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Ecatherina W
Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.12.10 08:20:00 -
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Last weekend I participated in an Agony Unleashed Basic class. For those who do not know, the concept is to take untrained players into 0.0 in t1 frigs and shoot whatever targets are available. Normally, the classes are in Pure Blind, but this particular class was in Providence, where the locals seemed especially hapless and clueless.
Somewhere in the neighbourhood of 45+ kills were achieved, in a very successful class of 90+ students. As always, some ... ehm... mentally challenged individual decided to fit a dominix with smartbombs to go out and get some easy kills. This lead to the inevitable and rather unchallenging kill of the dominix pilot.
Now comes the funny part. The owner of said Dominix sent out eve-mails to (all?) the CEOs of the corps involved in the kill.
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2008.12.07 07:22 One or more of your members participated in a Frigate operation lead by Agony Empire in Providence. In this operation many Providence residents lost their ships and pods. One such kill can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/6n555b
Providence follows a Not Red Don't Shoot (NRDS) policy, and as such we consider any hostile act in the region a crime; we understand that the actions of your member(s) might not reflect your corporation, and as such IĈm informing you that your corporation will be set red in 48 hours (Tuesday) unless you:
1) Remove the offending member(s) shown on the attached killmail from your corporation. 2) Send me an evemail informing me of your action 3) Send me 60M as reimbursement for the Domi
If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact myself or FuriousPig, Sev3rance leader.
Thanks.
I counted the number of corps in the killmail. 35 and then some members of NPC corps. So, essentially, this CVA pet alliance is demanding 2.1 bill ransom for making a very unsuccessful attempt at getting easy kills.
Pirates of Eve, you have something to learn from CVA and their pets. This is ransom the easy way.
***** Ecatherina W ***** Empress of the Multiverse
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Armadaus Baldwin
Gallente International House of PWNCakes B.L.A.C.K.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 08:24:00 -
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From my understanding of CVA practices and how they operate the NRDS laws of Providence, he did what he's supposed to do, before starting the process to have the Corporation(s) set to red.
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Ecatherina W
Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.12.10 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Armadaus Baldwin From my understanding of CVA practices and how they operate the NRDS laws of Providence, he did what he's supposed to do, before starting the process to have the Corporation(s) set to red.
That just makes it a CVA ransom practice, not just a Sev3rance ransom practice. Interesting. Roleplaying pays?
***** Ecatherina W ***** Empress of the Multiverse
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Tronjay
Caldari THE INSURGENCY DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.12.10 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Armadaus Baldwin From my understanding of CVA practices and how they operate the NRDS laws of Providence, he did what he's supposed to do, before starting the process to have the Corporation(s) set to red.
Armadaus is right. He followed the rules of Providence set by the Providence Holder alliances. NRDS is difficult to maintain, but doable and ftm unique to 0.0. Btw the pilot only asks for his loss which is 60M nothing more. And....when set red, you wont get 45 kills anymore.
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Ecatherina W
Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.12.10 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ecatherina W on 10/12/2008 09:13:30
Originally by: Tronjay
Armadaus is right. He followed the rules of Providence set by the Providence Holder alliances. NRDS is difficult to maintain, but doable and ftm unique to 0.0. Btw the pilot only asks for his loss which is 60M nothing more. And....when set red, you wont get 45 kills anymore.
If a pilot loses 60 mill from a dominix and is reimbursed 60 mill FROM 35 CORPS - that is 2.1 billion.
Ehm... Agony Unleashed were set red prior to the class, so I think your "you won't get 45 kills after being set red" is already proven invalid and void.
***** Ecatherina W ***** Empress of the Multiverse
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shanda captison
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.10 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tronjay And....when set red, you wont get 45 kills anymore.
I beg to differ. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Privavarian
Gallente Black Fury United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.12.10 09:19:00 -
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OMG OMG OMG! Cva is gnna put u red ur all dooooomed man.. even to my small alliance we're hostile to CVA, and we like it tbh figuring they dont have the balls to wardec us :') ---- This is what CAOD experts call a ragepost. |
End Yourself
Minmatar Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.12.10 09:20:00 -
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NRDS is for bleeding-heart, tree-hugging, do-good-ish, isk-farming idiots. What kind of behaviour did you expect?!?
