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Gajakk Quelm
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Posted - 2008.12.09 22:37:00 -
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I've tried this game 3 times, this being my 3rd time, and this time, after getting used to it, I was really enjoying it.
I've spent the last two weeks working tirelessly to get a ship, mine resources, etc, and because of one false move into a 0.4 system, I'm dead, and all the mining equipment/resources I've worked hours to get have gone to pot in a few seconds.
Such a shame.
Most of you will accuse me of 'whining', and go on to furiously protect the game, but I don't see how EVE will ever continue to gain members with two weeks of work going in a minute due to one mistake.
Thanks all.
Cya.
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Lagor113
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Posted - 2008.12.09 22:45:00 -
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You had all your isk tied up in one ship and took it into low-sec?
Would you empty your savings account and walk around the local drug dealer alleyways at night?
Can i have your....oh you lost it all, nevermind
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Gajakk Quelm
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Posted - 2008.12.09 22:47:00 -
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As I said repeatably, it was a mistake which I made by turning off the 'don't choose routes through low sec' (I wasn't using auto-pilot either).
And hilarious. How witty of you.
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Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.09 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gajakk Quelm I don't see how EVE will ever continue to gain members with two weeks of work going in a minute due to one mistake.
Because many players don't sink two weeks of work into a single ship. They only buy ships that cost a few hours to replace.
Those that do sink weeks into a single ship take a great deal of care with their investment.
There is the possiblity that this is simply not the right type of game for you. Then again, you might enjoy rising from the ashes and the sense of accomplishment in a victory that can only be felt when there is a significant risk of failure.
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Oregin
Rage Of Fury Order of the Black Dragons
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Posted - 2008.12.09 22:58:00 -
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Sorry to hear you're taking the loss that way. Personally, I think that if there wasn't that kind of risk in EVE it wouldn't be the same game. The adrenaline you get taking something big and expensive through dangerous space (and the converse, finding something big and expensive) is what sets this game apart from anything I've ever played before. To put it another way, the mundane grinding which funds those brief moments is what makes them so gut-wrenchingly terrifying. Beats Ravenholm any day. It does take a certain mental disposition though to have all your hard work disappear so quickly and get over the frustration (and anger as is so often the case)...EVE's a unique beast...
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knifee
Caldari Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2008.12.09 23:00:00 -
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Well here's the thing, as you rightly said it was a mistake, the question is do you learn from your mistake or just quit.
Eve is a game that's not that kind to people that can't take a few setbacks.
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Asestorian
Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.12.09 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gajakk Quelm I don't see how EVE will ever continue to gain members with two weeks of work going in a minute due to one mistake.
And yet, since it's birth, it's done exactly that. People have come and gone saying exactly the same as you, and EVE has continued to grow.
That's just the kind of game EVE is. Some people like the fact that there is a risk.
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Destiny Balls
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Vele Nori
Amarr Dakinii
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Posted - 2008.12.09 23:17:00 -
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Do not undock with a ship that takes you several weeks to earn. Only fly what you can earn back in a few days of game play. EVE has a harsh death penalty but it can be avoided. Just think through everything you do before you jump on doing it.
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.12.09 23:53:00 -
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EVE has continued to grow for the last 5.5 years under the exact conditions you complain about. Many people have lost a lot more then two weeks worth of work to one mistake and continue to play. The fact that you cannot see it growing despite the clear objective evidence that it has been growing for years, and will likely continue to do so, speaks more to your lack of imagination than anything. ----------------------------------------------------
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.10 04:04:00 -
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Welcome to EVE. -
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Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.10 04:07:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Substance on 10/12/2008 04:06:49 i actually like it. someone mentioned gut wrenching terror.
i have never encountered a game that can do that without going horror. eve is capable of producing elation without using achievements and ranks. it can produce terror, horror and anger without using zombies and daemons.
its the only game i know that can do that.
anyway, another interesting thing about eve is people do help each other. send me a mail so i know you haven't rage quitted, and ill happily top up your bank balance a bit, so you can get in that barge or whatever it was again
my only requirement for this service is that when you are in the same position as i am, you help someone else the same way. - PvPers always say "GB2WoW". the message is that EVE is hard, and people just need to deal with it. wasn't it funny how when nano's started making it hard for *them*, that all went out the window? |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.10 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gajakk Quelm I've tried this game 3 times, this being my 3rd time, and this time, after getting used to it, I was really enjoying it.
