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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.04.13 16:54:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Mark Androcius wrote:Another thing, if a hulk is warp scrambled, it doesn't matter how much tank it has, unless it has more then enough to last 30 seconds. So in other words having tank is insanely important.
LOL
30 seconds is a very, very, long time. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1144
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Posted - 2012.04.13 16:56:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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baltec1
1089
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Posted - 2012.04.13 16:57:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:9sec rof with 1400's
yea, thats not possible, not by a long shot. |
Whitehound
48
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Posted - 2012.04.13 16:59:00 -
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Another number example, this time with the two shield-tanking T2 transporters Mastodon and Bustard:
Both transporters have more low- (5) than mid-slots (3), yet, when you fit them only for shield tanking and with 2x LSE II and 1x AIF II do both get 50k eHP. Their signatures are however larger - 200 and 215 - whereas the Hulk's signature is only 150. Scaling down the eHP proportionally to the signatures should a Hulk still have 35k-40k eHP and only by using its mid-slots. However, it is currently only half as much. Mainly because of the huge difference in PG (Hulk: 35 PG, T2 Transporter: 245-268 PG).
The ships have similar align times (16.7 vs 17.4). This does not account for the different prices / bills of materials of these ships or their different speeds or roles. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.04.13 17:01:00 -
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battlehulk incoming! |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.04.13 17:07:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:battlehulk incoming!
Hulk killing Tornados. That would be fun thing to see. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6064
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Posted - 2012.04.13 17:13:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:This does not account for the different prices / bills of materials of these ships or their different speeds or roles. GǪand that is your problem right there. You're comparing the Hulk to a ship class whose entire purpose is to take one hell of a beating. It's really surprising that they can tank a bit thenGǪ
Quote:No, the eHP is not fine. One should only need to use the mid-slots and not every available option to get a decent tank out of it. Good news: you don't have to either. So that's that GÇ£problemGÇ¥ solved, then. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Whitehound
52
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Posted - 2012.04.13 17:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Whitehound wrote:This does not account for the different prices / bills of materials of these ships or their different speeds or roles. GǪand that is your problem right there. You're comparing the Hulk to a ship class whose entire purpose is to take one hell of a beating. It's really surprising that they can tank a bit thenGǪ You might as well compare the Hulk to a carrier at that point. Quote:No, the eHP is not fine. One should only need to use the mid-slots and not every available option to get a decent tank out of it. Good news: you don't have to either. So that's that GǣproblemGǥ solved, then. The Hulk is a transport ship just like the T2 transporters. PvP takes place everywhere and cannot be restricted to a certain area. The T2 transporters' designation is supported by more than just a tank and a cargo bay. They get active tanking bonuses as well as +2 warp scramble strength. The Hulk can fit strip miners and gets bonuses to mining yield for its role.
It is simply a lack of PG on the side of the mining ships. Newer industrials like the Noctis (250PG) or the Primea (175PG) do come with a proper amount now. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6064
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:07:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:The Hulk is a transport ship just like the T2 transporters. No. It's an exhumer GÇö a T2 mining barge. It's role is to suck up rocks, not to transport stuff straight through camps by sheer force of its tank.
Quote:The T2 transporters' designation is supported by more than just a tank and a cargo bay. They get active tanking bonuses as well as +2 warp scramble strength.
The Hulk can fit strip miners and gets bonuses to mining yield for its role. GǪso you can't really compare the two because they are nothing alike. One is purposefully designed to take one hell of a beating; the other isn't. So yes, you illustrate quite nicely why your comparison doesn't work. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
289
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:10:00 -
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so tippia if you just said you cant compare the two why did you compare the two in your initial statement? oxymoronic much!?!? PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
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Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:17:00 -
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Confirming the growth of the thread is accelerated when you feed the trolls. It would appear as the troll is fed a post the thread gains yet another post from the troll itself, the trolls post however goads other trolls to retort and throw out their own post that in turns goads the initial troll, gaining more and more trolls as the size of the thread peaks the interest of onlookers to join, so you can say. So the laws of trolling are; For every reply to the initial post of a troll, there is a response in reaction to said replies from the troll itself, Trolls attract trolls, ????, What's this thread about again? -á |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:30:00 -
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Nylith Empyreal wrote:Confirming the growth of the thread is accelerated when you feed the trolls. It would appear as the troll is fed a post the thread gains yet another post from the troll itself, the trolls post however goads other trolls to retort and throw out their own post that in turns goads the initial troll, gaining more and more trolls as the size of the thread peaks the interest of onlookers to join, so you can say. So the laws of trolling are; For every reply to the initial post of a troll, there is a response in reaction to said replies from the troll itself, Trolls attract trolls, ????, What's this thread about again? See the page number.
