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Xeris Takier
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Posted - 2008.12.04 07:56:00 -
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Edited by: Xeris Takier on 04/12/2008 08:13:50 Edited by: Xeris Takier on 04/12/2008 08:01:27 I ask as I fly a proph with lvl V weapon and bc skills.. I am simply unsure where they fall into the pvp scene. I am one of those players that has been around on and off for years.. training but not playing all that much. I am curious and more tempted to get into the battle now with the whole faction thing between empires. ( also how is a harbinger in pvp as that ship so seems my style)
There are tons of posts about frigs and cruisers, even battle ships, I just have not seen any comments on battle cruisers. thanks in advance.
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Burn Mac
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.12.04 08:54:00 -
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First off: Fly Harbinger not Prophecy.
Secondly: Battlecruisers fall into pvp as a Cruisers on steroids.
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Adaera
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Posted - 2008.12.04 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Burn Mac First off: Fly Harbinger not Prophecy.
Secondly: Battlecruisers fall into pvp as a Cruisers on steroids.
^ This. To the OP: I'll correct you very slightly - tier 1 battlecruisers are hard to find a nichT for in pvp. Tier 2 on the other hand pack huge firepower/tank and are considerably cheaper and more mobile than a battleship. The Harbinger is easily one of the best if well fitted and can melt through stuff a lot tougher than itself.
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DubanFP
Caldari R.U.S.T.
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Posted - 2008.12.04 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 04/12/2008 13:18:16 Like they said. Tier 2 battlecruisers are generally used as moderately priced weapon platforms. Basically they're great when you want something with impressive firepower and tank but don't want to spend quite as much as you would on a T2 battleship.
They are quite strong for the cost. Excellent medium ship between the relatively weak/cheap cruisers and the expensive Battleships. _______________
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council.
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Posted - 2008.12.04 14:07:00 -
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idk, battlecruisers CAN be used for pvp quite well, in fact, its what i most frequently use for pvp, as i do not have the skills (well, im high up there, but still) to fly a BS into pvp, i do have t2 tanking and all, but
well, nvmnd, lol
anyway, i generally pvp in a myrm / hurricane / brutix, weve gotten a few kills with this, none solo except w/ a curse
but also, if your going to start pvping, you should probably start it off in a cheap cruiser, so if you die, then it doesnt cost a hefty price |
Animenick
Mobius Rising
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Posted - 2008.12.04 18:15:00 -
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As the others have said, some BCs work well and others don't. I don't think it's correct to say that all battle cruisers are great for tanking. For instance, I think the Mrym is a decent armor tanker and a pretty nasty shield tanker (yes weird, but does work well) but the brutix on the other hand is more suited to a simple buffer tank or no tank at all. I like the brutix gank setup (all tech II blasters with all the lows fitted with mag stabs and a DC II). It's fairly affordable and can put up BS like damage.
In my experience as well, the BC class of ships is really the first class in which a newer player will really see core skills start to really come into effect. Their training or lack thereof will truly determine their experience in the vessel.
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morpherio
Amarr Blood-Adders
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Posted - 2008.12.05 01:32:00 -
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prophecy is the better ship than the harbinger
but harbinger is a lot more fun to fly
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Tnam
Caldari Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.12.05 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tnam on 05/12/2008 11:26:21 I pvp in a BC very often, they are a good solo platform and good in small gangs. A PvP fitted BC will usually be able to take out a non-PvP fitted BS if the pilot has a good head and skills. The main problem I have with BC's in general is that people very often look at the tank potential and fit only for maximum tank leaving crap dps and something that's basically a sitting duck.
Main advantages of BC over HAC is that they have more DPS and Tank than the equivelent HAC (with a couple of exceptions). Main advantage over a BS is that you hit mid size ships a lot better and its significantly faster...