I've spent the last two weeks working tirelessly to get a ship, mine resources, etc, and because of one false move into a 0.4 system, I'm dead, and all the mining equipment/resources I've worked hours to get have gone to pot in a few seconds.
Such a shame.
Most of you will accuse me of 'whining', and go on to furiously protect the game, but I don't see how EVE will ever continue to gain members with two weeks of work going in a minute due to one mistake.
Thanks all.
Cya.
EVE has been growing ever since its creation, and it used to be far worse than it is now. If you can't tolerate that making mistakes in EVE results in loss then this isn't the game for you. You're not going to elicit sympathy by posting on the forums; I don't really know what you were trying to accomplish here.
Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.10 06:37:00 -
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The best way to overcome a loss like this is to pull yourself up by the bootstraps and go out and make somebody else cry. Losing your mining ship hurt because it was so hard to get -- but that's what makes the game great. You have things of real value in it and you can lose them just like that. Didn't it make your heart beat faster? In EVE, both the good guys and the bad guys are human players. It's up to you to choose which one you want to be!
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Ninjas N Pirates Wong Thong Crew
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Posted - 2008.12.10 06:41:00 -
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Military experts are calling this a nerd rage
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Habaticus
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.12.10 07:40:00 -
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All good words above. Learn from your mistake. Start over. Live and breathe to gank the son of a bitc*.
A fellow noob Habaticus
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zibelthurdos
Happy Jihad One-Way Shipping
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Posted - 2008.12.10 08:44:00 -
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2 words, eve university ----------------------------------------------- Don't think of it as dying, Think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush |
Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.10 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Habaticus All good words above. Learn from your mistake. Start over. Live and breathe to gank the son of a bitc*.
A fellow noob Habaticus
hah, theres a guy who ganked me about 15 months ago, three days after i signed up. he is still at -10 in my standings book, and im just about to start training for a carrier. wont HE be in for a surprise! - PvPers always say "GB2WoW". the message is that EVE is hard, and people just need to deal with it. wasn't it funny how when nano's started making it hard for *them*, that all went out the window? |
Louis deGuerre
Gallente Universe At War
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Posted - 2008.12.10 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 10/12/2008 10:50:13
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Military experts are calling this a nerd rage
Sounds more like a troll to me. For whining we have a whole forum called General Discussion btw. Take it there.
Almost forgot to include obligatory "Go back to WoW"
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.10 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gajakk Quelm I don't see how EVE will ever continue to gain members with two weeks of work going in a minute due to one mistake.
And that's PRECISELY why EVE is growing : because it's the only decent game around that lets you do it. Some people actually like it that way, and that's who most long-time EVE players are - there's just no other place where they can find something like that.
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Aion Amarra
Minmatar New Eden Research Organisation StarFleet Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.10 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Substance
Originally by: Habaticus All good words above. Learn from your mistake. Start over. Live and breathe to gank the son of a bitc*.
A fellow noob Habaticus
hah, theres a guy who ganked me about 15 months ago, three days after i signed up. he is still at -10 in my standings book, and im just about to start training for a carrier. wont HE be in for a surprise!
Heh. I hope you have him in your address book and he still logs in once in a while.
Otherwise that could turn out to be quite the bummer.
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:17:00 -
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You mined for 2 weeks, put all your posessions into your precious ship, and jumped into low-sec.
How is this the game's fault? --
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Wa'roun
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:30:00 -
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Gaj put this into perspective:
Just a few days ago there was, and still is available for you to read, a news story of a pilot making a mistake.
Join channel: "Eve University" or read here |
Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gajakk Quelm As I said repeatably, it was a mistake which I made by turning off the 'don't choose routes through low sec' (I wasn't using auto-pilot either).
