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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Scoop de'Woop
Originally by: Etho Demerzel **snip** Lol, "CCP has it under control". Are you sure you are not a CCP employee? Because to say such a thing after CCP story of having things under control you need to be either utterlly stupid or have yours on the line...**snip**
Oh goodness no! Someone has a different view than you? Git 'im, call 'im a damn CCP employee!
Two wrongs don't make a right and if everyone would chill out we might not have a 46 page (and growing thread) of everyone pointing fingers.
It's all your fault.
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Johli
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Devian 666
Originally by: Scoop de'Woop
Originally by: Etho Demerzel **snip** Lol, "CCP has it under control". Are you sure you are not a CCP employee? Because to say such a thing after CCP story of having things under control you need to be either utterlly stupid or have yours on the line...**snip**
Oh goodness no! Someone has a different view than you? Git 'im, call 'im a damn CCP employee!
Two wrongs don't make a right and if everyone would chill out we might not have a 46 page (and growing thread) of everyone pointing fingers.
It's all your fault.
Is it time to blame Bush yet?
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:15:00 -
[1383]
Edited by: Jinx Barker on 12/12/2008 05:15:57
Originally by: Johli Thank god CCP doesn't listen to players, this thread is filled with crappy ideas. Reset 0.0? Might as well take CCP's income and throw it into a fire. The only people who would be left would be the missionrunners and macrominers. Just stop posting, please. I for one will be monitoring CAOD carefully to see if any alliances asplode from this.
Well, they did mention KIA and we all know Ev0ke was involved, at least some of them. But, it is all speculation when it comes to KIA just some "logs." Ev0ke admitted involvement, and we already knew that from the Kugu's blog as well.
Resetting 0.0 would be nuts, I agree, but I sincerely doubt that majority of Ev0ke leadership was ignorant of the exploiting. This is just damage control, and this is too big to be just "not known" by the main guys in the alliance.
Hence my recommendation, however unpalatable, is to disband alliances and corporations within those alliances. I know, allot of grunts will be let down, but that is the only way to start a recovery. Also, examining any and all stations Ev0ke built over the last couple of years and perhaps nuking those as well, and if they are occupied by a new owners, moving their stuff.
Anyway, basically killing off any alliance or corporation that was involved in it. Assuming that if Alliance heads were involved, then making all CORPORATE members responsible, and closing all the corps and confiscating assets. leaving individual players, perhaps poor, and stranded in 0.0, but without proof of direct involvement unbanned.
I know, it is an evil plan, but it is the only way to punish an alliance is by punishing all of its members where it hurts, their assets.
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Scoop de'Woop
Emino Concepts
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:18:00 -
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Edited by: Scoop de''Woop on 12/12/2008 05:22:11
Originally by: Devian 666 It's all your fault.
My bad, will try to avoid sploitin' next time. With all sincerity though, it will take a bit of time to get this sorted out. I am not a CCP fan-boy in the least bit but I also don't expect them to come up with feasible solution within the first 24 hours. Granted, there is something fishy about reports of petitions on this issue years ago.
Edit: Since someone mentioned it earlier, although I think it got removed, look at what happened when the dip****s in Congress gave the money to the banks... no accountability and now no one knows where the money went. Patience is of utmost importance. |
Tshien Tze
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:23:00 -
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What's done is done. CCP may have come late to understanding this exploit, but they did indeed take action. EVE is a complex game and there is no reasonable way to undue the damage to the markets. The markets will fluctuate wildly for the next month or so, I would imagine and then settle to it's new levels, based on the new amount of materials available. What I am most interested in is how this went unnoticed for so long, and what future actions CCP will take to ensure future exploits (and there sill be some) get noticed on a more timely basis, whether reported or not.
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Sunbird Huy
Wolf Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo I see very few people thanking CCP for fixing this.
ehm? huh? whaaa... With so many people saying they actually pointed this issue out, couldn't it be that some people in Iceland were actually aware of this, and protected their friends in game?
Hopefully, when we see some job openings in CCP offices soon, we will know if something really was done about all this.
Props to CCP(the ones with clean hands) for dealing with this, better ever than never...
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Arlenna Molatov
Caldari The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:25:00 -
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So......what I would like to ask...is where the proof is that this exploit was going on for 4 years? Far as I know, there is none. And I don't consider some internets poster who we know nothing about, a "reliable source".
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Arlenna Molatov
Caldari The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sunbird Huy
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo I see very few people thanking CCP for fixing this.
ehm? huh? whaaa... With so many people saying they actually pointed this issue out, couldn't it be that some people in Iceland were actually aware of this, and protected their friends in game?
