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Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.04.12 05:49:00 -
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With all of the t3 snipers around, damps have some new utility. And I think a single scripted damp from a bonused ship on a cane/drake/T3 BC cuts their targeting range to the 30-40k range - essentially nerfing them in nano fights and forces them into tackle range. I agree that the bonused ships need their bonus bumped, but damps arent useless in those fights.
And the bonused ships also need a cap usage reduction bonus. Those things eat cap like it is going out of style. |
Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.12 06:18:00 -
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With the upcoming on-grid-warp-drives dampening is bound to get more interesting. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2012.04.12 10:53:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:I've done the math on this before, in other threads, but basically it breaks down to this:
Versus a BS, a Lachesis full of res damps turns a Logi's lock time from 1.2s to...2.3s. Hardly a difference considering you are blowing a full rack of mids on a single Logi.
Same for their lock range; you take them down from 70km+ to around 30km by using 4 scripted damps.
Try doing the maths again, because this is completely wrong. Or train some skills and stop using T1 mods, I dunno.
Base Guardian locktime on Abaddon: 1.2 s With 1, 2 and 3 Lachesis damps: 3.8 s, 7.0 s and 10.1 s.
Abaddon base lock range: 81.3 km With 1, 2 and 3 Lachesis damps: 38.1 km, 20.5 km and 14.3 km.
Add a link Proteus (and why not? Everyone has link Lokis these days...) and these become 5.0 s, 11.3 s and 17.8 s, and 29.0 km, 12.8 km and 8.1 km. |
Shpenat
Pafos Technologies
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Posted - 2012.04.12 12:49:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:I've done the math on this before, in other threads, but basically it breaks down to this:
Versus a BS, a Lachesis full of res damps turns a Logi's lock time from 1.2s to...2.3s. Hardly a difference considering you are blowing a full rack of mids on a single Logi.
Same for their lock range; you take them down from 70km+ to around 30km by using 4 scripted damps. Try doing the maths again, because this is completely wrong. Or train some skills and stop using T1 mods, I dunno. Base Guardian locktime on Abaddon: 1.2 s With 1, 2 and 3 Lachesis damps: 3.8 s, 7.0 s and 10.1 s. Abaddon base lock range: 81.3 km With 1, 2 and 3 Lachesis damps: 38.1 km, 20.5 km and 14.3 km. Add a link Proteus (and why not? Everyone has link Lokis these days...) and these become 5.0 s, 11.3 s and 17.8 s, and 29.0 km, 12.8 km and 8.1 km.
Interesting is that neither of you are completely correct nor completely wrong.
Trinkets friend took into account only recon lvl IV (with presumed 10% bonus) and probably lvl V in Signal suppression. No script applied. He applied it to the ship with lvl V long range targeting
Gypsio III took into account all current bonuses, so 100% from script, 25% from recon V and 25% from signal suppression. But applied it to the ship with no skills applied.
So in reality, current state with all lvl V lachesis vs all lvl V abaddon is (1-(0.17*2*1.25*1.25))*100=46.8km locking range on abaddon.
With proposed 10% bonus it will became (1-(0.17*2*1.5*1.25))*100=36.25km. All of that is without rigs.
against falcon with 150km lock range the ranges are 70km and 54km (ergo right now putting single damp on falcon which sits at 70km does nothing)
taking rigs into account we can go down to 39km and 27km lock range on abaddon and 50km respective 40km on falcon.
In my opinion giving bonused ships 10% per lvl would be a good move. dont forget that those calculations were done for scripted damps. SO the locking speed is unaffected. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2012.04.12 12:52:00 -
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Shpenat wrote: Gypsio III took into account all current bonuses, so 100% from script, 25% from recon V and 25% from signal suppression. But applied it to the ship with no skills applied.
oh dear
Well spotted, I'll update my post. :facepalm:
I'll also add in basic gang bonuses to the ships being RSDed. |
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