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ladytrft
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.10 07:59:00 -
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CCP need to introduce some kind of feature where if a POS is anchored but completely offline it can be taken. There are a huge number of towers anchored to moons that have been left to go offline. Maybe the owners stopped playing, or don't have any use for it anymore. Either way its a waste of a moon that another player/corp could use. Sure you could war dec them and try and destroy it but I feel like it could be a legitimate mechanic that an offline POS can be accessed and stolen?
There could be a grace period where if a tower goes offline it goes into a secure mode of some sort for 7 days, can still be attacked but not stolen, after that it's fair game?
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2012.04.10 08:13:00 -
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I suspect that when CCP get round to re-working PoS's hopefully some time next year) we will see a mechanic that will allow people to take them after x number of days of being off-line, until that happens we will just have to continue as normal.
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T' Elk
Happy Little Spaceships
330
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Posted - 2012.04.10 08:14:00 -
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I approve of this. But not 7 days, I'd say more around a month.
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ // Inferno is coming // |
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group Ayn Sof Aur
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Posted - 2012.04.10 08:18:00 -
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Blow it up very simple. If you do not want to war dec (guessing HS) I would seem it really aint worth it... same goes for blow up...
You have a 100% defenceless tower, even if you start attacking it, the owner needs to defend it till the shield comes up...
And you want a let me just steal offline towers... na.
Also... maybe post in the right forum. |
Eugene Spencer
Rodents of Unusual Size
114
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Posted - 2012.04.10 08:30:00 -
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A POS may be offline, but that doesn't mean they are not used.
The whole "standings for POS in highse"c means some corps are reluctant to remove POS, because they might not be able to put it up again. POS are left online until they need them.
The mechanic for removing them is already there - war. If a corp really wants to keep a POS, they'll put it back online and defend it.
Easy! I have a specific comb for my beard. |
ladytrft
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.10 08:41:00 -
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supersexysucker wrote:Blow it up very simple. If you do not want to war dec (guessing HS) I would seem it really aint worth it... same goes for blow up...
You have a 100% defenceless tower, even if you start attacking it, the owner needs to defend it till the shield comes up...
And you want a let me just steal offline towers... na.
Also... maybe post in the right forum.
Not very simple for every corp.
I wasn't really sure where to post this? What would be the right forum?
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ladytrft
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.10 08:45:00 -
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Eugene Spencer wrote:A POS may be offline, but that doesn't mean they are not used.
The whole "standings for POS in highse"c means some corps are reluctant to remove POS, because they might not be able to put it up again. POS are left online until they need them.
The mechanic for removing them is already there - war. If a corp really wants to keep a POS, they'll put it back online and defend it.
Easy!
You make good point, however if a corp wants to simply anchor a POS until they may need it then there should be a cost to that, eg: keeping the POS online, so fuel cost etc. If they choose not keep it online then thats ok but they should run the risk of having it stolen |
Eugene Spencer
Rodents of Unusual Size
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Posted - 2012.04.10 08:53:00 -
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I don't think you should be forced to have an online POS at all times. Maybe it just consumes starbase charters or something.
And if you could somehow de-anchor a POS, I don't think it should be as easy as right-click > scoop. There should be skills and modules attached to it. Like the codebreaker or salvager.
And I still think you should only be able to do that if you are at war with the corp :-)
I have a specific comb for my beard. |
Enuen Ravenseye
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.04.10 11:33:00 -
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Eugene Spencer wrote:There should be skills
New skill: POS Manipulation PreReqs: Anchoring IV, Hacking V
Oh, think of the possibilities! This could be damned fun actually. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
525
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Posted - 2012.04.10 12:03:00 -
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Sounds like OP is risk adverse and doesn't want to deal with the fact that if OP deced a corp to burn a POS, OP might actually have to deal with player vs player interaction. OP wants to have NPC interaction on easy mode, NPC being anything that uses dumb AI or random chance to gain that prize (<-- like salvage, OP probably a supporter of POS hacking).
Wardec the POS and just remove it, otherwise don't bother. Offline its not giving any reward for the owner and its zero risk to take down to you. Its an isk sink, because that POS removed is not comming back to be reused again and again, requiring the POS be re-bought. You don't want to shoot it, you don't deserve the moon location. |
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wubblekins
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.10 12:09:00 -
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we discussed this at fanfest in the wh roundtable one idea that was put out is if a tower is anchourd for a month witrhout any interaction it will auto unanchor, |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
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Posted - 2012.04.10 12:11:00 -
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ladytrft wrote: I wasn't really sure where to post this? What would be the right forum?
