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Pardit Lastor
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Posted - 2008.12.03 08:36:00 -
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Can someone give me all the info on fighters, which ships they are best suited for combat, the effectiveness fo their power and if they can be designated to another member of the fleet to use.
Also do they attack automatically anyone who attacks you first similar to combat drones?
What's a good setup for small fleet carrier? What do carrier have to watch out for?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.03 08:37:00 -
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Temp...lar?
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Karille
Gallente Cold Templars Templar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.12.03 08:42:00 -
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They're about equal to a really badly fit cruiser.
They act like normal drones but can warp to follow their target. They can be assigned.
If you have to ask for a carrier setup then you're not fit to fly it. Watch out for damps and jammers, and large numbers of nos/neuts.
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Trist Ian
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.03 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pardit Lastor Can someone give me all the info on fighters, which ships they are best suited for combat, the effectiveness fo their power and if they can be designated to another member of the fleet to use.
Also do they attack automatically anyone who attacks you first similar to combat drones?
What's a good setup for small fleet carrier? What do carrier have to watch out for?
An honest answer is. If you have to ask these above questions you should NOT get in a carrier. And if u do get in a carrier expect to prolly loose it withing a few weeks of u getting in it.. Dont get in a cap unless u know what to do.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.03 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 03/12/2008 08:55:45 I have to ask, if noone ever asks these questions, is the only way to "be ready" to fly a cruiser, to magically acquire the "holey books of Khazzy'dum'di'dum" and read it in the pitch black shadow of amarr prime?
How the HELL are you ready to fly a carrier, if you can't ask questions if you don't ask these questions? By flying and dying in it?!
No wait, if you don't know how to fly one, you can't fly one to learn it, as you can't fly one without knowing how one works. Which you can't ask anyone
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Karille
Gallente Cold Templars Templar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.12.03 08:57:00 -
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It's a capital ship Jones. By the time you train for it you should probably have some idea of how to fit a ship.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.03 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Karille It's a capital ship Jones. By the time you train for it you should probably have some idea of how to fit a ship.
"Some idea" is not actual info on how to fit a capital.
If i never flew a titan, and had the skills to do so, i'd ask "how to fit it", before jumping out there in some fitting that others have deemed "not worthy".
It's like saying "you shouldn't fly a battleship if you don't know how to fly a battleship", when someone asks "how to fly a battleship", which you can only learn by trial/error
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Anile8er
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2008.12.03 09:02:00 -
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I personally support him purchacing and using his carrier regularly at kick out stations and belts..... they make great ratting ships.
Also you should faction/deadspace/officer all the fittings you can. Core X-Type reppers should be fine..... fill the bottom rack with them.
For added tank, Gisti X-Type shield boosters should be fitted accross the mids.
For the high slots fit 4 officer smartbombs and an officer cloak.
This ship would also be a good place to store valuables like: Nyx BPO, Any of the titan BPOs, for that matter any Battleship or larger class ship BPO, faction BS BPCs, faction towers or BPCs, and any other items that may be of values more than 150mil.
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Karille
Gallente Cold Templars Templar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.12.03 09:02:00 -
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I wouldn't say that about a battleship though. I'll help him out anyway. I'd also like to say that it's highly situational. Will you be with other capitals or just support ships? Or shall it be the dreaded solo?
A tank drone control units or remote reps or both
Hopefully this is enough?
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.12.03 09:05:00 -
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Additionally to SJ's very excellent points, carrier fits vary widely depending on if they're to be used solo, in small gangs, large fleets etc. and what types of targets they're going to be going up against.
The OP has valid questions. Maybe he just doesn't have the opportunity to be involved in all of the above second hand to watch and learn.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.03 09:21:00 -
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Asking questions about a ship isnt a bad thing i agree. Especially if discussing fittings etc for different situations.
What i think most people meant is that if your dont have the wide ranging experience to know about the basics of carriers (i.e fighters etc) then it probabaly means that your taking a risk flying something as expensive as a carrier though.
It is your isk though and im sure people will help you with any questions you have about them
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Anile8er
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2008.12.03 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Anile8er on 03/12/2008 10:13:38 Okay, I will be nice only cause the girl friend said I am being mean to the guy who posted this..... she always wins.