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Khani Dood
Amarr Ministry of Destruction
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Posted - 2008.12.10 09:20:00 -
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"NRDS" NERDS - I think this says it all
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Necronomicon
Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 09:44:00 -
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So to sum it up, instead of going somewhere where the residents have a policy to fight you, you go to the one place where they welcome strangers with open arms; and sucker punch them. Then chest beat your way to COAD?
Well done indeed....
KIA - If I turn up on your thread, chances are you did somethign to bring me here.
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HeavensAngel
Gallente Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.10 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Privavarian .. even to my small alliance we're hostile to CVA, and we like it tbh figuring they dont have the balls to wardec us :')
why they should waste money on wardeccing a small alliance like yours and why they should even think about wardeccing in 0.0?
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 09:55:00 -
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I can see this ending well...
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Privavarian
Gallente Black Fury United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.12.10 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: HeavensAngel
Originally by: Privavarian .. even to my small alliance we're hostile to CVA, and we like it tbh figuring they dont have the balls to wardec us :')
why they should waste money on wardeccing a small alliance like yours and why they should even think about wardeccing in 0.0?
Because we've been threatned in local numerous times about wardecs and we're still waiting. ---- This is what CAOD experts call a ragepost. |
Eventry Blanding
Minmatar Pipeliner Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Eventry Blanding on 10/12/2008 10:10:40 doh wrong toon
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Adeptus mecanicus
Caldari The Flaming Sideburn's Sons-Of-Anarchy
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Posted - 2008.12.10 10:15:00 -
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*pokes CVA where is our mail? apparently we have been KOS a while but seems the red tape has won Grunt's Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity. |
Manic Mole
Caldari VENOM72 Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 10:19:00 -
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if it works for him he totaly deserves the money.
also IBTL. ---[sig starts here]--- a proud member of Venom72 & Sylph. eveything i say is my personal feeling etc, etc, etc... |
Ecatherina W
Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.12.10 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Necronomicon So to sum it up, instead of going somewhere where the residents have a policy to fight you, you go to the one place where they welcome strangers with open arms; and sucker punch them. Then chest beat your way to COAD?
Well done indeed....
Yes, of course - the 125 kill of CVA that KIA has on their killboard is just unhappy accidents that you have paid reimbursements for, right?
As to your other insinuations - well, the gang was lead by Agony Unleashed, who ARE set red to CVA. Cannot help it if the residents of Providence are too inept to notice that local goes up by 90+ and some of them are red... there is no cure for ignorance.
***** Ecatherina W ***** Empress of the Multiverse
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/12/2008 10:26:36 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/12/2008 10:24:28
Originally by: Ecatherina W
Originally by: Necronomicon So to sum it up, instead of going somewhere where the residents have a policy to fight you, you go to the one place where they welcome strangers with open arms; and sucker punch them. Then chest beat your way to COAD?
Well done indeed....
Yes, of course - the 125 kill of CVA that KIA has on their killboard is just unhappy accidents that you have paid reimbursements for, right?
The last time I checked, KIA were KOS in Providence.
I also suggest that bleating about this on SHC and CAOD rather than trying to resolve things privately with a CVA diplomat is probably not the best way to sort this out.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Privavarian
Gallente Black Fury United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.12.10 10:26:00 -
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Providence is the asscrack of eve anyway:P ---- This is what CAOD experts call a ragepost. |
aeronik
Caldari PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.12.10 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: aeronik on 10/12/2008 11:19:24 Well, I would pay the money. Otherwise they are going to kill ya all!
Btw: If they set 35 corps red, they don't have enough slots for the real enemies. Maybe we will be neutral in some hours and are able do the carebearing part in Providence
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SentryRaven
Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Privavarian Providence is the asscrack of eve anyway:P
This title is already reserved for Syndicate, good Sir. --------
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Spoon Thumb
Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 11:26:00 -
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He's asking for 60mil for his domi, not 60mil from each person on the killmail
The mail goes out to all the CEO's of those involved because we'd be setting corps red, not the individuals who participated.
You can work out amongst yourselves how much each of you contributes to that 60mil, but the total you all have to pay in reinbursement is 60mil
However, each person you killed has the right to ask for reimbursement equivalent to their loss on a case by case basis, with the consequence being that if no action is taken, then all the corps who's members were involved will be set red
... but you already knew all that, you just willfully misinterpreted
_______ People like that don't have friends just temporary common interests.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 11:36:00 -
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You got your Killmails and target practice, that is nice and fine. But your chestbeating is not neccessary.
