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Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.12.28 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mawusi I dont understand why such wanted criminals are allowed into hisec at all, just because they arent in a ship.
Its like letting Osama Bin Laden into the USA just because he doesnt have a bomb on him.....
Probably because of CCPs shortsighted design that makes some lowsec areas inaccessible by flying through lowsec so they let outlaws use pods to be able to move around.
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Xailia
Unsteady Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.28 03:46:00 -
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The only safe place in EVE is on a station.
That being said, the only reason doing this wouldn't be allowed is if they are repeatedly killing *you* without any gain for themselves, then I believe it is considered griefing
They are well within their right to terrorize random people though.
"The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel." |
Terra Mikael
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2008.12.28 03:50:00 -
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lol ________________________________
Originally by: Korovyov You WIN! And by win, I mean suck horse manure.
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MeatSlab
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Posted - 2008.12.28 06:44:00 -
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Edited by: MeatSlab on 28/12/2008 06:45:15 oh oh I know. Add more gates!!!! lol I believe "shortsighted" is an understatement.
Probably because of CCPs shortsighted design that makes some lowsec areas inaccessible by flying through lowsec so they let outlaws use pods to be able to move around.
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Christari Zuborov
Amarr Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2008.12.28 08:23:00 -
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I myself don't see this as an exploit, but an inavatice use of mechanics.
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Maduin Ardens
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Posted - 2008.12.28 09:03:00 -
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I love how it's so popular to encourage destroying any and all miners as if they do not belong in the game. Those rocks build the ships you are using to kill those miners. Frickin' brilliant. What next, everyone starts podding manufacturing characters because they build ships instead of PvP?
Who the **** comes up with this stuff anyways? Yes, destroy all miners, no one wants ships to fly anyways. Then we can all sit around in stations and stare at our junk.
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Chronos VIII
Amarr Malevolent Evolution
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Posted - 2008.12.28 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mawusi I dont understand why such wanted criminals are allowed into hisec at all, just because they arent in a ship.
Its like letting Osama Bin Laden into the USA just because he doesnt have a bomb on him.....
Yes, please ban us from the entire universe of eve. Deal with it carebear. WoW is this way --->
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Rock'n'Roll Lady
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Posted - 2008.12.28 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Chronos VIII WoW is this way --->
Since you know the way can you go through it and now that you are going, can i haz your stuffffz
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Whineroy
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Posted - 2008.12.28 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Whineroy on 28/12/2008 12:32:04
Originally by: Chronos VIII
Yes, please ban us from the entire universe of eve. Deal with it carebear. WoW is this way --->
I spy / With my little eye / Yet another gankbear who really should get a life.
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The Slayer
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.28 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Whineroy Edited by: Whineroy on 28/12/2008 12:32:04
Originally by: Chronos VIII
Yes, please ban us from the entire universe of eve. Deal with it carebear. WoW is this way --->
I spy / With my little eye / Yet another gankbear who really should get a life.
Your name is so perfect for this thread!
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.12.28 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Whineroy I spy / With my little eye / Yet another gankbear who really should get a life.
He may be a gankbear, but at least he's dealing with the game mechanics rather than whine about them because they might subject him to PvP in a PvP-centric game.
No sig for me, thankyouverymuch. |
Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2008.12.28 12:38:00 -
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Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL! |
Kiran
Minmatar EXPLORATIS Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2008.12.28 12:39:00 -
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Find the Orca and kill the pods as they arrive. ----------------------------------------------- Kiran-"Falling is a kind of a peacful experience. But its the sudden stop at the end thats the killer." |
Tony62
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Posted - 2009.01.15 04:13:00 -
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Let me tell you about an online game I used to play. It is called Ultima Online. I was one of the first to join and played for 5 years. It was initially a great game, you were on a planet or a shard as it was called and could go and fight monsters for money and skill or you could do a profession and earn money by trading. There were several continents and some of those were dangerous to be in or you could play in the safer areas that had more guards to protect you. There were also lots of dungeons that ranged from easy levels where you should survive with care up to ones that if you went in alone you would not come out alive. Now, there were two types of players in the game, Blue, who were basically nice and didn't really bother other players. The others who were Red were players who were basically classed as criminals and murderers. So if a blue player went out into the big world to play and a red turned up well there was a fight and whoever won got the loot from the other player. It was great, you could party up with a few mates and go dungeon raiding, and if a group of reds showed up you could chose to fight or run. But after a year or so the Reds were working out the game mechanics, cheating and not playing in the way that the programmers expected. It