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gfldex
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:48:00 -
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\o/ mining When someone burns down your sandcaste, bring sausages. |
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:52:00 -
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fenistil wrote:If drone regions will not supply the minerals any longer, and the demand stays the same, I guess it is safe to assume the mineral prices will increase?
Demand wont stay the same. What was seen as a bubble in the mineral market has stabelised. Banned bots are banned. In the good old days we had plenty of caps for mineral prices (hello Mr Shuttle). All that stuff is gone. What is not gone is the covert cyno. AFK cloaker will be a big problem now. It's fairly easy to move to next system if you want to shoot NPCs. If you want to mine those roids, you need to be close to them.
It's going to be a complete mess. :)
fenistil wrote:It would be an interesting thing to know what % of all minerals are being supplied by drone regions now.
About 40% of all highends. Lowmins where mostly used to build supers. When someone burns down your sandcaste, bring sausages. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:23:00 -
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Nendail Smith wrote:ROFL Stop the crying about cloaking ships you guys.. I can't swim well enough to live through the lakes you are creating. Your lack of skill is utterly funny if a cloaking ship keeps you from mining. LOL
Who is crying? I can fly all cloaky ships that are. When someone burns down your sandcaste, bring sausages. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:35:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:With the changes to rogue drones going in, we're already committing to a mineral supply "shock" in this patch, so we decided when planning this release to roll in the Meta 0 removal at the same time so we only have to go through this process once.
I give this post a 10 on the Grey Scale of insanity.
/me chuckles
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gfldex
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:37:00 -
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Chris Wheeler wrote:and PLEX prices will drop as more ppl need more money for more ships.
And miners need less chars to earn the same ISK. That was one of my biggest concerns with mining bots. The only way for a miner to counter dropping income is to increase mineral output, what in turn creates faster drop of income until miners drop out of the game.
The whole GTC/PLEX thing is one big can of worms.
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Posted - 2012.04.10 18:06:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Unless I am mistaken, one can upgrade space, or do I misunderstand the system as it stands now?
You can but it's a pain in the rear. You have to mine crap to be able to upgrade. If you stop mining, you will have to mine crap again. When someone burns down your sandcaste, bring sausages. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.04.10 18:24:00 -
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Cameron Boe wrote:The miners are way out numbered to ratters, ships are already expensive this is only going to drive them higher. i have the strangest feeling that ships are going up and miner kills will be too.
It's a good question at what point the average highsec ganker will reconsider given the perspective of paying 5B ISK for his next Thanatos. As long as highsec ganks drop loot and provide salvage, those who want to see the world burn will keep their matches ready. But that's what an inferno is for, isn't it? You want some sausages?
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Posted - 2012.04.11 10:46:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote: There are no competitively profitable sources of low-ends in nullsec, at least at current prices. Veldspar alone makes up 40-60% of nullsec ore by units available, it's just that people would rather be mining ABCs. That's an entirely different issue to there not being "enough" low-ends out there, and the situation is complicated by the fact that any boost to low-end acquisition in nullsec is a nerf to hisec mining more-or-less by default.
Do you consider to add a temporary mineral compression item (Compressed Tritanium) until we have something proper in place? I doubt that Passive Targeters are going to cut it. Nobody is going to compress veld in a Rorqual in lowsec. It's just to big and time consuming to use. Also, ore compression needs looking intol. All it is used for right now is to avoid (agreed upon) refinery tax in 0.0 .
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Posted - 2012.04.11 10:49:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the impact on low-end mineral prices.
After thinking about it, he might actually be concerned more with ship prices then with minerals. I could afford 300M for a tier 3 BS. Somehow I doubt that price will be popular with the general public.
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Posted - 2012.04.12 14:22:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:is still noticeably better than the rest of nullsec (on average ~33% lower) so the average bounty income is expected to be higher than elsewhere;
I would like to add that the effect is much bigger then 33%. It's a change of probability to get a better spawn. As a result one can farm up a system for good spawns much quicker. The effect is non-linear.
CCP Greyscale wrote: Same progression of bounties was because, as above, we're not anticipating the meta1-4 loot making up a huge chunk of the actual profits being generated, and because the sec status in the drone regions is *still* really damn good.
And here you are missing a few points. Any alliance has good reason to hold refinery outposts because ratters refine loot. As such any alliance is able to tax ratters in a similar fashion then miners (at least to some degree). With no loot drops that income is basically gone.
There is further the logistical burden for small corps that can't or don't want to rely on miners just to build some ammo. With the changes as they are on sisi you want to fly laz0r boats or you don't want to fly there at all. And be careful about the income from loot drops. A rorqual filled with loot is carrying about 1.5B in minerals right now. As more the mineral prices raise as higher that gets. Two chars with the right ships can fill that rorqual in about 12h with loot. That's 62M/h/char. I speak from experience here. The meta-0 nerf is heavy. The drone nerf is insane.
You are still at a 10 on the Grey Scale.
/me chuckles
I'm all for big cans of worms as I have to capital to make good profits of them. But I would prefer if you would have plan B on your table and a swift way to deploy it. So how does that plan look like?
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:01:00 -
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Wolf TheFallen wrote:All the tears from people crying cause they cannot Go shoot the **** out of things and make massive amount of minerals anymore.
You mean the tears of folk that rented space out to RMTers without facing the risk to end with a phat negative corp wallet? The RMTers will have to train some hulk pilots now as it seams.
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:55:00 -
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Sallisah wrote:Not only will there be no drone droppings, but you have virtually ruined the opportunity for high value ore mining, with the overwhelming majority of systems having such poor true sec status as it's laughable.
You are making assumptions. Don't worry there will be proper strip mining. When someone burns down your sandcaste, bring sausages. |
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Posted - 2012.04.12 18:29:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:I am just being ignorant?
You are ignoring 0.0 . So one could argue that you are indeed ignorant.
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