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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:04:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:baltec1 wrote: And what is so unreasonable about the fit I posted?
Did it bring yeilds to near max yeild covetor levels? If so, then it is a silly fit for a specialized mining ship. It mines slightly better while being ungankable to all but the most dedicated. On the left, fully insurable, zero cost disposable ship. Won't even care to tank it, it's free and disposable anyway. On the right, more training intensive, 10x times more expensive ship, tanked enough to withstand the average ganker. It'll still die, expecially come insert here any of Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, Bat Country, racketing for near of the above ship yield. Anyone see something wrong? No, eh?
No as in over 2 years I have never lost a hulk to a gank |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:05:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha you are a joke in literally every aspect of eve you should probably quit |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
588
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:
And it cost how much?
+10 to 15 mil on top on the hulk.
So just a bit under the cost of a covetor that can be nearly fully insured. I'll refer to V V's argument, why fly the hulk at all? |
Alara IonStorm
1970
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:05:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote: for armor tanking ships you must trade dps for tank
for shield tanking ships you trade other things for tank, in the hurricane example you've gimped your tank for mwd and tackle
[Hurricane, Tank, Tackle, Top Guns, Damg Mods.] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I Small Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
I seem to be able to fit all the guns and 2 Gyro's. Show me your Hulk Fit that lets me fit a MLU II, DCU LL, 3 Strip Miner III's and a Medium Shield Extender LL while leaving the rigs free. I would prefer 2 MLU's like this Armor Cane but I will settle for one. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6007
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:06:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:On the left, fully insurable, zero cost disposable ship. Won't even care to tank it, it's free and disposable anyway.
On the right, more training intensive, 10x times more expensive ship, tanked enough to withstand the average ganker. It'll still die, expecially come [insert here any of Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, Bat Country, racketing] for near of the above ship yield.
Anyone see something wrong? No, eh? No. What's wrong with it. All I see is the very good design decision that a small inexpensive ship can kill a larger, more expensive one. This is as it should be.
By the way, has anyone mentioned that cost isn't a balancing factor? You seem to assume that it isGǪ
Alara IonStorm wrote:I seem to be able to fit all the guns and 2 Gyro's. In other words, you've sacrificed gank for tank. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
533
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:06:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha you are a joke in literally every aspect of eve you should probably quit
I am using you idiots to make money. Keep sperging. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
baltec1
1076
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:08:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: On the left, fully insurable, zero cost disposable ship. Won't even care to tank it, it's free and disposable anyway.
On the right, more training intensive, 10x times more expensive ship, tanked enough to withstand the average ganker. It'll still die, expecially come
insert here any of Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, Bat Country, racketing
for near of the above ship yield.
Anyone see something wrong? No, eh?
You are stupid to try and mine in hulkageddon/BAT interdiction area?
The hardest mining ship in empire to gank is the veldought and even that docks up in hulkageddon. |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:08:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha you are a joke in literally every aspect of eve you should probably quit I am using you idiots to make money. Keep sperging.
we have been considering you as our designated auditor for some goonswarm ventures, you have the exact sort of ability to ferret out scams we like in our auditors when we are looking for pubbie investments |
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:08:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:baltec1 wrote: And what is so unreasonable about the fit I posted?
Did it bring yeilds to near max yeild covetor levels? If so, then it is a silly fit for a specialized mining ship. It mines slightly better while being ungankable to all but the most dedicated. On the left, fully insurable, zero cost disposable ship. Won't even care to tank it, it's free and disposable anyway. On the right, more training intensive, 10x times more expensive ship, tanked enough to withstand the average ganker. It'll still die, expecially come insert here any of Hulkageddon, ice interdiction, Bat Country, racketing for near of the above ship yield. Anyone see something wrong? No, eh?
Eventually, you come to a fork in the road where theory-craft goes one way and common sense goes another. |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:09:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote: I seem to be able to fit all the guns and 2 Gyro's. Show me your Hulk Fit that lets me fit a MLU II, DCU LL, 3 Strip Miner III's and a Medium Shield Extender LL while leaving the rigs free. I would prefer 2 MLU's like this Armor Cane but I will settle for one.
so you post a ship with a gimped tank and are seemingly unaware you've done so
good work inspector you've done it again |
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baltec1
1076
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:10:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:
So just a bit under the cost of a covetor that can be nearly fully insured. I'll refer to V V's argument, why fly the hulk at all?
