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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:36:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:@ Tip The amount of complaints about its lack of survivability proves something as well. Of course this is easier to ignore right? that miners are scum and deserve to be slaughtered |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
129
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:If you abuse a ship out of it's intened use ... YOU fail. Congratulations GÇö you just saw our entire point. Don't abuse a ship by focusing on just one aspect and neglecting the rest, and suddenly, it will perform much better than you thought it did in areas you didn't think of at firstGǪ That's not your point.
Your point: Don't buff our prefared eazy mode targets as we would lose more money while we do our anti sozial ganking.
No?
Then enlight us with a true argument why BC size ships don't have the same starting values (slots, cpu, pg, other stats). Mining Barks lose weapon slots for mining equip ... no problem. It is allready a bad trade as normal BC hulls have 7-8 high slots where they use 6-7 for weapons against 3 highs for 3 Stripe Miners. But why do they lose another 4 slots (mid+low)? And why do they lose massive amounts of CPU and PG? And why do they lose massive amounts of base defense? Hulk 7.374 base EHp v Claymore 20.657 base EHP .. BOTH ARE TECH 2 BC hulls and (should) be at the same price tack!
I don't even start with base speed, base agility, base sensor strength, base cap recharge, bas cap and all the other stuff.
Only advantage is a much bigger cargo hold. But it isn't big enough to justify all the other PRE GIMP STATS!
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
589
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:39:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: ZOMFGCLOAKYNULLIFIEDDOUBLEINSURANCEPAYOUTCONCORPROOFPREGANKANTIGANKEDOREBOATS?
Feel free to be intelligible. :)
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6009
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:42:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Why should I if I don't like it? Because then you will no longer have to pick those hulks and industrials.
Quote:And who tells you I wouldn't know how to? Fair enough. It just comes as a conclusion from you apparently wanting to pick hulks and industrials, and your claim that you pick those because you're GÇ£too bad for real PvPGÇ¥.
Adunh Slavy wrote:@ Tip The amount of complaints about its lack of survivability proves something as well. Yes: that people don't know how to tank their ships, because once you start asking them about what's behind the complaints, that's always what comes out in the end. They want their ships to be more sturdy because they refuse to make them more sturdy themselves. They refuse to accept responsibility for their own decisions.
I don't see why their lack of intelligence, character, and forethought should in any way be rewarded. They can learn by their mistakes like everyone else, and if they don't, it's only right that they suffer the consequences of their poor decisions.
Quote:And there are better ways to make a ship gank proof than fitting a tank, but I'll let you ponder that one, see if it'll drag you out of your black and white box of safe arguments. So you're back to that straw man, eh? You're the one banging on about being GÇ£gank proofGÇ¥, not me. I know how to make my hulk gank proof, and it has nothing to do with how I fit it. However, just like with the suggestion to actually fit a tank, people refuse to adopt those kinds of strategies as well becauseGǪ wellGǪ just because, usually. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
129
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:46:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:By your logic all battleship pilots would be fools to not see the epic gimpness of their mining capabilities.
Meanwhile, non-morons call this a "role" and accept it. Then tell me why [Rokh, New Setup 2] 4*Mining Laser Upgrade II Co-Processor II
8*Miner II
3*Large Cargohold Optimization I
Mining Drone II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
is such a great mining ship. (1371 yield/min without gank bonis and implants)
[Hulk, New Setup 2] 2*Mining Laser Upgrade II
3*Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Mining Drone II x5
= 1749 yield/min without bonis and implants
Rohk = 38371 EHP without any modul Hulk = 9217 EHP without any modul ~400 yield/min for ~29k EHP? bad trade! Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:47:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:By your logic all battleship pilots would be fools to not see the epic gimpness of their mining capabilities.
Meanwhile, non-morons call this a "role" and accept it. Then tell me why [Rokh, New Setup 2] 4*Mining Laser Upgrade II Co-Processor II 8*Miner II 3*Large Cargohold Optimization I Mining Drone II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 is such a great mining ship. (1371 yield/min without gank bonis and implants) joho jackson i wish to inform you that all of your opinions on fitting ships can easily be ignored considering your sig complains you cannot put capital reps on a ship that structure tanks |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
143
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:48:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:By your logic all battleship pilots would be fools to not see the epic gimpness of their mining capabilities.
