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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:07:00 -
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BETTER GET THAT MWD SO WE CAN GET OUT OF BUBBLES WHILE MINING IN HIGHSEC |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:08:00 -
[362] - Quote
ALIGN TO PLANET 4, VELDSPAR IS PRIMARY, WHERE ARE MY DICTORS PEOPLE |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
130
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:11:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:i would be happy to discuss with you what the **** you are doing putting a mwd on a hulk please give me some insight here
Jojo Jackson wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:what the **** are you doing putting a mwd on a hulk Dude read the text: "closest to common PvP ship fitting for standart tech 2 BC". Do you ever saw a not-fail fit for Claymore, Sleibnir, Nighthawk WITHOUT MWD ?????????????
If you are unable to scroll up and find the reason.
But for god will remove the MWD and use a LSB [Hulk, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Mining Drone II x5
still the same damn CPU+PG+CAP+CAP RECHARGE problems.
TECH II BATTLECRUISER compared to command ships !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
590
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No ego needed GÇö just noticing that you didn't provide any kind of counter-argument, just like with your new post. So surrender still accepted.
LOL, just because you ignore the arguments you do not like, doesn't mean they cease to exist. Put your head back in the sand.
Quote:You were the one who brought it up for the sole purpose of taking it down. It's a classic straw man fallacy. Sorry, there's no two ways about it. vOv.
I didn't create the thread, neither did you. Reality sucks, doesn't it. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
311
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:15:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:i would be happy to discuss with you what the **** you are doing putting a mwd on a hulk please give me some insight here Jojo Jackson wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:what the **** are you doing putting a mwd on a hulk Dude read the text: "closest to common PvP ship fitting for standart tech 2 BC". Do you ever saw a not-fail fit for Claymore, Sleibnir, Nighthawk WITHOUT MWD ????????????? If you are unable to scroll up and find the reason. But for god will remove the MWD and use a LSB [Hulk, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Mining Drone II x5 still the same damn CPU+PG+CAP+CAP RECHARGE problems. TECH II BATTLECRUISER compared to command ships !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ate my text batman.
Anyway you don't active tank and passive tank at the same time.
Ditch the large booster, before you look like a...
...too late!!! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Prince Kobol
532
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:15:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:@ Tip The amount of complaints about its lack of survivability proves something as well. Of course this is easier to ignore right?
You can cease with the personl pronouns about how and what I fit, the hulk I do have is rather old, and until very recently wasn't worth undocking at all, and frankly still isn't.
And there are better ways to make a ship gank proof than fitting a tank, but I'll let you ponder that one, see if it'll drag you out of your black and white box of safe arguments.
The amount of complaints about its lack of survivability proves how many lazy ass miners there are who expect their hulk to survive whilst they are afk.
You keep saying that a hulk is not worth the isk and that they are easy to gank, then why have I not lost 1 hulk, over 4 accounts in over 2 years of playing Eve and I'm as high sec carebear as one can get.
Jesus for the last 3 weeks I have been grinding mining missions ffs.
I keep saying it over and over again, if you fit your hulk with a nice balance between yield and tank, don't go afk, do your intel, talk to your fellow miners in the same system and look out for each other, the chances of you getting gank are very slim.
If you decided to fit a **** poor tank, do intel on the system you are mining in, ignore everybody in local and go afk then your chances of losing your ships is greatly increased and rightly so. |
Whitehound
27
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:15:00 -
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A lot of good points here for why the Hulk should get improved. I, too, can fly one but I never bothered with buying just a single one when I can fly a much cheaper Covetor with a tank just as useless, but nearly the same mining yield as a Hulk. Everything about the Hulk speaks against the rule that says only to fly a ship one can afford to lose. These ORE ships were designed without ganking and Hulkageddon in mind. Ganking of Hulks is merely the proof of the imbalance, just like masses of Falcons were proof of it and the masses of Drakes are, too. The Hulk is currently not a ship worth 300m ISKs.