Features and Ideas
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Flaming Head
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.10 12:51:00 -
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Just dec the corp? Shields are the vast majority of a POS tower, no shields = big boom.
You could do it with a few battleships. |
Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
52
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:18:00 -
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It would be great if CCP put in a mechanic that made the POS more susceptible to salvaging the longer it was offline. This could open up a new profession hunting for derelict POS's floating in deep space and Worm Holes. Think of all that T2 salvage a tower would cough up. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:36:00 -
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Ships, guns, wardec, tower goes pop?
Or is OP adverse to actually playing the game?
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:55:00 -
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This is one mechanic that I actually agree with. I can't even count the number of times when I am scouting for targets and I come across random towers instead and each time I instinctively fly up to them to see if I can unanchor them. It'd be like parking your car in downtown and just leaving it there for a month unattended. Each day only increases the chances of it being jacked. But I do agree that one should be required to hack into the base first in order to gain access. To improve on that, there should be a chance that the hack will trigger an alarm sending a corp evemail out warning any players who may be on. As well as the player himself obviously being flagged. For the wardec argument, why blow something up when you can just take it? |
ladytrft
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:11:00 -
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The "are you adverse to player interaction or risk" comments are far from the point of my suggestion. I'd be totally fine with the introduction of the suggested mechanic still requiring you to war dec the owner corp. What you elite "ships, guns war dec, tower goes pop" PVPrs are failing to comprehend is that not every active player in eve is part of a large, or even medium, sized organisation able to roll up in DPS Battleships and pop a tower.
The point of my suggestion is to deal with offline or abandoned towers, with a possible mechanic other than just blowing it up. I'd be willing to bet that 10-20% of those towers are owned by in-active players or corps. |
Weasel Ugs
Balance of Judgment G Spot Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:26:00 -
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ladytrft wrote:
The point of my suggestion is to deal with offline or abandoned towers, with a possible mechanic other than just blowing it up. I'd be willing to bet that 10-20% of those towers are owned by in-active players or corps.
I have started trying to contact the owners of offline towers I come across in wormholes and I get not replies and the CEO is never logged in when I am on. I believe the 10-20% number is alot higher than that.
I like the idea of some mechanic of hacking a tower thats been offline for some length of time so you can unanchor and acquire it for yourself |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
850
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:33:00 -
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Eugene Spencer wrote:I don't think you should be forced to have an online POS at all times. Maybe it just consumes starbase charters or something.
A reasonable compromise would indeed be "consume charters". Except that they're dirt cheap and you could just fill the fuel tank with a few year's worth.
A more ambitious design change would be to make it so that they consume a single fuel block each hour when anchored, even if not online. Which would be about 10M ISK/mo for having the tower anchored. You could still load it up with a lot of fuel (enough for a year or two), but you'd have to pay a bit more for the privilege. |
Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.11 03:12:00 -
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ladytrft wrote:Eugene Spencer wrote:A POS may be offline, but that doesn't mean they are not used.
The whole "standings for POS in highse"c means some corps are reluctant to remove POS, because they might not be able to put it up again. POS are left online until they need them.
The mechanic for removing them is already there - war. If a corp really wants to keep a POS, they'll put it back online and defend it.
Easy! You make good point, however if a corp wants to simply anchor a POS until they may need it then there should be a cost to that, eg: keeping the POS online, so fuel cost etc. If they choose not keep it online then thats ok but they should run the risk of having it stolen
I agree with this. In fact, I think the second the POS goes offline, everything should unanchor. It's not hard to keep it running.
I don't find having it offline until you need it as a good reason. If people want to save it until they need it then they can unanchor it and keep it in a station. Don't have the standings? Shouldn't have betrayed your faction the second you got what you wanted. You can always leave high sec as well.
Oh, I forgot, people want everything to be easy. |
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Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.11 03:19:00 -
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Ask me they should just go poof after 30 days of being offline..
Think of it as a secure can, going poof after 30 days since last access. If you aren't keeping it up, or accessing it in some way, then bye bye.. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.04.11 03:20:00 -
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roundtables are soooo imaginative.
Why dont abandoned POS after a month turn into drone hives. The larger the POS the deadlier they are. The drones then will randomly attack people like an incursion system. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2012.04.11 03:45:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Eugene Spencer wrote:I don't think you should be forced to have an online POS at all times. Maybe it just consumes starbase charters or something.