That was not your mistake. Your mistake was not checking your route. I check every route the autopilot plots, without exception. It's really easy too, since all you have to do is look for orange/red dots on the left of your screen. If you can't handle such a simple thing when you're undocking your entire wealth, EVE may not be for you.
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Girabaldi D'Protagonist
Minmatar In Theory.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 13:01:00 -
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If you are still around, EVE Mail me in game and maybe we can get you to a place where you can enjoy this game.
Wnx Protagonist Brig General Alpha North American Gaming Warrior Nation
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Mithos Victus
Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.12.10 13:27:00 -
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HALP! I messed up, now it's someone else's fault. I can haz do-overs plox?
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Seriously?
Would you enjoy a game with no risk or challenge? Isn't that kind of the point? _______________________________________________
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Girabaldi D'Protagonist
Minmatar In Theory.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 13:31:00 -
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There is a challenge to this game and some folks take longer to learn "how" to play this game than others. It can be very painful for a new person that just jumps right in there and thinks they can rule the world.
Remember just because you can sit in the seat doesnt mean you can fly it.
Sometimes ya just gotta take some of these guys under your wing and teach them the ropes.. then they become productive members of the corp and they might actually have some fun.
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Alandrix Deck
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Posted - 2008.12.10 13:35:00 -
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I've just started playing EvE, after wandering through the MMO market for the last few years. Tbh, one of the major draw cards, for me, is that you can loose it all. Makes for an exciting game.
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Reniara Silas
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.10 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Alandrix Deck I've just started playing EvE, after wandering through the MMO market for the last few years. Tbh, one of the major draw cards, for me, is that you can loose it all. Makes for an exciting game.
Bingo!
Now, don't get me wrong. I still have my active accounts in other games. It's good for a bit of harmless (and I mean that literally) fun every now and again. Though I have to admit, Fallout 3 is proving to be the same, without a recurring subscription fee.
I like the fact that I have to be "on point" every moment I'm online. Right now, most of the ships I regularly fly can be easily replaced but it wasn't always like that. I'm sure everyone can think of a time when they were new that they suffered what seemed like an unrecoverable loss. But, just like in life, you either roll up into a fetal position and "give up the ghost" or you stand up, dust yourself off, and get back what you lost. I remember my Vince Lombardi wannabe football coach in high school who used to throw around clichT sayings like: "The only thing worse than losing, is quitting." and "The difference between a winner and a loser is a winner gets up one more time than he falls." (or the more succinct "Get knocked down five times, get up six").
I dunno about the OP but I've never let a game whoop my ass and I don't (and didn't) plan to start. All of the games that vexed me and turned me off (from Legacy of the Ancients to Daggerfall to TecmoBowl and on and on) finally fell to persistence. You can quit if you want, it's your choice. But quitting because of your own humanity (you made a mistake, you didn't lose your stuff to a bug) seems kinda short-sighted to me.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.10 16:12:00 -
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I wonder how many EVE players also enjoy Nethack
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highonpop
Gallente Tri-Mining Corp Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gajakk Quelm As I said repeatably, it was a mistake which I made by turning off the 'don't choose routes through low sec' (I wasn't using auto-pilot either).
And hilarious. How witty of you.
even if you turn that option off. when you set your route, check the dots on the left, if they are lowsec you will tell by the color.
and if you then decide to go to lowsec anyway, then you need to be aware of your surroundings. check local. never "warp to 0m".
there are several precautions you can take aside from turning the route option on, to save you from a gank.
join a corp, if you get ganked, you will more than likely be able to borrow some isk from a corp mate for a new ship. _____________________ *warp drive acti...wait, where are we going?*
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Tai Paktu
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:06:00 -
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I would ask for your stuff...
but it appears you have none.
Anyways, if this was your third try at EvE, one might expect you would know better than to jump unscouted into low sec with all your e-worldly possessions. But then again, one might be too generous.
Any new players who read this thread, understand that this game is unforgiving, rewards the intelligent and is so, so much fun.