Meanwhile, non-morons call this a "role" and accept it. Then tell me why [Rokh, New Setup 2] 4*Mining Laser Upgrade II Co-Processor II 8*Miner II 3*Large Cargohold Optimization I Mining Drone II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 is such a great mining ship. (1371 yield/min without gank bonis and implants)
I approve this message. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
0
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:49:00 -
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Miners After Hulkagedon
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
310
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:49:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:By your logic all battleship pilots would be fools to not see the epic gimpness of their mining capabilities.
Meanwhile, non-morons call this a "role" and accept it. Then tell me why [Rokh, New Setup 2] 4*Mining Laser Upgrade II Co-Processor II 8*Miner II 3*Large Cargohold Optimization I Mining Drone II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 is such a great mining ship. (1371 yield/min without gank bonis and implants) I used to get 799/min or some **** out of my Vexor, so what?
It's not "good" by Hulk pilots' standards and it can't mine ice. So what? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
227
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:49:00 -
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All this is moot. After this summers war expansion. they said they will be looking specifically at the Harvesting mechanics of the game as they have concentrated on destruction for a long time. Then after Harvesting, the Crafting/industrial side. It was the circle of life in the EVE keynote. |
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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
129
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:51:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:By your logic all battleship pilots would be fools to not see the epic gimpness of their mining capabilities.
Meanwhile, non-morons call this a "role" and accept it. Then tell me why [Rokh, New Setup 2] 4*Mining Laser Upgrade II Co-Processor II 8*Miner II 3*Large Cargohold Optimization I Mining Drone II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 is such a great mining ship. (1371 yield/min without gank bonis and implants) joho jackson i wish to inform you that all of your opinions on fitting ships can easily be ignored considering your sig complains you cannot put capital reps on a ship that structure tanks You might be not vet enough to know that BS-mining was the high end pre-Hulk ;). And even after Hulks it was fairly common to see such mining BS in belts. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
589
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Yes: that people don't know how to tank their ships, because once you start asking them about what's behind the complaints, that's always what comes out in the end. They want their ships to be more sturdy because they refuse to make them more sturdy themselves. They refuse to accept responsibility for their own decisions.
I don't see why their lack of intelligence, character, and forethought should in any way be rewarded. They can learn by their mistakes like everyone else, and if they don't, it's only right that they suffer the consequences of their poor decisions.
That must be a very comfortable little box. Maybe open the top and look outside from time to time.
Tippia wrote: So you're back to that straw man, eh? You're the one banging on about being Gǣgank proofGǥ, not me. I know how to make my hulk gank proof, and it has nothing to do with how I fit it. However, just like with the suggestion to actually fit a tank, people refuse to adopt those kinds of strategies as well becauseGǪ wellGǪ just because, usually.
LOL, the straw is yours and it looks just like you. I have not be "banging on" as you claim about 'gank proof' in your narrow little definition of fitting a tank. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
572
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:53:00 -
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I would ignore Tippa, he is one of those people who does not understand that "my opinion" is not the same as "the only opinion" or "the truth" . It is in fact just another random person's opinion.
For more random opinions, see Tippa's rants linked in his/her signature.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6009
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:57:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:That's not your point.
Your point: Don't buff our prefared eazy mode targets as we would lose more money while we do our anti sozial ganking.
No? No. My point is: there is no reason to buff the Hulk just because people make bad decisions in how they choose to fit them. The solution to that GÇ£problemGÇ¥ is for people to stop making those bad decisions.
Quote:Then enlight us with a true argument why BC size ships don't have the same starting values (slots, cpu, pg, other stats). Most of them do, you know, so why would I argue against facts? You're also over-interpreting the meaning of slots and the meaning of size. Sure, a battlecruiser may have 7-8 highs for 6-7 weaponsGǪ because it needs 6-7 weapons to get its full gank on. A Hulk only needs 3 highs to get its full yield. If it's the number of slots that's bothering you then sure, double the number of highs on all barges and exhumers and cut the yield and fitting reqs of all strip miners in half. Problem solved.
Why don't all BC size ships have the same starting values? Because they are completely different ships.
