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Captator
Universal Securities Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: TrustMeMan Zealot with 45km optimal range? Are you kidding me ? I got about 12km on my multispec pulse zealot and i got maxed up skills...
Olso the DPS output is way better on the deimos than the zealot (basters > pulse and deimos can fit 5 hammerhead T2)
Scorch you pillock
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TrustMeMan
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:42:00 -
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so +50% range? base is 24-25 ? that doesn't make 45km.. Anyway, if you use that you got even worst DPS and awefull tracking and awefull cap use :)
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Zo5o
Longcat is Long
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:26:00 -
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I think rail snipers should outdps laser snipers in your typical laggy fleet/blob situations to compensate for the huge advantage under such lag that laser snipers have re: not having to reload.
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Crellion
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: TrustMeMan Zealot with 45km optimal range? Are you kidding me ? I got about 12km on my multispec pulse zealot and i got maxed up skills...
Olso the DPS output is way better on the deimos than the zealot (basters > pulse and deimos can fit 5 hammerhead T2)
Ummm if you got maxed skills it's time to open market and search: Scorch M. Your life will change forever...
Re: Diemost do not even try to compare that abomination with the zealot... With similar tank the Zealot has 2-3 more damage mods, highest tier guns instead of lowest and a huge range advantage (this last being the decisive factor) so as I said don't bring the Diemost up because in CCPland this will get the Zealot nerfed...
Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
Crellion
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: TrustMeMan so +50% range? base is 24-25 ? that doesn't make 45km.. Anyway, if you use that you got even worst DPS and awefull tracking and awefull cap use :)
Lol do not insist nublet. The tracking is heavenly given the distnce you are shooting from... it has almost better tracking than missles and the damage is still huge and it uses less cap than MF not moar... Are you 100% sure you are maxed skill or are you rolling with modulated lasers and radio crystals at lvl4? Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
TrustMeMan
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Posted - 2008.12.12 09:26:00 -
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Ok about the cap... I'm noob in amarr indeed, got my first zealot atm...
But i'm still right about dps, scorch zealot <<< deimos when it comes about dps :)
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.12 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: TrustMeMan Ok about the cap... I'm noob in amarr indeed, got my first zealot atm...
But i'm still right about dps, scorch zealot <<< deimos when it comes about dps :)
Not when you check the killmails. Zealot is much better dmg dealer because it wont spend as much time on mwding to the target.Oh and imho em/thermal is much better dmg types than kinetic/thermal.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
Originally by: TrustMeMan so +50% range? base is 24-25 ? that doesn't make 45km.. Anyway, if you use that you got even worst DPS and awefull tracking and awefull cap use :)
Lol do not insist nublet. The tracking is heavenly given the distnce you are shooting from... it has almost better tracking than missles and the damage is still huge and it uses less cap than MF not moar... Are you 100% sure you are maxed skill or are you rolling with modulated lasers and radio crystals at lvl4?
Actually, since QR it is tracking better than missiles :/ -- 249km locking? |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: TrustMeMan Ok about the cap... I'm noob in amarr indeed, got my first zealot atm...
But i'm still right about dps, scorch zealot <<< deimos when it comes about dps :)
Not when you check the killmails. Zealot is much better dmg dealer because it wont spend as much time on mwding to the target.Oh and imho em/thermal is much better dmg types than kinetic/thermal.
Better damage dealer, yes. Better damage types, no. It's still the case that most armour tankers EANM tank (in PvP) putting EM/Therm near the top of their resists. -- 249km locking? |
Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Naomi Knight on 12/12/2008 11:34:41
Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: TrustMeMan Ok about the cap... I'm noob in amarr indeed, got my first zealot atm...
But i'm still right about dps, scorch zealot <<< deimos when it comes about dps :)
Not when you check the killmails. Zealot is much better dmg dealer because it wont spend as much time on mwding to the target.Oh and imho em/thermal is much better dmg types than kinetic/thermal.
Better damage dealer, yes. Better damage types, no. It's still the case that most armour tankers EANM tank (in PvP) putting EM/Therm near the top of their resists.
It is still the case that most support ships shield tank or no tank at all putting em the lowest resist.
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Crellion
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: TrustMeMan Ok about the cap... I'm noob in amarr indeed, got my first zealot atm...
But i'm still right about dps, scorch zealot <<< deimos when it comes about dps :)
Not when you check the killmails. Zealot is much better dmg dealer because it wont spend as much time on mwding to the target.Oh and imho em/thermal is much better dmg types than kinetic/thermal.