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Jason Marshall
Gallente Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.12.05 11:35:00 -
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I still manage to use my Brutix has a nice DPS boat. It works great in a remote rep gang and with the new tracking changes its alot more usefull in a blaster config then a megathron i think. =) Tacky Lensflares in sigs ftw
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The Tzar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2008.12.05 13:09:00 -
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* drool *
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Crellion
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.12.05 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Crellion on 05/12/2008 14:28:59 Actually I flew a BC after a long time yesterday, a Hurricane and I was surprised by it's mobility (nothing like the Brutix's and Drakes I remembered) and versatility in DPS. You can have 500DPS a/c damage along with 2xHeavy launchers or 2 Med Neuts (might gimp the lows) and 5xwarriorIIs on top of that...
Looked like a VERY good deal to me for the price...
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Tres Miandre
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Posted - 2008.12.10 15:16:00 -
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battle cruiser = as strong as a BS in one area or other. Similar to a cruiser in some areas.
For example, the drake with it's BS size tank... heck, bigger than BS actually. Or the Harby with it's BS class DPS. The list can go on. It's a nice step up from a cruiser with lower costs than a BS. Quite nice tbh.
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Kaileen Starsong
Amarr Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.10 15:36:00 -
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BCes are kinda all-in-one package atm.
Good tanks(much better than most HAC fits), good DPS(again, better than most HAC fits) while still going over 1k with MWD and being okay'ishly agile. Oh, and they can pack a gangmod on top of all that.
BCes have very wide engagement envelope. They can take on pretty much everything sub-BS/CS(talking about PvP fits) and can actually take on those if pilot knows how to exploit certain weaknesses or has some trump cards :P
They're also very cheap, costing like 25-30mil to replace after counting insurance, making them overally best bang for the back in medium-sized ship category.
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Selene Dukat
Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Animenick As the others have said, some BCs work well and others don't. I don't think it's correct to say that all battle cruisers are great for tanking. For instance, I think the Mrym is a decent armor tanker and a pretty nasty shield tanker (yes weird, but does work well) but the brutix on the other hand is more suited to a simple buffer tank or no tank at all. I like the brutix gank setup (all tech II blasters with all the lows fitted with mag stabs and a DC II). It's fairly affordable and can put up BS like damage.
In my experience as well, the BC class of ships is really the first class in which a newer player will really see core skills start to really come into effect. Their training or lack thereof will truly determine their experience in the vessel.
I love the disposable killdozer (gank fit Brutix)
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FOl2TY8
Scorpion's Sting
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:38:00 -
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Myrm with drone link augmentors, omnidirectional tracking links and drone navigational computers will eat up assault frigs and interceptors. Don't know about Amarr sorry. ---------- The six paths and the four lives.... |
King Rothgar
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:49:00 -
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Lately I've been using a hurricane as my primary pvp ship and a harginger as a secondary ship. Prior to QR, I used to do high sec war decing with BS's. A BS at the time had sufficient lock speed with a single sensor booster to catch anything cruiser and up comining out of a station or through a gate. Frigates were generally too quick and destroyers were hit and miss.
However with the QR agility buff, about the only thing a BS can lock down before it warps is another BS and maybe a BC. Even industrials slip by my abaddon with little trouble. A BC however, even without a sensor booster, is quick enough to lock most cruisers and industrials. Running around in low sec now with my new flashy red friends I've found the hurricane to be the perfect belt pirate ship for me and my harbinger to be a great gate camper (features sensor booster instead of MWD). I can't fly a HAC so I can't comment on them. But as it stands, I'm willing to claim that the single best t1 pirating ship in the entire game is the hurricane due to it's quick base lock speed, respectable tank and dps and relatively high speed.
I do not recommend the prophecy, it has a good tank but it's offensive abilities are rather limited.
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Grek Forto
THE IRIS United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: morpherio prophecy is the better ship than the harbinger
Whatever you are on, can I have some?
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2008.12.12 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: morpherio prophecy is the better ship than the harbinger
but harbinger is a lot more fun to fly
Eh I dont agree with that angle proph is more of a tank. Harb is the BBQ mobile specially with T2 pulses
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Aideware Batha
Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:51:00 -
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Every single ship are usefull if you fit it and skill it well.
