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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
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Posted - 2012.04.11 23:51:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:At the end of the day this thread comes down to this:
Some of the spineless twits want to grow their wallets AFK in a totally risk-free environment in a ship that's basically impervious to attack.
The Hulk is not the ship for them. No, at the end of the day it comes down to:
"don't buff my eazy kills" Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
321
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Posted - 2012.04.11 23:53:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:At the end of the day this thread comes down to this:
Some of the spineless twits want to grow their wallets AFK in a totally risk-free environment in a ship that's basically impervious to attack.
The Hulk is not the ship for them. No, at the end of the day it comes down to: "don't buff my eazy kills" You tell me just how muh buff you want there.
I'm listeing. Bawl away. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.11 23:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No, I never questioned it. I questioned your assertion that CCP said that price was a balancing factor GÇö an assertion you have not been able to back up. This is something vastly different from prices being subject to game changes, which was never in question until you brought it up as GÇ£proofGÇ¥ for them affecting balance (never mind that you didn't in any way link those changes to any actual balance changes). You're begging the question. I did not need to back it up since you do remember it. And yes you denied someone else here in the thread to use the price of a ship as an argument for a change, but this is exactly what lead CCP to make the change. Like I said, CCP cannot change the price for an item directly. We all know it. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
134
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Posted - 2012.04.11 23:59:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:At the end of the day this thread comes down to this:
Some of the spineless twits want to grow their wallets AFK in a totally risk-free environment in a ship that's basically impervious to attack.
The Hulk is not the ship for them. No, at the end of the day it comes down to: "don't buff my eazy kills" You tell me just how much buff you want there. I'm listeing. Bawl away. You want to gank a 400m hull? Spent 400m just for hulls ... then we can talk!
ONLY IN HIGHSEC! low+toilet sec is somethink total differnt! Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
10
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:00:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote: So you claim the opposite, that EvE is a game of acquiring gear, that the ultimate goal of EvE is to posses some piece of equipment?
This is certainly not my goal and have never heard CCP promoting and advertising the game that way. Quite the opposite, the game is promoted as a game where what you DO matters, not a game where what you OWN matters.
Everyone playing a game has goals. In EvE to attain those goals you have to acquire gear. (maybe with the exception of market players]
Karim alRashid wrote:False. I need better quality ship in order to tackle more difficult tasks, not in order to achieve some abstract "advancement".
Is not tackling more difficult tasks, advancement?
Karim alRashid wrote:Yes, but this in no way supports the argument that the goal of EvE is to acquire gear.
To fly the rifter, you have to acquire the rifter
Karim alRashid wrote:It may be their intermediate goal, but certainly not their "endgame".
I have already stated that EvE has no end game. V.V. stated that a factor to the Hulk, being a popular ship, is that Miners consider the Hulk to ultimate ship for their proffession
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
321
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:00:00 -
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I'm still waiting to see how ridiculously OP you people think the Hulk should be.
I want numbers. Everything else is bleating. Tell me what babies you are if you want the Hulk to be buffed.
Show me how much EHP it should have, how much PG/Cargohold.
Go on. Prove you're not all just big crybabies and give me the numbers. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
134
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:01:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:I'm still waiting to see how ridiculously OP you people think the Hulk should be.
I want numbers. Everything else is bleating. Tell me what babies you are if you want the Hulk to be buffed.
Show me how much EHP it should have, how much PG/Cargohold.
Go on. Prove you're not all just big crybabies and give me the numbers. Numbers?
Take slot numbers from Command ship, remove weapons, add mining laser. EHP, defens, aligne time stay the same. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
321
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:04:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:I'm still waiting to see how ridiculously OP you people think the Hulk should be.
I want numbers. Everything else is bleating. Tell me what babies you are if you want the Hulk to be buffed.
Show me how much EHP it should have, how much PG/Cargohold.
Go on. Prove you're not all just big crybabies and give me the numbers. Numbers? Take slot numbers from Command ship, remove weapons, add mining laser. EHP, defens, aligne time stay the same.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Command ships can still be blapped by a small fleet of destroyers.
Which isn't what you said you wanted, at all. Give me numbers describing what you want 400m in hulls would be about 200 destroyers, right? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
296
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:05:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:I'm still waiting to see how ridiculously OP you people think the Hulk should be.