For comparison, a Noctis which is not a warship either and gets to see less pirates than a mining ship and has got a power grid of 250 PG and can fit an LSE next to a 10MN MWD. The Hulk has got 35 PG... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6010
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:18:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:LOL, just because you ignore the arguments you do not like, doesn't mean they cease to exist. What arguments? Let's seeGǪ
I wrote: GÇ£Yes: that people don't know how to tank their ships, because once you start asking them about what's behind the complaints, that's always what comes out in the end. They want their ships to be more sturdy because they refuse to make them more sturdy themselves. They refuse to accept responsibility for their own decisions.
I don't see why their lack of intelligence, character, and forethought should in any way be rewarded. They can learn by their mistakes like everyone else, and if they don't, it's only right that they suffer the consequences of their poor decisions.GÇ¥
GǪto which you answered: GǣThat must be a very comfortable little box. Maybe open the top and look outside from time to time.Gǥ
Nope. No argument. Just some desperate chest-beating and what was probably intended as an ad hominem fallacy.
Quote:I didn't create the thread, neither did you. Reality sucks, doesn't it. Yet another straw man. I didn't say you did; I said you brought up the idea of GÇ£gank proofGÇ¥ fits GÇö not me GÇö and you did it solely to point out that they didn't exist, implying that I should stop suggesting them (which I never didGǪ). So your fallacy count is rapidly increasing here.
Whitehound wrote:A lot of good points here for why the Hulk should get improved. I, too, can fly one but I never bothered with buying just a single one when I can fly a much cheaper Covetor with a tank just as useless, but nearly the same mining yield as a Hulk. GǪexcept that numbers shows this not to be true, since the Covetor is a deeply unpopular ship (so unpopular, in fact, that they're going to adjust it to improve its standing) whereas the Hulk is one of the most popular ships in the game.
Quote:These ORE ships were designed without ganking and Hulkageddon in mind. True. They were designed for far more adverse conditions, and then people cripple them with their bad decisions so they can't even survive very safe environments. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
131
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:21:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Nobody fits a booster and an extender.
HAHAHAHA
To obviously trolling Get brain to get the sense behind this fit.
LSE => from 1994 to 5439 shild == anti sozials like you need more then just a 15m T2 fit Trasher to gank (FU YOU) LSB => normal NPC tanking
And I would fit even more EHP into the MISSING 4 slots just to make YOU use more expensive ships!
PS: [Claymore, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II [empty low slot] [empty low slot]
Large Shield Booster II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
8*[empty high slot]
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hulk = 20k EHP, Claymore = 120k EHP ... WTF FAIL BALANCE !!!!!!!!! Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
590
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:22:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote: The amount of complaints about its lack of survivability proves how many lazy ass miners there are who expect their hulk to survive whilst they are afk.
IMO that's more a problem with mining. If it were not so boring, there'd be a lot less AFK.
Prince Kobol wrote: You keep saying that a hulk is not worth the isk and that they are easy to gank, then why have I not lost 1 hulk, over 4 accounts in over 2 years of playing Eve and I'm as high sec carebear as one can get.
I still have the first hulk I bought six years ago, it has been in high sec, low sec and worm holes.
Prince Kobol wrote: I keep saying it over and over again, if you fit your hulk with a nice balance between yield and tank, don't go afk, do your intel, talk to your fellow miners in the same system and look out for each other, the chances of you getting gank are very slim.
And that is more important than this mindless tank/gank conversation that narrow minded people like to focus upon. |
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
311
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:23:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Nobody fits a booster and an extender.
HAHAHAHA To obviously trolling Get brain to get the sense behind this fit. LSE => from 1994 to 5439 shild == anti sozials like you need more then just a 15m T2 fit Trasher to gank (FU YOU) LSB => normal NPC tanking And I would fit even more EHP into the MISSING 4 slots just to make YOU use more expensive ships! Try an invul instead of the booster for NPC tanking.
