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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
414
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:29:00 -
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if you think the hulk is bad, do try to tank a skiff. also, you can fit 3 T2 hards on the hulk. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
baltec1
1070
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:33:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:
Just say you like paper thin tanks on hulks, don't hide it. :)
Having lost a gang of six destroyers to a supertank hulk, I can only agree |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
255
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:
Just say you like paper thin tanks on hulks, don't hide it. :)
Having lost a gang of six destroyers to a supertank hulk, I can only agree
yeah that 12 mill isk must have really burnt...
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Keno Skir
110
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:40:00 -
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Gotta agree with most of the above. It's a mining ship not a battleship or even a cruiser. You might find trucks full of expensive equipment in a warzone, but that doesn't mean it can or should have the defences of a tank. The hulk is designed to extract ore quickly and absolutely nothing else. If it had an amazing tank it would be unrealistic IMHO. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
baltec1
1070
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:41:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:yeah that 12 mill isk must have really burnt...
Not as badly as the two smartbombing domi that tried after us |
Oxylan
1 Caldaryjski Pluton Uderzeniowy
9
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:50:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:so this is mega hulk maxed skills with a tengu running links with heat on give you just over 100k ehp its stupid expensive to even think about it but i guess it can be done...
[Hulk, New Setup 1] Damage Control II True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field Medium Shield Extender II
Strip Miner I Strip Miner I [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
One shot form energy neutralizer and your cap is down, no sense to use expensive invuls on hulk, hulk it self got big resist form bonus while using 3 invul even t2 you get all resit value at 80+% and faction stuf cant boost a lot this value because stack penalty... if you have bad day and bad luck you cant stand to 2-3 destroyers even you got super expensive items, next thing against expensive tank items and tank items on low slots like damage control, small plates hardener etc.
If you decide to use tank modules on low slots say cya for mining laser upgardes, and withaut two mining laser upg and t2 strip miner your hulk got horible mining efficienty. If it bleed we can kill it. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
439
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:59:00 -
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The Hulk is needs to be renamed to the fluffy loving rabbit. I have more space likes than you.-á |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
377
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Posted - 2012.04.11 03:03:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nura Taron wrote:I'm not a miner, but it always confused me that a t2 ship of that size has such pathetic tanks. All the tank fits I've seen for them have small shield boosters. Hulk are definitely not frigates CCP. I think they should get more tank and keep in mind I'm a lot more likely to be killing a hulk than driving one.
[ Same reason why a supertanker has little defences, Its not a warship.
Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪso how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with? and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please! Quite irrelevant. The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing.
Youre right. they should make it so you CANT AT ALL fit defensive stuff on that "NON COMBAT" ship
as it is after all non combat https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
321
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Posted - 2012.04.11 03:06:00 -
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Nura Taron wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nura Taron wrote:I'm not a miner, but it always confused me that a t2 ship of that size has such pathetic tanks. All the tank fits I've seen for them have small shield boosters. Hulk are definitely not frigates CCP. I think they should get more tank and keep in mind I'm a lot more likely to be killing a hulk than driving one.
[ Same reason why a supertanker has little defences, Its not a warship. Supertankers would have a better tank if their job required them to be in an asteroid belt full of hostile battleships. Revolution Rising wrote:Keep in mind, people have been mining in 0.0 for years without this. But it requires more to do it.
As someone above me mentioned it requires a ridiculously expensive deadspace loot fit to do it. Forcing people to take out a second mortgage to afford enough PLEX to cover their losses is not an effective way to make mining the main source of high end minerals.
lol yeah that was me too. ;) Like I said can be up to a 500m loss of a single sub capital ship depending on fittings.
Probably less so in other parts of space, but certainly against sansha's the EM/TH part of the your fitting is gonna cost you because the rats do EM/TH and those are the worst resists. Likely end up with some faction in there somewhere and the rigs are taken up with it - so you cannot as someone above suggested fit PG rigs for LSE's ;)
You'll probably need a pithi/gisti B type shield booster also. edit: for typo. CSM7 Skype Leak
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
237
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Posted - 2012.04.11 04:16:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪso how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with? and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please! Quite irrelevant. The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing. Would you consider the Bustard overpowered then? I believe it can fit an LSE while not being a combat ship but a tanky transport. It provides in my opinion a better comparison to the hulk than the iteron series as it is also a tech 2 version of a non-combat, dedicated purpose hull.
Yeah but the entire point of that transport ship is to transfer cargo through hostile space. Its built for purpose. |
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Dyniss
BloodLust Enterprises Apocalypse Now.