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highonpop
Gallente Tri-Mining Corp Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: highonpop on 10/12/2008 22:10:24 wait. what ship took you 2 weeks of earning ISK to buy?
since you "took it to lowsec" im guessing you came from highsec, so its gotta be sub-capital. if its taking you two weeks to get ISK to buy a ship, you might want to re-think your strategy in EVE. it might make for a more enjoyable game experience. i'm only at about 2.5M sp, and i'm in empire. i can still make enough ISK within an hour to purchase, and fit, 2 or maybe 3 T1 frigs.
if it was a larger ship, and you still lost it in combat, then you shouldnt have been flying it if you dont know how to use it that well.
Never undock in a ship you cant afford to lose
and dont give up on the game. _____________________ *warp drive acti...wait, where are we going?*
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gajakk Quelm I don't see how EVE will ever continue to gain members with two weeks of work going in a minute due to one mistake.
That right there is what keeps people playing the game. Yea a few people don't 'get it' and leave after a loss, but the numbers are still growing, and contrary to what you and the countless others who have posted pretty much the same thing say, EVE is not dying and is steadily growing, because of the very thing you claim is killing it.
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Tentacle Monster
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.11 14:26:00 -
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Erm yes, don't ever pilot any ship that you can't afford to replace a few times over. In fact, only fly as cheap a ship as necessary at all times.
Also, do lvl1 missions in a destroyer, better than mining as a noob, and you get standings and LP.
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Espresso Maximo
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:16:00 -
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You can work for six months and lose the lot in a flash. It keeps you on the edge. Trust no-one !
Thats what makes Eve great.
oh, yeah, and when you log off, your house, wife and kids are still all there ! ( well wife might have given up on you )
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Ana Vyr
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:37:00 -
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Trust no one is really good advice in EVE.
It makes me a bit sad that this is so, but it certainly adds a lot of excitement to almost everything. Of course veteran players want you to stay as it provides them with a low risk target to bully, but that doesn't have to be a big negative thing. It's exciting to pit yourself against seemingly impossible odds, when you do it on purpose.
I do wish it was easier to get a newb corporation off the ground though. It would be nice if the veteran community was just a bit less rabid and gave newbies a bit of a break...but they are very much of the idea that they don't want to play with whimps who can't take a beating. The result is players like me who have seen enough to know that they'll be sticking with high sec space for the forseeable future. I refuse to become somebody's gank toy, simple as that. I'm 41 years old. The thought of being toyed with as a source of amusement for some teen player is unbearable to me. I will not place myself at their mercy until I'm bloody ready to fight back. If the odds are somewhat even, and I lose a fight, it's all good because somebody outplayed me fair and square.
In the minds of pirates though (the ones I've run into anyways), fair fights are for idiots.
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Girabaldi D'Protagonist
Minmatar In Theory.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ana Vyr Trust no one is really good advice in EVE.
It makes me a bit sad that this is so, but it certainly adds a lot of excitement to almost everything. Of course veteran players want you to stay as it provides them with a low risk target to bully, but that doesn't have to be a big negative thing. It's exciting to pit yourself against seemingly impossible odds, when you do it on purpose.
I do wish it was easier to get a newb corporation off the ground though. It would be nice if the veteran community was just a bit less rabid and gave newbies a bit of a break...but they are very much of the idea that they don't want to play with whimps who can't take a beating. The result is players like me who have seen enough to know that they'll be sticking with high sec space for the forseeable future. I refuse to become somebody's gank toy, simple as that. I'm 41 years old. The thought of being toyed with as a source of amusement for some teen player is unbearable to me. I will not place myself at their mercy until I'm bloody ready to fight back. If the odds are somewhat even, and I lose a fight, it's all good because somebody outplayed me fair and square.
In the minds of pirates though (the ones I've run into anyways), fair fights are for idiots.
Ana If you are looking for such a corp.. we have a bunch of old farts too.. EVEmail me in game.. we are kind of casual but can play hardball if need be.. and we are friends with another organization that deals with chuckleheads.
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Selene Dukat
Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gajakk Quelm I've tried this game 3 times, this being my 3rd time, and this time, after getting used to it, I was really enjoying it.
I've spent the last two weeks working tirelessly to get a ship, mine resources, etc, and because of one false move into a 0.4 system, I'm dead, and all the mining equipment/resources I've worked hours to get have gone to pot in a few seconds.