Better damage dealer, yes. Better damage types, no. It's still the case that most armour tankers EANM tank (in PvP) putting EM/Therm near the top of their resists.
Whereas tech II ships and most BSs(as opposed to the remaining BSs and the odd tech II cruiser) when going for heavy tank plug the hole with an active hardener or two and eanm/dcuII on top of that leaving EM (after the -10%) as their worst resist in many of the best heavy tank set ups used in pvp... wink wink Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:38:00 -
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rails are super duper when you compare them to artillery, dont complain.
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Nia Yiq
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:46:00 -
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The only boost 425mm rails need is a locking cap of 400k or something so wen can at least make us of it optimal.
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Kingwood
Amarr Defile.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:50:00 -
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Naomi, please shut up about the Zealot, mkay? Every single thread you post in you manage to derail and ***** about it. I'm pretty tired of your trolling, tbh.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic rails are super duper when you compare them to artillery, dont complain.
No because cap use is significant , and beams are better in most situations , so i complain , if you think arties need a boost than say so ,but rails need a boost.
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Arkadrell
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: AMF2 Just give them more capacity and I'm happy,seriously its really annoying having to reload every few minutes,don't get me started on the laser-crystals thing
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GO play with a minmatars artilieries!! within 1 week, you ll be back to your hybrid turrets and be THANKFULL for its ammo cap and its slightly better tracking!
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ViperVenom
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: AMF2 Just give them more capacity and I'm happy,seriously its really annoying having to reload every few minutes,don't get me started on the laser-crystals thing
.......................... Can i plz get a 25-30 Mag clip?...... Thats all ill take the WTFGRY tracking
--Yarring in a system near you--
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BiggestT
Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.12.13 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic rails are super duper when you compare them to artillery, dont complain.
No because cap use is significant , and beams are better in most situations , so i complain , if you think arties need a boost than say so ,but rails need a boost.
Excactly, all the minmi whienrs need to make their own thread, this ones about RAILS. No-ones disagreed that rails need a boost besides the "OMG BETTER THAN ARTYZ!!11!" whines .
Lower cap use, increase alpha, boost tracking, i dont care just gimme better 425s! :S EVE history
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Knawt Ongrid
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Posted - 2008.12.13 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic rails are super duper when you compare them to artillery, dont complain.
No because cap use is significant , and beams are better in most situations , so i complain , if you think arties need a boost than say so ,but rails need a boost.
Excactly, all the minmi whienrs need to make their own thread, this ones about RAILS. No-ones disagreed that rails need a boost besides the "OMG BETTER THAN ARTYZ!!11!" whines .
Lower cap use, increase alpha, boost tracking, i dont care just gimme better 425s! :S
Kingwood said "Naomi, please shut up about the Zealot, mkay? Every single thread you post in you manage to derail and ***** about it. I'm pretty tired of your trolling, tbh."
Yes Kingwood, these two, Naomi and Biggy are relentless Caldari whiners. Gotta hand it to them for tenacity, though.
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Xephys
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Posted - 2008.12.13 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Xephys on 13/12/2008 16:33:55
Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic rails are super duper when you compare them to artillery, dont complain.
No because cap use is significant , and beams are better in most situations , so i complain , if you think arties need a boost than say so ,but rails need a boost.
Excactly, all the minmi whienrs need to make their own thread, this ones about RAILS. No-ones disagreed that rails need a boost besides the "OMG BETTER THAN ARTYZ!!11!" whines .
Lower cap use, increase alpha, boost tracking, i dont care just gimme better 425s! :S
No, because rails are not in need of a buff/nerf. They're fine the way they are. Arties and Beams, on the other hand..
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BiggestT
Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.12.13 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Xephys Edited by: Xephys on 13/12/2008 16:33:55
Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic rails are super duper when you compare them to artillery, dont complain.
No because cap use is significant , and beams are better in most situations , so i complain , if you think arties need a boost than say so ,but rails need a boost.
Excactly, all the minmi whienrs need to make their own thread, this ones about RAILS. No-ones disagreed that rails need a boost besides the "OMG BETTER THAN ARTYZ!!11!" whines .
Lower cap use, increase alpha, boost tracking, i dont care just gimme better 425s! :S
No, because rails are not in need of a buff/nerf. They're fine the way they are. Arties and Beams, on the other hand..
Considering youve only ever flown minmi ships, i can safely say you have no idea.
You ever used them? uhh no.