12
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Posted - 2012.04.11 04:17:00 -
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Well I think hulks tanks are fine if properly fit. I can easily have a 20k unheated tank on my hulk plus I also keep security with the hulk too. I mine in 0.0 in alliance space and there is A LOT of tools at your disposal to stop people trying to pop your miners. Intel channels standing fleets and belt security. These measures alone will stop all but the large blobs (and at that point you just safe up since their usually spotted in intel) or the occasional logoffskie attempt. And like others have said the hulk is a industrial ship designed to mine ore not engage in combat. Even in real life militarys logistics and transport is closely guarded. Going out to mine alone (especially in empire) you're taking a risk and since RoE in empire are crap its a breeding ground for griefers. Properly fit your hulk don't just think about max yield. A damage control adds a lot of ehp. Being in a fleet to adds leadership bonuses and possible gang links. At the end of the day EVE Online was met to be a group activity not a solo effort. |
Tarn Kugisa
Space Mongolian Pinked
61
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Posted - 2012.04.11 04:26:00 -
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I stopped mining in null due to not being able to tank any rats with my retreiver. Granted thats a Teir 2 Tech 1 barge, but I take it you need a drake or something to take the aggro from the rats so they can use their cloud of drones to gank the rats. Hulks should be able to tank fairly large ships, not being ganked by a destroyer, which is meant to do that to frigs.
My Merlin gets a better tank than a hulk.
EDIT: If the Hulk got 50-75 MW more PG and 50 TF more CPU it could tank pretty well. Maybe even some more slots but that is wishful thinking. Real Caldari Hull Tank (And Win doing so) Support the EVE Version of Source Recoder! |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
583
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Posted - 2012.04.11 04:31:00 -
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Dyniss wrote: At the end of the day EVE Online was met to be a group activity not a solo effort.
Some of us simply do not enjoy hearding cats. Doesn't mean we don't like the other cats. |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.04.11 04:41:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪso how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with? and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please!
okay
can you fit a 1600mm plate on a viator/occator |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.04.11 04:43:00 -
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it's easy to get 30-40k ehp out of a hulk
you just have to realize that survivability comes at the expense of mining yield
that's something that most hisec miners can't wrap their heads around vOv |
Dyniss
BloodLust Enterprises Apocalypse Now.
12
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:25:00 -
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Tarn Kugisa wrote:I stopped mining in null due to not being able to tank any rats with my retreiver. Granted thats a Teir 2 Tech 1 barge, but I take it you need a drake or something to take the aggro from the rats so they can use their cloud of drones to gank the rats. Hulks should be able to tank fairly large ships, not being ganked by a destroyer, which is meant to do that to frigs.
My Merlin gets a better tank than a hulk.
EDIT: If the Hulk got 50-75 MW more PG and 50 TF more CPU it could tank pretty well. Maybe even some more slots but that is wishful thinking. Belt security is all you need a single cruiser usually faction or hac will work fine. I personally use a Gila myself. It tanks very well plus you have plenty of room for logistic drones. I carry a flight of heavy T2 shield bots myself. |
Dyniss
BloodLust Enterprises Apocalypse Now.
12
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:27:00 -
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But then again I run dual accounts which IMHO is the most optimal way to play EVE. |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
118
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:29:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Suicide gank of T3 miner? Yes, please.
Embarassingly/funnily enough, I read this and said "harrrr" out loud. What the **** is happening =\ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3296
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:33:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:never minned a day in my life other than that mission that made me mine once...
so i was looking at the hulk today and was wondering why there are so many high sec bear tears... when i noticed it had this awesome resist bonus profile but it cant fit a bloody LSE?!?!??!
either fix the damn ship ccp or add the 5th subsystem to TIII ships that are indy/minning based... shesh!
How eerie. I was just yesterday thinking that the Hulk ought to be able to fit an LSE. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
110
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:38:00 -
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Dyniss wrote:Well I think hulks tanks are fine if properly fit. I can easily have a 20k unheated tank on my hulk plus I also keep security with the hulk too. I mine in 0.0 in alliance space and there is A LOT of tools at your disposal to stop people trying to pop your miners. Intel channels standing fleets and belt security. These measures alone will stop all but the large blobs (and at that point you just safe up since their usually spotted in intel) or the occasional logoffskie attempt. And like others have said the hulk is a industrial ship designed to mine ore not engage in combat. Even in real life militarys logistics and transport is closely guarded. Going out to mine alone (especially in empire) you're taking a risk and since RoE in empire are crap its a breeding ground for griefers. Properly fit your hulk don't just think about max yield. A damage control adds a lot of ehp. Being in a fleet to adds leadership bonuses and possible gang links. At the end of the day EVE Online was met to be a group activity not a solo effort.
A Whole 20K Gee wow. That's like, uber and stuff. With a tank like that I'm sure null bears will be flooding thier belts with 20K EHP Hulks now. They should pay you for that fit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
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Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
17
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:38:00 -
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Hulk....hmmm.....HEY OP your an IDIOT!
Have you taken the time to google the hulk tto fit against ganking? NO!