Such a shame.
Most of you will accuse me of 'whining', and go on to furiously protect the game, but I don't see how EVE will ever continue to gain members with two weeks of work going in a minute due to one mistake.
Thanks all.
Cya.
The games been growing for like... what five years now? Growing. I think it'll be just fine without people who do something categorically stupid and then come cry about it.
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Mei Ree
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:29:00 -
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I've lost my rigged mission-running ship three times. Each time I had to walk away from the game for a few days (once I even cancelled my account, it was just a bad day), but then I got back into EVE with a vengeance knowing that the challenge was now to bootstrap myself back into mission-running.
PvE is what I do at the moment, until I can get to the end of the month with a surplus from purchasing my PLEX I'll certainly be sticking to hisec carebear activities.
So far in the game I've lost a mammoth full of POS fuel, a 800M ISK head full of implants, a mission-running Drake with rigs, and a bunch of frigates due to making silly mistakes (there wasn't a gate camp there five minutes ago, it'll be safe...). I'm still working on replacing the implants, but that's part of the fun of the game.
Even mining Veldspar in a frigate, you'll make enough to buy a cruiser in a few hours. Then you mine in that cruiser and earn enough to buy a hauler. Then you make ISK faster, and end up replacing your mission-running battlecruiser or battleship. Bootstrapping is so easy, especially since the next time you do it, you'll have better skills for doing so!
Best thing to do when you fall off the horse, and all that.
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Cobra Ball
Caldari The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:14:00 -
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Don't give up. If you were enjoying this game before you lost your stuff, then atleast there is a silver lining.
The best advice i can give you is this. Do what I did when i first started playing, join Eve University. Its a great corp and will teach you the basics of this game.
Second. Read, Read, Read! Read everything you can about this game. On this forum, on Blogs, anything you can find about Eve, read it. There is so much to learn that even after a year of playing, i am still learning new things.
And don't give up. Things will turn around if you hang in there. Remember in Eve, much like in life the old saying rings true: Sometimes you are the pigeon, and sometimes you are the statue.
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Tallaran Kouros
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:04:00 -
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So why did you go into 0.4 space 'accidently'?
The game *does* warn you about this sort of stuff.
Did you ignore the warning or had you turned it off and didn't bother to check the sec status of the system you were jumping in to?
Either way I don't mean to be harsh, but it seems like you lost your stuff through your own stupidity.
Eve is a harsh mistress, but that's why I like it.
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Xindi Kraid
Cerulean Sky Fire Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Oregin Sorry to hear you're taking the loss that way. Personally, I think that if there wasn't that kind of risk in EVE it wouldn't be the same game. The adrenaline you get taking something big and expensive through dangerous space (and the converse, finding something big and expensive) is what sets this game apart from anything I've ever played before. To put it another way, the mundane grinding which funds those brief moments is what makes them so gut-wrenchingly terrifying. Beats Ravenholm any day. It does take a certain mental disposition though to have all your hard work disappear so quickly and get over the frustration (and anger as is so often the case)...EVE's a unique beast...
The rush of being chased 20 jusyerwrt y bttrthn any horo gam vailable, that's for sure.
Anyways, it dopes suck losing stuff. The first time I went to 0.0 I lost 3 Caracals to gatecamps in the space of a week, now I check the intel chanells and use the map to find out how many people are in a given system.
I lost my first Ferox in my first fleet battle because I tried to talckle and flew badly, took me several weeks till I could afford another, I only taclke in smaller, faster ships, and don;t do fleet battles in a ship I am not comfortable with.
Yes you wiill lose things, that unaviodable, but so long as you learn from your mistakes, it shouldn;t be a detriment. Also find a good corp out there and some friends. If you know somone who is willing to help you out, you won't have to dig quite so deep into your pockets when you lose something.
Fly safe(r) - Fly SMART(ER) -Xindi Kraid CSFI lead engineer and shipwright
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FOl2TY8
Scorpion's Sting
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mei Ree I've lost my rigged mission-running ship three times. Each time I had to walk away from the game for a few days (once I even cancelled my account, it was just a bad day), but then I got back into EVE with a vengeance knowing that the challenge was now to bootstrap myself back into mission-running.
