You sir, are an excellent poaster. A+ would read again.
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Myz Toyou
Minmatar Fatality.
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Posted - 2008.11.30 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Han Lector
And you still ran away twice today, leaving wrecks all over the place.
Ah, thats why XJennieX not posted a new "TRI/Atlas fail" thread yet , common XJennieX give us your bitterness. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [gold]Your signature image exceeds the maximum allo |
Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.30 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Myz Toyou
Originally by: Han Lector
And you still ran away twice today, leaving wrecks all over the place.
Ah, thats why XJennieX not posted a new "TRI/Atlas fail" thread yet , common XJennieX give us your bitterness.
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Destruct
Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.30 11:59:00 -
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The whining is strong in this one. Gumpy, i think it's cooky time.
You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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Zackalwe
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.30 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Zackalwe on 30/11/2008 13:47:06
Originally by: Aegis Osiris
1. Numbers are boring, and so is guaranteed victory. Sometimes, you have to roll the dice and see what happens, even if you lose. 2. Its better to stand on your own feet with no or few allies, because thats what the game is about. Screw big power blocs; better to go down fighting alone then standing in a big circle singing 'kumbaya'. 3. Space is not a goal in and of itself, and holding space is often boring. Fights first! Everything else, second.
I wish to reply to this, but it is going to be very hard to not sound like I am smacking. I am going to try my best not to so here goes...
If this really is your position, why were you blue to BOB? You were attacking us as part of the GBC at least once I remember. Also the GBC has defended your interests at times as well. Also in another thread right now on this forum, some of your guys are lamenting the fact that Tri has set you neutral. Surely this would be an opportunity to stand on your own, rather than a reason to hate on Tri?
To the impartial eye it might look like suddenly you guys want to "be like Tri", only now that Bob have left and Tri are shooting you. If this has always been your position, then its difficult to reconcile this with your actions in the past.
As for Tri themselves, I have a fair bit of respect for them. They are living on their own terms, doing what they do. It is virtually impossible to hold 0.0 space like this, but they know that. And they are very capable opponents, in smaller fleet fights. I would have even more respect for them if it wasnt for the smack, but they seem to enjoy it :( Disclaimer: I know its not the whole of Tri, some entire corps are relatively smack-free for instance.
And as Im here, undoubteldly opening myself up for a smackstorm anyway, I thought I would touch on another point I have seen bandied about:
Originally by: Wesley Baird
Yes because getting giant gangs is both FUN and very difficult...how I admire your side for the epic skill it takes to put together such huge gangs, and of course the fun it gives your members...truly eve the ways its meant to be!!!!!
Please try not to get too upset with what Im about to say Wes. But with the recent improvements from CCP, large fleet fights are FUN. The two massive fleet engagements we had with the GBC in E-O were without a doubt the most fun I have ever had in Eve. And I am not alone in thinking this. Multiple people from both sides of those epic engagements were quoted as saying this is what Eve was truly meant to be. I realise you may have a different opinion on this, but please respect other's opinion.
I personally hope we can get some large fleet engaements down here in PB. Of course until then, maybe we can at least put up more of a challenge to you guys in the small roaming fleet area of play. Last night for instance was a clear indication that our tactics need looking at. |
Rilariel Vanacaris
Caldari Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.30 15:35:00 -
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is not i dont like large fleet battle!!
but my pc dont like it but anyway roaming fight like 40 vs 40 is more dynamic, and fun for me , and also more tactics, off course is just my personel opinion |
Aegis Osiris
Gallente Demonic Retribution G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.30 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zackalwe If this really is your position, why were you blue to BOB? You were attacking us as part of the GBC at least once I remember.
GF has spent time blue to GBC, then neutral (while securing Dek), then blue again, so we are at best an infrequent member of the GBC. Why join them? They were attacking you, and so were we. Some of our boys wanted to go down to Trib to the big fights, but mainly it was, I think, recognition that joining GBC at that time was the best chance of breaking apart the NC. The hope being to reach the goals I outlined; a north devoid of big power blocs. You'll notice we weren't in all that very long; we have the attention spans of gnats
Quote: Also the GBC has defended your interests at times as well.