Hopefully, when we see some job openings in CCP offices soon, we will know if something really was done about all this.
Props to CCP(the ones with clean hands) for dealing with this, better ever than never...
And who's to say that these people "reportedly" saying they made others aware of this exploit, aren't lieing through their teeth for whatever reason? POinted this issue out to whom? Their friends maybe? Or did they even bother to report it. We don't know. AS to be quite honest, there are so many people here that could be suspects, I wouldn't trust what anyone here says if you gave me a gold brick.
I'll wait for the facts from CCP, since they are the only ones on these forums that actually will have them.
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Delos Korelian
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:30:00 -
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Ev0ke: ...We reported it... nothing happened....
Credit to: Viper S***le.
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Sunbird Huy
Wolf Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:33:00 -
[1390]
Originally by: Baske
Originally by: Mari Katarin
Originally by: Jinx Barker I initially started right after beta, so I guess myself, nor others like me, really deserve any proper customer service, or honesty, from CCP and its employees, because we just idiots, and would pay our subs anyway.
Put yourself in their place. There is no 'winning' here. Whatever they do there will be plenty of unhappy people.
CCP is having to deal with the fallout of no growth this year. A combination of nearly no new features, skyrocketing GTC prices (some of which may be explained by a recent popularity of this exploit), nanonerf and ghost training nerf have resulted in an absolutely flat playerbase this year. Going out with pitchforks and torches may result in a drastic current player count haircut. Not going out with pitchforks and torches may also result in a slight player count haircut and bad press wet blanket on future growth. That's the last thing CCP needs going into an Atari deal and pondering how to pay for the new hardware infrastructure and fishtank.
We old farts demonstrated that we're willing to stay no matter how badly we're treated. We're codependent. They owe us nothing. Giving us nothing has been the right choice before and will continue to be the right choice in the future.
However, as I've posted before -- that is not necessarily the attitude new players are going to come in with. And the future is growth and new players, not us. I'm still hoping CCP will turn over a new leaf and deal with this situation in a way which demonstrates 'zero tolerance' to game breaking cheats.
I am an old fart, and I promise you that I wont stay if this doesn't gets fixed properly. Bans are NOTHING, fixes NOTHING of the impact this have had.
Eve is no longer a "game" untill this is properly fixed. And I mean PROPERLY, doing their outmost to reestablish the game balance.
I would rather play Ludo, at least it's not flawed like this.
What is Ludo?
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sunbird Huy What is Ludo?
I asked that too, what the hell is Ludo? And how much does it cost a month?
Oh, and LOL to the bellow.
Originally by: Delos Korelian Ev0ke: ...We reported it... nothing happened....
Credit to: Viper S***le.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker
I asked that too, what the hell is Ludo? And how much does it cost a month?
Oh, and LOL to the bellow.
Ludo is a table game. =====
"If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron... |
Sunbird Huy
Wolf Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:41:00 -
[1393]
Edited by: Sunbird Huy on 12/12/2008 05:42:26
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Jinx Barker
I asked that too, what the hell is Ludo? And how much does it cost a month?
Oh, and LOL to the bellow.
Ludo is a table game.
Thx...nvm hehehe plus, check the new signature in top of this page:
http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=21941&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=735&sid=ac3baf1ed44434ce73ef067d6c70ef34
mwahahaha...CHAMPIONS
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Mikalya
Amarr Hell's Rejects
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Johli
Originally by: Devian 666
Oh goodness no! Someone has a different view than you? Git 'im, call 'im a damn CCP employee!
Two wrongs don't make a right and if everyone would chill out we might not have a 46 page (and growing thread) of everyone pointing fingers.
It's all your fault.
Is it time to blame Bush yet?
No, blame Gore. He invented the Internet, remember?
As for everything else in this thread:
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F90OEX
F9X
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:07:00 -
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Avaleric
Amarr SC Special Circumstances
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Noriko Rei
You're an angry, inarticulate little man, and I sincerely doubt that you have any viable solution other than to complain about what you feel you're entitled to.
I just have a very low tolerance to stupidity. And I do have quite a good solution, if you had bother to read my posts you would notice it. But I know reading demands too much of you...
I have read all your posts here; mostly you being abusive towards those of different opinion, and quite unprovoked. Tells us all about your mindset and capabilities...
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Stikato
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:45:00 -
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Edited by: Stikato on 12/12/2008 06:45:39 Edited by: Stikato on 12/12/2008 06:45:09 "On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy..."