Because it won't die? |
Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
38
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:10:00 -
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Roime wrote:Why do people still insist on mining in hisec?
High security space is an area meant for new players to learn the game, and for people to come together to trade. The idea is clear, once you get the hang of the game, you move out of the noobzone and start playing.
If you can fly a T2 fitted Hulk, you should leave the cradle and join or form a corporation. There are no suicide gankers outside hisec, you can mine your heart out in corp/alliance mining operations in environments that you and your friends can control. Now is the the perfect time to leave cesspool behind and get rich.
Free your mind and your Hulk fill follow!
Their reason for staying in high sec is no better than your reason for them leaving it.
They do what they want, you do what you want.
The game mechanics should allow one to make an "ok" profit solo-mining in high sec and have a fighting change to get away from a mild gank.
Assuming the hulk has a little defense, it should not be profitable for a single person to warp in and kill them while in the higher end of high sec.
This is is suppose to be fun for many play styles. Not all play styles should huge money makers, but for some that's ok. |
Alara IonStorm
1970
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:11:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: I seem to be able to fit all the guns and 2 Gyro's. Show me your Hulk Fit that lets me fit a MLU II, DCU LL, 3 Strip Miner III's and a Medium Shield Extender II while leaving the rigs free. I would prefer 2 MLU's like this Armor Cane but I will settle for one.
so you post a ship with a gimped tank and are seemingly unaware you've done so good work inspector you've done it again Standard Armor Brawl Cane.
Still waiting on that fit. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
588
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:
So just a bit under the cost of a covetor that can be nearly fully insured. I'll refer to V V's argument, why fly the hulk at all?
Because it won't die?
LOL, sure it will, and with the more expensive tank, it is likely to drop more, that makes it worth sending in a couple of extra trashers. |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:13:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: I seem to be able to fit all the guns and 2 Gyro's. Show me your Hulk Fit that lets me fit a MLU II, DCU LL, 3 Strip Miner III's and a Medium Shield Extender II while leaving the rigs free. I would prefer 2 MLU's like this Armor Cane but I will settle for one.
so you post a ship with a gimped tank and are seemingly unaware you've done so good work inspector you've done it again Standard Armor Brawl Cane. Still waiting on that fit. yes it would be the standard fit because the tradeoffs are correct, where you have tossed out tank in favor of dps in a highly attractive tradeoff
fitting mlu's is deciding to forgo tank because your wrenched peasant mind really needs that extra penny, so it is designed to prevent you from fitting the two best tank mods a hulk can have at once |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:13:00 -
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i would be puzzled at how someone could be so dumb, but hey: miner |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:15:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:
So just a bit under the cost of a covetor that can be nearly fully insured. I'll refer to V V's argument, why fly the hulk at all?
Because it won't die? LOL, sure it will, and with the more expensive tank, it is likely to drop more, that makes it worth sending in a couple of extra trashers. this is why miners are so hilarious to kill
since you don't understand ship fitting you start fitting inapproporiate deadspace mods
during the first great hulk jihad it was hilarious how many pubbies we convinced to fit a-type shield reps to resist ganks |
Alara IonStorm
1970
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:16:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote: yes it would be the standard fit because the tradeoffs are correct, where you have tossed out tank in favor of dps in a highly attractive tradeoff
fitting mlu's is deciding to forgo tank because your wrenched peasant mind really needs that extra penny, so it is designed to prevent you from fitting the two best tank mods a hulk can have at once
Bolded the right part.
It should be able to fit the equivalent of Mining Damage Mods and Tank without having to Rig and Power Grid Mod the Heck out of it. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
589
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:18:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote: this is why miners are so hilarious to kill
since you don't understand ship fitting you start fitting inapproporiate deadspace mods
during the first great hulk jihad it was hilarious how many pubbies we convinced to fit a-type shield reps to resist ganks
Oh look, the dim wit troll can't help but make generalizations and use personal pronouns, assuming he knows everything about everyone.