I love Bc because : -good tank -more mobile than Bs -decent dps -cheap
i use drake mostly with T2 launchers, and rigs, allways.
gl
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Florio
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:19:00 -
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BCs are particularly great for small gangs as they can hit out to a decent range for gate engagements where cruisers would more often have to close range before starting to do damage.
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Dadack Dycsel
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Posted - 2008.12.13 15:30:00 -
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battlecruisers fitt into pvp slot because they are only ship class thats not a capital able too utilize gang links. they fall between cruiser and battleship class for damage and tank (generaly always is exceptions) an example of this would be a cyclone utilizing an interdiction link too give bonus scram and webb range for tacklers in fleet. that is a battlecruisers primary role in eve.
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Letelio Denmun
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Posted - 2008.12.13 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Letelio Denmun on 13/12/2008 19:23:39 Yeah if I had to say where battlecruisers came in to pvp I agree warfare links are helpful for gangs then again if you have taken the time to train to use a variety of gang mods well then your probaly not far from a command ship which is perhaps more suited to running them depending on how much you got to spend I suppose.
Many of the battlecruisers are very versatile killers, try firing a ravens torpedos at a assult frigate it isnt going to work well, but through a drake in there with heavy precision misisles, that assult frigates time in the fight isnt going to be long. The faster lock and greater agility of the ships can be helpful too. Now with the warp speed buffs a battleship cant catch any thing that wants to get away, apart from other battleships perhaps, so having a BC in a gang for the initial tackling and catching targets is handy if your primarly a BS gang (ftw ).
The down side is the damage does tend to be less and the when you get shot at by a good dps gang your probaly going to melt even quicker than the battleships so I would reccomend only flying them if theres a role in your gang that requires a battle cruiser to fill it. Otherwise if you just want to be one of the killers/tankers fly a BS or what ever else your gang is using.
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Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.14 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dadack Dycsel battlecruisers fitt into pvp slot because they are only ship class thats not a capital able too utilize gang links. they fall between cruiser and battleship class for damage and tank (generaly always is exceptions) an example of this would be a cyclone utilizing an interdiction link too give bonus scram and webb range for tacklers in fleet. that is a battlecruisers primary role in eve.
You mean only sub-capital ship to use gang links besides the most common ships that do: Command ships, which are specialized to fit gang-links? -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity." |
JoeT
Amarr Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2008.12.14 04:41:00 -
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I've used the proph quite a bit and depending what i am doing, i perfer it over a harginer. The BC wreakes havok on curiser-sized ships pretty damn well. - We are anonymous. We Are legion. |
Lea Re
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.12.15 02:10:00 -
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drake with buffer and hams - scary stuff, get a gang of those and... no, thats just too scary same goes with harbs tbh hurricanes imo are a bit worse but still kick ass big time
do they fill a pvp role ? yes, the awesum of lowsec/empire warfare
(especially considering its silly price)
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Redbad
Minmatar Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 09:47:00 -
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Prophecy can be a great bait-ship. It's regarded by a lot of players a big fat slow chicken that won't put a dent in a package of butter.
Have some buddies ready to warp in when the target bites and use insurance to replace the ship with ease when necessary.
When you PvP in a gang, not many would primary the Prophecy first, so it's a cheap ship from that point of view as you would have to replace less than e.g. a Hurricane pilot.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.15 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Redbad Prophecy can be a great bait-ship. It's regarded by a lot of players a big fat slow chicken that won't put a dent in a package of butter.
Have some buddies ready to warp in when the target bites and use insurance to replace the ship with ease when necessary.
But everyone knows that if you're flying a prophecy you're flying bait... So it's less useful from that perspective if the opposing FC knows what he's doing. ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
lucifers widow
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Posted - 2008.12.15 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kadoes Khan
You mean only sub-capital ship to use gang links besides the most common ships that do: Command ships, which are specialized to fit gang-links?
Command ships are bc class as they a bc hull.
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