got so bad that blue players didnt want to leave guarded areas and started complaining that they could no longer have fun and enjoy the game as it was meant to be. Of course patch after patch was released to try to keep the reds honest, but it could never happen. The forums started to get nasty and people being flamed because they didn't want to be killed so much. No one really minded the odd death, or the stupid just kept going to dangerous know areas that reds held and nearly always died. So the blues kept complaining and the reds called them Noobs and carebears and other insulting words. Things degenerated to the level where people (mainly blues) just canceled accounts, I mean why pay $20.00 a month and not have fun playing. Of course the Reds still had fun, they just ganked and killed and stole from the declining population, which declined even further untill the Game publisher started to panic, they were losing millions of dollars in game revenue. They came up with a solution in the end, duplicate the shard, segregate the population, leave all the reds on one shard and dont let them into the blue lands. the blues could travel between shards of course, so the reds initially did have some players to annoy or gank. But in the end the one of two blues that would go over to the reds lands would be dead in minutes so in the end no one did. Now of course the blues were sort of happy, they could play without the threat of being terrorized constantly. Of course the Reds who didnt want to earn an honest dollar got bored and left the game, a lot of blues didn't really play anymore either as some of the thrill had gone, so the publishers tried a few things but nothing ever worked and the game died. A few still played but nothing special. If the reds had remained within the spirit of the game then things would have been different. So many used Illegal Mods, Knew about workarounds, exploits etc, flamed other players who complained about it and basically said you can all going to get FKD, I pay, so I play how I want. Fair enough I suppose, just a shame when there ends up being no one else to play with but your self and CCP Close the game. If you just want to have fun, fun, ruining someone else's day, then go for it, its expected of you, but do it in the spirit of the game and its mechanics, don't look for exploits and then complain and flame non pirates for whining about it, they have a right to protect the game that that also pay for and should be able to play the way they want. If they stay in high sec they don't want to play with you at all and thats their right. You should stay out of their and hunt the ones that come in your areas. Flame On
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.01.15 05:26:00 -
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Imo, either remove insurance from Concordokked ship losses... or just make it impossible to enter a ship as a outlaw in highsec.
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State Security
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 09:50:00 -
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I love this whole "Carebears should learn PvP!" and "We want to PvP" and "EVE is all about PvP"...
Explain to me again how blobing non-combat ships makes you heros of the galaxy, kay?
You don't want PvP you want PvHT ...Player vs. Harmless Targets.
Your WORSE then Mission Runners, at least the AI ships fight back and there is risk. |
Camilo Cienfuegos
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2009.01.16 10:07:00 -
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Quote: just make it impossible to enter a ship as a outlaw in highsec.
No.
You know what a boon this last alignment speed patch has been? I can now as an outlaw fly into highsec space, dodging attacks by the faction navy and go straight to jita in a fairly fast ship, load up my gear and head back out to low sec. Previously I would simply log onto my alt and do this, but the convenience factor is wonderful.
The problem here is not criminals entering highsec. CCP have stated before that they're working on mechanics to circumvent suicide ganking, and I'm sure they're well aware of the more obvious alternatives. - ECM Balancing Proposal - 50% increase in effectiveness! |
Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.01.16 11:04:00 -
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Tony62, you are bang on there.
All those pirates who get a jolly out of annoying other people have to remember that there is only so far they can grief the 'carebears' before they start leaving, and if they leave, they have no-one to grief, and therefore get bored. By gloating, you are killing your own chances of getting more kills, as people would rather leave than constantly deal with gloating griefers. Losing ships now and again, people can deal with, but getting harrassed turns people away. If you want your victims to keep playing, don't rub salt in the wound.
The threat in EVE should never be removed, it's what makes it interesting, but the balance must be maintained. That means the carebears have to accept some risk, and the gankers must accept some limitations.
In regards to this 'exploit', logically, it would make sense for Concord to flag the Orca pirate as flashy read, because he is effectively smuggling pirates (once they board their ships in his bay). Now maybe this could be that the Orca pilot only turns flashy red when the pirates actually engage in combat, but that may be a little difficult to implement in code (plus there could be a way around that if they jump to a neighbouring system).
It should be that the second pirates launch from the Orca in their ships, that Orca is then considered a 'criminal' the same as the pirates, and that includes Concord attention. Maybe not at their safe spot, but the second they are at a gate, station, planet or belt, Concord go after them. This would make it difficult without precluding it, and make it fit logically in the universe.
Before any gankers complain, remember the first point I made. If you harrass people too much, you will kill the PVP in the game. Those pirates who blow people up after they have got a ransom made it impossible for those who honour the agreement to make a living from the practice, so remember that your actions do have consequences.
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Apolluon
Gallente No Limit Productions OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.16 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hysenthlay you have shown you can find them. now just beat them at thier own game. go pew pew that orca :)
Heres a an idea, suicide gank their orca a few times, their not exactly cheap, cant really take a TON of damage(10 gank fit bruts can pop one before concord comes), after they lose a few orca's they will **** off.