Keep proving you're one of the sheep. That's a good boy. |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:20:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote: yes it would be the standard fit because the tradeoffs are correct, where you have tossed out tank in favor of dps in a highly attractive tradeoff
fitting mlu's is deciding to forgo tank because your wrenched peasant mind really needs that extra penny, so it is designed to prevent you from fitting the two best tank mods a hulk can have at once
Bolded the right part. It should be able to fit the equivalent of Mining Damage Mods and Tank without having to Rig and Power Grid Mod the Heck out of it. wrong, moron |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
533
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:21:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha you are a joke in literally every aspect of eve you should probably quit I am using you idiots to make money. Keep sperging. we have been considering you as our designated auditor for some goonswarm ventures, you have the exact sort of ability to ferret out scams we like in our auditors when we are looking for pubbie investments
I am selective, I have loaned money and have done audits to GS people who deserve to. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:21:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote: this is why miners are so hilarious to kill
since you don't understand ship fitting you start fitting inapproporiate deadspace mods
during the first great hulk jihad it was hilarious how many pubbies we convinced to fit a-type shield reps to resist ganks
Oh look, the dim wit troll can't help but make generalizations and use personal pronouns, assuming he knows everything about everyone. Keep proving you're one of the sheep. That's a good boy. its funny you call other people sheep while you're complaining your grazing is insufficently safe from predators
highsec miners are, without exception, dimwitted idiots who deserve the destruction meeted out to them |
Severian Carnifex
164
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:22:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Yea, i am talking about relevant class of ships and weapon type on dessys that are most used. And if you look at changes it really is 25% and 15%. And sorry, its not 33,333% its even more, its 40%.
Yea, by that amount (40%) increase tank of mining ships and we are happy. We are back on what was before 6 months.
And gankers got tier3 BCs too (cheaper gankers BS). |
baltec1
1076
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:22:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:
So just a bit under the cost of a covetor that can be nearly fully insured. I'll refer to V V's argument, why fly the hulk at all?
Because it won't die? LOL, sure it will, and with the more expensive tank, it is likely to drop more, that makes it worth sending in a couple of extra trashers.
You would need a least 20 of them, most likely more. There is a reason why my hulk is 3 years old. |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:23:00 -
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Severian Carnifex wrote:bornaa wrote:Yea, i am talking about relevant class of ships and weapon type on dessys that are most used. And if you look at changes it really is 25% and 15%. And sorry, its not 33,333% its even more, its 40%. Yea, by that amount (40%) increase tank of mining ships and we are happy. We are back on what was 6 months ago.And gankers got tier3 BCs too (cheaper gankers BS). tornados cost more to use now than an artillery apoc did with insurance |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
589
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:24:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:its funny you call other people sheep while you're complaining your grazing is insufficently safe from predators
highsec miners are, without exception, dimwitted idiots who deserve the destruction meeted out to them
I've mined twice in the past year, go assume someplace else, sheep. |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:24:00 -
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i am somewhat dissapointed the tornado is so common now because the highlight of ganking was always the miner with about ten logistics buddies and no tank, one second gloating about how he was immune to the goonies, the next second wondering where his ship went and what that apoc was doing |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
589
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:24:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: You would need a least 20 of them, most likely more. There is a reason why my hulk is 3 years old.
Mine is six, what's your point? |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:25:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:its funny you call other people sheep while you're complaining your grazing is insufficently safe from predators
highsec miners are, without exception, dimwitted idiots who deserve the destruction meeted out to them I've mined twice in the past year, go assume someplace else, sheep. "i graze on delicious green grass only occasionally now that i realized the predators are out to get me, and instead spend my time hiding, this surely proves i am not callow prey who deserves to be slaughtered and devoured" |
baltec1
1076
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Posted - 2012.04.11 17:26:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:baltec1 wrote: You would need a least 20 of them, most likely more. There is a reason why my hulk is 3 years old.
Mine is six, what's your point?
Just punching holes in whatever argument you are trying here. Hulks tank fine its players that are the weak link here. |
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