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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:11:00 -
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never minned a day in my life other than that mission that made me mine once...
so i was looking at the hulk today and was wondering why there are so many high sec bear tears... when i noticed it had this awesome resist bonus profile but it cant fit a bloody LSE?!?!??!
either fix the damn ship ccp or add the 5th subsystem to TIII ships that are indy/minning based... shesh! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪso how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?
and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please!
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:12:00 -
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so this is mega hulk maxed skills with a tengu running links with heat on give you just over 100k ehp its stupid expensive to even think about it but i guess it can be done...
[Hulk, New Setup 1] Damage Control II True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field Medium Shield Extender II
Strip Miner I Strip Miner I [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:
Just say you like paper thin tanks on hulks, don't hide it. :)
Having lost a gang of six destroyers to a supertank hulk, I can only agree
yeah that 12 mill isk must have really burnt...
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:31:00 -
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I wonder whats better at minning roids... A tanked to hell hulk or maxed minnning apox with min tank... I qm qt work right now but willing to bet the qpoc will.have more ehp and.more efficiant plus cost less then 1/5 of the hulk... |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:51:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote: this is why miners are so hilarious to kill
since you don't understand ship fitting you start fitting inapproporiate deadspace mods
during the first great hulk jihad it was hilarious how many pubbies we convinced to fit a-type shield reps to resist ganks
Oh look, the dim wit troll can't help but make generalizations and use personal pronouns, assuming he knows everything about everyone. Keep proving you're one of the sheep. That's a good boy. its funny you call other people sheep while you're complaining your grazing is insufficently safe from predators highsec miners are, without exception, dimwitted idiots who deserve the destruction meeted out to them
personally if you are in a noob corp longer then 30 days you should be forced into a npc corp that can be war decced...
and if you want to kill a high sec minner you should war dec the person/corp and then kill him in a legit mannor...
or get enough ships together to effectivly bloop him... like 4 nadoes so the cost ratio is atleast half of a hulk...
kinda ironic thats its goons who complained to ccp about titans bloping thier maels/drakes when they are blobing hulks left right and center(using simular broken mechanics)...
I just think its hypocritical to complain about titans bloping drakes and then complain about people complaining about hulks being bloped... |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.12 02:46:00 -
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huh 400 000 million isk to get 40 k ehp which can be ganked by 4 tornadoes which cost half the price of the hulk... cool beans man... |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.12 03:51:00 -
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i remember back in 06 before drone regions were opened up....
back then i was in GW in a corp living it up ratting and all that stuff... if you wanted a ship made like a domi or something you had to get together with your mining buddies so that they could get enough mins together to eventually make you the bs...
that being said mining ops were usually me ratting in my brutix and from time to time my friend in the hulk would sound off in corp chat yo i am being attacked help in p1-b7 then i would warp to the belt and kill the impending rats...
more then often the guy would choose an easy spawn to tank so he could rat in peace...
this was just after the great hp boost which at the time pretty much killed alpha arty boats and all minnie were good for was nano/autos aka nano phoon and the nefarious nano vagabond (this was before tier two bc's)
but with the subsequent boosts to alpha and such this mitigated the hp boost and made it mute...
even before bots were so prevalent... peeps would semi aft mining... most watching movies and what not... mining is not fun and if you think its fun there is something mentally wrong with you!
the game has changed and having an lse on a hulk is desperately needed especially since there is going to be the drone poo nerf...
you will now have to mine to get mins...
the hulk needs a pg boost so it can fit only one LSE
and there needs to be the 5th subsystems (indy/mining based) added to tech III ships...
make one that allows gas/ice/strip miners and give them a bonus make one that has similar bonus to an orca for links make one that increases cargo bay like an industrial not sure about the propulsion one...
what this will allow you to do is mix and match different subsections to make pretty nice minning ships...
i think the proteus would be king but hey gallente should be king of minning eh?
think about it people you will now have to mine to get mins... plain and simple and remember CCP made drone regions combat mining in the fist place cuss regular mining in mind dull **** boring... there is a reason bots were invented in the first place....
all i am saying is that in the new reality of eve where you have to mine dont you want a. a 350 million isk ship to have a decent tank if its design is meant to be used semi afk
and b. a kick ass tech III subsection that will at the very least give you the same protection that you receive from doing missions in a pve ship...
i think tippa has it wrong there are pve ships in eve and pvp ships in eve it just so happens that half the pve ships in eve are also pvp ships... this should not mean that the other half of pve ships should be totally vulnerable or if are tanked loose out on the bonuses they have and should have for being the most expensive mining ship in game...