PvE is what I do at the moment, until I can get to the end of the month with a surplus from purchasing my PLEX I'll certainly be sticking to hisec carebear activities.
So far in the game I've lost a mammoth full of POS fuel, a 800M ISK head full of implants, a mission-running Drake with rigs, and a bunch of frigates due to making silly mistakes (there wasn't a gate camp there five minutes ago, it'll be safe...). I'm still working on replacing the implants, but that's part of the fun of the game.
Even mining Veldspar in a frigate, you'll make enough to buy a cruiser in a few hours. Then you mine in that cruiser and earn enough to buy a hauler. Then you make ISK faster, and end up replacing your mission-running battlecruiser or battleship. Bootstrapping is so easy, especially since the next time you do it, you'll have better skills for doing so!
Best thing to do when you fall off the horse, and all that.
LoL man this guys totally screwed himself and you don't hear him complaining... Kudos! ---------- The six paths and the four lives.... |
Cereah
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: FOl2TY8
LoL man this guys totally screwed himself and you don't hear him complaining... Kudos!
I think a lot of us have done that, some definitely more than others for sure.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.14 07:34:00 -
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As you may have already noticed OP, this is NOT a new player friendly game. Both in game mechanics and fellow player behavior towards newbies. It's a vice that's been choking CCP since release. ___________________________________________________ The Escapist: EvE Online video review. |
Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.14 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black As you may have already noticed OP, this is NOT a new player friendly game. Both in game mechanics and fellow player behavior towards newbies. It's a vice that's been choking CCP since release.
vice? on the contrary, its those attitudes and mechanics that makes the eve population an intellectual one, as opposed to, say, WoW's population, which could collectively be described as severely ******ed.
if you dont like it, feel free to join them. just dont beg for reacceptance when you see how truly backward some of them are. - PvPers always say "GB2WoW". the message is that EVE is hard, and people just need to deal with it. wasn't it funny how when nano's started making it hard for *them*, that all went out the window? |
Laina Delapore
Caldari Red Sun Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.14 14:14:00 -
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To sort of follow through Joe's Nethack comment...
You are in a 0.4 Security System. Behind you is a jumpgate. To the left an interceptor. To the right a HAC and a Drake tanking the sentry guns. Ahead of you are some flashy red people. It is dark. You are about to be eaten by pies.
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2008.12.15 07:55:00 -
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Waaa get over urself. Iv'e lost many things in this game including my sanity at times it's just a game.... I know hard to imagine isn't it.. And remember insure the ships update clone always do this its just common sense
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Gojyu
Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.15 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: Gojyu on 15/12/2008 08:21:23
Quote: eve population an intellectual one
Ah that old chestnut. Nothing says basement virgin like someone who claims to be better than another person because their internet spaceships are, of course, only playable by someone of truly vast intellect. Of course, wow players who play a game where they take talent specs off of a forum and press 1,2,3 all day would be completely unable to handle a game where you take ship loadouts from a forum and press f1, f2, f3 all day. Oops, I forgot weapon grouping. I mean press f1 all day.
To the op, it seems that eve isn't for you. It takes a certain type of gamer to enjoy eve, and there's nothing wrong with not being that kind of guy. I personally don't like turn based strategy games, so I don't play them. Life's too short to play games you don't enjoy, so why do it?
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DjLowballer
Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2008.12.15 10:43:00 -
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I flew an iteron V filled with like 100 mil isk of stuff stupidly into a 0.0 bubble gatecamp and all I could do was laugh because I imagined how hilarious it had to look to the other guy.
Seriously OP, you lost but its not the end of the world. A really big mistake people make is thinking they need to fly the biggest and most expensive ship to do anything. You learned this is not the case. Now you can ragequit while we all laugh or just suck it up and rethink your strategy. Please Vote DjLowballer as your delegate to the CSM! |
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Ikkawan
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Posted - 2008.12.16 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gajakk Quelm I've tried this game 3 times, this being my 3rd time, and this time, after getting used to it, I was really enjoying it.