I assume you are fly Amarr based on you character (unless this is an alt, in which case sorry)
From a skill stand point if you are going to undock the carrier you should at minimum have:
Max capacitor skills Max or nearly max targeting skills Max armor skills (resist compensations to lvl 4) The ability to use all or most drones Nearly max non-capital navigation skills, nearly max capital navigations. Carrier lvl 4 and Fighters lvl 4 Capital Ships lvl 3
fitting a general purpose Archon assuming you have support-
Lows: 2x Capital Armor Repairer I 1x Damage Control Tech II 2x EANM Tech II (I would recommend Dark Blood / Amarr Navy) 1x Armor Explosive Hardner Tech II 1x Capacitor Power Relay Tech II
Mids: 3x Cap Recharger Tech II 1x Sensor Booster Tech II
Highs: 2x Energy Neutralizer II (I would recommend Faction) 2x Large Smartbombs II 1x Capital Remote Repair System I
Rigs: 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I
Drones: 15 mixed fighters (try and make the numbers even, always short the dragronflys)
5000 M3 drone bay left: Various Tech II Heavies, Sentries, Mediums, and Lights (increments of 9 or 10 depending on how many you can control at once)
SW 900s EC 900, 600, 300 EV 900, 600, 300 Heavy Armor Bots Heavy Shield Bots
I am sure I forgot something...... please no mining drones, they look bad on kill mails.
I know...... wall of text, ect, ect, ect, ect, but he asked. for typos ofc
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Pardit Lastor
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Posted - 2008.12.03 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Pardit Lastor on 03/12/2008 10:20:40 Ok thank you for apologizing and offering serious posts. Yes I'm new to carriers and looking at some setups themselves on battleclinic but I wanted to get more of a feel for what's out there.
Also wanted to know more about fighters and specifically how they are used.
Originally by: Trist Ian
Originally by: Pardit Lastor Can someone give me all the info on fighters, which ships they are best suited for combat, the effectiveness fo their power and if they can be designated to another member of the fleet to use.
Also do they attack automatically anyone who attacks you first similar to combat drones?
What's a good setup for small fleet carrier? What do carrier have to watch out for?
An honest answer is. If you have to ask these above questions you should NOT get in a carrier. And if u do get in a carrier expect to prolly loose it withing a few weeks of u getting in it.. Dont get in a cap unless u know what to do.
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CrayC
Gallente CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones How the HELL are you ready to fly a carrier, if you can't ask questions if you don't ask these questions? By flying and dying in it?!
The time it takes you to learn the skills for a carrier, COULD have been spent browsing through the forums and read up on things. Ingame experience is NOT the only source of education in EVE. And since the OP clearly WANTS help from the forum-warriors, he could have avoided the standard replies by reading before posting
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.03 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 03/12/2008 10:40:02
Originally by: CrayC
Originally by: Sheriff Jones How the HELL are you ready to fly a carrier, if you can't ask questions if you don't ask these questions? By flying and dying in it?!
The time it takes you to learn the skills for a carrier, COULD have been spent browsing through the forums and read up on things. Ingame experience is NOT the only source of education in EVE. And since the OP clearly WANTS help from the forum-warriors, he could have avoided the standard replies by reading before posting
Yeah, and it's people like you that **** me off in a MULTIPLAYER game.
"Go look!" "Learn to fly!" "Noob!"
Scourge of the community, 'cause the time it takes for you to write your "witty remark", you can also post "here's how, i know, 'cause i'm leet"
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 10:40:00 -
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Fighters aren't drones, they're piloted, can enter warp and behave like 2 week old newbies in cruisers.
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CrayC
Gallente CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Yeah, and it's people like you that **** me off in a MULTIPLAYER game.
Well, it's either that or the live and learn experience, which means a lot of new cap pilots will either emoragequit or come crawling on the forums later to whine about their loss and demand CCP change the game somehow...
To be honest, I much prefer to study things in advance, than jump right in and hope for the best, when it comes to EVE. Not saying that because I prefer it, it's the only way to go, but it sure beats coming to the forums and get crap from the vets
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sp4rk1e
Mercurialis Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Fighters aren't drones, they're piloted, can enter warp and behave like 2 week old newbies in cruisers.
That explains why theres always one that ignores your commands to return to the drone bay!
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Molock Saronen
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Posted - 2008.12.03 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC
Originally by: Sheriff Jones How the HELL are you ready to fly a carrier, if you can't ask questions if you don't ask these questions? By flying and dying in it?!