42
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Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:34:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:Confirming the growth of the thread is accelerated when you feed the trolls. It would appear as the troll is fed a post the thread gains yet another post from the troll itself, the trolls post however goads other trolls to retort and throw out their own post that in turns goads the initial troll, gaining more and more trolls as the size of the thread peaks the interest of onlookers to join, so you can say. So the laws of trolling are; For every reply to the initial post of a troll, there is a response in reaction to said replies from the troll itself, Trolls attract trolls, ????, What's this thread about again? See the page number. 42 \o/
That's brilliant.
???? has been changed to '42' aka the page point of no return and the answer to everything. -á |
Ildryn
The Inf1dels GIANTSBANE.
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 19:25:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:So why would a ship that spends its time sitting in a belt suckling on rocks that don't move require a faster align time than a front line warship? Someone just thought it would "replace T2 transport ships". I just wanted to show that with current stats it's not going to happen. Front line warship? Only place I can see Abaddons is Amarr main station undock. No-one is stupid enough to use armor ships in combat. It's only Drakes, Tengus, Hurricanes and weird shield tanked Gallente ships.
Jorma Morkkis
CURRENT CORPORATION State War Academy [SWA] from 2012.03.07 16:57 to this day
Listen to this guy....he won eve after a month.
They are called Hellcats you stupid ******.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=12373116
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Ildryn
The Inf1dels GIANTSBANE.
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 19:40:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Ildryn wrote:The ehp on a hulk is fine. Small ships should be able to take it out in gangs. Providing it is properly fit....with tank. Hulks are not worth what they are being sold for....they are just sold that high because people can get away with it. I used a 14million isk frig to take out a 100million isk t2 fit raven before.....does that mean that the raven needs a buff? No it means people need to play smarter and tank their **** or use something that does tank. It really is simple as that. No, the eHP is not fine. One should only need to use the mid-slots and not every available option to get a decent tank out of it. And the eHP fits given here are only useful against a particular gank, but in general is the tank just weak. One can take out a cap with a frigate, if you let it. It is not a smart argument. Maybe when you want people to be smarter, then start with yourself.
I know my killboard isnt pretty....
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Whitehound#losses But Whitehound....damn
Kills Losses 1 Lifetime 9 0.14 bill ISK 0.68 bill 6.96 Points 55.52 3,788.00 Damage 201,325.00
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6065
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Posted - 2012.04.13 19:50:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:so tippia if you just said you cant compare the two why did you compare the two in your initial statement? oxymoronic much!?!? GǪyou mean aside from the fact that I didn't?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Whitehound
53
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:04:00 -
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Ildryn wrote:I know my killboard isn't pretty.... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Whitehound#lossesBut Whitehound....damn Kills Losses 1 Lifetime 9 0.14 bill ISK 0.68 bill 6.96 Points 55.52 3,788.00 Damage 201,325.00 You lost a freighter to a lone Vagabond....do you want freighter ehp buffed too? Or your fail fit thorax? Should it have more ehp so you can continue with the fail? You have a very short history of fail....do you really think that any advice you can provide is worth anyone's time? You mad? The fail fit Thorax killed the Vaga. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
564
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:05:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:
dont mine ice
hey thats a hard one
Yes why I didn't think about that. It's not like a couple of things in game depend on it. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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bornaa
GRiD.
208
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:06:00 -
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Ildryn wrote:Whitehound wrote:Ildryn wrote:The ehp on a hulk is fine. Small ships should be able to take it out in gangs. Providing it is properly fit....with tank. Hulks are not worth what they are being sold for....they are just sold that high because people can get away with it. I used a 14million isk frig to take out a 100million isk t2 fit raven before.....does that mean that the raven needs a buff? No it means people need to play smarter and tank their **** or use something that does tank. It really is simple as that. No, the eHP is not fine. One should only need to use the mid-slots and not every available option to get a decent tank out of it. And the eHP fits given here are only useful against a particular gank, but in general is the tank just weak. One can take out a cap with a frigate, if you let it. It is not a smart argument. Maybe when you want people to be smarter, then start with yourself. I know my killboard isn't pretty.... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Whitehound#lossesBut Whitehound....damn Kills Losses 1 Lifetime 9 0.14 bill ISK 0.68 bill 6.96 Points 55.52 3,788.00 Damage 201,325.00 You lost a freighter to a lone Vagabond....do you want freighter ehp buffed too? Or your fail fit thorax? Should it have more ehp so you can continue with the fail? You have a very short history of fail....do you really think that any advice you can provide is worth anyone's time?