I've spent the last two weeks working tirelessly to get a ship, mine resources, etc, and because of one false move into a 0.4 system, I'm dead, and all the mining equipment/resources I've worked hours to get have gone to pot in a few seconds.
Such a shame.
Most of you will accuse me of 'whining', and go on to furiously protect the game, but I don't see how EVE will ever continue to gain members with two weeks of work going in a minute due to one mistake.
Thanks all.
Cya.
Sorry to hear about your loss. I know how you feel, but you do have to just pick yourself up can carry on. We all make mistakes. I'm still a newish player and a few weeks ago I lost 45mil's work of hurricane, which had taken me about two weeks of mission running to put together, and I couldnt replace it. I lost it 'cos I wasnt watching local chat. I was gutted, but I certainly didnt think about quitting eve.....and now, I always watch local!
Ikka
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Seldion
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Posted - 2008.12.16 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gajakk Quelm I've tried this game 3 times, this being my 3rd time, and this time, after getting used to it, I was really enjoying it.
I've spent the last two weeks working tirelessly to get a ship, mine resources, etc, and because of one false move into a 0.4 system, I'm dead, and all the mining equipment/resources I've worked hours to get have gone to pot in a few seconds.
Such a shame.
Most of you will accuse me of 'whining', and go on to furiously protect the game, but I don't see how EVE will ever continue to gain members with two weeks of work going in a minute due to one mistake.
Thanks all.
Cya.
Sorry mate but that's Eve, should really be more careful, also join a corp or find a friend that will help you out. Your not the only one out there you know. Ask around just don't beg, I'm sure I'll get the ship you invested in, in no time, but seriously, use your brain, its called "low Sec" for a reason. Caution advised.
Anyways thanks for trying the game, really wish you'd stay because frankly two week and you lose it then get ****ed off and give up? i see you'd of never gotten any where in eve with that attitude.
When i started eve i had no one to help me, everyone called me a care bear in noobie help so i sat there for a full month just to get skill books then another full month just to finally get the isk i needed to buy a retriever in witch case i did, i used my brains tho and didn't go into low sec, i lost my first one to rats because i was in a 0.5 system and didn't know anything about the lower Sec systems because all i stayed in where 1.0 systems. So lost that one barely had enough to replace it, thought I'd invest in some drones, did so, still lost it by getting swarmed by 4 rats at a time. Anyways its eve mate, no pain no gain simple as that.
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Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.16 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu Edited by: Gojyu on 15/12/2008 08:21:23
Quote: eve population an intellectual one
Ah that old chestnut. Nothing says basement virgin like someone who claims to be better than another person because their internet spaceships are, of course, only playable by someone of truly vast intellect. Of course, wow players who play a game where they take talent specs off of a forum and press 1,2,3 all day would be completely unable to handle a game where you take ship loadouts from a forum and press f1, f2, f3 all day. Oops, I forgot weapon grouping. I mean press f1 all day.
i cant speak for what your corp is like, but i spent last night chatting with a corpmate about the ITER project.
google it if you arnt keeping up with current scientific events. - PvPers always say "GB2WoW". the message is that EVE is hard, and people just need to deal with it. wasn't it funny how when nano's started making it hard for *them*, that all went out the window? |
Gojyu
Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.16 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Substance
Originally by: Gojyu Edited by: Gojyu on 15/12/2008 08:21:23
Quote: eve population an intellectual one
Ah that old chestnut. Nothing says basement virgin like someone who claims to be better than another person because their internet spaceships are, of course, only playable by someone of truly vast intellect. Of course, wow players who play a game where they take talent specs off of a forum and press 1,2,3 all day would be completely unable to handle a game where you take ship loadouts from a forum and press f1, f2, f3 all day. Oops, I forgot weapon grouping. I mean press f1 all day.
i cant speak for what your corp is like, but i spent last night chatting with a corpmate about the ITER project.
google it if you arnt keeping up with current scientific events.