You can buffer tank the NPC rats anywhere in high-sec and it ******* compliments your shield extender.
Oh look a ******* ton of grid just opened up! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
388
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:24:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: On the left, fully insurable, zero cost disposable ship. Won't even care to tank it, it's free and disposable anyway.
On the right, more training intensive, 10x times more expensive ship, tanked enough to withstand the average ganker. It'll still die, expecially come
insert here any of Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, Bat Country, racketing
for near of the above ship yield.
Anyone see something wrong? No, eh?
You are stupid to try and mine in hulkageddon/BAT interdiction area? The hardest mining ship in empire to gank is the veldought and even that docks up in hulkageddon.
Most ppl I know dont and dont get ganked lol https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
131
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:25:00 -
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you do not get the point ... or you just want to troll ... or you do not get the point and becouse of this you troll
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1504
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:28:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Fractal Muse wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote: So why is there a thread every thirty seconds.
Instead of learning how to fit a bit of a tank onto their ship and paying attention while mining (keeping an eye on local, scanning, being aligned to a safe spot Sigh, another one who never actually mined (yes you are smart for doing not so). You DO realize that at some point I lose contact with the stooped roid and sluggish as that brick in space is, if I'm not blind by pure boredom or just look the other way because i'm distracted having doing NOT A THING for ages I lose whatever is between the roid and my under tanked Hulk, while I try to make a turn to a second safespot? Mining is one of the worst badly developed and implemented, even under developed things in EVE with CCP looking the other way for over 6 years.
Did you ever notice that the better mining equipment has better range?
Do you realize that the reason for this is more than simply making it easier to stay in a group to make your haulers life easier?
Pick two celestials roughly opposite each other, then at 3/4 speed approach first one to the limits of your equipments range, then reverse course and head for the other.
Have your Orca tractor the cans in (it too has excellent range for a reason, or have your haulers jump directly to you for can pick up.
If you simply can't stay focused on what you are doing, take turns with other people in your group to keep an eye on local and D scan.
Seriously, do you think your average gate camp is easier to stay focused on when things are slow? Keeping yourself safe is as easy or as hard as you wish to make it. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
593
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Nope. No argument. Just some desperate chest-beating and what was probably intended as an ad hominem fallacy.
ROFL, says the Eve forums drama queen. Why not go generalize and call some more people idiots. Oh no, then your hypocritical BS might be exposed for what it is. can't have that.
Quote:Yet another straw man. I didn't say you did; I said you brought up the idea of GÇ£gank proofGÇ¥ fits GÇö not me GÇö and you did it solely to point out that they didn't exist, implying that I should stop suggesting them (which I never didGǪ). So your fallacy count is rapidly increasing here.
Haha. Everyone that reads your posts know how easily and conveniently you shift between literal meanings and the spirit of a conversation to suit you. You keep up with your playground rules, and I'll keep winding you up like a cheap watch. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
313
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:31:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:you do not get the point ... or you just want to troll ... or you do not get the point and becouse of this you trol You're right, clearly you should build up a huge buffer and then slap a mod on there that doesn't conform to the doctrine
I mean everybody who's anybody does that
Why would you ignore such good advice as this? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
539
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:32:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I would ignore Tippa, he is one of those people who does not understand that "my opinion" is not the same as "the only opinion" or "the truth" . It is in fact just another random person's opinion. For more random opinions, see Tippa's rants
No you don't ingnore Tippia. She's so incredibly predictable and totally blindfolded in her opinions you can bait her to post whatever and bump threads forever. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
131
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:36:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:you do not get the point ... or you just want to troll ... or you do not get the point and becouse of this you trol You're right, clearly you should build up a huge buffer and then slap a mod on there that doesn't conform to the doctrine I mean everybody who's anybody does that Why would you ignore such good advice as this? Dude, it doesn't matter if I passive+active tank it.