The time it takes you to learn the skills for a carrier, COULD have been spent browsing through the forums and read up on things. Ingame experience is NOT the only source of education in EVE. And since the OP clearly WANTS help from the forum-warriors, he could have avoided the standard replies by reading before posting
I love circular arguments You should read the forums to learn more. Oh btw, if some has already asked something on the forums about it, the lickely answer will be 'If you have to ask....'. Right.. Brilliant.
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Aion Amarra
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.03 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Anile8er Okay, I will be nice only cause the girl friend said I am being mean to the guy who posted this..... she always wins.
Damnit, and I was just trying to come up with a witty response to your non-serious post. Your girlfriend owned me, I guess.
@ OP: Also, depending on your budget: T2 CCCs are slowly drifting into more affordable price regions. Depending on how much you're willing/able to risk the little extra cap might or might not be worth it.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.03 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 03/12/2008 11:05:15
Originally by: CrayC To be honest, I much prefer to study things in advance, than jump right in and hope for the best, when it comes to EVE. Not saying that because I prefer it, it's the only way to go, but it sure beats coming to the forums and get crap from the vets
Like you are giving? Or the guy i posted after?
Who cares if the question was answered in 2004, if a guy asks for help, post a link to the answer thread but don't post "you shouldn't fly it" when someone asks how to fly it.
Oh and...this is so much off the topic that, let's just drop it, hug and be merry
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Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.03 11:04:00 -
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a carrier is a droneship. this means thankfully that the weapon loadout is simple. stuff the dronebay full of fighters, stick as many drone control units in the top as you can.
if you feel like it, stick a triage module in there as well.
the rest of your slots are for tanking. do it, and do it well.
i also have a question.
does the five drone limit apply to carriers? if i have lvl 2 carrier and 3 drone control units, can i launch and control 10 fighters myself, or do i need to put 5 under someone elses command in the fleet, and 5 under my command? - PvPers always say "GB2WoW". the message is that EVE is hard, and people just need to deal with it. wasn't it funny how when nano's started making it hard for *them*, that all went out the window? |
Karille
Gallente Cold Templars Templar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.12.03 11:18:00 -
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You can control them all yourself.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.03 11:21:00 -
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Its a Templar, an Amarrian Drone used by Carriers
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N3oXr2ii
X10 Punishment
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Posted - 2008.12.03 11:23:00 -
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fighters are ******s
the pilots are all high or something
as peeps have said b4 fit tank in low, recharge and sebo in mids, fit highs to match what you are using it for.
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Cyb3r Thr3at
Gallente Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.03 11:29:00 -
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Fighters are not Drones! they have actual ****pits with a pilot inside.
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Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.03 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Karille You can control them all yourself.
cheers.
also, whoever rage'd about drones having pilots.
sorry to break it to you, they are sold under drones on markets, and all the game addresses for them are in the drones category. please dont try to confuse people by using RP talk when everyone else is clearly talking from an IRL point of view.
for the purpose of this discussion, fighters are drones.
thank you. - PvPers always say "GB2WoW". the message is that EVE is hard, and people just need to deal with it. wasn't it funny how when nano's started making it hard for *them*, that all went out the window? |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.03 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Substance
also, whoever rage'd about drones having pilots.
sorry to break it to you, they are sold under drones on markets, and all the game addresses for them are in the drones category. please dont try to confuse people by using RP talk when everyone else is clearly talking from an IRL point of view.
for the purpose of this discussion, fighters are drones.
thank you.
Nah, they're not. Market listing means nothing, regular drone boats cannot use them, their models are different (clear ****pit visible) and some of the background stories mention clearly that they are piloted.
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Praytell
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Posted - 2008.12.03 14:00:00 -
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To the OP, sorry mate for the flames you will get. You probably should have read around about carriers on the forum and realized that no one likes to talk about them. And when you do ask questions people just tell you not to fly them.
That stated (putting myself on the spot) I myself have just gotten into the carrier mix. The best advice I can give to you is to research! research! research!
Try not to ask questions... even though (for the ******ed people that say dont ask questions about carrier or you dont need to fly one) you should ask questions cause thats how you learn.
I read the ships forums over and over again getting a feel for what was going on. Last bit of advice === Dont fly it alone... i really wouldnt suggest fitting it out heavy officer stuff... cause well frankly your going to loose it mate no offence or nothing... and remember its not a dps ship its support. fly safe mate.
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Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2008.12.03 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Praytell Try not to ask questions... even though (for the ******ed people that say dont ask questions about carrier or you dont need to fly one) you should ask questions cause thats how you learn.
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