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Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords BLACK-MARK
100
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:56:00 -
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Eva Volkova wrote:So drones will get bounties like any other npc but no tipe of loot?
Will you change anomalies / plexes for drone regoins?
Will drones have officer drops?
Will drones have haulers?
EvA
Probably not for any of them. But now people will actually want your space. Better start stocking up ships. |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
194
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:56:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Great change to the way Incursion sites spawn, that's enough to make me want to go back knowing I'm doing more than shooting Deltoles all day.
My only concern is that for the pug fleets that were spending time to form up with their T1 guns etc and pulling in 50-60 mil p/h, the change to both how the sites spawn and the 10% nerf to VG payouts may well force them back into L4 missioning. Intended or unfortunate sideeffect?
The sites are still more than worthwhile, just on par with the others now. However, that being said, we will monitor the changes carefully and see how things go.
CCP Affinity | Team Five 0 |-á @CCP_Affinity |
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Tri Vetra
Ascetic Virtues
40
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:57:00 -
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it's not very clear if drones will give sec status increases (like normal rats) or not (like terrible oem and mercenary rats). |
Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:59:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:
but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3
Oh yes they do. When I think about miners I just want to touch them all over with my blasters. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
483
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:01:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Great change to the way Incursion sites spawn, that's enough to make me want to go back knowing I'm doing more than shooting Deltoles all day.
My only concern is that for the pug fleets that were spending time to form up with their T1 guns etc and pulling in 50-60 mil p/h, the change to both how the sites spawn and the 10% nerf to VG payouts may well force them back into L4 missioning. Intended or unfortunate sideeffect?
The sites are still more than worthwhile, just on par with the others now. However, that being said, we will monitor the changes carefully and see how things go.
I still think there's an outlet in turning Scout sites into relativly good sites for small fleets of T1 sub BS level ships. An introductory way for newer players to cut their teeth on and make isk doing it, right now Scout sites feel like they offer nothing. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:01:00 -
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Though we can probably make rough guesses, can you please provide us with a chart showing the bounties to be paid for each drone type?
Not sure if the Incursion changes will have much effect on how they're run, but we'll just have to see.
Any change that gives more player targets to shoot is a welcome one. This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
Someday, this signature may save my life. |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Tribal Conclave
91
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:02:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:corestwo wrote:Nekopyat wrote:CCP Affinity wrote: but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3
Well, think of the null sec miners at least. I like the changes (anything that reduces materials from loot is a step in the right direction IMHO) but this fits in to the perception that CCP is disproportionately catering to the needs of the minority who live in null sec. Now if this was coupled with removal of meta 0 loot from missions we might be on to something ^_^ Think before you post. Or in this case look at the market with minerals rising across the board before you post. Actually CCP Phantom, that reminds me - there was talk of removing Meta 0 loot drops from NPCs. Is that still a thing? I believe it's still a thing, and a thing that's in this patch.
this -> http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/ |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
80
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:02:00 -
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Does this mean that killing rogue drones will also increase security status now? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
3066
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:02:00 -
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We are bears, that care twice as much.
/c
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Andrea Griffin
233
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:05:00 -
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I really do think that drone alloys gave the drones something unique and different than the rest of Eve's PvE enemies. Giving them bounties doesn't make the space unique or interesting or worth fighting over. It's boring and stale and uninteresting
I understand the effect on mining which is why I propose a different change
What about the drones dropping components required for T2 drone production - and that was the only way to get them
This gives them more flavor, something other than a bounty, and makes the nullsec drone regions something valuable and worth fighting over. The alliances that control T2 drone production could end up quite wealthy. It also doesn't create an additional isk faucet like the bounty change will create.
The rest of the changes sound good though, it's just this drone thing. Eve needs more variety, not less. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
699
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:05:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:like So what loot will the drones drop?? Good question. |
Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
9
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:05:00 -
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Without any interesting and shiny loot I'll still be ignoring all those Drone 3/10s and 5/10s I find, I don't run complexes for bounties alone.
And no, parts for those stupid Augmented/Integrated drones don't count. |
Freezalot
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:06:00 -
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What about drone plex's? (Hint: they currently suck balls) |
Securitas Protector
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
14
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:07:00 -
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As part of this change, weGÇÿre also adjusting the security status of drone region systems. As you can see from the image above, the change is an upward adjustment in truesec across most regions, with the ones closer to empire ending up with a higher truesec than the ones further away. The overall goal of all these changes is to make the drone regions more economically balanced, and to reduce the downward pressure on mineral prices from the drone regions so mining becomes more profitable.
Am I the only one who saw the opposite on the image? All of them had either the same average truesec or lower, but in the dev blog it says the change is an UPWARD adjustment. |
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings
1272
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:08:00 -
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I, for one, welcome our new 0.0 Hulk overlords.
Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
50
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:08:00 -
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Good, you made mining profitable again. I always thought it was wrong that the main source of minerals was not mining, but shooting things.
But now you need to change the actual process of mining into something that can be enjoyable to someone who isn't yet brain-dead. Even I may start mining when it yields 200 m/hour, but I'm still going to hate it. Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers. CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |
Korerin Mayul
hirr Against ALL Authorities
8
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:09:00 -
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hooot digity, this is going to cause some major wonk on the mineral markets.
great changes, i love a bit of a shake-up every once in a while, the drone regions will never look the same again. |
Iosue
0verload. IMPERIAL LEGI0N
86
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:09:00 -
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awesome sauce! thanks for removing drone poo and meta 0 drops. finally all those sp will be worth something!! |
J'Rela
Black Lotus Heavy Industries Ethereal Dawn
2
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:12:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Read this dev blog by CCP Affinity from Team Five 0 and learn everything you always wanted to know about 'carebearing 2.0' (but were afraid to ask)!
tl;dr: CCP swings the nerfbat around like a blind drunk in a fog, removing everything unique and interesting about the Drone Regions in the process.
