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Noskill McCheese
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Posted - 2008.12.08 04:11:00 -
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I just upgraded into a typhoon after spending the last 5 months or so in a cane. My cane is a ****mobile and I find that this BS can tank more damage, but takes a lot more damage so the tank is about the same.. while cane throws out more dps just not as long range. I have poor missile skills but decent drone and gunnery support. 1200mm arty x4 is doing loldps it's all pretty much coming from drones atm.
I'm looking for a good mission fit for l4 in a phoon to make money with minimal sp spent on BS specific skills (large projectile, minmatar bs, heavy drone op etc) but I have no problem getting support stuff that will affect my BC performance (as i'm training for command ships pvp but just doing l4 for a bit to make money) Currently working on awu but would it be more efficient to go cruises/torps with drones and drop the arty? Got a nice dual rep t2 armor tank going on already just need more dps.
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eXtas
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2008.12.08 04:21:00 -
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out of my head:
4x 1200mm arty, 4x cruise ab, 3x cap recharger 7 slot tank ? --------
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.12.08 04:43:00 -
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Check the fits in this thread out. It's quite recent and has a couple good setups.
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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emf
Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2008.12.08 07:33:00 -
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Use a tempest or maelstrom.. Even if you have missile skills the phoon is still a bad choice.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.12.08 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Noskill McCheese I just upgraded into a typhoon after spending the last 5 months or so in a cane. My cane is a ****mobile and I find that this BS can tank more damage, but takes a lot more damage so the tank is about the same.. while cane throws out more dps just not as long range. I have poor missile skills but decent drone and gunnery support. 1200mm arty x4 is doing loldps it's all pretty much coming from drones atm.
I'm looking for a good mission fit for l4 in a phoon to make money with minimal sp spent on BS specific skills (large projectile, minmatar bs, heavy drone op etc) but I have no problem getting support stuff that will affect my BC performance (as i'm training for command ships pvp but just doing l4 for a bit to make money) Currently working on awu but would it be more efficient to go cruises/torps with drones and drop the arty? Got a nice dual rep t2 armor tank going on already just need more dps.
Typhoon and minimal skills do not go together. My Vargur is actually less skill intensive than my Typhoon. I have a love/hate relationship with the Typhoon because it really requires 3 BS class weapon systems to train. I continue to throw SP at it and it continues to work about as well as my Leatherman. It can do almost anything, but as a knife it isn't as good as my Kabar, it isn't as good at cutting wire as my wire cutters and if I really need to screw something in, a screwdriver works a lot better. But hey, it's versatile.
I have definitely flown more different Typhoon fits than any other ship. I currently have only 10 possible fits in my EFT folder. That's about 8 more than each of my other BSs. Typical setups include: 4x Cruise II, 3x 1200mm II, 1x Drone Link, 5x Tech II sentries, mix of cap mods/tank (or you can go short range with Siege, ACs, Heavy Drones). I don't really believe in damage mods on this ship, since it has three primary weapon systems. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome. |
King Rothgar
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Posted - 2008.12.08 12:48:00 -
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I agree with the above, you're really better off with a maelstrom, atleast at first. The maelstrom is easier to fit, doesn't need any missile skill at all and is a solid performer even with low SP. I too cut my teeth with a hurricane for a long time, my first try with a typhoon actually drove me away from BS's in general for a couple months, at which point I went caldari (and later switched to a maelstrom and liked it). It's more expensive I know, but don't waste your isk on a phoon, if your charicter is under 2 years old you will hate it. Even after that long it is very likely you will still hate it.
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.12.08 18:29:00 -
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BEcause of the split weapon system of the typhoon, you'll need to pretty much have maxed out both your gunnery skills and your missle skills to make it worthwhile. I prefer the Tempest to the Maelstrom because I like to speed tank my missions, but either one is far far better.
Don't use the phoon for missions until you have t2 arty, cruise, and sentry drones. _______________ Pwett Founder <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Cyrus Brown
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Posted - 2008.12.08 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Cyrus Brown on 08/12/2008 21:45:31
4 x 1200 'Scout' 4 x Cruise 'Arbelest'
4 x Cap Rehcarger II
4 x active hardeners for mission rats 1 x DCU II 1 x Large Armor Rep II 1 x BCU II
1 x Ancillary Current Router Rig 2 x Auxillary Nano Pump Rig
5 x Rat Specific Sentry Drone II 5 x Rat Specific Medium Drone II
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Miana Batarr
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Posted - 2008.12.08 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pwett BEcause of the split weapon system of the typhoon, you'll need to pretty much have maxed out both your gunnery skills and your missle skills to make it worthwhile. I prefer the Tempest to the Maelstrom because I like to speed tank my missions, but either one is far far better.