Quote:But why do they lose another 4 slots (mid+low)? And why do they lose massive amounts of CPU and PG? And why do they lose massive amounts of base defense? Hulk 7.374 base EHp v Claymore 20.657 base EHP .. BOTH ARE TECH 2 BC hulls and (should) be at the same price tack! Because they don't need any more to fulfil their role. Same goes for the base hitpoints. A Hulk doesn't have the stats of a T2 battlecruiser because a Hulk isn't a T2 battlecruiser GÇö it's a T2 mining barge. It's a completely different class of ship. They have nothing to do with each other. Nothing that applies to one is of any relevance to the other. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
129
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:57:00 -
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I REALY want to make my Hulk tanky ... it's just not posible :(
TECH II BATTLE CRUISER HULL
[Hulk, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Mining Drone II x5
MISSING ~280 PG and ~35 CPU
And don't try to troll me this fit is fail as it's the most compareble to any PvP fitting for standart Tech 2 BC hulls EXCEPT 4 MISSING SLOTS!
PS: now only ~150 yield/min as the Rohk and still not the same EHP as a Rohk WITHOUT defens mods Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Selinate
852
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:59:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I would ignore Tippa, he is one of those people who does not understand that "my opinion" is not the same as "the only opinion" or "the truth" . It is in fact just another random person's opinion. For more random opinions, see Tippa's rants
Still butthurt over the forum beating you got from Tippia, I see.
Go back to your corner. |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:59:00 -
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holy lawl that's a horrid fitting |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6009
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:59:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:That must be a very comfortable little box. Maybe open the top and look outside from time to time. I accept your surrender.
Quote:LOL, the straw is yours and it looks just like you. I have not be "banging on" as you claim about 'gank proof' in your narrow little definition of fitting a tank. GǪexcept that I never made any claim about how gtanks would make you gank proof GÇö that's something you've dreamed up because you ran out of arguments and needed to invent something I never said so you could attack it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:59:00 -
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what the **** are you doing putting a mwd on a hulk |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
129
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:00:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:holy lawl that's a horrid fitting clearly a Troll
EvilweaselFinance wrote:what the **** are you doing putting a mwd on a hulk
Dude read the text: "closest to common PvP ship fitting for standart tech 2 BC".
Do you ever saw a not-fail fit for Claymore, Sleibnir, Nighthawk WITHOUT MWD ????????????? Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
311
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:01:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:what the **** are you doing putting a mwd on a hulk It's just random modules and his claims of really trying hard, obviously? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:01:00 -
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but seriously what the **** are you doing putting a mwd on a hulk |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:01:00 -
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i should not be suprised considering you've never figured out an orca structure tanked but god almighty man |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
590
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:That must be a very comfortable little box. Maybe open the top and look outside from time to time. I accept your surrender.
I'm sure your ego will find whatever justification it needs.
Quote:LOL, the straw is yours and it looks just like you. I have not be "banging on" as you claim about 'gank proof' in your narrow little definition of fitting a tank. GǪexcept that I never made any claim about how gtanks would make you gank proof GÇö that's something you've dreamed up because you ran out of arguments and needed to invent something I never said so you could attack it. [/quote]
Nor did I, keep screaming at that mirror, maybe one day you will convert even your self. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6009
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:04:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:but seriously what the **** are you doing putting a mwd on a hulk GǪit would solve their complaints about align time, if nothing else. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
130
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:05:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:what the **** are you doing putting a mwd on a hulk It's just random modules and his claims of really trying hard, obviously? CFC forum troll 1
EvilweaselFinance wrote:but seriously what the **** are you doing putting a mwd on a hulk CFC forum troll 2
Your posts in here are : we want Hulkgeddon
I don't expect any real discussions with you 2. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
143
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:06:00 -
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Tippia wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:but seriously what the **** are you doing putting a mwd on a hulk GǪit would solve their complaints about align time, if nothing else.
Very nice. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:06:00 -
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i would be happy to discuss with you what the **** you are doing putting a mwd on a hulk please give me some insight here |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
590
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:07:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote: I don't expect any real discussions with you 2.
Just block him, "hide posts", he's useless. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
311
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:07:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:what the **** are you doing putting a mwd on a hulk It's just random modules and his claims of really trying hard, obviously? CFC forum troll 1 EvilweaselFinance wrote:but seriously what the **** are you doing putting a mwd on a hulk CFC forum troll 2 Your posts in here are : we want Hulkgeddon I don't expect any real discussions with you 2. By this logic you are hi-sec alt #5014 and your argument is pretty much "I want a pegacorn!"
That about covers it, right? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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