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Cheopis
One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.12.04 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Something here makes very little sense guys.
So you "whine" over the fact that MD moved up to the mainstream forums. You claim this is the reason for why the quality of MD decreased.
Yet we have recently seen Hexxx return and post some very intelligent stuff!
However, how can the intelligence just disappear out of the blue? I bet ya it can't. Sure, we will have newer players come here, which is great. But does that mean all good discussion will forever be gone? Not at all.
If you guy thinks there needs to be more intelligent discussion, make it so!. I don't know if you have noticed, but there's a button called "New Topic". Go and write something very intelligent in there and hit "Post New Topic". There you go, it's all fixed
This suggestion, if followed by every intelligent person that attends here, would make this forum entirely unuseable for it's historical purpose. The long term discussion and evaluation and transactions associated with multiparty high finance offerings that are not supported ingame.
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Redbad
Minmatar Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.04 12:19:00 -
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Somehow the words of Harry Browncome to mind when I read this thread. "The free market punishes irresponsibility. Government rewards it."
Let's regulate and govern these forums a bit more shall we?
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Macdeth
Ephemeral Misgivings
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Posted - 2008.12.05 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cheopis This suggestion, if followed by every intelligent person that attends here, would make this forum entirely unuseable for it's historical purpose. The long term discussion and evaluation and transactions associated with multiparty high finance offerings that are not supported ingame.
Jesus Christ, get over yourself.
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Marcus Xavier
Minmatar Xavier Institute for Higher Learning
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Posted - 2008.12.05 12:33:00 -
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Wouldn't standardizing the subject line help reduce this problem?
If the forum participants agreed to and adopted standards (say "[IPO] Launching Enron Industries", "[Report] Enron Industries Audit completed", "[Adv Discussion] Are there really borrowing constraints in the presence of equity requirements?", etc.), then there would be little need for a separate forum. In time, most folks would adopt the standards since it would be in their best interest to do so. ---------------- Mutatis Mutandis |
Cyrus Brown
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Posted - 2008.12.05 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: zacuis Edited by: zacuis on 30/11/2008 23:03:50 MD has recently become the home of many newer players asking very basic questions. while this is probably appropriate. i miss the old MD where the market was discussed in more detail.
i can only plead with ccp to give us vets a place to do this. preferably hidden away at the bottom of the forum main page.
plz sign if u agree also plz give suggestions for a name.
( apologies for grammer and spelling cant be arsed to correct atm )
I think you are a arrogant *****. Advanced market forum, lol, what a tool.
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flakeys
Tier 3 Technologies Inc Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2008.12.05 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: flakeys on 05/12/2008 15:34:24
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Please remember that the forums are for all and that elitism or asking for more fences to be built helps no one.
Then why am i not allowed to post in CAOD while i am in a corp that is in an aliance and this is my main character , only because i don't have more then 10 members in my corp?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.12.05 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal Please remember that the forums are for all and that elitism or asking for more fences to be built helps no one.
Originally by: flakeys Then why am i not allowed to post in CAOD while i am in a corp that is in an aliance and this is my main character , only because i don't have more then 10 members in my corp?
I haven't even looked in COAD in 3 years so I did not know that they'd instituted some sort of corp size rule in addition to the obvious one. But if that is so, COAD needs to be fixed and I would suggest posting it there. Oh wait, you'd get moderated and likely banned for it. Lovely place, the eve forums. Can't have elitist forums unless BOB... er the Dev wants them.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.05 16:32:00 -
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CAOD broke all the rules and they've been patching that sinking boat for some time now. It has it's own set of unique rules now and I doubt they would want to make an example out of it.
One of the few forum areas I never venture into.
RPGN.net Gaming Network - Eve Gaming News, Forums & Blog Nutwork Web Design - Designing Websites for Eve Online |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.12.05 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team
Thus my point is proven.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.05 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team
eve-search.com
I'm inclined to agree. Man, you've got to love the irony of them moderating that statement.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.05 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Shar Tegral This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team
eve-search.com
I'm inclined to agree. Man, you've got to love the irony of them moderating that statement.
I gotta agree, that was just poor form |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.12.05 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria I gotta agree, that was just poor form
I would suggest we not discuss it any further as we all know if a moderator did it... they'd have signed it. Thus further discussion might see someone getting another 90 day ban for who knows what reason. It's happened before... to me in fact.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.05 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Shar Tegral This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team
eve-search.com
I'm inclined to agree. Man, you've got to love the irony of them moderating that statement.