A reasonable compromise would indeed be "consume charters". Except that they're dirt cheap and you could just fill the fuel tank with a few year's worth. A more ambitious design change would be to make it so that they consume a single fuel block each hour when anchored, even if not online. Which would be about 10M ISK/mo for having the tower anchored. You could still load it up with a lot of fuel (enough for a year or two), but you'd have to pay a bit more for the privilege.
Would be like minimal life support functions or something.
Quote:Ask me they should just go poof after 30 days of being offline..
Think of it as a secure can, going poof after 30 days since last access. If you aren't keeping it up, or accessing it in some way, then bye bye..
With unachoring a player could recycle the station and put it on the market much in the sense that we salvage wrecks. |
Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:01:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:roundtables are soooo imaginative.
Why dont abandoned POS after a month turn into drone hives. The larger the POS the deadlier they are. The drones then will randomly attack people like an incursion system.
Too cool for EvE |
Ironwomen
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group Ayn Sof Aur
0
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:08:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10882857
I am sure we have many more examples (I just do not feel like looking) here you got one of a corp member soloing a faction tower in a .5
Ya I mean we SO need towers to auto destory or something right?
If someone does not want to take the tower down... or can NOT take the tower down due to not enough people... leave the MMO game everything is working as it should. As said, you need standings, CCP has made it so you need to either kick everyone and lauch or have no one in the corp so you can keep putting these things up...
Not needed. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
107
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:08:00 -
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I added this complaint to F&I twice. The threads got trolled for a day or so, then they fell in to the oblivion of page 4000.
Online it, pay the fuel or it vanishes like a GSC. The number isn't actually as high as one might think. I'd say 40% of the High sec moons have Anchors. Most are online and working. All the Anchor ones are small corps 1 to 3 people. I have a suspicion that alot are competition strategic and there to simply prevent anyone from bringing in a POS.
Ironwomen wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10882857
I am sure we have many more examples (I just do not feel like looking) here you got one of a corp member soloing a faction tower in a .5
Ya I mean we SO need towers to auto destory or something right?
If someone does not want to take the tower down... or can NOT take the tower down due to not enough people... leave the MMO game everything is working as it should. As said, you need standings, CCP has made it so you need to either kick everyone and lauch or have no one in the corp so you can keep putting these things up...
Not needed.
Bad example. 35 Mill with a Geddon? That took how long? ATK I am sure because if a miner goes to take a **** it's justifacation to pop his ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:12:00 -
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ladytrft wrote:CCP need to introduce some kind of feature where if a POS is anchored but completely offline it can be taken. There are a huge number of towers anchored to moons that have been left to go offline. Maybe the owners stopped playing, or don't have any use for it anymore. Either way its a waste of a moon that another player/corp could use. Sure you could war dec them and try and destroy it but I feel like it could be a legitimate mechanic that an offline POS can be accessed and stolen?
There could be a grace period where if a tower goes offline it goes into a secure mode of some sort for 7 days, can still be attacked but not stolen, after that it's fair game?
If it concerns you SO much that someone left a POS up, blow it up - or pay some mercs to do so.
CSM7 Skype Leak
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:30:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote: If it concerns you SO much that someone left a POS up, blow it up - or pay some mercs to do so.
Yes, because melting a iron ingot with a match box is SUCH an exciting endeavor. Sure you can pad your kill board from an abandoned object that is 2 years old and likely does not belong to anyone playing the game anymore, But just the fact that you have to sit there and pound on this antiquated space junk that still has full regenerative shields for-*******-ever just to gain access to a worthless moon so you can have access to make a few bpcs in a timely fashion is horrible entertainment. |
Ironwomen
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group Ayn Sof Aur
0
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Posted - 2012.04.11 06:25:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Bad example. 35 Mill with a Geddon? That took how long? ATK I am sure because if a miner goes to take a **** it's justifacation to pop his ship.
Not sure, don't care was at work for it... this is a MMO get some frineds if it takes too long... a geddon is nothing amazing, shows it can be done, that is the point it can be done. If you need a moon so bad... blow the **** up, this is again a MMO you are not ment to do things SOLO.
Tell me, when you park your car do you leave it running? If the owner does not have a need ATM for the pos, why the **** should they need to leave it online? I did not use my car today! Guess what I did not start it and run it for the normal daily drive time...
So we got
Solo the tower Pay mercs Get frineds Pay random people (after all the thing here is, the people can not defend it, it aint a war dec bait pos... so really any people who want to make some isk should be able to take it down) Deal with it and HTFU that your corp fails, and eve is AGAIN a MMO.