Ok, I know the universe is collapsing and all, and that Pearl Harbor was nearly 70 yrs ago, but comparing the starbase exploit to an attack which killed over 2,000 American servicemen and women is appalling.
If you find that statement absurd, I would encourage you to read personal accounts of American military personnel that day (particularly the grunts, as the brass was out to lunch that Sunday) and revisit your sentiments.
My suggestion to CCP would be to avoid historical hyperbole for the moment and fix your product.
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7shining7one7
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:47:00 -
[1398]
TRUTH MF'ERS, DO YOU SPEAK IT?
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KeratinBoy
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Stikato Edited by: Stikato on 12/12/2008 06:45:39 Edited by: Stikato on 12/12/2008 06:45:09 "On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy..."
Ok, I know the universe is collapsing and all, and that Pearl Harbor was nearly 70 yrs ago, but comparing the starbase exploit to an attack which killed over 2,000 American servicemen and women is appalling.
If you find that statement absurd, I would encourage you to read personal accounts of American military personnel that day (particularly the grunts, as the brass was out to lunch that Sunday) and revisit your sentiments.
My suggestion to CCP would be to avoid historical hyperbole for the moment and fix your product.
Oh dear. Let's just get this out of the way, shall we?
Me: You're an idiot.
You: Wah wah, how dare you, wah wah my <whatever> died during <whatever>, you disgrace <something> just like all the Goonie <asterisks followed by emotes>
Me: :cripes:
You: What kind of a sick person makes fun of death?
Me: A sensible one you oversensitive wittering twit.
You: RAR More insults and Goonies txtspk !!!!!!!!!
Me: Oh yeah, almost there, don't stop posting, don't ever stop posting unf.
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Mussaschi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mussaschi on 12/12/2008 07:01:45 Hm, I found 4 sources so far confirming that this exploit was in effect at least for more than a year, most say, since the introduction of reactions. The cookbook says that it works with "any" complex reaction, not only ferogel.
The effect of the exploid is, that any crappy moon could produce as much advanced material as a group of the best available moons without any logistics to move material between them required. So each of this pos should have created at least 12 billions in revenue per month.
At least 3 sources stated to have reported the bug years ago.
Having a look at the last years market for advanced materials, there is no moment where the price artifically drops (apart from a 2 month peek), so it is fair to assume that it was in effect for at least the year I could see.
So looking at all this, and having the nice timing for alchemy in mind (and some player comments, that nobody knew what it was good for, since there was no buisness case for it, given the current market prices), I somehow doubt the 7th 2008 petition theory. Sorry if I am wrong.
Does it change anything for me? Nope. I have already accepted that any newer character will never get peer in this game. Old bpo and the incredible long skill training effectivly will keep me appart from older toons forever. So I just stay away, and enjoy what I like.
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El'van
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Stikato
"On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy..."
Ok, I know the universe is collapsing and all, and that Pearl Harbor was nearly 70 yrs ago, but comparing the starbase exploit to an attack which killed over 2,000 American servicemen and women is appalling.
Something tells me that CCPs didn't take Pearl Harbor into account at all, when writing this. IMHO, that is.
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Xaddak
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:02:00 -
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And as a side note to whoever keeps whining that it is about the assassination of some guy in 43 BC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infamy_Speech
I don't think somebody stood up after that and said "Today is a date that will live in infamy!"
Funny thing, but somebody DID make that speech after the Pearl Harbor bombing.
Soooo yeah. Pretty sure it is, in fact, a reference to American history, although WORLD War II could probably be argued to be a global conflict, maybe? Because it was a WORLD war? You know? Involving most of the entire world? Not just the USA?
I don't know if somebody mentioned this yet, I got 25-30 pages into this and gave up.
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Mira O'karr
Minmatar eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Stikato Edited by: Stikato on 12/12/2008 06:45:39 Edited by: Stikato on 12/12/2008 06:45:09 "On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy..."
Ok, I know the universe is collapsing and all, and that Pearl Harbor was nearly 70 yrs ago, but comparing the starbase exploit to an attack which killed over 2,000 American servicemen and women is appalling.
If you find that statement absurd, I would encourage you to read personal accounts of American military personnel that day (particularly the grunts, as the brass was out to lunch that Sunday) and revisit your sentiments.
My suggestion to CCP would be to avoid historical hyperbole for the moment and fix your product.
i hate to break it to you but if you are that sensitive, eve is really not the game for you. now gtfo.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: Katarlia Simov on 12/12/2008 07:14:29
Originally by: Stikato Edited by: Stikato on 12/12/2008 06:45:39 Edited by: Stikato on 12/12/2008 06:45:09 "On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy..."