Facts: Hulk == Tech II Battlecruiser hull like Command Ships Hulk is unable to even fit nearly the same defense a Command Ship can fit
Missing slot Missing CPU Missing PG Missing ALL
It's ******* equal if I fit 4 LSE or 4 LSB or whatever ... there is NO WAY to fit any compareble module as YOU would fit in a Command Ship!
Hulk rule is to miner .. that's why it has no weapon high slots but mining high slots.
And now ... tell me why there are all the other pre gimp stats! Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:38:00 -
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an you can AFK mission why is it such a horrifying EVE sin that you can AFK mine? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6010
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:38:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:ROFL, says the Eve forums drama queen. Nope. Says your argument-less little quip, as quoted.
Quote:Why not go generalize and call some more people idiots. Why would I do that? I just call people idiots when they complain that their own decision to weaken their ship weakened their ships. It's not really a generalisation GÇö it's an inference made from the fact that they're complaining about their own decisions and wishing others to GÇ£fixGÇ£ those errors.
Quote:Haha. Everyone that reads your posts know how easily and conveniently you shift between literal meanings and the spirit of a conversation to suit you. You keep up with your playground rules, and I'll keep winding you up like a cheap watch. GǪand yet, you were the one who created the GÇ£gank-proofGÇ¥ straw man when GÇö presumably GÇö you couldn't come up with any reasonable answer to why tanking your ship would help.
So, let's just get to the point that you don't want to get to: why on earth should Hulks be buffed?
Jojo Jackson wrote:Facts:
Hulk == Tech II Battlecruiser hull like Command Ships Hulk is unable to even fit nearly the same defense a Command Ship can fit Yes? So? Why should the Hulk be able to do that, when it's not a T2 BC? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:40:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:A lot of good points here for why the Hulk should get improved. I, too, can fly one but I never bothered with buying just a single one when I can fly a much cheaper Covetor with a tank just as useless, but nearly the same mining yield as a Hulk. Everything about the Hulk speaks against the rule that says only to fly a ship one can afford to lose. These ORE ships were designed without ganking and Hulkageddon in mind. Ganking of Hulks is merely the proof of the imbalance, just like masses of Falcons were proof of it and the masses of Drakes are, too. The Hulk is currently not a ship worth 300m ISKs.
For comparison, a Noctis which is not a warship either and gets to see less pirates than a mining ship and has got a power grid of 250 PG and can fit an LSE next to a 10MN MWD. The Hulk has got 35 PG...
Yep. The advantages a Hulk has over a Covetor or too minor to be justified by the 500% premium. Total wastes of ISK until they give it a little something extra to justify the expense. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6010
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:43:00 -
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Sycho Pathic wrote:Yep. The advantages a Hulk has over a Covetor or too minor to be justified by the 500% premium. Total wastes of ISK until they give it a little something extra to justify the expense. Assuming for a second that you're not just trollingGǪ
GǪit would be a lot easier to buy into that reasoning if it weren't for the fact that the Hulk is so immensely more popular than the Covetor, and that the numbers do not support the claim that the advantage the former has is very minor. If the advantage really was that small, wouldn't the Covetor be the far more popular of the two, and wouldn't it be the Hulk that got a much-needed usability boost in Inferno rather than the other way around? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Whitehound
27
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪexcept that numbers shows this not to be true, since the Covetor is a deeply unpopular ship (so unpopular, in fact, that they're going to adjust it to improve its standing) whereas the Hulk is one of the most popular ships in the game. ... True. They were designed for far more adverse conditions, and then people cripple them with their bad decisions so they can't even survive very safe environments. I think people are simply smarter than this. They do not care if their Hulk gets ganked or if CCP gives them a better tank. I, and this is just me and not everyone, do not have fun with buying a Hulk. I then post here and voice my opinion. Most players do not do this either. Does this make us automatically wrong? No.
I do not understand your second point. Ganking does not make an environment safe or very safe. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
575
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:47:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I would ignore Tippa, he is one of those people who does not understand that "my opinion" is not the same as "the only opinion" or "the truth" . It is in fact just another random person's opinion. For more random opinions, see Tippa's rants No you don't ingnore Tippia. She's so incredibly predictable and totally blindfolded in her opinions you can bait her to post whatever and bump threads forever.