Please, CCP, stop trying to alter player behavior. You can't change what you don't understand.
I know we've never actually done the "Sandbox" and "Big and Uneven" things you always talk about. Could we maybe try those, instead of making everything more prescriptive and more like everything else with every new patch?
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Jean Li
Underaged Miners Inc. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:13:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Good, you made mining profitable again. I always thought it was wrong that the main source of minerals was not mining, but shooting things.
But now you need to change the actual process of mining into something that can be enjoyable to someone who isn't yet brain-dead. Even I may start mining when it yields 200 m/hour, but I'm still going to hate it.
You know that mining is shooting rocks, right? |
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Alec Freeman
The Dark Space Initiative Enclave.
77
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:13:00 -
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Hm. Wonder how long it is too 500m battleships and we all start fighting in T1 cruisers / frigs like the good old days. |
Durr Hurrr Durr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:16:00 -
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J'Rela wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:Read this dev blog by CCP Affinity from Team Five 0 and learn everything you always wanted to know about 'carebearing 2.0' (but were afraid to ask)! tl;dr: CCP swings the nerfbat around like a blind drunk in a fog, removing everything unique and interesting about the Drone Regions in the process. Please, CCP, stop trying to alter player behavior. You can't change what you don't understand. I know we've never actually done the "Sandbox" and "Big and Uneven" things you always talk about. Could we maybe try those, instead of making everything more prescriptive and more like everything else with every new patch?
Please do cry more, it sustains me.
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:18:00 -
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J'Rela wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:Read this dev blog by CCP Affinity from Team Five 0 and learn everything you always wanted to know about 'carebearing 2.0' (but were afraid to ask)! tl;dr: CCP swings the nerfbat around like a blind drunk in a fog, removing everything unique and interesting about the Drone Regions in the process. Please, CCP, stop trying to alter player behavior. You can't change what you don't understand. I know we've never actually done the "Sandbox" and "Big and Uneven" things you always talk about. Could we maybe try those, instead of making everything more prescriptive and more like everything else with every new patch? :sun: |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
197
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:19:00 -
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Largo Coronet wrote:Though we can probably make rough guesses, can you please provide us with a chart showing the bounties to be paid for each drone type?
Not sure if the Incursion changes will have much effect on how they're run, but we'll just have to see.
Any change that gives more player targets to shoot is a welcome one.
These changes will be on SISI tomorrow (hopefully - definitely this week!) They are exactly the same progression as the existing pirate NPCs CCP Affinity | Team Five 0 |-á @CCP_Affinity |
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Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
1765
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:20:00 -
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Alx Warlord wrote:Also, some sort of X-Large corporate hangar for minners to store stuff on POS is realy needed.... it makes no sense storing things on a X-Large ship assembly array... Also it would be realy interesting to fave a tab for each player store its stuff...( remove the tabs and add folders or something like it...)... this could also be applied to assembly arrays!
The problem is that POS hangars and so on are all extensions of the corporation hangar stuff, and as such are tied into the horrible mess which is corp mechanics as they are at the moment.
All the UI stuff is getting some love, which will help a little, but without effectively scrapping and rewriting all of the corp mechanics (and the new an interesting ways that could break things) means its probably not going to be possible for quite some time. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
50
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:21:00 -
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Jean Li wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:Good, you made mining profitable again. I always thought it was wrong that the main source of minerals was not mining, but shooting things.
But now you need to change the actual process of mining into something that can be enjoyable to someone who isn't yet brain-dead. Even I may start mining when it yields 200 m/hour, but I'm still going to hate it. You know that mining is shooting rocks, right?
Yes, it's the same, only the rocks don't even shoot back, so it's even more boring than PvE combat.
Which is why it must be changed. Into a mini-game that is completely different from shooting stuff. It has to involve some measure of player skill requirement. Deep knowledge about game mechanics as well as practice should give you an advantage. Scanning is an ideal example for such a mini-game.
And of course it should not be as completely repetitive as it is now. That would also discourage botting. Right now all miners are bots, whether they run botting software or not. Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers. CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
209
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:26:00 -
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I want to see viable scout sites, they sould be less profitable then vanguards ofc but their current state is silly. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
524
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:28:00 -
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Inferno, the ebil combat expansion, is going to be remembered as one of the greatest *miners* patches ever. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Securitas Protector
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
14
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:28:00 -
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To be clear; I think the sec status of the drone regions DOES need a nerf but I think CCP was much too heavy-handed. Maybe a 10% nerf across the board or something. |
Visreae
Iskitution Philanderies Associated
1
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Posted - 2012.04.10 15:28:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:Largo Coronet wrote:Though we can probably make rough guesses, can you please provide us with a chart showing the bounties to be paid for each drone type?
Not sure if the Incursion changes will have much effect on how they're run, but we'll just have to see.
Any change that gives more player targets to shoot is a welcome one. These changes will be on SISI tomorrow (hopefully - definitely this week!) They are exactly the same progression as the existing pirate NPCs
You do not have my permission to do this. Please consult with me in the future before you make more mistakes. Thank you.
To be clear drones will be worth even less than any other pirate, which they already were, in order to make mining look more attractive. Are you kidding me? No loot, and worst salvage, and you think "Hey drones are OP, lets nerf them for the miners!" Please stop huffing the dry erase markers. |
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