Real fix is have CCP remove shield for offline towers, that is the fix... not this dumb **** despawn stuff.
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ladytrft
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.11 06:40:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:ladytrft wrote:CCP need to introduce some kind of feature where if a POS is anchored but completely offline it can be taken. There are a huge number of towers anchored to moons that have been left to go offline. Maybe the owners stopped playing, or don't have any use for it anymore. Either way its a waste of a moon that another player/corp could use. Sure you could war dec them and try and destroy it but I feel like it could be a legitimate mechanic that an offline POS can be accessed and stolen?
There could be a grace period where if a tower goes offline it goes into a secure mode of some sort for 7 days, can still be attacked but not stolen, after that it's fair game?
If it concerns you SO much that someone left a POS up, blow it up - or pay some mercs to do so.
lol
You're an idiot |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1207
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Posted - 2012.04.11 07:17:00 -
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I support the idea of being able to hack a tower or bribe CONCORD to unanchor it if the tower has been offline for more than a year. There are a great many faction towers out there which cannot be replaced, it would be a shame to simply destroy them all.
Perhaps CONCORD or some other entity could be used as an auctioneer, selling the tower to the highest bidder in an untimed auction that finishes when no new bids are received for a month.
Destroying beautiful things is not the only path available. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
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Posted - 2012.04.11 07:23:00 -
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It's a shame POS's need to be anchored to moons.
I know, I know. That's not going to work. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Vagilicious
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.11 08:22:00 -
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I think the point a lot of people are missing in the OP is to not necessarily blow the abandoned POS up, but to be able to unanchor and scoop it.
It would be nice if, say, the hacking module could be used on an offline POS to force it to unanchor, and either have a very long cycle time or a very low possibility of success with each cycle. That would give the owner of the POS time to respond, if they felt so inclined.
Hell, even tie it into the wardec mechanics if necessary so the attacking corp has the option to pewpew the tower or try to steal it.
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Eugene Spencer
Rodents of Unusual Size
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Posted - 2012.04.11 08:55:00 -
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It would definitely have to be part of the wardec mechanic. You can't expect to just fly around, unanchoring everything you see and making risk-free profit.
I still think simply "right click > unanchor" is unimaginative. Perhaps have some kind of time period (two months, say) where if the POS isn't put online even for just one cycle, it falls into "disrepair". After that you can salvage it, maybe requiring a Noctis (or two, or five) to salvage a tower. Guns and modules might only require one Noctis. And you'd get the materials to build the tower, you wouldn't just get a free tower.
Something like that is a bit more balanced and interesting :) I have a specific comb for my beard. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.04.11 09:26:00 -
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I leave my tower anchored to stop someone coming along and nicking "my" space.
It's a circular problem, if there were more free moon slots then people wouldn't feel the need to leave their towers up all the time. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.04.11 09:30:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:roundtables are soooo imaginative.
Why dont abandoned POS after a month turn into drone hives. The larger the POS the deadlier they are. The drones then will randomly attack people like an incursion system.
Probably unworkable in the amount of development time needed, but it's a cool idea. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:39:00 -
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People yelling risk adverse are hypocrites. They're too afraid to risk losing their unmanned station to somebody with a little cunning and have to rely on a wardec to keep it safe. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Marduk Nibiru
Risk Breakers C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:55:00 -
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Eugene Spencer wrote: The mechanic for removing them is already there - war.
And that is the whole reason why some of these offline POS's are there to begin with. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1978
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:02:00 -
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I've suggested in the past that after a certain period of time you should be able to use hacking skills to convert the POS to your control, then you could un-anchor it or fuel it and put it back online as yours.
I know CCP has considered ideas that would change what you can do to a POS abandoned after some period of time and there is discussion of a POS revamp in the future so if we get a chance to talk to CCP about POSs soon I'll be sure to make this part of the conversation.
Issler
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
143
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:03:00 -
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I can do with fewer abandoned poses. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
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Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:10:00 -
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POS need a complete revamp and the idea of stealing offline POSs is great. I mean people can blow up your freighter and steal your stuff due to your negligence, why can't people steal your POS due to your negligence, it fits in perfectly with eve.
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Weasel Ugs
Balance of Judgment G Spot Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.12 03:27:00 -
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Im not looking at them like they are in my way, I see all these towers of corps that are no longer active and think this could be a good way to make some isk. I dont think it should just be there for the taking, def some skills needed and modules like hacking and or salvaging modules. |
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