And he does not take losing an argument very well, as I can attest
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J Kunjeh
390
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:48:00 -
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This might have already been said, but I thought I'd leave this here (sorry, haven't caught up on the last 8 pages):
http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/04/fit-of-week-bait-hulk.html "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
313
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:49:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪexcept that numbers shows this not to be true, since the Covetor is a deeply unpopular ship (so unpopular, in fact, that they're going to adjust it to improve its standing) whereas the Hulk is one of the most popular ships in the game. ... True. They were designed for far more adverse conditions, and then people cripple them with their bad decisions so they can't even survive very safe environments. I think people are simply smarter than this. They do not care if their Hulk gets ganked or if CCP gives them a better tank. I, and this is just me and not everyone, do not have fun with buying a Hulk. I then post here and voice my opinion. Must players do not do this either. Does this make us automatically wrong? No. I do not understand your second point. Ganking does not make an environment safe or very safe. High-sec is the safest space in Eve, though. That ganks occur there is irrelevant. Many more ships die to random PVP elsewhere than in high-sec. A properly fitted and flown Hulk should be able to survive most, if not all, gank attempts in high-sec.
Yet due to bellyaching high-sec gets seemingly safer every "expansion". He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
131
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:55:00 -
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Sounds cool but isn't.
This blog is about "special operation bait hulk". As the two CFC trolls before told me "noone would ever fly this fit except for lulz".
The flamed me for LSE+LSB ... I'll now do the same "WTF who fits Cap Booster and Bulkheads on a Hulk?".
If you expect every miner to fly this fit, you fail. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
575
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:56:00 -
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I would imagine that a raw EHP build will surpass any attempt to active tank in a gank situation.
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
286
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:56:00 -
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I finally figured it out:
100k EHP Mining Hulk
[Abaddon, Hulk] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Survey Scanner II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II
Large Anti-Explosive Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Warrior II x5 Mining Drone II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
Aranakas CEO of-áGreen Anarchy Green vs Green |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6010
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:00:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:I think people are simply smarter than this. They do not care if their Hulk gets ganked or if CCP gives them a better tank. I, and this is just me and not everyone, do not have fun with buying a Hulk. I then post here and voice my opinion. Must players do not do this either. Does this make us automatically wrong? No. Of course not, but as pointed out above, the whole line of reasoning that there is no reason to pick the Hulk over the Covetor kind of falls apart when you look at the numbers. The Hulk has pretty consistently been in the top spots for most used ships in the game. The Covetor is commonly one of the least used ships. If there was no reason to pick the Hulk, that relationship would be reversed.
Instead, they're now going to adjust the Covetor for pretty much the exact reason some people say they should adjust the Hulk: because it's not a useful choice. The Covetor's relative uselessness shows up pretty clearly in the numbers, and as a result, they're trying to reduce the investment required to get that lower level of effectiveness.
If it is indeed true that the difference between the Covetor and the Hulk is that small, then no, people are not smarter than this GÇö they are in fact very very dumb, as shown by the immense popularity of the Hulk. Alternatively, people are indeed smart, in which case the difference between the Covetor and the Hulk are more than sufficient to generate this vast chasm in popularity between the two (again: to the point where CCP is going to adjust the Covetor so it becomes more worth-while).
Quote:I do not understand your second point. Ganking does not make an environment safe or very safe. My second point is that the Hulk is designed to withstand space that is far more hostile than highsec. People then take this design and cripple it with poor fits to the point where, not only can't it survive the harsh space it was designed for, but it can't even survive in highsec. The ship is inherently capable of much more than people are letting it be.
Ganks are not unique to highsec, and in fact, in highsec, you can drastically reduce the risk of being killed by one through the simple act of fitting a proper tank. Ganks most certainly don't make highsec any less safe than other parts of spaceGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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