Nothing wrong with PvP but your attitude is wrong on so many levels. But okay, you passed CAOD initiation, please contact Wesley Baird for advanced lessons in trolling.
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shanda captison
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.10 11:39:00 -
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If some were neutral to him he shouldn't have been trying to pop them all in his disco domi.
You heard it here first guys, Providence friends dont accept you into their space if you're neutral at all.
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Privavarian
Gallente Black Fury United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.12.10 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: SentryRaven
Originally by: Privavarian Providence is the asscrack of eve anyway:P
This title is already reserved for Syndicate, good Sir.
no no no:P Syndicate is the armpit of EVE ^^ ---- This is what CAOD experts call a ragepost. |
Ecatherina W
Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.12.10 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
He's asking for 60mil for his domi, not 60mil from each person on the killmail
The mail goes out to all the CEO's of those involved because we'd be setting corps red, not the individuals who participated.
You can work out amongst yourselves how much each of you contributes to that 60mil, but the total you all have to pay in reinbursement is 60mil
However, each person you killed has the right to ask for reimbursement equivalent to their loss on a case by case basis, with the consequence being that if no action is taken, then all the corps who's members were involved will be set red
... but you already knew all that, you just willfully misinterpreted
How the h-e-double-hockeysticks should I know this? I have not received a similar mail before, the mail does not state that it is just 60 mill shared - and I have not had any diplomatic contact w. CVA or their pets before.
I do not willfully misunderstand - I just share my amusement at the Noobs Random Demands Scams politic.
Just FYI - our alliance have shown hostility to CVA and pet alliances before, so if you haven't adjusted standings accordingly and then your alliance members and pets whine about our hostility... that's just your failure, tbh.
***** Ecatherina W ***** Empress of the Multiverse
DGAF Newbie Guide
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Spoon Thumb
Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: shanda captison If some were neutral to him he shouldn't have been trying to pop them all in his disco domi.
You heard it here first guys, Providence friends dont accept you into their space if you're neutral at all.
If you get involved, you're no longer neutral by defenition
The standings system is just a tool to help people identify who is or isn't neutral
You'll notice that the CEO's of those who were involved are being asked to kick those members involved. Those involved people stop being neutral the instant they open fire.
The owner of the domi in this case is just going through the motions to have those hostiles added to the standings system to help other people identify them. He's being a nice guy, trying to help other friendlies and neutrals
Those involved can equally take their individual cases to a CVA diplomat if they feel they were wrongfully killed or want redemption
_______ People like that don't have friends just temporary common interests.
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Spoon Thumb
Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ecatherina W
Originally by: Spoon Thumb etc
How the h-e-double-hockeysticks should I know this? I have not received a similar mail before, the mail does not state that it is just 60 mill shared - and I have not had any diplomatic contact w. CVA or their pets before.
I do not willfully misunderstand - I just share my amusement at the Noobs Random Demands Scams politic.
Just FYI - our alliance have shown hostility to CVA and pet alliances before, so if you haven't adjusted standings accordingly and then your alliance members and pets whine about our hostility... that's just your failure, tbh.
I thought it was obvious. Obvious like a 90+ man gang entering local
_______ People like that don't have friends just temporary common interests.
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SentryRaven
Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Privavarian
Originally by: SentryRaven
Originally by: Privavarian Providence is the asscrack of eve anyway:P
This title is already reserved for Syndicate, good Sir.
no no no:P Syndicate is the armpit of EVE ^^
Ah sorry, I got my body parts mixed up... --------
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Ecatherina W
Gallente Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ecatherina W on 10/12/2008 12:14:58
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
If you get involved, you're no longer neutral by defenition
You have invented smartbombs that only fire on people who have aggressed you or are set red? If not, then your pilot was aiming to be offensive towards neutrals, as anyone could have been on that gate or going through it when we engaged him.
As far as I can see, any area effect weapon is an automatic breach of NRDS policy. If the domi pilot killed one single pilot who is not on a killmail involving his alliance, then I think the CEO of that corp should demand that he is kicked from corp. Admittedly, he did get one of our pilots Staying out of 6km with 100 or so frigs orbiting is hard, I hear.
Personally, I think the domi pilot is better at scamming than he is at PVP... ***** Ecatherina W ***** Empress of the Multiverse
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