I gotta agree, that was just poor form
And whoever did it didn't even sign it?
How convenient and how ironic .
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CornerStoner
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Posted - 2008.12.05 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Shar Tegral This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team
eve-search.com
I'm inclined to agree. Man, you've got to love the irony of them moderating that statement.
I gotta agree, that was just poor form
And whoever did it didn't even sign it?
How convenient and how ironic .
The truth hurts I guess!
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Re Mi
Caldari Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.12.05 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cheopis
Yes, exactly.
With two forums dedicated to two different tasks we get the best of both worlds. One forum where people can LEARN and the other where people can DO. This is the exact same principle the real world has used for careers and schools. It has worked reasonably well for basically the whole recorded history of mankind, I suspect we can make it work here too.
One suggestion that might be useful and productive here, as it seems whatever problems there are with this forum are systemic and may grow dramatically, is to create an interim solution that can keep this forum operational.
This is just a thought, but, there are player/corp channels out there that are capable of helping newbs. People in NPC corps who are clearly newbs could be pointed towards those channels, both for chat and to join helpful corps. Beyond stickies, it is possible to provide some active guidance that can direct people out of the forum to where they belong. Part of the problem here is that they have no one to discuss things with who has a grasp of the issues and isn't trying to scam them or screw them over, and that is an EvE community issue. They are looking for trustworty people to ask questions from. In some cases that question is the entire reason for a post, talking for talking's sake (its lonely in space). People stick with MMO's like EvE because of the community. So as an interim step to a forum fix, whenever a newb pops up who needs help, instead of telling them to "shove off", tell them to join a corp that teaches trade, and give them some in game channels they can use and inform them that this is not the place for those questions. Basically send them away with something.
Also, I feel for you CCP Mitnal, as much as I make your life hell, I do feel guilty some times at the things I put you through. So from me to you, Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
Back on Retainer. I am cheap but not easy. |
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.12.06 03:53:00 -
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Cleaned.
Please don't discuss moderation on the forums. If you disagree with moderation, we invite you to fill out a petition under the other-forums category.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email |
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.06 04:05:00 -
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I think this thread has run it's due course and don't see anything more constructive coming out of it. |
zacuis
Great Big Research
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Posted - 2008.12.06 10:57:00 -
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i tend to agree. in fact looking at the front page the problem doesnt seem so bad atm. wish i`d created the post questions in this thread thread instead. that seems to have had a positive effect. many thanks to the author. altho i dont post much if the devs see fit to sticky that thread i will make an effort to answer questions.
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Vele Nori
Amarr Dakinii
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Posted - 2008.12.06 12:04:00 -
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nothing stops you from discussing the market in more detail in midst of newbie questions on these forums as they are - i fail to see the point
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Cheopis
Amarr One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.12.06 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vele Nori nothing stops you from discussing the market in more detail in midst of newbie questions on these forums as they are - i fail to see the point
A large number of us who want a split do not want it to avoid ever talking to noobs, we want it so that we can engage in large scale financial trade that is both completely unsupported ingame and actually against this forum's rules.
There's an aspect of roleplay involved even in the out-of-game forum sales of financial products, which is completely lost in a free for all Q & A channel. It quite simply doesn't feel like a high stakes trading floor or board meeting when the youngsters are running around asking about market basics.
Until CCP implements something ingame to support high stakes finance, It would be very nice if they would support the high stakes financial market it in it's own little corner of the forums, down in the appropriate section where things are bought and sold - where it used to be.
The common sense solution of re-instating a high stakes financial market channel doesn't look likely though, because the hundreds of billions of isk that regularly moved around in the forum as it was before the move were done with relatively few posts. It has been made abundantly clear that the forum moderation team cares more about the tidiness of the forums here than actually supporting the endgame financial market that players have created.
Bah, I know I'm going to draw flak on myself for commenting here again. I suppose I should work on my self control a little
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.06 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cheopis A large number of us who want a split do not want it to avoid ever talking to noobs
Would this "large number" please step out from behind the curtain and be counted please. --
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.06 13:55:00 -
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Join EBANK channel for financial discussions. |
Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.06 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic Join EBANK channel for financial discussions.
lol....sometimes
othertimes we discuss the 1337ness of 486DX4/100mhz CPU, cause yes ladies and gentlemen, EBANK is just that 1337!!
:P --
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Cheopis
Amarr One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.12.06 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Cheopis A large number of us who want a split do not want it to avoid ever talking to noobs
Would this "large number" please step out from behind the curtain and be counted please.
If you actually read the comments in the threads, and notice who helps noobs, you will be able to see these people.