Option B: Hire a merc corp to wardec and rofl**** em,
option C. Join a good 0.0 alliance as industrialists and see what eve is really bout. |
Emperor BORG
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Posted - 2009.01.19 06:28:00 -
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Here is a great solution to eve.
Give pirates absolute free reign.
Let them bring motherships, titans, dreads into empire space.
Let the pirates just destroy and kill everything they can.
Let the pirates run eve into the ground.
Let the pirates have everything they want.
Protect the miners? No. Eve doesn't like miners. Eve likes pirates.
Eve LOVES pirates. Eve gives pirates massive choices.
Miners get weak ships that can be destroyed by T1 ships. Even T2 miner ships can
get ganked by T1 ships.
Make T2 miner ships so much effing stronger than T1 ships. A LOT stronger.
But that won't happen.
So, my point is very simple.
Give pirates everything they want. Let them ruin the game completely, absolutely,
perfectly. I'm sure 500 dreads in Jita would make everyone happy.
Kill every miner, freighter, industrial, etc.
Have fun pirates.
You've already won.
Eve was nerfed a long time ago. Pirates are the winners in eve.
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.19 09:10:00 -
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Last year called, it wants its threadnaught back.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2009.01.19 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor BORG Eve was nerfed a long time ago. Pirates are the winners in eve.
Look at you.
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Mephesto Nizal
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Posted - 2009.01.19 10:55:00 -
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You know, I never figured out why Concord doesn't tractor the pods into their bays and have the outlaws serve a prison sentence, appropriate to their crimes. |
Ranik Sandaris
Caldari The Centurions Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.19 11:09:00 -
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Tony62 has my vote.
Everything you have said is spot on.
o7 |
Digital Anarchist
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor BORG Here is a great solution to eve.
Give pirates absolute free reign.
Let them bring motherships, titans, dreads into empire space.
Let the pirates just destroy and kill everything they can.
Let the pirates run eve into the ground.
Let the pirates have everything they want.
Protect the miners? No. Eve doesn't like miners. Eve likes pirates.
Eve LOVES pirates. Eve gives pirates massive choices.
Miners get weak ships that can be destroyed by T1 ships. Even T2 miner ships can
get ganked by T1 ships.
Make T2 miner ships so much effing stronger than T1 ships. A LOT stronger.
But that won't happen.
So, my point is very simple.
Give pirates everything they want. Let them ruin the game completely, absolutely,
perfectly. I'm sure 500 dreads in Jita would make everyone happy.
Kill every miner, freighter, industrial, etc.
Have fun pirates.
You've already won.
Eve was nerfed a long time ago. Pirates are the winners in eve.
Down with CONCORD!
Please whine some more... ------------------------ This space for rent |
Jorge Deteis
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Posted - 2009.02.20 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jorge Deteis on 20/02/2009 01:20:36 Interesting.
I havent quite been through all 25 pages so sorry if this was already brought up.
Assuming they had enough pilots to take down the average mission ship, is it possible that this tactic could be used to pretty much farm mission hubs? Very few people fly a ship worthy of the usual style of suicide gank, but there are a lot of ships with some nice bits of faction gear - some of which would drop.
They would also need a silly amount of BS in system and neutrals to keep the supply going. Presumably such a big group would have better ways of making isk, I just wondered if it was possible in theory.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.20 01:53:00 -
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Here is a great solution to eve.
Give miners absolute free reign.
Let them bring Hulks, Orcas, freighters into low sec and 0.0 space.
Let the miners just mine and haul everything they can.
Let the miners run eve into the ground.
Let the miners have everything they want.
Allow piracy? No. Eve doesn't like pirates. Eve likes miners.
Eve LOVES miners. Eve gives miners massive security.
Pirates get weak ships that instantly destroyed by Concord. Even faction fit T2 ships are
instantly destroyed by Concord.
Make T2 pirate ships so much effing stronger than Concord. A LOT stronger.
But that won't happen.
So, my point is very simple.
Give miners everything they want. Let them ruin the game completely, absolutely,
perfectly.
I'm sure turning Eve into a massive mining simulator would make everyone happy.
Kill every pirate, ganker, waring corp, etc.
Have fun miners.
You've already won.
Eve was nerfed a long time ago. Miners are the winners in eve. ===== * Now I know how George Washington felt when Napoleon bombed him at Pearl Harbor. - Beast Boy |
Undeniable Existence
Questionable Practices
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Posted - 2009.02.20 03:07:00 -
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MY COVERT OP WAS FITTED WITH THE FOLLOWING:
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.20 03:10:00 -
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holy necro on a stick, batman! sriusly...y? -------------------------
Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux GREAT CHINESE WALL OF TEXT
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