Don't use the phoon for missions until you have t2 arty, cruise, and sentry drones.
You're right. But even with maxed out skills I'd even take the Tempest over the Typh for missions any day (the Mael is the best choice for Missions IMO). The Typh is a great PvP ship (but VERY, VERY skill intensive) but no good for missions (at least not LV 4).
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.08 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 08/12/2008 22:15:56 For PVE is the Phoon is the most skill intensive BS of all BSs.
That said T2 guns and missiles are no more required for it than they are for any other lvl 4 BS. In fact for fitting reasons I would suggest faction weapons.
EDIT: low skill Minmatar players should be looking at the Maelstrom.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Noskill McCheese
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Posted - 2008.12.09 02:50:00 -
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If most of you read the original post I plan on getting by with minimal BS specific skills. Third guy down thanks for the link I refit with 4x cruise, dropped the ****ty large arty for T2 720s. L4's are easy now.
Blah blah maelstrom, tempest, crap imo. Shields are for women and I'd have to train minmatar battleship past level 1 to use them anyway.
Currently destroying level 4's with cruise missiles level 1, minmatar bs level 1, heavy drone operation level 1. Rest of you must suck if you couldn't do a level 4 until having tech2 large everything I guess.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.12.09 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Noskill McCheese If most of you read the original post I plan on getting by with minimal BS specific skills. Third guy down thanks for the link I refit with 4x cruise, dropped the ****ty large arty for T2 720s. L4's are easy now.
Blah blah maelstrom, tempest, crap imo. Shields are for women and I'd have to train minmatar battleship past level 1 to use them anyway.
Currently destroying level 4's with cruise missiles level 1, minmatar bs level 1, heavy drone operation level 1. Rest of you must suck if you couldn't do a level 4 until having tech2 large everything I guess.
No, we just don't like to spend longer than necessary running missions. Have fun with your "minimally" skilled ship. To each his own, they say.
Why would you come here to ask for help then insult everyone who offered you advice? ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome. |
Noskill McCheese
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Posted - 2008.12.09 03:20:00 -
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I thought I was insulting the people who didn't read my post and were going off about teir 2/3 BB's and tech2 large crap, completely ignoring that I stated I would rather devote SP to skills that will improve my BC while I make some ezmode high sec mission money. Sorry if that's not you and you took offense.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.09 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Noskill McCheese
Currently destroying level 4's with cruise missiles level 1, minmatar bs level 1, heavy drone operation level 1. Rest of you must suck if you couldn't do a level 4 until having tech2 large everything I guess.
Ignorance is bliss newb.
No one said you couldnt compete a level 4 in a joke of a set up. But your wasting your time.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Trigos Trilobi
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.09 09:34:00 -
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Your definition of 'destroying L4s' might be a bit different than mine, but I'm willing to bet that if you don't intend to train your bs relevant skills past 1, you'd get better isk/hour doing L3s in a bc.
If you're heartbent on only training bc skills, you might consider investing in caldari cruiser skill and train up heavy missiles for drake. Passive shield skills to 4 is few days of training only aswell, and once you have command ship skills trained you can move on to nighthawk which will most likely be better than any minmatar bs for missions. You can probably do most of l4s in a sufficiently tanked drake aswell, tho the dps is kinda low.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.09 13:21:00 -
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I used to use a slightly lower dps setup for the phoon mission running:
4x cruise, 2x salvager, tractor beam, cloak (for low sec) 3x Cap recharger, target painter dual large armor rep, 3x rat specific hardeners, 2xBCU
Drones: 5x ogres 5x hammerheads 5x hobgoblins
Rigs: Armor repper specific - aux nanobot x2 and nanobot accel x1
The reason I would dump the projectiles is, as you said, they do loldps and furthermore, having salvagers and a tractor beam increases your hourly earnings without needing to switch ships. At the end of the day, it's isk/hour that I used to value most when mission running.
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