Sure arty's may need a boost, but so do rails imo, and quite a few ppl agree. Its not that they cant perform their role properly, its that they do it in such a costly (capwise) and underwhelming fashion (poor dps, lousy tracking and outdone by lasors in the bs range for sniping).
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Xephys
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Posted - 2008.12.13 16:47:00 -
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Oh snap. If you're gonna say it like that, I can also say you've only flown caldari ships. It doesn't matter. I've talked to quite a few people who've flown both, or all three and they do not think railguns are underpowered in any way. They have their weaknesses like any other gun, but that is not grounds for buffs. Whining for the sake of whining is really disguising tbh.
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BiggestT
Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.12.13 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Xephys Oh snap. If you're gonna say it like that, I can also say you've only flown caldari ships. It doesn't matter. I've talked to quite a few people who've flown both, or all three and they do not think railguns are underpowered in any way. They have their weaknesses like any other gun, but that is not grounds for buffs. Whining for the sake of whining is really disguising tbh.
Your whining about our whining and then whining about arty's. So whos whining for the sake of whining?
But yes i have only flown caldari ships, but unlike you I am not saying that arties dont need a boost. As youve never used rails you cant say for sure that they are fine. Going on other peoples opinions is a terrible idea, i.e. when i was a noob my ceo told me that bs's were terrible and that one should only ever use command ships lol. Luckily i didnt take htat to heart.
Im betting your friends say rails are fine, but will all be using their apocs for sniping lately
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Knawt Ongrid
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Posted - 2008.12.13 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Xephys Oh snap. If you're gonna say it like that, I can also say you've only flown caldari ships. It doesn't matter. I've talked to quite a few people who've flown both, or all three and they do not think railguns are underpowered in any way. They have their weaknesses like any other gun, but that is not grounds for buffs. Whining for the sake of whining is really disguising tbh.
Right on Brother!
Yeah, I've shot all the wads there are to shoot. Rails are not on the bottom of the list. Each gun type has its drawbacks. Arty is in need of the most help (at the very least more clip size is needed).
CCP appears to feel it should pre-nerf each type to "prevent" cross racial use. So, rails lack per hit damage, beams suck insane cap, and artys fire once a month. They overdid it with artys though. Rails damage pre-nerf is the easiest to overcome with ship level, other gunnery skills, rigs, and damage mods.
I sort of like Biggy, but he really needs to diversify his racial experience. He may then find Caldari (and Caldari related weapons systems) are not so bad off.
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Xephys
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Posted - 2008.12.13 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Xephys Oh snap. If you're gonna say it like that, I can also say you've only flown caldari ships. It doesn't matter. I've talked to quite a few people who've flown both, or all three and they do not think railguns are underpowered in any way. They have their weaknesses like any other gun, but that is not grounds for buffs. Whining for the sake of whining is really disguising tbh.
Your whining about our whining and then whining about arty's. So whos whining for the sake of whining?
But yes i have only flown caldari ships, but unlike you I am not saying that arties dont need a boost. As youve never used rails you cant say for sure that they are fine. Going on other peoples opinions is a terrible idea, i.e. when i was a noob my ceo told me that bs's were terrible and that one should only ever use command ships lol. Luckily i didnt take htat to heart.
Im betting your friends say rails are fine, but will all be using their apocs for sniping lately
Right, lemme give it to you this way.
Arties < Rails < Lasers. Ok?
This means that Rails are the most balanced long range weapon system. Which means that they're the ones who should be left alone, while the under/overpowered systems should be looked at and scaled up/down.
Also, no. People fly whatever they have the best skills with. I know plenty of Rohk users who go sniping in them. Amarr is just the FOTM.
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BiggestT
Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.12.13 17:07:00 -
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Rails may be better than arties, buts thats like saying an old datsun is better than a horse and cart; while some of the competition is screaming around in beamers.
Id agree that rails would need to be assessed only after arties and beams get looked at. However i cant see rails being too great if arties get a boost, as rails wld still be the same and probly not that great... EVE history
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Ravenal
The Fated
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Posted - 2008.12.13 18:07:00 -
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IMO all the "range" guns should be changed to fit into this frame: Three time frames: short (alpha + 1 minute or so) medium (post alpha + 1 minute) long (2-3 minutes after alpha)
Artillery guns should have the highest damage in the short category. Railguns should exceed arty damage after about a minute (when the arties need to reload). When it is time for the railguns to reload lasers DOT will become the greatest.
will leave implications to the masses to discern... i've made my case about this somewhere in an old thread. . |
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