I want numbers. Everything else is bleating. Tell me what babies you are if you want the Hulk to be buffed.
Show me how much EHP it should have, how much PG/Cargohold.
Go on. Prove you're not all just big crybabies and give me the numbers. Numbers? Take slot numbers from Command ship, remove weapons, add mining laser. EHP, defens, aligne time stay the same.
This seems fair. No reason for a miner's bread and butter to not have the same defenses as a missioner's bread and butter, considering they (the miners) earn the same amount or less for a larger investment. Aranakas CEO of-áGreen Anarchy Green vs Green |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
321
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:06:00 -
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That will not tank 400M in hulls in any way, shape, or form. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
296
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:06:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Command ships can still be blapped by a small fleet of destroyers.
Which isn't what you said you wanted, at all. Give me numbers describing what you want. 400m in hulls would be about 200 destroyers, right?
Idiocy much?
At least then the gankers would have to be organized. As it is, it takes just a lone ganker, which needs to change. Aranakas CEO of-áGreen Anarchy Green vs Green |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
321
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:09:00 -
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The problem is with bleaters like this for every inch they get they WAIL louder for the mile that they actually want.
He wants to mine AFK risk-free.
Not even single-player games let you do that do they? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6018
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:11:00 -
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Ibn Taymiyyah wrote:Find me a ship, of any type, that costs 200/300mil, that's fitted for max yield at it's role (if it's combat, it's a basic glass cannon), fitted with as much tank as it can after max yield.
Now name me a single one that can be killed by 2 destroyers that cost less than 10mil with fittings in under 10 seconds! :) For starters, that premise disqualifies the Hulk, since it cannot be killed by those two destroyers.
The Impel (with the prices I last saw in Jita at least) very nearly qualifies, with about the same margin as the Hulk. The Mastodon gets away with it because, being a shield tanker, it can fit both tank and primary purpose at once. The other DSCs don't qualify because they're too cheap. You can make a few T3 ships to fulfil those requirements as well, and the silly Damnation posted earlier almost qualifies too (a similarly silly Eos comes even closer, and you can't even properly max out a Claymore).
Adunh Slavy wrote:ROFL - you have more than proven you are not worth wasting time upon. When you decide to debate honestly, I'll do something other than poke you with this pointed stick. So you can't actually refer to any specific argument, I take it?
Whitehound wrote:I did not need to back it up since you do remember it. Yes you do, because your claim remains unsupported: that CCP said price was a factor in balance and that they've used pricing modifications to adjust balance.
Quote:And yes you denied someone else here in the thread to use the price of a ship as an argument for a change, but this is exactly what lead CCP to make the change. GǪwhich once more isn't what you were claiming. You should really read what you've written and try to stick to one line.
No, I did not deny that they have adjusted prices. I've simply said that you cannot support your claim that they've used price as a factor in their balancing efforts. All you've offered is an example of them indirectly adjusting prices GÇö not that they've tried to adjust ship balancing in any way by doing so. And no, what lead CCP to make the change had nothing to do with balance and everything to do with market inefficiencies GÇö more specifically bottlenecks in the T2 manufacturing process.
So no, price is not a factor in balance.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Ibn Taymiyyah
Treasures Collectors Northern Associates.
5
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:11:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Command ships can still be blapped by a small fleet of destroyers.
Don't really care for the outcome of this discussion, but I'd like the see that small fleet of destroyers take down a command ship before concord arrives, as this is the point someone is making. 2/3 Destroyers taking down a 300mil ship in less time than concord needs to arrive.
I agree with BCs, whatever tier, ganking. There's "some" investment there. But destroyers? That's peanuts.