Thats what i thought. not going to give ya the answer going to mke you work but you can fit a hulk not all faction tank gear but able to have over 35k EHP with a nice shield resists but you would cry cause you could not fit the T2 strippers....still you cry when your hulk pops. |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
17
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:41:00 -
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Ioci wrote:[quote=Dyniss]Well I think hulks tanks are fine if properly fit. I can easily have a 20k unheated tank on my hulk plus I also keep security with the hulk too. I mine in 0.0 in alliance space and there is A LOT of tools at your disposal to stop people trying to pop your miners. Intel channels standing fleets and belt security. These measures alone will stop all but the large blobs (and at that point you just safe up since their usually spotted in intel) or the occasional logoffskie attempt. And like others have said the hulk is a industrial ship designed to mine ore not engage in combat. Even in real life militarys logistics and transport is closely guarded. Going out to mine alone (especially in empire) you're taking a risk and since RoE in empire are crap its a breeding ground for griefers. Properly fit your hulk don't just think about max yield. A damage control adds a lot of ehp. Being in a fleet to adds leadership bonuses and possible gang links. At the end of the day EVE Online was met to be a group activity not a solo effort.
Pathetic. I did the same blue shield thing. watched a hult pilot tank against 10 man crew and could not pop him they had tyo call a curse in to kill him. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
452
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:46:00 -
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Why do people still insist on mining in hisec?
High security space is an area meant for new players to learn the game, and for people to come together to trade. The idea is clear, once you get the hang of the game, you move out of the noobzone and start playing.
If you can fly a T2 fitted Hulk, you should leave the cradle and join or form a corporation. There are no suicide gankers outside hisec, you can mine your heart out in corp/alliance mining operations in environments that you and your friends can control. Now is the the perfect time to leave cesspool behind and get rich.
Free your mind and your Hulk fill follow! |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
584
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Posted - 2012.04.11 05:51:00 -
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Roime wrote: and join or form a corporation
Not everyone enjoys null sec politics and waiting around for others to get their **** together constantly. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
452
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Posted - 2012.04.11 06:04:00 -
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Null sec?
What about NPC null, lowsec and wormholes? I couldn't care less about null politics, and I very much prefer to live 100% from CONCORD, Empire faggotry and blobs. It's a huge world out there, and anybody can reap the riches it offers.
All you really need is a pair, doesn't even have to be big one, and little bit of common sense.
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Shadowsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.04.11 06:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:All the industrail sector ships need an HP bump, and a big bump at that. If they have to cost more in minerals, so be it. No, they simply require people to tank them.
When they're tanked, can a single overheated tier3 BC still gank them in high-sec? If not, I don't see a problem with the way they are now. If yes, maybe a small increase of hitpoints makes sense, just enough that it require a pair of gankers. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1165
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Posted - 2012.04.11 06:18:00 -
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Take note CCP.
When even gankers, the most risk averse, pathetic lowlifes that infest this game, are calling for for more tank on Exhumers, you might want to realize that you may just actually have a problem here.
Lets kick it up a notch, CCP. You want that everyone starts mining in battleships again because they do a better job than the ships designed for it?
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
479
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Posted - 2012.04.11 06:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪso how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with? and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please! Quite irrelevant. The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing.
actually it is relevant because a hulk is a t2 ship with a smaller tank then a cruiser. it shouldn't have a BS tank, but it should be what enough for what is meant for, mining in dangerous space. LSE on a hulk would be respectable, or all t2 miners for that matter. there should be a larger jump from covetor to hulk. the PG to fit a LSE2 instead of small would be a good improvement |
Dyniss
BloodLust Enterprises Apocalypse Now.
12
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Posted - 2012.04.11 06:25:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Dyniss wrote:Well I think hulks tanks are fine if properly fit. I can easily have a 20k unheated tank on my hulk plus I also keep security with the hulk too. I mine in 0.0 in alliance space and there is A LOT of tools at your disposal to stop people trying to pop your miners. Intel channels standing fleets and belt security. These measures alone will stop all but the large blobs (and at that point you just safe up since their usually spotted in intel) or the occasional logoffskie attempt. And like others have said the hulk is a industrial ship designed to mine ore not engage in combat. Even in real life militarys logistics and transport is closely guarded. Going out to mine alone (especially in empire) you're taking a risk and since RoE in empire are crap its a breeding ground for griefers. Properly fit your hulk don't just think about max yield. A damage control adds a lot of ehp. Being in a fleet to adds leadership bonuses and possible gang links. At the end of the day EVE Online was met to be a group activity not a solo effort. A Whole 20K Gee wow. That's like, uber and stuff. With a tank like that I'm sure null bears will be flooding thier belts with 20K EHP Hulks now. They should pay you for that fit. Nothing wrong with 20k ehp I was just using it as an example. Also I don't understand this null bear nonsense most miners in EVE are very much into pvp they just use mining to fund their pvp. I am sure you have some way to fund your gameplay style too |
Dyniss
BloodLust Enterprises Apocalypse Now.
12
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Posted - 2012.04.11 06:29:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪso how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with? and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please! Quite irrelevant. The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing. actually it is relevant because a hulk is a t2 ship with a smaller tank then a cruiser. it shouldn't have a BS tank, but it should be what enough for what is meant for, mining in dangerous space. LSE on a hulk would be respectable, or all t2 miners for that matter. there should be a larger jump from covetor to hulk. the PG to fit a LSE2 instead of small would be a good improvement I don't see any cruisers that can get 80+ to all resists with 2 modules neither. |
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