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.12 03:56:00 -
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did you play the game before drone regions were introduced? |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.12 04:07:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:MeBiatch wrote:did you play the game before drone regions were introduced? an my bad didnt know you were ONLY talking about back then and your statements were irrelevant to the game as it is today. kk and btw train sense of humor to 5 it helps in discerning a joke when you see it.
indeed i read that over and it was funny... but alas there is no font on the Internets for humor so sometimes complex ideas such as sarcasm can be taken as a serious statement... my apologies...
but its more in reference to a different eve that sans combat mining will return in an interesting way... most people don't really get what removing combat mining means to eve... which makes my comment rather relevant if you think about it...
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.12 19:23:00 -
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^ pretty sure you missed a few... |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.12 19:53:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:t3 mining ship with subsystems pls.
yes please... i would actually take up minning if i could do it in my proteus... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.12 20:02:00 -
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^ which ones? hacs have better tanks... hics have better tanks... even a recon has a better tank...
i still think hulks should get a pg boost for a LSE...
but i am more pushing for a tech III subsystems for minning... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.12 20:08:00 -
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^ ok so a slight pg boost so it can fit a tank mse/minning setup and not have to completley sacrifice minning efficacy? PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.12 20:18:00 -
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^ yes... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
284
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:00:00 -
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ok so this thread went from 38 pages down to 33 so we know ccp is reading/removing troll posts... it will be interesting what the resutls of this debate will yeild in the eyes of ccp... or better yet...
getting ccp yitersomething or other to comment would be awesome... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:17:00 -
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The Hulk is the largest craft in the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining modules. They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. The Hulk is, bar none, the most efficient mining vessel available.
highlighted the important part....
for the ship now to be resilient it has to give up being the "the most efficient mining vessel available."
by the way ccp designed the ship its supposed to have a balanced tank and mining yield but clearly to be efficient at either one it has to give up on the other...
and dont compare it to a combat vessel because its not so saying a deimos has to give up tank to fit gank is mute because a deimos is not a mining ship. PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.12 23:02:00 -
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Belshazzar Babylon wrote:How would buffing the Hulk to allow it to fit a LSE, or giving more PG make it OP? Are people suddenly going to start taking them into fleet fights? They would still be gankable, just not by a couple of destroyers. I see folks saying that 25-30k EHP is even more than some combat ships. Those ships can speed tank though, something that Hulks fat ass can't do.
shush dont be logical its upsets tippa and baltec... they dont like it at all... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.13 00:51:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:I really good post...
good read sir PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.13 01:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No, Baltec is more likely to make the same claim he has made throughout the thread: that it's your decision to make it a crappy tank. You can also decide not to make it crappy.
and when my talos kills your tanked out hulk before cc arrives what then? PLEX FOR PIZZA!
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.13 01:15:00 -
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your point is that if you fit for isk per hour then you deserve to die but you also claim the ship has a good tank that it can defend its self against ganks " that it's your decision to make it a crappy tank. You can also decide not to make it crappy."
your argument is fit either for tank or for income... but even if you fit for tank you will still die... so what exactly is your point?
you own a 1400 II bpo and nuetron blaster cannon II bpo or something? PLEX FOR PIZZA!
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.13 01:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:no, my argument is that complaining that it can't tank if you fit no tank is stupid and it's not something that requires a change to the game to fix. In fact, changing the game doesn't fix it at all, so that's the wrong way to go regardless. As it happens, you can fit for both tank and income.
dont see how best tank you can get is 40k in a 0.8 system you are looking at 14 second response time from concord...
gank talos with heat on does 6507 alpha ever 4.1 seconds... so lets say you have two talos thats 1314 alpha every 4.1 seconds that means 14/4.1= 3 - 4 shots before cc arrives... 1314*3= 3942 or 40k damage... so even in the best case you will die to just two of these...
[Talos, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor I Stasis Webifier I Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Warrior II x5
in today's game you can not effectively tank a hulk against gank...
i mean 3 of these things can kill an orca before cc arrives in a 0.6 system!
your response with be so what more dead ships means more isk for me...
well just admit that if they boost the hulk and its friends hp then you wont make as much isk... its ok to be selfish but just admit that is your point you dont want to loose out on isk... which imo is rather hypocritical if you ask me...
PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
287
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Posted - 2012.04.13 03:32:00 -
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In a few months the ferox will be... Replace range with rof a nd adf a low and mid slot... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:10:00 -
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so tippia if you just said you cant compare the two why did you compare the two in your initial statement? oxymoronic much!?!? PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.13 21:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Ildryn wrote:Now you are reaching.... Solo Catalyst can put out 1500+ dps. Thats the kind of firepower a vindicator gets...
Or phoon or domi or talos or naga... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.14 13:15:00 -
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good read there jacob... plus one from me... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.21 14:54:00 -
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is now... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
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