And please don't tell me that a "small" fleet is 12 dessies
On the other side, no one is making anyone fly a hulk. You know it's expensive, some of you actually know it sucks as it doesn't deliver even a near advantage to the cost scalling.... so, fly a covetor! :| If I was mining in highsec, I'd fly a covetor! When I was in wspace, I flew covetors and it worked great! :)
The whole discussion is rather pointless as I doubt CCP will buff the hulk. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
321
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:15:00 -
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Ibn Taymiyyah wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Command ships can still be blapped by a small fleet of destroyers. Don't really care for the outcome of this discussion, but I'd like the see that small fleet of destroyers take down a command ship before concord arrives, as this is the point someone is making. 2/3 Destroyers taking down a 300mil ship in less time than concord needs to arrive. I agree with BCs, whatever tier, ganking. There's "some" investment there. But destroyers? That's peanuts. And please don't tell me that a "small" fleet is 12 dessies On the other side, no one is making anyone fly a hulk. You know it's expensive, some of you actually know it sucks as it doesn't deliver even a near advantage to the cost scalling.... so, fly a covetor! :| If I was mining in highsec, I'd fly a covetor! When I was in wspace, I flew covetors and it worked great! :) The whole discussion is rather pointless as I doubt CCP will buff the hulk. Of course you don't like where this conversation is going. 200 Destroyers is a lot of ******* destroyers. It terrifies you that your Hulk should have to withstand that according to peanutbrain logic. Which is fine, it should.
Let's say you're right, let's say it takes 12 guys. 12 x 2 is only 24M in hulls. That's small potatoes next to what he says he wants.
400M in hulls for 400M in hull.
I bet we could bring down a command ship (after a proper CONCORD pull for bonus time) in a 0.6 system with 8 Destroyers though. Just guesstimating the math, of course. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
580
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:16:00 -
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They will not buff the hulk, but they are trying to better mining and they are changing the way aggression works everywhere. Who knows how these things combined will effect the game in the long term.
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Mister Sparkles
Sparkly Rectums Chained Reactions
13
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:16:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Yeah, Hulks are gankbait.
I find actually being at the keyboard improves your odds of survival, though.
are you my long lost brother? |
Whitehound
29
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No, I did not deny that they have adjusted prices. Thank you. |
Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
164
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:20:00 -
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So you are saying it is fair because a miner who doesn't have combat skills gets kill rights? I'm sure they are going to warp right to their hanger, grab their pvp ship that can not only find said pilot after a few gate jumps. And of course proceed to chase them into their possible null sec home or 1v1 with their superior combat skills?
No one is going to sit around to "possibly" get ganked by the person they just ganked. And further more, even if they did... They most likely have better skills and a ship to fight them. Not to mention could just as easily play station games until the other player gets bored, dies, or their right to kill them ends.
The current system is flawed. So I guess CCP needs to either pod gankers with concord. Or try to keep hulk ganking from being an eve online past time. The fact that it is a seasonal practice alone makes you realize how borked it is.
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6018
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:21:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:You want to gank a 400m hull? Spent 400m just for hulls ... then we can talk! Eh, no. Balance doesn't really work that way. Balance is when you can't just buy your way to safety by spending more money on the hull GÇö balance is when, no matter how much you spend, you run the risk of being killed by even something quite small. In fact, the bigger you are GÇö and the more expensive your hull GÇö the more vulnerable you should be to those smaller ships.
Paper-scissors-rock. You picked the expensive rock, so he goes for the cheap paper.
Quote:Take slot numbers from Command ship, remove weapons, add mining laser. EHP, defens, aligne time stay the same. You still think that barges are battlecruisers, don't you?
Aranakas wrote:At least then the gankers would have to be organized. As it is, it takes just a lone ganker, which needs to change. This is already the case if youGǪ you knowGǪ tank your Hulk.
By the way, just as that Hulk is creeping up towards 300M, those GÇ£cheapGÇ¥ destroyers used to kill it start to creep up to 2M a pop, just for the hull, as opposed to the 7-800 they used to cost. So don't for a second think that the loss ratios have changed just because the Hulk is a bit more expensive than before.
Whitehound wrote:Thank you. So you agree, then, that price is not a factor in balance. Good. You're quite weird for tanking me for saying you were as wrong as you have always been. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
321
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:22:00 -
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Digital Messiah wrote:So you are saying it is fair because a miner who doesn't have combat skills gets kill rights? I'm sure they are going to warp right to their hanger, grab their pvp ship that can not only find said pilot after a few gate jumps. And of course proceed to chase them into their possible null sec home or 1v1 with their superior combat skills?