That's cool, my problem is that you seem to think that doesn't happen in other games. I remember many a raid back in my wow days discussing empiricist philosophers between boss pulls. Also, retort
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Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2008.12.17 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Substance
Originally by: Gojyu Edited by: Gojyu on 15/12/2008 08:21:23
Quote: eve population an intellectual one
Ah that old chestnut. Nothing says basement virgin like someone who claims to be better than another person because their internet spaceships are, of course, only playable by someone of truly vast intellect. Of course, wow players who play a game where they take talent specs off of a forum and press 1,2,3 all day would be completely unable to handle a game where you take ship loadouts from a forum and press f1, f2, f3 all day. Oops, I forgot weapon grouping. I mean press f1 all day.
i cant speak for what your corp is like, but i spent last night chatting with a corpmate about the ITER project.
google it if you arnt keeping up with current scientific events.
hehe you do come across as being a bit of a phallus
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2008.12.17 03:31:00 -
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A pirate's perspective to the OP, Ana Vyr and the rookies reading:
Originally by: Ana Vyr Trust no one is really good advice in EVE.
A little too black/white for me. I'd suggest being careful, very careful about who you trust. But find folks you can. The game is more fun that way. Personally, I trust my pirate corp mates more than I could see ever trusting the members of a high-sec PvE corp.
Originally by: Ana Vyr Of course veteran players want you to stay as it provides them with a low risk target to bully,
Hmmm. Blanket, judgmental, black and white proclamations seem to be your strength.
Can't speak for all "veterans". Hell, I've only been playing for less than 18 months and hardly feel like a vet.
I will say that EVE does have a strong natural selection flavor to it which I find appealing.
Speaking for myself: I don't want anyone to stay that doesn't find the game a fit for them. I do believe that for some players, use to a certain style of play, that EVE can be an acquired taste.
I suspect that the vets that have replied encouraging the OP to stay are coming from that point of view. I do like folks to learn to play well because that means they become stronger players and more of a challenge to play and fight against.
Originally by: Ana Vyr It's exciting to pit yourself against seemingly impossible odds, when you do it on purpose.
Absolutely. That's why I ventured down to low-sec on my second day of the game and within 2 weeks formed a corp of "rookie" pirates. I didn't stay in high sec and complain about the 'smacktard teenage pimple-faced griefers' in low-sec on the rookie forum.
Originally by: Ana Vyr I do wish it was easier to get a newb corporation off the ground though.
What's so hard about it now? Is it challenging? Yes. Is it nearly impossible? Far from it.
The rookie pirate corp I helped start in low-sec less than 18 months ago now has nearly 60 active members, vent server, forums, great leadership (not me ) more bloggers than I can keep up with and an alliance with the sexy, vicious RL lady pirates in the Hellcats Corporation to name a handful of things. Did I mention we even have merchandise?
Originally by: Ana Vyr It would be nice if the veteran community was just a bit less rabid and gave newbies a bit of a break.
I never wanted a break as a newbie. I chose EVE for the challenge. If you want a break than just stay in a NPC corp in high-sec. CCP provides for that kind of playstyle quite nicely. You are right to not expect the player base in low-sec or 0.0 to cut you much of a break. You get what you earn. That's part of what makes it a great game.
Originally by: Ana Vyr The result is players like me who have seen enough to know that they'll be sticking with high sec space for the forseeable future. I refuse to become somebody's gank toy, simple as that. I'm 41 years old. The thought of being toyed with as a source of amusement for some teen player is unbearable to me. I will not place myself at their mercy until I'm bloody ready to fight back. If the odds are somewhat even, and I lose a fight, it's all good because somebody outplayed me fair and square.
I'm 40 years old and there are folks, including RL ladies, in my alliance that are older. Low-sec pirates are not, by default, maladjusted emoraging teenagers with low self-esteem. For the most part it's quite the opposite.
It truly is unfortunate that the idea of being "toyed with" by a teenager in a video game is too much for you to handle.
If it helps, come down to my neck of the woods, you can be the "ganktoy" of a prematurely graying, married, professionally employed 40 year old father.
To the OP and rookies (because I suspect it's far too late for Ana): If you have the tiniest interest in PvP, get involved early while your ships and clones are cheap and before you get stuck in the same rut Ana is in, believing you need 'x' number of SPs or can fly 'x' ship
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