Ok, I know the universe is collapsing and all, and that Pearl Harbor was nearly 70 yrs ago, but comparing the starbase exploit to an attack which killed over 2,000 American servicemen and women is appalling.
If you find that statement absurd, I would encourage you to read personal accounts of American military personnel that day (particularly the grunts, as the brass was out to lunch that Sunday) and revisit your sentiments.
My suggestion to CCP would be to avoid historical hyperbole for the moment and fix your product.
If there were some kind of award for missing the point, you win it. Fine, CCP used an historical hyperbole. However, it does somehow get the point across. In the same style as when Roosevelt said it, it was to get across 'this is a really massive ****ing crisis' but saying it in a nicer, more memorable way. Sorry if using a historical quote offends you, but man the last thing eve needs is a moral minority who complain about THIS as opposed to the current crop of **** ups.
Enough of that.
Right. What seems to have become clear was that at least one person who ran this scam informed CCP about it immediately. Nothing happened. No bans, no nothing. So he did it more and more and more. Now, no matter if it is 'right' or 'wrong', people did this because there was literally no reason not to once you found it out.
Until something is officially broadcast as an exploit, it is not one. It is not cheating. It is using game mechanics to your advantage, just as anyone else can do. Now much as this may sound kinda harsh, defending whoever is currently being given the evil eye, im not. Im just saying that until the rules are changed to make it illegal to do something, its not cheating. It may be morally dubious, but then again, so is beating the crap out of some newbie who can't defend himself.
To put things simply, you can't expect people to self-censor things that they think may be exploits. If the rules don't say it is, its not.
Edit for clarity -
The banhammer has probably come down so hard becuase this has (apparently) been going on a long time, and as such SOMETHING immediate had to be done. That doesn't mean that everyone will stay banned, just that poses and the people who run them needed to be stopped.
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Billy Merc
Amarr Born-2-Kill Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:20:00 -
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TBH if it was reported to CCP all those years ago....and nothin was done about it...good on those who took advantage of it.
If it wasnt all those who allegedly guilty of it...it woulda been someone else..theres always gunna be someone moulding the system to take advantage of it, and the fact it was "allegedly" brought to CCP's attention....well is **** poor form on their behalf...considering they had it in there powers to "fix" said issue.
so to all those that profited... nice one
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 12/12/2008 07:31:24
Originally by: Avaleric
I have read all your posts here; mostly you being abusive towards those of different opinion, and quite unprovoked. Tells us all about your mindset and capabilities...
You are entitled to have your opinion, no matter how wrong it is. But as soon as you decide to share it in a forum, be prepared to have it repudiated.
If you can't bear having your flawed arguments dissected and ridicularized for their inconsistencies, then just abstain yourself from writing.
Now if you have anything to say about the subject at hand, please share your priceless ideas. I am quite sure they will be amusing. =====
"If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron... |
Rulakye
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:31:00 -
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its a shame it really is, but it is fixed now. I dont know why so many people are becoming hysterical even if it has happened for 4 years. The game is still here, just adapt if it makes a difference and continue. I dont think CCP will let this happen again, or atleast i hope not
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rulakye its a shame it really is, but it is fixed now. I dont know why so many people are becoming hysterical even if it has happened for 4 years. The game is still here, just adapt if it makes a difference and continue. I dont think CCP will let this happen again, or atleast i hope not
Please, for the sake of argument, enlighten us about what do you mean by "fixed". =====
"If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron... |
Shiyama
Zun Yan
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:34:00 -
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What we know so far:
from CCP - exploit found, fixed people banned, more to come.
From the interweb - 4 years of evil, [insert enemy alliance name] has been using this cheat they are teh hax0rz!!!, the sky is falling and really we don't know much yet.
answer - wait. If you are smart then take advantage of the fluctuation in the markets or just go on anyway.
CCP do have a fairly poor history of customer service, but lets at least give them more than 24hours to fix the problem and then do all the research into finding how deep it runs. |
Scoop de'Woop
Emino Concepts
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel You are entitled to have your opinion, no matter how wrong it is. But as soon as you decide to share it in a forum, be prepared to have it repudiated.
If you can't bear having your flawed arguments dissected and ridicularized for their inconsistencies, then just abstain yourself from writing.
Now if you have anything to say about the subject at hand, please share your priceless ideas. I am quite sure they will be amusing.
I would really like to perpetuate this cycle of personal attacks and over-aggressiveness by pointing out that you should learn basic English before you start throwing around big words which you aren't using correctly but that would contradict what I said earlier about thinking rationally and calmly.
Oh boy, now look what you made me do. |
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