No one is going to sit around to "possibly" get ganked by the person they just ganked. And further more, even if they did... They most likely have better skills and a ship to fight them. Not to mention could just as easily play station games until the other player gets bored, dies, or their right to kill them ends.
The current system is flawed. So I guess CCP needs to either pod gankers with concord. Or try to keep hulk ganking from being an eve online past time. The fact that it is a seasonal practice alone makes you realize how borked it is.
Actually what I expect them to do is fit tanks and use their scanners.
Barring that, mine aligned and change targets on the fly. Warp the moment they have visual on potential hostiles.
But what THEY expect to do is sit AFK and fatten their filthy wallets while rules lawyers bawl it up to CCP to protect the poor innocent tykes from the big bad wolf. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
135
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:22:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:The problem is with bleaters like this for every inch they get they WAIL louder for the mile that they actually want.
He wants to mine AFK risk-free.
Not even single-player games let you do that do they? Dude, I can't mine at all (except Arbitrator with T1 mining drones). With none of my chars.
I'm just not such an ******* to not see the fail in balance and I don't try to defend this fail like you.
Do I want to PvP? Sure, I do it every day! Do I need such an eazy target for my e-peen? No! Does it mean I just star "fair fights"? For sure not *g*. Enter the space of my ally and you are dead. Doesn't matter if you fly a shuttle or multi billion mothership.
BUT as I like EVE I know this game can just survive when all professions are balanced. Not just the one I prefare. Without miners (and highsec miners too) I can't buy ships or equip as I have sero interest in mining+production.
With the lose of drone regions I allready know the price will rise like crazy. If Hulkgeddon starts and the ore from all this highsec miners is missing too I allready know T1 stuff will become crazy expensive.
And don't let's forget: 90% of all AFK highsec miners are ALTS FROM 00/low guys!! Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
595
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:So you can't actually refer to any specific argument, I take it?
Too damn funny, just keep repeating the same thing over and over. Doing exactly what many point out. Thanks for the evidence. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
321
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:24:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:The problem is with bleaters like this for every inch they get they WAIL louder for the mile that they actually want.
He wants to mine AFK risk-free.
Not even single-player games let you do that do they? Dude, I can't mine at all (except Arbitrator with T1 mining drones). With none of my chars. I'm just not such an ******* to not see the fail in balance and I don't try to defend this fail like you. Do I want to PvP? Sure, I do it every day! Do I need such an eazy target for my e-peen? No! Does it mean I just star "fair fights"? For sure not *g*. Enter the space of my ally and you are dead. Doesn't matter if you fly a shuttle or multi billion mothership. BUT as I like EVE I know this game can just survive when all professions are balanced. Not just the one I prefare. Without miners (and highsec miners too) I can't buy ships or equip as I have sero interest in mining+production. With the lose of drone regions I allready know the price will rise like crazy. If Hulkgeddon starts and the ore from all this highsec miners is missing too I allready know T1 stuff will become crazy expensive. And don't let's forget: 90% of all AFK highsec miners are ALTS FROM 00/low guys!! What you are actually on-record as saying is that 400M in hulls should be required for 400M in hull.
That's 200 fitted destroyers, if not more.
Do you stand by your statement or retract it?
I am still waiting. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
135
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:25:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: Actually what I expect them to do is fit tanks and use their scanners.
We allready prove decent buffer tank fit is imposible.
And it is allready mentioned, that scanner is useless in high as you can't allways jump out as soon as some neutral enter the system.
And we allready prove, that a decent gank can kill ANY Hulk equal of fitting in less then 10 seconds (Hulk alligne time 17.4 seconds!!!!!!!).
So who do you try to impress with your lies? Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
296
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:27:00 -
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Wow. This thread is a monument to miner idiocy.
Props to Tippia - the master of making them look stupid and they don't even realize it.
The nerfs for gankers have been coming thick and fast, CCP patching away more and more of the sandbox.
But it STILL isn't enough for the crybears.
Miners mad because gankers used to get insurance (like everyone else). CCP caves, Insurance goes away - but only for gankers. Miners celebrate - until they discover they are still getting killed. Gankers compensate by attacking in dessies - even while GCC'd. -Nerfed within weeks. Gankers compensate by chain killing in Tornados. -Nerfed. Unload your mods into an Orca? -Nerfed.