If by this you are refering to 1IX, then that was more about you then about us. Everyone and their mother shows up when theres a chance to kill supercaps, especially in a situation like that.
Quote: Also in another thread right now on this forum, some of your guys are lamenting the fact that Tri has set you neutral. Surely this would be an opportunity to stand on your own, rather than a reason to hate on Tri?
The complaints have more to do with Tri seeming to be sidling up to the NC a bit. Rumors abound, of course, and those are likely the reason for the complaints. It's not about odds, its about watching a group do something we thought they wouldn't. Few of us are shocked at Tri resetting us, it is Tri after all, but some of the things we've heard are...disturbing.
As to your statement about large fleet fights, it is nice to see that some of the lag issues surrounding big engagements are approaching a solution.
By the same token, issues abound, the 'guns not shooting' bug as an example. Its better, but to many of us still not good enough to enjoy as much as a good 20 on 20.
You'll get your fights, I'm sure, since your tactics will give us little choice and we're committed to giving it all a go. Who knows, maybe we'll grow to love blobbage....and maybe I'll wake up one morning with breasts and change my name to Sally.
See you in space. I like violet more then pink. |
Roemy Schneider
Minmatar BINFORD Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.30 19:23:00 -
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*taptaptap*
are you going to bring it or just talk?
<- bored in pure blind - putting the gist back into logistics |
Holy Lowlander
Amarr Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.01 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider *taptaptap*
are you going to bring it or just talk?
<- bored in pure blind
I believe your the guys that are suposed to bring it at this stage.
You know .. us being in a region wich we captured from the NC .... Ooh , also vale , also captured from the NC. and some other constelations , systems, regions you didn't want anyways ?
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Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.01 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Holy Lowlander
Originally by: Roemy Schneider *taptaptap*
are you going to bring it or just talk?
<- bored in pure blind
I believe your the guys that are suposed to bring it at this stage.
You know .. us being in a region wich we captured from the NC .... Ooh , also vale , also captured from the NC. and some other constelations , systems, regions you didn't want anyways ?
Well i dunno we are shooting your towers and blowing them up, what else do you want us todo? Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator |
Sinder Ohm
Caldari Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.01 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk
Originally by: Holy Lowlander
Originally by: Roemy Schneider *taptaptap*
are you going to bring it or just talk?
<- bored in pure blind
I believe your the guys that are suposed to bring it at this stage.
You know .. us being in a region wich we captured from the NC .... Ooh , also vale , also captured from the NC. and some other constelations , systems, regions you didn't want anyways ?
Well i dunno we are shooting your towers and blowing them up, what else do you want us todo?
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Captain Soki
Gallente Mercantile Investments Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2008.12.01 07:14:00 -
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I believe Facion Warfare is what you are looking for. The Minmatar were having there way with Amarr but word on the street is Amarr has started to bounce back. GL and godspeed
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Wesley Baird
Caldari BURN EDEN Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.01 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zackalwe Please try not to get too upset with what Im about to say Wes. But with the recent improvements from CCP, large fleet fights are FUN. The two massive fleet engagements we had with the GBC in E-O were without a doubt the most fun I have ever had in Eve. And I am not alone in thinking this. Multiple people from both sides of those epic engagements were quoted as saying this is what Eve was truly meant to be. I realise you may have a different opinion on this, but please respect other's opinion.
I personally hope we can get some large fleet engaements down here in PB. Of course until then, maybe we can at least put up more of a challenge to you guys in the small roaming fleet area of play. Last night for instance was a clear indication that our tactics need looking at.
I hope you are right about lag!
I prefer small gang fights to large gangs mainly because after you develop a rapport with a small group of pilots and then do damage with them, its really awesome. Flying as just one of the nameless 150 Snipers etc, as part of a 400 man fleet just doesn't hold the same appeal to me.
However my "world view" of eve certainly is not definitive.
I look forward to much boat violence (lets stop dropping bombs on me...seriously).
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