I dont see connection between hulks ****** tank and that guys hill board. Hulk have ****** tank and noones KB will change that. Hulk need boost and i think it will get one.
But, why CCP throw this thread from GD when this is the thread with actual subject and discussion and there are many ****** threads left? That Ain't Right |
Ildryn
The Inf1dels GIANTSBANE.
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:08:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Ildryn wrote:I know my killboard isn't pretty.... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Whitehound#lossesBut Whitehound....damn Kills Losses 1 Lifetime 9 0.14 bill ISK 0.68 bill 6.96 Points 55.52 3,788.00 Damage 201,325.00 You lost a freighter to a lone Vagabond....do you want freighter ehp buffed too? Or your fail fit thorax? Should it have more ehp so you can continue with the fail? You have a very short history of fail....do you really think that any advice you can provide is worth anyone's time? You mad? The fail fit Thorax killed the Vaga.
Lol how could i be mad you had 3 others helping you.... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11770966 And you can't really say you killed it.....you did nearly the lowest damage....you mad?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:10:00 -
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Well, that only proves that everything can be destroyed just by adding more attackers.
We already have seen 30 man fleets ganking miners. What next? 60 man fleets? 100? 200? |
Whitehound
53
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:10:00 -
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This is how EVE is. Some tackle, others bait, someone else brings the DPS. And, no, I am not mad. |
Ildryn
The Inf1dels GIANTSBANE.
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:18:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Well, that only proves that everything can be destroyed just by adding more attackers. We already have seen 30 man fleets ganking miners. What next? 60 man fleets? 100? 200?
Why are you worried about 60 man fleets? At a month old you should be worried about core skills.
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Whitehound
53
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:22:00 -
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Ildryn wrote:Why are you worried about 60 man fleets? At a month old you should be worried about core skills. You should be worried about finding the topic of this thread. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
564
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Well I don't see such a big population increase to justify the rise of BPC requests. Yes I also have Tempest BPO, it was not so hot.
Nados get used for way more than ganking
Tempests too Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Ildryn
The Inf1dels GIANTSBANE.
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:27:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Ildryn wrote:Why are you worried about 60 man fleets? At a month old you should be worried about core skills. You should be worried about finding the topic of this thread.
Was replying to someone who quoted me. And as i have stated several times and other intelligent members of EVE. Hulks are fine. It's the pilots who decide Yield > Tank.
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malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
11
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:31:00 -
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Ildryn wrote:I know my killboard isn't pretty.... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Whitehound#lossesBut Whitehound....damn Kills Losses 1 Lifetime 9 0.14 bill ISK 0.68 bill 6.96 Points 55.52 3,788.00 Damage 201,325.00 You lost a freighter to a lone Vagabond....do you want freighter ehp buffed too? Or your fail fit thorax? Should it have more ehp so you can continue with the fail? You have a very short history of fail....do you really think that any advice you can provide is worth anyone's time?
Oh look killboard police. Unfortunately you are in the wrong topic for KB's
You muppet. |
Viira Khali'un
3-Prong Operational Resources The Fendahlian Collective
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:42:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:This was ages ago, but still makes me laugh.
I think it was in 2006 if I remember correctly. My corp at the time was part of the ASCN and we had a mining op going on in null. HULKS were still pretty rare at that time (and a lot more expensive than now), and our CEO had just purchased one and swore up and down that they had a great tank.
He asked us to open fire on him to test it.
We deactivated our launchers after he started screaming on VENT for us to stop shooting him. We stopped shooting him but quite a few missiles were still in flight and heading his way.
BOOM.
He owned it for all of 15 minutes or so between purchase and it getting blown to shreds.
Afterwards, a Mercenary Coalition interceptor grabbed his pod in the same system at the gate and blew up his multi billion isk implant set.
And he forgot to update his clone before that. ;)
Ow....just....ow.....talk about having a bad day >_<
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:42:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Because empire space is simply swarming with 30 man gank squads looking to blow up ships for no profit.
That's why they do it for fun. |
baltec1
1090
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:42:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:
And as I have stated several times and other intelligent memebers of EVE. Hulk are bad.
In what way? |
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