And now we get a threadnaught demanding buffs for Hulks, even though they can already:
Tank over 31K EHP - (40K with fleet boosts), and still fit 3x T2 strip miners - which saves you from any solo gank, and most small group ganks.
Then I read their ideas for 'improving' the Hulk.
Just wow. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6018
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:28:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Too damn funny, just keep repeating the same thing over and over. Doing exactly what many point out. Thanks for the evidence. So you can't actually refer to any specific argument, I take it?
You have continually failed to produce anything even remotely resembling any kind of argument. I'll keep asking you to do so until you do or until you admit that you don't have one. Your choice. So far, we can safely conclude that you have nothing. You are just trying to stall to cover this embarrassing fact.
No, it's not funny that you fail to such a degree. I'm trying to help you here, but you refuse to take it. What a shame. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Ibn Taymiyyah
Treasures Collectors Northern Associates.
5
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:28:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Of course you don't like where this conversation is going. 200 Destroyers is a lot of ******* destroyers. It terrifies you that your Hulk should have to withstand that according to peanutbrain logic. Which is fine, it should.
Let's say you're right, let's say it takes 12 guys. 12 x 2 is only 24M in hulls. That's small potatoes next to what he says he wants.
400M in hulls for 400M in hull.
I bet we could bring down a command ship (after a proper CONCORD pull for bonus time) in a 0.6 system with 8 Destroyers though. Just guesstimating the math, of course.
Sorry mate, you must have misread what I wrote. I really don't care where this is going. If you're firing on my hulk, I'm already dead, no matter what ship you're bringing
And yeah, needing "equal valued" ships to kill your ship is bullshit. Never argued with you on that and never will. But I do believe that suiciding a 200mil ship should have more of a price tag than 10mil isk, that's all. It's so damn easy and profitable (if you choose your targets) that even I have considered going to highsec to kill some "bots"
Tippia wrote:For starters, that premise disqualifies the Hulk, since it cannot be killed by those two destroyers.
The Impel (with the prices I last saw in Jita at least) very nearly qualifies, with about the same margin as the Hulk. The Mastodon gets away with it because, being a shield tanker, it can fit both tank and primary purpose at once. The other DSCs don't qualify because they're too cheap. You can make a few T3 ships to fulfil those requirements as well, and the silly Damnation posted earlier almost qualifies too (a similarly silly Eos comes even closer, and you can't even properly max out a Claymore).
Mate, the hulk is going for 300mil. both the impel and the mastodon are 100mil cheaper. Anyway, a hulk does not die to 2 dessies when maxed out for something that's not tank? Even I have lost a hulk that way when I was a noob, unless you're going with faction/deadspace fittings.
But try the other challenge. Find a same priced hull that without fittings dies faster than a hulk. I haven't really looked at real numbers, but from the top of my head I can only find some that may come close to the raw survivability of the hulk.
And now that I've made whatever point I was trying to make, I'm off to bed! Later o/ |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
321
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:29:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: Actually what I expect them to do is fit tanks and use their scanners.
We allready prove decent buffer tank fit is imposible. And it is allready mentioned, that scanner is useless in high as you can't allways jump out as soon as some neutral enter the system. And we allready prove, that a decent gank can kill ANY Hulk equal of fitting in less then 10 seconds (Hulk alligne time 17.4 seconds!!!!!!!). So who do you try to impress with your lies? Your proof was pretty epic ****, too. A booster and an extender? A MWD on the Hulk?
Scanner is not useless. Period.
If you mine pre-aligned (LIKE I SAID) then your align time is zero, right? Then exactly what excuse besides "AFK" do you have if you just do it right? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6018
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:31:00 -
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Ibn Taymiyyah wrote:Mate, the hulk is going for 300mil. both the impel and the mastodon are 100mil cheaper. Anyway, a hulk does not die to 2 dessies when maxed out for something not tank? When maxed out for yield and then tanked, it will have just over 15k EHP. Those two dessies will have a hard time chewing through that in 10s. The rule of the game was a ship in the 200/300M region, which the Impel and Mastodon fit into. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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