It's better to judge by actions than by words anyhow.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.06 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Cheopis
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Cheopis A large number of us who want a split do not want it to avoid ever talking to noobs
Would this "large number" please step out from behind the curtain and be counted please.
If you actually read the comments in the threads, and notice who helps noobs, you will be able to see these people.
It's better to judge by actions than by words anyhow.
Ok....
Cause I for one hate helping noobs, do not support splitting/splintering MD, and yet do support moving MD back to where it was.
I thought of MD back in its old spot, sort of a basic darwinistic test. If they could find us, they had already made at least some effort. Here at the top, above even "Eve New Citizen Q&A", just makes no sense.
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slight aside, but if I were an Eve community manager for a day, I would at least put "EVE Information Portal", "EVE New Citizens Q&A", "Assembly Hall" and then "Jita Park Speakers Corner", respectively in that order at the top of the forums. Then have everything else follow on.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.12.06 19:43:00 -
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It should be no surprise that I'm against the idea that MD needs its own special area. That being said (which is my way of announcing a self-contradiction forthcoming) I'm simply going to be abandoning these forums for a while.
While the eventual solution to last night's share sale was very favorable, and positive, it was the rather disheartening trolling, from uninvolved parties, that made me realize that I simply don't like the MD as it is now. In my mind the problem is essentially to many COAD/C&P people coming here and acting in the manner "appropriate" for those forums... but not for these. I simply don't have the energy to troll stomp all these roaches anymore.
So, I'm going to take a vacation while the rest of you either do the troll stomping needed or this forum gets abandoned by anyone of worth.
PS: The job entails a few bans and I'm tired of getting banned to improve the air around here. Quite simple really.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.12.06 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal Please don't discuss moderation on the forums. If you disagree with moderation, we invite you to fill out a petition under the other-forums category.
Oh and before I leave I thought that I'd point out, you are full of it mate. That wasn't what happened and this is just towing the company line. I.e. Cover up, censor up, clean up. Not your fault, granted, but still sucks when someone abuses privilege again and again and you get left cleaning it up. (Not to mention those of us who get shafted.)
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.06 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
It should be no surprise that I'm against the idea that MD needs its own special area. That being said (which is my way of announcing a self-contradiction forthcoming) I'm simply going to be abandoning these forums for a while.
While the eventual solution to last night's share sale was very favorable, and positive, it was the rather disheartening trolling, from uninvolved parties, that made me realize that I simply don't like the MD as it is now. In my mind the problem is essentially to many COAD/C&P people coming here and acting in the manner "appropriate" for those forums... but not for these. I simply don't have the energy to troll stomp all these roaches anymore.
So, I'm going to take a vacation while the rest of you either do the troll stomping needed or this forum gets abandoned by anyone of worth.
PS: The job entails a few bans and I'm tired of getting banned to improve the air around here. Quite simple really.
I'm sorry to hear that. I think we all know the forum will be for the worse without you. Hell, I think even Ricdic knows it.
I'd like to take a swipe at the moderators and their near complete failure to manage this forum or perhaps their inexplicable tendency to ban those who try to, myself included, but I'll save that for when I post my I'm-leaving message. So, now all I'm going to say is I hope I'll see you on the EBANK forums.
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CornerStoner
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Posted - 2008.12.06 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Please don't discuss moderation on the forums. If you disagree with moderation, we invite you to fill out a petition under the other-forums category.
Oh and before I leave I thought that I'd point out, you are full of it mate. That wasn't what happened and this is just towing the company line. I.e. Cover up, censor up, clean up. Not your fault, granted, but still sucks when someone abuses privilege again and again and you get left cleaning it up. (Not to mention those of us who get shafted.)
As far as your "vacation" goes I agree with Kwint. I understand your frustration. Your input and insight will be missed. Enjoy your time off.
I can say I understand Mintal's suggestion that a petition be filed since the report function on these forums apparently doesn't work. Within the last few days I've used the report feature for a couple of threads that didn't belong here (according to the rules in the sticky: "This is for discussing the market, both how it works and to share market tips. If you wish to sell, buy, auction or trade items please use the forums specified for those purposes.")Shares for sale Being the last one.
We're encouraged to help with the moderation (via the report feature) and yet when we make that effort there are no results. Are we to ignore reporting threads and only file petitions?
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.07 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
So, I'm going to take a vacation while the rest of you either do the troll stomping needed or this forum gets abandoned by anyone of worth.
We'll keep the maple syrup warm for when you return |
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